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DonnieBrasco
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Originally posted by Dilweed
I don't know what the prices are right now, as these old cards are no longer available. But back then my Asus GeForce 8600 GTS was cheaper then the GT or GTX version. The same was for the 8800 series, but even the GTS one was still too expensive for me back then. But it doesn't matter for this subject right now. Let him answer the questions. As I am curious what CPU he has, amount of RAM in his PC and amount of RAM of his video card. Seeing how secretive he is about it. I guess we know enough. ;-) hehe, there has never been a 8600 GTX it is much easier to remember: - all 8600 cards are low budget and mostly crap - all 8800 are mainstream and some 8800 (ultra's) might be called high-end for there time There is A LOT of difference between 8800 because they used different generation chips (G80 and G90) and gave them almost identical names
Still, there are differences within the 8800 series. 8800 GTX and GTS were released originally, with the older GPU. GTX was the top of the league card, around 500 EUR in my country. The GTS had 2 versions originally, 640 and 320MB (thanks guillermo for the reminder). The 640 version was about 300 EUR, and had the performance of about 60% of the GTX card. The 320 MB version was about 200 EUR, and had the performance of 30-40 % of the GTX, the low RAM really caused problem. Then they introduced the new GPU, and the Ultra and the GT models. The Ultra were a little better (10-20%) then the original GTX, and the GT models were approx between the original GTX and GTS in performance. To even further complicate things and confuse customers, they re-released the GTS model in the 512MB version with the new GPU (they probably felt how crappy the original GTS were), and this time they were about on par with the GT models. Long story short: the 8800 range varies from the Ultra to the 320MB version GTS, but amongst all of them, the 320MB GTS was the absolutely weakest by a huge amount. As I said, I owned one as well, and from about mid-2008 it was performing from OK to poor in most games. DB Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is. |
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DonnieBrasco
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Originally posted by Rallycart
You are partially correct, and partially wrong. The 8800GTS 320MB was cheaper than the 8800GT. The 8800GTS 640MB was more expensive than the 8800GT. THEN, the 8800GTS G92 model came out, which had 512MB of RAM, and was MUCH faster. It was then more expensive than the 8800GT again. Exactly this is how it happened. It was pretty ridiculous at that time.... Anyway, the originally released 8800 GTS 320MB very soon became a shame to these series, its performance would more likely fit in the 8600 range (actually surpassed by a few 8600 cards as well). This is most probably why Nvidia re-release the GTS with the new GPU. DB Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is. |
Originally posted by Wrender
Hey that's what happened to me! And to think I hated it at first. Now I'm lvl 8 and I can see myself right now never playing another MMO. I have not had that MMO feeling that Fallen Earth gives me when I'm playing for a very long time. I've played MMO's since Everquest first came out. And I have played most of the AAA titles since then .
I had a similiar experience. I have been gaming since Ultima. I have tried nearly all AAA titles. When i was in closed beta for FE, I really didnt like it. I just couldnt get into it. I went back to CoX for a bit, then saw that they were doing a 15 day trial of FE. I figured I would give it a shot since my gf had kidnapped my Aion account. I fell in love with it. All the issues I had with it in beta were gone. All it needed was a second chance from me and now this is my game. The gf is happy because now I dont complain about not being able to play Aion. |
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Originally posted by Joker2240 I beg to serously differ. A 8800 GTS is a dumbed down version of the GTX, and is also a lot weaker than the GT version. Moreover, they had a version with 328 MB of RAM instead of 512 as in GT and GTS. I know, since I had the same GPU before my HD4890. That card was OK (not great) well over 2 years ago. FE would eat it for breakfast. Especially if it was the low GPU RAM version. A hint: www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-cards-charts-2009-high-quality/Fallout-3,1509.html You can see how this is the slowest card, and mostly because of the low RAM only. FE is very memory-dependant, as all MMO's are. DB The graphics card is not the problem at all. Please do not give anyone technical advice ever again, as a 8800 GTS is still good for every game out in the market. I think I know my graphic cards better than you can ever understand them. I think it is actually my CPU. I just barely push over the recommended but that should not make a difference as I am above the min. So, really I think it just poor math on their part. BTW their min specs are as followed, Minimum Hardware Requirements CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo 1.8 GHz or Athlon 64X2 2.4 GHz
So compared to the video card and the dedicated RAM I am well above it. Do your homework son! Edit: it should not matter if I have the lower Dedicated RAM which I do not. As the min specs even for the shitter verison of the GTS is still above it. So, they either need to up their min specs or get better at math.
