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Originally posted by Tykero
In what universe?
EDIT: Did a quick search for a link to anywhere that lists the number, however I was not able to. 10-20% of subscribers is usually the concurrent user average. To give an example, EVE has 300k subs and they have an average of about 40k online at once. That puts the concurrent user number at about one-seventh or 14 percent of the total subscriber base. |
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Originally posted by supbro
Id prefer to believe an IGN article over the crap you spew every post. You have no credibility at all. Yep, like IGN also spread the FALSE rumours the game had 3.5 M eastern subscriptions. Yeh, I STILL await the official announcement of NCSoft for that number. After 6 months ... it never came. ANd BTW: Even a 50% drop of Xfire players can't be denied by you. http://www.xfire.com/games/aion/Aion/ Now count in the fact ... Aion is sold on the XFire webiste with ... Xfire installed .... So the 50% LOSS in players is certainly "tuned" upwards ... :))) ---------- And in NO way this game was hyped by its players, it was hyped by FALSE subs numbers and "websites". While NCsoft could hide behind those rumours. No matter what, the Xfire I--- NOW -- game show the game doesn't have the expected 'growth" the "rumours" in the east said it was. Today ... it is even at 55% drop rate vs the opening week.
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Originally posted by Zorndorf Yep, like IGN also spread the FALSE rumours the game had 3.5 M eastern subscriptions. Yeh, I STILL await the official announcement of NCSoft for that number. After 6 months ... it never came. ANd BTW: Even a 50% drop of Xfire players can't be denied by you. http://www.xfire.com/games/aion/Aion/ Now count in the fact ... Aion is sold on the XFire webiste with ... Xfire installed .... So the 50% LOSS in players is certainly "tuned" upwards ... :)))
You said before xfire doesnt mean anything when concerning Aion because it was "oversampled" by gold sellers? but now with the 50% drop it xfire does means something? make up your mind? :)) Aion Gives you Wings!!! |
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Originally posted by supbro Yep, like IGN also spread the FALSE rumours the game had 3.5 M eastern subscriptions. Yeh, I STILL await the official announcement of NCSoft for that number. After 6 months ... it never came. ANd BTW: Even a 50% drop of Xfire players can't be denied by you. http://www.xfire.com/games/aion/Aion/ Now count in the fact ... Aion is sold on the XFire webiste with ... Xfire installed .... So the 50% LOSS in players is certainly "tuned" upwards ... :)))
You said before xfire doesnt mean anything when concerning Aion because it was "oversampled" by gold sellers? but now with the 50% drop it xfire does means something? make up your mind? :))
IN game it has a drop.... it shows HOW the players ... stay or not. The overall rating in the HIT list is meaningless because it has an oversample vsv the other MMO's. Btw today it is even now at 55% down vs the opening week. |
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Originally posted by supbro Yep, like IGN also spread the FALSE rumours the game had 3.5 M eastern subscriptions. Yeh, I STILL await the official announcement of NCSoft for that number. After 6 months ... it never came. ANd BTW: Even a 50% drop of Xfire players can't be denied by you. http://www.xfire.com/games/aion/Aion/ Now count in the fact ... Aion is sold on the XFire webiste with ... Xfire installed .... So the 50% LOSS in players is certainly "tuned" upwards ... :)))
You said before xfire doesnt mean anything when concerning Aion because it was "oversampled" by gold sellers? but now with the 50% drop it xfire does means something? make up your mind? :))
Lol, re read that and think about what you just said. Aion will drop hugely, word of mouth hype before release, now alot of bad publicity afterwards. Alot of people are disliking it after actually trying it. |
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Originally posted by Zorndorf
You said before xfire doesnt mean anything when concerning Aion because it was "oversampled" by gold sellers? but now with the 50% drop it xfire does means something? make up your mind? :))
IN game it has a drop.... it shows HOW the players ... stay or not. The overall rating in the HIT list is meaningless because it has an oversample vsv the other MMO's. Btw today it is even now at 55% down vs the opening week.
No Aion is still ranked 4th most played game on xfire and it release as the 4th most played game. It has still held the same position as the second most played MMO since release. Your hate of this Korean success is rather disturbing, maybe we can make another thread about that? :))) Aion Gives you Wings!!! |
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I am not surprised by the sales. AION was released with tons of polish. And even though I cancelled my sub (the linear gameplay is not for me, and by linear that is my opinion) I can see why others would prefer it. It's sexy, glitzy with lots of eye candy. The classes are pretty well put together for a PVE/PVP game and the PVP is pretty fun. All this isnt enough for me as I am turning more to sandboxy type games, but AION delivers on it's promises for many. Current Games: |
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Originally posted by supbro
You said before xfire doesnt mean anything when concerning Aion because it was "oversampled" by gold sellers? but now with the 50% drop it xfire does means something? make up your mind? :))
IN game it has a drop.... it shows HOW the players ... stay or not. The overall rating in the HIT list is meaningless because it has an oversample vsv the other MMO's. Btw today it is even now at 55% down vs the opening week.
No Aion is still ranked 4th most played game on xfire and it release as the 4th most played game. It has still held the same position as the second most played MMO since release. Your hate of this Korean success is rather disturbing, maybe we can make another thread about that? :))) Simply because it has an oversample. Do you even KNOW what that means? In NO Way this game had 5 times the 300K subscription of EVE on the opening weekend. IT NEVER had those 1.5 million players on 12/12 servers. Even the "rumours" don't say that. So simply of those 14K AIon XFire players in the opening week that represented the 400-500K at launch were NOT represented equally with the othergames... (like EVE, WOW, Lotro). Meaning a LOT of MORE players used Xfire than in any other MMORPG. Meaning that 4th place is worthless because of the NON representative sample. And now ... since 2 weeks NCSoft is selling Aion on the Xfire website (with Xfire of course installed). Even with the ABOVE the game KEEPS losing players IN its own graphs.... Do you know what that means ??? Think ....
