Originally posted by decoy26517

I find it hilarious that the only response from the Eve fan base is: "OMG YOU DON'T LIKE OUR GAME! ZOMG YOU MUST SUK & B STUPID @ IT, GO BAK TO WOW NOOB!"

You'll probably find a more charitable community in a place like Xbox live or AoC.

Yeah, pretty much.  I think it's funny that when people list specific complaints about the game, those complaints are rarely ever addressed, it's just "you're not smart enough to play my game!"  It reminds me of the libertarians in political debates, they do the same thing.  Everything is perfect and if you don't love it, there's something wrong with you.

Um... no.

I love how he says it takes a year to get a good ship. So you want "end-game" captital ship asap so you can pwnz nubz?

Ginkeq you are 23 from what your bio says. Maybe you should spend the next year leveling your maturity level to catch it up to your age.

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by decoy26517

I find it hilarious that the only response from the Eve fan base is: "OMG YOU DON'T LIKE OUR GAME! ZOMG YOU MUST SUK & B STUPID @ IT, GO BAK TO WOW NOOB!"

You'll probably find a more charitable community in a place like Xbox live or AoC.

 

Yeah, pretty much.  I think it's funny that when people list specific complaints about the game, those complaints are rarely ever addressed, it's just "you're not smart enough to play my game!"  It reminds me of the libertarians in political debates, they do the same thing.  Everything is perfect and if you don't love it, there's something wrong with you.

Um... no.

There are numerous posts in this thread describing to the OP how he took the wrong approach to playing the game and others with people making the call that it is probably just not the game he is looking for. EVE doesn't limit your path in any way. You decide what you are going to do in the EVE universe. If you want a game thats more similar to the modern approach to MMO's (instant gratification, shallow world with very limiting options), then EVE probably won't be that appealing to you.

You can pretend that EVE people have not been constructive in this thread, but it just makes it more obvious that you don't care.

I agree with the OP. Eve is boring and like others have said its one of the most carebear hand holding game out there. Auto learn skills, auto pilot to where you need to go, click enemy and watch your lasers auto shoot. The world is just bland with the same rocks floating where ever you go. Eve is full of zones that you have to do boring auto jumps to. A total waste of $15 a month

Originally posted by kaydinv

You can pretend that EVE people have not been constructive in this thread, but it just makes it more obvious that you don't care.

I know EVE isn't the game for me.  I played it.  I found out first hand that I didn't enjoy it.  In fact, I gave reasons why I dislike EVE.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, whether they love the game or hate the game.  However, a lot of EVE-advocates have started insulting people who don't like the game, saying that if they don't like it, there's something wrong with them.  That's not constructive. It certainly doesn't address the complaints people have made.

I wish I could like EVE, it's one of the few successful science fiction games out there, but it's got far too many drawbacks for me to ever enjoy it.  So I don't play and that doesn't make me a bad person.

Just because EVE is not linear enough for you, that does not mean it's boring to many or sucks in gameplay. If you can't grasp the fundementals of a free form MMO then you don't need to be here. There's plenty of PvE missions, story lines to involve people, some people entering assume that PvP, mission running and mining are the only things to do and have no clue as to going about the other things to do in game.

Those who just down right rage suck on EVE are not even worth my time anymore to explain it. Not that hard to grasp what is EVE and definetly not that hard to learn anything either. Yeah skills take time, but so does leveling. Just because you can't rush through the games content does not mean there is none.

EVE is one of the better MMO's out there that keeps itself exciting to play year after year and so far the only MMO to do so much for it's players, even more than Activision/Blizzard does.

Originally posted by kaydinv

 

There are numerous posts in this thread describing to the OP how he took the wrong approach to playing the game and others with people making the call that it is probably just not the game he is looking for. EVE doesn't limit your path in any way. You decide what you are going to do in the EVE universe. If you want a game thats more similar to the modern approach to MMO's (instant gratification, shallow world with very limiting options), then EVE probably won't be that appealing to you.

You can pretend that EVE people have not been constructive in this thread, but it just makes it more obvious that you don't care.

...and there are those of us that like both kinds of games, if they're done well. 

I enjoyed Eve alot when I played it.  Some things I liked alot, some things I didn't.  Now I play LotRO, where you can't spit on the ground without hitting 3 quests.

Fun is where you find it.  I don't need a game to work a certain way or appeal to a certain gaming ideology in order to enjoy it.  It just has to work right, be immersive, and help me escape the real world for a little while.