In game company talk, and this is pretty much 90-95% of companys. Min req is what is need to launch the executable without error. Meeting min req does not mean one can play the game. Just means they can launch it without error. Sic semper tyrannis "Democracy broke down, not when the Union |
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5200+ AMD 64 X2 GTX 280 2 gigs ram Windows XP 10,000 rpm WD HD Cable Connection
Game is unplayable with due to lag. And i am above and beyond the RECOMMENDED requirements |
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Originally posted by miagisan
The lag ingame isnt all that bad, and i really havent noticed much save for a few spikes here and there. Whats bad is the game seems to not like certain combinations of hardware. Specifically Nvidia cards and drivers. My rig is pretty close to the specs of a friends rig who also plays FE. on my PC i can play at 1920x1200 everything maxed (sans shadows cause they look like ass and forcing 8xAA and 16xAF through the card itself) and can get over 70fps outside/40+fps in towns such as embry/Post 23 at primetime. Meanwhile on my friends end he gets horrible stuttering/lag and has to run at lower settings. Hes running a GTX280 while im running a GTX260maxcore55 (both by BFG) every other game runs fine for him, just FE doesnt like his setup for some reason. So yeah, its not your PC, its just FE doesnt seem to like your PC for god knows what reason. Hopefully they get this sort of thing sorted out because it is kinda annoying for those who have the issue. |
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DonnieBrasco
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Originally posted by miagisan
First of all, it it really lag, or is it low FPS? The game runs worse on XP than on Vista I heard, and it actually runs best on Win7 (it is sure flawless on mine). You only have 2GB ram which is the bare minimum, so it'd be a good idea to check what other programs are running in the background while you play. I'm guessing you have a stutter (FPS drops), and not a lag, most probably because of HD swapping all the time. DB Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is. |
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I am sorry, but today 2GB of RAM is just not enough. I also have a AMD Dual Core CPU. Have an older graphics card (GeForce9800GTX 512MB). But have 4GB of RAM and run Windows7 Ultimate. The game runs flawlessly for me. I upgraded my PC to 4GB of RAM about 2 years ago, since a lot of games since then easily use more then 1-2GB of RAM these days. Try run AoC, WAR, LOTRO or EQ2 today with just 2GB of RAM. You will have to put the graphics settings all the way to minimum to play these games somewhat lagfree. The moment you push the graphic settings in any of these games, then 2GB of RAM will simply not cut it anymore. That's why I upgraded to 4GB of RAM and shifted to 64bit OS (otherwise you cannot make use of the 4GB). People need to understand, that simply buying an expensive Graphics Card isn't enough to immediately run everything flawlessly and at max settings!! It's the whole package that counts! Meaning also your CPU, amount of RAM, Harddrive and optimised Operating System. Hence, with an Online Game, even your Internet Connection is very important. All those things factor in how well a game will run on your PC. Cheers When www met dot , they then stumbled upon Secret Society , wich happened to be a Guild , wich in turn told dot about the net . |
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really? suddenly 2gbs of ram isnt enough? i can run every other game flawlessly, but FE is so uber i need more? i just finished batman arkham asylum and that wasnt an issue (max graphics) picked up borderlands, maxed out with aa and af, no problem Fallout 3...again no issues with everything maxed oblivion...yup...maxed out with hi texture mods. hell eq2 i can run on high (not extreme), aoc max, eve maxed, i could go on and on....