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So you are pretty much saying: Daily, xfire is gaining 1000s of people per day and actually having people buy games through them to bolster up games. You do know the amount of people even joining the site has become stagnate and you will only see only so many buying it, correct? You truly make it seem that xfire is a major online distributor like Steam now that they sell games. :/ Most people do not even know about xfire, therefore, they will not trust them with their money over more prominent sites. BOOYAKA! |
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So back on topic. It is AGAIN a rumour with NO official sources, hear say of a Korean journalist. Just like those false and never confirmed Asian 3.5 M subs 6 months ago. Manipulated Xfire stats. I see a clear pattern. And it will be working AGAINST the players in future releases. Believe me. The lying around Aion is a loss/loss for ALL future players.
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AOC and WAR had strong out of the gate numbers as well and by the 6 month mark they were left for dead bleeding all over hte place. |
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It's actually a post in a Korean newspaper, and the link directs to its web section. It's not just merely a lone independent journalist. |
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It was totally clear to me that Aion will also be a great success in the west. Our whole legion is still enjoying the game - we are now after the free month, still the servers are on full during prime time. The group and solo PvP in Aion is simply one of the most fun things to do :) - we love it. So yeah enjoying the game and cant wait to get to the endgame content - from what I heard there is a a lot to do. Oh and people who compare Aion with WoW most proably didnt play it further than maybe 30-35 - and decided already upfront that they will not like it. But to call Aion a grind fest etc. is just ridiculous... if people dont know how to group, or do instances, fight together in one of the many elite regions etc. well I am not surprised they call this game a grinder :) I am pretty sure it will not die like Aoc or War did... simply because Aion has already more content than WoW had in its beginning... - and intead of fixing the game they can already work on even more content.
Currently playing: Aion |
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Whats the buzz about Aion and xfire? Isnt it just another game xfire automatically detects or is there something special about it? |
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Exactly what it does, Shol. However, some people believe the data for aion is being corrupted. Like gold sellers and botters using the thing, and whatnot. BOOYAKA! |
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Not some. Just one. Rather vocal. |
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The number is probably not far from the truth, considering that it had 400k presales. it would make sense that it would do an additional 200-250k once it went live. But like others have said, retention is the key. The key to a game's success is if they are adding more subscriptions then they are losing (I don't think they are). I still say it won't do more then 250k after a few months. A lot of people are just getting burned out on the gameplay. Doesn't even mean the game is bad, it just means the game doesn't have the pull to keep gamers interested at this point in time. |
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Sales and subscriptions are 2 different things. If this was something like Guild Wars with no sub model then I would give them the benefit of the doubt. As someone stated before, its about longevity, War and Aoc sold more and look how they wound up. I know Aion had a better launch compared to those but astill, let us know how successful you are after 4-6 months. |
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Originally posted by LynxJSA
In what universe?
EDIT: Did a quick search for a link to anywhere that lists the number, however I was not able to. 10-20% of subscribers is usually the concurrent user average. To give an example, EVE has 300k subs and they have an average of about 40k online at once. That puts the concurrent user number at about one-seventh or 14 percent of the total subscriber base.
A game that is brand new is going to have a much higher percentage of its player population online at peaks times simply because the game is still fresh. It is similar to when existing games release an expansions and see a spike in player activity. More people will be interested in logging in to play and make it next to impossible to compare it to stats of a game that is in between major content releases. I would expect that nearly every player was logging into aion the first month as much as they possibly could, every day if possible. As time goes on that wave will eventually even out to whatever is the normal average for players to log in per week (I have no idea what that might be). I'm not sure how 150k = 450k subs, but I don't think you can apply the normal 20% population being online to a new release. I suspect it is much higher than that.
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LOL, sounds like the same crap the AoC fanbois spouted 3 months after release. Would never invest any time or money into an NCSoft game, but it makes for an entertaining read with the rediculously polarized love/hate. |
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Originally posted by Tykero
A number of developers have stated they saw 70%+ retention rate for their games. I know Mark Jacobs said that was true about daoc and not just shortly after release. Soe said once that EQ saw 60% retention over years. It was something pretty incredible that they have after the game had been out for several years to retain that high. Since wow/eve have continually grown for years I'm sure they are pretty high also. If Aion was really 50% or lower it would be a very noticable drop in population. Warhammer/Aoc had similar drops after their first month and it was very noticable in game. It sounds like aion is doing much better than that from player experiences in posts.
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Aion servers are full now as they were at launch . So whether some people like it or not this game is doing fine. Link to all the posts u want , Aion is fun and people will stick to it. Why is it so bad for a game to succeed anyways.
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Chew on this haters!! Whether you flame AION or not its still a great game for many. muahahaha :-) "Kings of typos" ^^ EDIT: typo... AKA "Hater of haters" |
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Originally posted by supbro
This means the game was hyped up before launch. The numbers that really matter is the amount of subscribers that resubscribe. I'm one of those 700k they counted and I quit after 3 weeks. Remember that AoC surpassed 700k copies sold, and they still did terrible. |
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Does anyone have an official release from Nsoft themselves rather than an IGN report about a Korean website reporter? It just seems very skewed and we all know how Chinese whispers en up. They were the ones also claiming the 3.5M subs number despite Nsoft not actually mentioning anything about it, so I don't exactly trust them.
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