Originally posted by kaydinv

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by decoy26517

I find it hilarious that the only response from the Eve fan base is: "OMG YOU DON'T LIKE OUR GAME! ZOMG YOU MUST SUK & B STUPID @ IT, GO BAK TO WOW NOOB!"

You'll probably find a more charitable community in a place like Xbox live or AoC.

 Yeah, pretty much.  I think it's funny that when people list specific complaints about the game, those complaints are rarely ever addressed, it's just "you're not smart enough to play my game!"  It reminds me of the libertarians in political debates, they do the same thing.  Everything is perfect and if you don't love it, there's something wrong with you.

Um... no.

 There are numerous posts in this thread describing to the OP how he took the wrong approach to playing the game and others with people making the call that it is probably just not the game he is looking for. EVE doesn't limit your path in any way. You decide what you are going to do in the EVE universe. If you want a game thats more similar to the modern approach to MMO's (instant gratification, shallow world with very limiting options), then EVE probably won't be that appealing to you.

You can pretend that EVE people have not been constructive in this thread, but it just makes it more obvious that you don't care.

"Took the wrong approach" being codeword for "Yes, the game is not a very good game because it's a simulation"?

While the OP's post has a few things which can be attributed to poor tutorials (not teaching you how to manually pilot Jumps, which is basically 20-50% faster than autopilot) many of his points are absolutely correct.

And decoy and cephus are absolutely correct that the standard EVE player response of "Oh you just don't get it" is infantile and idiotic. (It's not all of them; there's a few people posting here that whether or not they agree with the OP's complaints, they at least see his point.)

My complaints on the game share a few similarities.  I don't care for the skill system much, but I could ignore that if there were fun things to do.  There just aren't fun activities to participate in in EVE.

Originally posted by Torik

There is way too much personal drama, backstabbing and personal powerplays which I find just plain dumb.  It's too much like watching a bad soap opera.

1)  Do you really think it's much different in the real world when it comes to corporate & business politics?

2)  As in the real world, it gets a lot mroe involved than just petty drama.  If you even bothered to look deep enough, you would know, but obviously you never got that far.

3)  Name me one other MMO where Ponzi schemes, Banks, IPOs, ventures & companies get started with in game investors like in EvE.

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Originally posted by DevilXaphan
Just because EVE is not linear enough for you, that does not mean it's boring to many or sucks in gameplay. If you can't grasp the fundamentals of a free form MMO then you don't need to be here. There's plenty of PvE missions, story lines to involve people, some people entering assume that PvP, mission running and mining are the only things to do and have no clue as to going about the other things to do in game.

Those who just down right rage suck on EVE are not even worth my time anymore to explain it. Not that hard to grasp what is EVE and definitely not that hard to learn anything either. Yeah skills take time, but so does leveling. Just because you can't rush through the games content does not mean there is none.

EVE is one of the better MMO's out there that keeps itself exciting to play year after year and so far the only MMO to do so much for it's players, even more than Activision/Blizzard does.

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That's a common Eve fan-boy straw man argument Devil and you know it. No one mentioned anything about not enjoying a nonlinear environment or sandbox game-play. I actually really enjoy sandbox games, but I don't enjoy Eve for completely different reasons. No one has mentioned the learning difficulty of Eve, I think that it's not that difficult to learn. It's just BORING.

Plenty of the SAME PvE missions... they just change the place of them but they're the same 20 or so mission rehashed over and over again.

People in Eve assume that there's more to do then missions, mining and PvP... But the truth is that there isn't.

Eve is one of the better MMOs out there? How the hell do you get that? Again, NONE of the Eve fan-boys here have disputed any of the mechanics mentioned that make it a horrible game. Slow combat, bad artistic design, empty boring space, rewarding people for doing nothing, etc.. etc.. etc..

Also, fixed some of your spelling errors... Obviously your superior Eve mind overlooked them. lol

There are corporations made up of thousands of people... Corporations with -military fleets-.  Does anyone really expect a situation like that (even in real life) to go down without trickery, espionage, and backstabbing?

Originally posted by decoy2651

 

 

That's a common Eve fan-boy straw man argument Devil and you know it. No one mentioned anything about not enjoying a nonlinear environment or sandbox game-play. I actually really enjoy sandbox games, but I don't enjoy Eve for completely different reasons. No one has mentioned the learning difficulty of Eve, I think that it's not that difficult to learn. It's just BORING.

Plenty of the SAME PvE missions... they just change the place of them but they're the same 20 or so mission rehashed over and over again.

People in Eve assume that there's more to do then missions, mining and PvP... But the truth is that there isn't.