and if FE requires more than 2gbs of ram for recommended, then the bloody devs are idiots and should have written the right specs. and its lag, cause if i walk into an area, npcs will suddenly warp in front of me, or it takes a few seconds for the loot function to work, or if i kill a wolf of another npc, it will still run around a few seconds with no health and suddenly die. I am playing from NYC area, and my connection is pretty darn fast, this is the ONLY game which lags, and i have tried graphical settings from high to low. |
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Obidom
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Joined: 8/18/06
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I agree, I upgraded my PC last year, in the apst two weeks I upgraded to Windows 7 Professional 64bit Processor (CPU) Memory (RAM) I upgraded just to get Vanguard to run on my PC http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/Norsefire-logo.png |
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Obidom
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Diplomacy - The art of saying ''Nice Doggy'' while you find a big enough stick to hit it |
Originally posted by miagisan
I was going to post a witty rebuttal about the difference between an MMO and a Solo game, but I fear it might have gone slightly over your head http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/Norsefire-logo.png |
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DonnieBrasco
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Originally posted by miagisan First of all, it is important to differentiate between low FPS and lag. People regularly confuse these. Your issue described in the last paragraph pretty much says that it's really actually lag, so it might not be eventually an issue with FPS only. This kind of lag that you describe was an issue for about 2 days since I joined FE, both Sundays, and both were followed by server patching. You might have been unlucky and experienced those maybe? If you still keep having these rubberbanding issues, it must be an ISP problem, since many of us don't have these anymore. I play from Europe, and the only time when i experienced slower than prompt responsiveness from quest givers was when I actually forgot to close my torrent application. Just a hint :D DB Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is. |
Originally posted by miagisan
If you are not trying to set everything to MAX, then yes, you can run FE flawlessly with 2 GB of RAM. Go fire up LOTRO, AOC or EQ2. Set their ingame settings all to MAX and see how those games are holding up for you. As all these three clients use over 1 to 1,5 GB of RAM easily. LOTRO and EQ2 client even pushed the 2GB RAM usage barrier from time to time on my PC. Especially when running at Max Quaility Textures. Add to the fact, that even WindowsXP SP3 eats up almost 1GB of RAM alone already and you already see you getting short on RAM. Single player games you can NEVER EVER compare to MMO's! So get a grip! Recommended specs still doesn't mean you can run everything at MAX! Except WoW with it's craptastic cartoon graphics, no other MMO you can run at full MAX settings with recommended specs on the box. So please. Get a clue. About what Minimum and Recommended specs actually mean! Cheers When www met dot , they then stumbled upon Secret Society , wich happened to be a Guild , wich in turn told dot about the net . |
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Originally posted by miagisan 5200+ AMD 64 X2 GTX 280 2 gigs ram Windows XP 10,000 rpm WD HD Cable Connection
Game is unplayable with due to lag. And i am above and beyond the RECOMMENDED requirements
you have an amd 2.6 and MINIMUM is 2.4, know your computer... you barely reach MINIMUM requirements btw, why such a new graphics card which such an old cpu?
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Originally posted by Dilweed
AMD CPU's have always run on lower clockspeeds then Intel Processors and they make up for it in other parts in the CPU. His CPU is fine. I have pretty much the exact same one. Have an older Graphics Card (9800GTX), have a slower harddrive (7200rpm), but have 4GB of RAM instead of his 2GB, run in Windows7 Ultimate RTM 64bit and have ZERO issues with playing Fallen Earth! I have pretty much maxed everything in the game, except kept the view distance sliders of objects, scrubs and such on the default 80%. Need to say more? I rest my case. When www met dot , they then stumbled upon Secret Society , wich happened to be a Guild , wich in turn told dot about the net . |
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Originally posted by Guillermo197
AMD CPU's have always run on lower clockspeeds then Intel Processors and they make up for it in other parts in the CPU. His CPU is fine. I have pretty much the exact same one. Have an older Graphics Card (9800GTX), have a slower harddrive (7200rpm), but have 4GB of RAM instead of his 2GB, run in Windows7 Ultimate RTM 64bit and have ZERO issues with playing Fallen Earth! I have pretty much maxed everything in the game, except kept the view distance sliders of objects, scrubs and such on the default 80%. Need to say more? I rest my case. actually, I don't really understand why you said/quoted something at all hehe no worries though :) |
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Originally posted by Dilweed actually, I don't really understand why you said/quoted something at all hehe no worries though :)
That is what you added to his post and what I quoted on with the AMD CPU thing. ;) The rest was addressed to him. No worries though :) When www met dot , they then stumbled upon Secret Society , wich happened to be a Guild , wich in turn told dot about the net . |
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Originally posted by Guillermo197 actually, I don't really understand why you said/quoted something at all hehe no worries though :)
That is what you added to his post and what I quoted on with the AMD CPU thing. ;) The rest was addressed to him. No worries though :)
I think I understand you now hehe I think you assumed that I meant his problem with lag/fps was the cpu :) You are right too though, it is prolly the ram What I found curious though is that the system requirments are intel duo 1.8 or amd duo 2.4 which is quite a difference even more if you consider that amd normally runs just as fast with a bit lower mhz. Although I think the newer cpu's are the other way around with performance/mhz. |
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Originally posted by Guillermo197
If you are not trying to set everything to MAX, then yes, you can run FE flawlessly with 2 GB of RAM. Go fire up LOTRO, AOC or EQ2. Set their ingame settings all to MAX and see how those games are holding up for you. As all these three clients use over 1 to 1,5 GB of RAM easily. LOTRO and EQ2 client even pushed the 2GB RAM usage barrier from time to time on my PC. Especially when running at Max Quaility Textures. Add to the fact, that even WindowsXP SP3 eats up almost 1GB of RAM alone already and you already see you getting short on RAM. Single player games you can NEVER EVER compare to MMO's! So get a grip! Recommended specs still doesn't mean you can run everything at MAX! Except WoW with it's craptastic cartoon graphics, no other MMO you can run at full MAX settings with recommended specs on the box. So please. Get a clue. About what Minimum and Recommended specs actually mean! Cheers
ummm.....yeah......
and i run lotro on max, granted i am not using dx10 cause i am using xp, but lotro runs flawlessly on my system. on maxed out everything
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And? only because it runs great for you doesn't mean its the same for everyone else. In majority of cases the problem is on user end and not the MMO itself. Internet makes you Stupid!! |
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Originally posted by Shastra Well, I'm running FE on a pretty mediocre computer on max settings and view distances with no shadows. I have yet to lag, and the only time my fps goes down is in big cities, and even then its barely enough to notice... sounds like a user end issue to me as well. So far FE runs MUCH better than most mmos on my computer. |
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2.3ghz quad core, 8gigs ddr2 ram, gtx260....game runs fine on max setting, with the expected busy town lag, i expect to nerf my setting during any sizeable pvp event regardless of my system. after my experience in Aion with memory leakes every 5min, insane lag and latency problems...both of which ive never experienced as bad in any game ive played...ill take a few mob rubberbands, a sunday afternoon server suicide, and hearing ab out other people get memoryleaks. If i would have never played aion i would be able to still say that i had never had any major technical issues with a game over 4 diffrent rigs over the years...was also my first time ever needing to use customer support. Im very happy with how fallen earth has run and preformed, especially considering this isnt a bigass global game production company running the show here. Ill give these guys some slack, since they gave me the ability to choose a sandbox character growth route. |
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Originally posted by miagisan
Double-up your RAM and you will see a massive improvement in every application. I run the same card with 4 gig RAM and it runs flawlessly for me on max settings. |
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Originally posted by Zinzan
Double-up your RAM and you will see a massive improvement in every application. I run the same card with 4 gig RAM and it runs flawlessly for me on max settings.
i'll look into it for a future upgrade :) |
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Originally posted by CujoSWAoA
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