Eve is one of the better MMOs out there? How the hell do you get that? Again, NONE of the Eve fan-boys here have disputed any of the mechanics mentioned that make it a horrible game. Slow combat, bad artistic design, empty boring space, rewarding people for doing nothing, etc.. etc.. etc..

Also, fixed some of your spelling errors... Obviously your superior Eve mind overlooked them. lol

 

Wow two spelling errors..wow.

Just because you find it boring does not mean it is.

The PvE missions are not the same, combat, courier, mining, trade, R&D, epic arc, COSMOS. you going to call those the same type..wow.

Have you really explored all possibilities than just the main professions?

How is combat slow? EVE is very detailed artistically designed and It's space things are space apart and to even get any type of reward you have to actually do something.

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by decoy26517

I find it hilarious that the only response from the Eve fan base is: "OMG YOU DON'T LIKE OUR GAME! ZOMG YOU MUST SUK & B STUPID @ IT, GO BAK TO WOW NOOB!"

You'll probably find a more charitable community in a place like Xbox live or AoC.

 

Yeah, pretty much.  I think it's funny that when people list specific complaints about the game, those complaints are rarely ever addressed, it's just "you're not smart enough to play my game!" 

You're showing an obvious lack of intelligence & comprehension, just like the OP.  His complaints are silly & trollish.  They clearly show that he does not get the game.

If you say that you do not like EvE because the pace is slow, or you dislike space MMOs or you require hack'n'slash avatar based MMOs, then I would say that those are respectable reasons not to like the game.  But to claim that there is nothing to do in EvE, or that the skill learning system sucks or that combat is stupid only exposes your own double digit IQ.

The fact is that most of the EvE-haters do not get it and their ADD can't keep with EvE's pace.  So they make stupid posts such as this and go back to playing WoW.

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Grinding is a part of MMORPGs

You have -got- to be kidding me.

The most logical response to this thread I can come up with

Yeah I think themeparks w/ quest and endgames are silly, but I have never in my life had the desire to go on an EMO rant about it or go to one of there forums and act like douche bag.

Originally posted by Axehilt

Originally posted by kaydinv

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by decoy26517

I find it hilarious that the only response from the Eve fan base is: "OMG YOU DON'T LIKE OUR GAME! ZOMG YOU MUST SUK & B STUPID @ IT, GO BAK TO WOW NOOB!"

You'll probably find a more charitable community in a place like Xbox live or AoC.

 Yeah, pretty much.  I think it's funny that when people list specific complaints about the game, those complaints are rarely ever addressed, it's just "you're not smart enough to play my game!"  It reminds me of the libertarians in political debates, they do the same thing.  Everything is perfect and if you don't love it, there's something wrong with you.

Um... no.

 There are numerous posts in this thread describing to the OP how he took the wrong approach to playing the game and others with people making the call that it is probably just not the game he is looking for. EVE doesn't limit your path in any way. You decide what you are going to do in the EVE universe. If you want a game thats more similar to the modern approach to MMO's (instant gratification, shallow world with very limiting options), then EVE probably won't be that appealing to you.

You can pretend that EVE people have not been constructive in this thread, but it just makes it more obvious that you don't care.

 

"Took the wrong approach" being codeword for "Yes, the game is not a very good game because it's a simulation"?

No, took the wrong approach as in, expected the game to be something that it is not, rather than realizing what the game was about and going from there. On a somewhat related note: That's the problem with a lot of casual gamers. They don't want to figure out how a game works and then play it for the challenge, they just want to be handed success and rewards from the very beginning without learning how to manipulate the rules within the game at all.

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by kaydinv

You can pretend that EVE people have not been constructive in this thread, but it just makes it more obvious that you don't care.

I know EVE isn't the game for me.  I played it.  I found out first hand that I didn't enjoy it.  In fact, I gave reasons why I dislike EVE.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, whether they love the game or hate the game.  However, a lot of EVE-advocates have started insulting people who don't like the game, saying that if they don't like it, there's something wrong with them.  That's not constructive. It certainly doesn't address the complaints people have made.

I wish I could like EVE, it's one of the few successful science fiction games out there, but it's got far too many drawbacks for me to ever enjoy it.  So I don't play and that doesn't make me a bad person.

Your reply would have some merit if you didn't completely destroy all of it when you agreed with a post that stated "the only response from the Eve fan base is: "OMG YOU DON'T LIKE OUR GAME! ZOMG YOU MUST SUK & B STUPID @ IT, GO BAK TO WOW NOOB!" or if you somehow defined "a lot" and then proved that "a lot" of people were being insulting in response to the OP.

If you took the time, you would probably come to the realization that you're only getting upset because you want to interpret other people's posts in a negative way. The replies for eve in this thread have been more constructive than the posts against it, such as the post that you quoted and agreed with earlier.

Although, I will admit not all posts for either have been completely constructive.
 

I thought the " skill queue " system was great.  I don't like the game, but it is an ingenus way of creating a pseudo skill cap.  I think everything with the game was definitely designed with purpose in mind.   Probably the only thing I hate about it is that I have to spend 2 hrs exploring to find the asteroids I need to complete a damn mission. 

This thread is a perfect example of the hypocritcal and zealot-like nature of the Eve playerbase.  WOW gets bashed day in day out and people call its players childish.  1 thread criticizes Eve and the zealots come out of the woodwork with the all too common response to ANYTHING negative about the game...."You're just not smart enough..."  How immature is that?

Really, most people are just not smart enough to realize the game is not intutive at all, slow, repetitive, which basically makes it a very boring game?   I've been modeling and animating for over 16 years which makes me pretty familiar with non-intutive interfaces and convoluted ways to accomplish tasks, but Eve takes the cake.  Like someone mentioned earlier in the thread, its a game made by programmers for programmers.  Its all so mechanical and hollow.  FUN certainly was NOT on CCP's mind when they designed the game.  Thats the major difference between it any most games.  Most developers look at each piece of the game and ask themselves, "Is this FUN?"  I can't imagine anyone at CCP ever asked themselves that question=)

Does Eve suck?  Obviously not.  Its just a very odd duck that found its niche.  CCP has always been pretty lucky it never had any direct competition. 

Originally posted by Hydroblunt

Originally posted by Cephus404 

Yeah, pretty much.  I think it's funny that when people list specific complaints about the game, those complaints are rarely ever addressed, it's just "you're not smart enough to play my game!" 

 

You're showing an obvious lack of intelligence & comprehension, just like the OP.  His complaints are silly & trollish.  They clearly show that he does not get the game.

And in fact, you just did the exact same thing I pointed out that EvE evangelists do.  Someone criticizes the game and you immediately attack their intelligence.

You're just proving what a load of asshats inhabit the EvE universe.

 Sounds like you did the same thing I did, which is sign up for a free trial and say "What the fuck is this?" However, I thought the game was fresh, although not for me. Every game has a different skill system and having my skills train when I'm offline is kind of nice, if all I do is logon for 5 minutes and queue skills for the next week and log off, well, then I'm wasting my money and not affecting the game world at all. As for the autopilot transportation system, well, every game has a n auto-pilot or fast-travel option, its just a mechanic of the world. The EVE fans are pretty die hard and the game seems to be doing well, so, chalk it up to "not your kind of thing" and hald back on the vitriol. Flaming EVE fans is like Flaming Apple fans, all it does is make you troll bait.

 I think it's hard to complain at CCP since they offer EvE Online as a trial now. I do think, though, that some players might get sucked into it for months even if it is not there their game, have a frustrating time, spend a bunch of bucks on subs and end up quitting in frustration based on niche hype from within the game's community. I think due to its age and many patches some of what is present in the game right now is  very obsolete, surely a true statement as the developers are going to try to revitalise EvE Online content in their next expansion:

"However due to its decaying age, it wasn't keeping on par with modern standards anymore, especially with their so-called "security", so I sadly had to get away from it before they would start taxing me extra for driving a car that was morally painted as a hearse. You know who I am referring to."

Quote is from CCP. To the new player the EvE Online universe might be quite daunting with many pitfalls and mistakes they can make, finding the inner game niche and an uber corp quite a tricky task. That written OP is a flame, so I can understand the negativity they have received too.

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by Hydroblunt

Originally posted by Cephus404 

Yeah, pretty much.  I think it's funny that when people list specific complaints about the game, those complaints are rarely ever addressed, it's just "you're not smart enough to play my game!" 

 

You're showing an obvious lack of intelligence & comprehension, just like the OP.  His complaints are silly & trollish.  They clearly show that he does not get the game.

And in fact, you just did the exact same thing I pointed out that EvE evangelists do.  Someone criticizes the game and you immediately attack their intelligence.

You're just proving what a load of asshats inhabit the EvE universe.

Asshat reporting!

I play EvE, a lot, and I think that saying the OP does not "get" EvE is fair comment. Apart from some pretty glaring factual inaccuracies, it's revealed by the very nature of his complaints. His conception of what a "proper" MMO should be is pretty much the polar opposite of what EvE is. He evidently thinks that the core of an MMO is character advancement. As he correctly notes, character advancement is a non-issue in EvE. By his standards, playing EvE is pointless since there's little you can do to advance your character, and the game does most of it for you. On the other hand he barely mentions the other players, whereas any successful and avid EvE player will tell you that the very essence of the game is player interaction.

(But of course it is nonsense to say that EvE is not an MMO. It is trivially obvious that it is a Massively Multiplayer Online game.)

It's just that it's not in a format that he recognises. His worldview is too narrow.

Imagine someone who had only ever known of one game in his life, and that game was American football. For him, the word "game" is synonomous with kicking a ball, with both sides having an equal number of players on the pitch, with all players able to access any part of the pitch (albeit with restrictions on permitted movement), with significant body contact, with a rectangular pitch that has goals at the opposing narrow ends, with a playtime of around an hour.

Now if that person one day encountered rugby football, he might be intrigued by the differences, but it would certainly be an activity he would recognise as a game. All of its basic concepts would be essentially familiar. He might even be excited to discover that there is a whole world of these games - not just American football, but Rugby League, Rugby Union, Gaelic Football, Australian Rules football. To him, these would all be different, but they would all be games.

Then, one day, someone takes him to watch a cricket match. (Or Baseball. Or Golf)

You see where I'm going with this? There would be almost nothing he would recognise as a game. Sure, there's two teams, even a ball, but... what the hell? How can 2 vs 11 be fair? What's the point in having such a huge pitch when the goals are so close together? How can a game possibly last all day - no-one can run around for that long? Why does that guy get to use a bat and that guy doesn't? Where's the touchline?

So much for analogies. There are a number of criticisms of EvE that the OP could have made. In fact many of the people who play the game are much more critical than he is. But they're criticising the implementation of the game because they basically like it and want to make it better; he's criticising it for not matching his preconceptions and he wants it to be something it's not, never was and, please God, never will be. He's tried to play EvE as if it were WoW-in-space, and of course he's had no fun at all. EvE is perfectly dreadful at providing the kind of experience that WoW dishes out, and I dont think that any EvE player would deny that for a moment, even the most fanatical fanboy.

But the reason we play it is because we dont want the kind of experience that WoW dishes out.

In short, if I posted that "LoTRO sucks because there's no FFA PVP and you can't get full loot, and my account got banned because I tricked someone fair and square and scammed him out of his magic sword, and oh god I wish all these RP dudes would stfu about this Tollkeen dude or whatever his name is, who cares about all these stupid NPC storylines, I just want to PvP and claim some resources and maybe build a fortune trading on the market with my other account" then you'd be perfectly within your rights to tell me that I didn't get LoTRO, and that I should gb2EvE. You wouldn't be an "asshat" for doing so, you'd just be speaking the plain truth.

tired, plx delete

Originally posted by Malcanis

Imagine someone who had only ever known of one game in his life, and that game was American football. For him, the word "game" is synonomous with kicking a ball, with both sides having an equal number of players on the pitch, with all players able to access any part of the pitch (albeit with restrictions on permitted movement), with significant body contact, with a rectangular pitch that has goals at the opposing narrow ends, with a playtime of around an hour.

Now if that person one day encountered rugby football, he might be intrigued by the differences, but it would certainly be an activity he would recognise as a game. All of its basic concepts would be essentially familiar. He might even be excited to discover that there is a whole world of these games - not just American football, but Rugby League, Rugby Union, Gaelic Football, Australian Rules football. To him, these would all be different, but they would all be games.

Then, one day, someone takes him to watch a cricket match. (Or Baseball. Or Golf)

Great analogy.  The key difference being that a cricket, baseball, or golf fan will quickly relate to the person discrete ways the game is fun.  Whereas with EVE, all we get are these analogies and "you just don't get it", which frustrates the issue considerably.

"In short, if I posted that "LoTRO sucks because there's no FFA PVP and you can't get full loot, and my account got banned because I tricked someone fair and square and scammed him out of his magic sword, and oh god I wish all these RP dudes would stfu about this Tollkeen dude or whatever his name is, who cares about all these stupid NPC storylines, I just want to PvP and claim some resources and maybe build a fortune trading on the market with my other account" then you'd be perfectly within your rights to tell me that I didn't get LoTRO, and that I should gb2EvE. You wouldn't be an "asshat" for doing so, you'd just be speaking the plain truth."

The difference being that nobody "doesn't get it" with LOTR.  Whether it's your preferred game type or not, everyone at least sees how the game can be fun.  Not so with EVE.