Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by smokemonsc

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Completely Agree.

 

With little restrictions nothing will stop the big guys from getting even larger.  Government power will be reduced drastically, but it will shift right over to the massive corporations.  You think you a large democratic government is bad?  Imagine what a massive private corporation can do when it doesn't have to put anyone up for election.

 

Microsoft partners with apple, who then has enough money to buy all the manufacturers, who then have enough to buy/create sotware companies, etc. 

 

Libertarianism encourages competition, but only until the ones involve realize then can just team up and make even more money.

 

I still think you have a misunderstanding of how a free market works.

"With little restrictions nothing will stop the big guys from getting even larger."

This is 99% false.  Only in natural monopolies would monopolies exist and even then they could price themselves out of the market by charging too much.  Sure there are advantages to being the monopoly but it comes with disadvantages too.  I have listed numerous examples of them including the inability to adapt to changing market forces yet you have not countered any of my points.  You have not given any economy backing to your statements yet my points stem from sound economic theory that is shared by all 3 major schools of thought, Friedman, Keynes, and Mises.

Microsoft and Apple will never partner.  it is not in their best interests to do so.  They don't have enough money to buy all of the manufacturers either.  Your scenario has never happened nor will it, unless Government helps it along with unnecessary intervention that is...

We already see what large government sponsored monopolies give us.  Haliburtons, war, famine, shortages.

"Libertarianism encourages competition" - You're right, and you should've ended your sentance there :)

 

Keep on smokin' 'em brother Smoke. Remember they are only repeating what their socialist schools have taught them. We have to undo a lot of damage through propaganda and lies.

You have to undo "socialist" damage by using propaganda and lying?  Well at least you're finally admitting it.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by smokemonsc

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Completely Agree.

 

With little restrictions nothing will stop the big guys from getting even larger.  Government power will be reduced drastically, but it will shift right over to the massive corporations.  You think you a large democratic government is bad?  Imagine what a massive private corporation can do when it doesn't have to put anyone up for election.

 

Microsoft partners with apple, who then has enough money to buy all the manufacturers, who then have enough to buy/create sotware companies, etc. 

 

Libertarianism encourages competition, but only until the ones involve realize then can just team up and make even more money.

 

I still think you have a misunderstanding of how a free market works.

"With little restrictions nothing will stop the big guys from getting even larger."

This is 99% false.  Only in natural monopolies would monopolies exist and even then they could price themselves out of the market by charging too much.  Sure there are advantages to being the monopoly but it comes with disadvantages too.  I have listed numerous examples of them including the inability to adapt to changing market forces yet you have not countered any of my points.  You have not given any economy backing to your statements yet my points stem from sound economic theory that is shared by all 3 major schools of thought, Friedman, Keynes, and Mises.

Microsoft and Apple will never partner.  it is not in their best interests to do so.  They don't have enough money to buy all of the manufacturers either.  Your scenario has never happened nor will it, unless Government helps it along with unnecessary intervention that is...

We already see what large government sponsored monopolies give us.  Haliburtons, war, famine, shortages.

"Libertarianism encourages competition" - You're right, and you should've ended your sentance there :)

 

Keep on smokin' 'em brother Smoke. Remember they are only repeating what their socialist schools have taught them. We have to undo a lot of damage through propaganda and lies.

 

You have to undo "socialist" damage by using propaganda and lying?  Well at least you're finally admitting it.

Nope, just some bad writing on my part. Sorry. We have to undo the damage done BY socialist schools -- damage that has been done through the propaganda and lies you learned in those socialist schools.

We must undo that damage with truth.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

 Libertarians love telling you how things should be done but give them any power and you'll see the many flaws in their logic.

They're critics, and the worst kind too, since they rarely offer alternatives to problems.

It's like having your doctor tell you that your heart is failing so it needs to be removed.  When you ask what kind of heart the doctor will replace it with, the doctor just blinks at you, and tells you again how bad of a condition your heart is in.

Actually it is more like your doctor telling you that a parasite  is killing you, and that it will have to be removed. Then you ask him what will he replace it with, and the doctor just blinks at you, unable to answer.

Libertarians just want to remove the parasites from the systems of society.

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Sabiancym

 Libertarians love telling you how things should be done but give them any power and you'll see the many flaws in their logic.

 

They're critics, and the worst kind too, since they rarely offer alternatives to problems.

It's like having your doctor tell you that your heart is failing so it needs to be removed.  When you ask what kind of heart the doctor will replace it with, the doctor just blinks at you, and tells you again how bad of a condition your heart is in.

That is why I don't like the party it is full of people who just like to complain and talk in slogans yet offer no actual ideas of their own, other than government is bad and shouldn't be involved in blank.  They will talk about how the healthcare plans are bad, road to socialism and tyranny etc. but outside of platitudes they never talk about what they would like to do instead.  Of if someone does have an idea it is usually very stupid like abolishing the Fed or something of the like.

Originally posted by kiddyno071

Originally posted by deviliscious

You are so far off base. Libertarians constrains power not distributes it.  It removes the ability for those with money to rule over those without it by making everyone play by the same rules. I cannot even believe you just said that after looking at what both the Republican and Democratic parties have shown us in this regards. Both of those parties are brought to us by those that are wealthy  using their influence to create laws in their favor.  Under Libertarianism they would not be able to have such control, because those special rules put into place by both Demcrats and Republicans would be removed.
 

Libertarians believe in controlling the government powers whereas the other parties have allowed for the wealthy to use that to their advantage for years, it was exactly that influence that allowed things to become the way they are, a further separation of the classes. This would have to be reversed and the damage undone before true Libertarianism could be implmented. It was NOt the Libertarians that gave these huge financial giants their power, it was the two current ruling parties that caused this mess.

Walmart will lose their power when  the playing field is leveled so that local businesses would be allowed to compete. With our current admisitration, Walmart will even be exempt from the healthcare reform....

Big firms may be exempt from health reform

Which parties are backed by finacial giants? which parties have the funding of the wealthy to impose their will? I think you have it backwards... They do not want Libertarians in office because Libertarians would cut them off cold turkey and reverse all of the policies in their favor. The two ruling parties are ruling in favor of those that paid to bring them to us. Who is " paying " Libertarians to cut them off?

 

Nope, I have to disagree.  You talk from a purely ideological viewpoint which does not stand the test of reality.  Corruption would still be there the venue would just change.  Your post reminds me about another issue I have with liberatarians, the "rose colored glasses affect", where everything will just be so much better and that everything will just fix itself.  Wealth has corrupted government?  Isn't the mantra of many a libertarian "mine".  How would you propose that a Libertarian controls the government powers?  Who are the ones that decides how these powers are to be defined and controled?  How is the playing field leveled with Wal-Mart and the mom and pops under liberatrianism?   

I do not speak from " purely an ideological viewpoint". It does stand the test of reality if the proper safeties are put into place.
 

You can make it uncorruptable by removing the funding, put laws in place to restrict government power, and  remove what money can buy, not expand it. This is the true reason Libertarians are not " welcomed in the whitehouse". It is because the current parties to not want to relinquish that power and neither does  big business.

There are no " rose colored glasses' . The grim reality is they have made a huge mess that will have to be fixed before we can get anything done properly. There is alot that needs to be undone, and a gradual tranistion that needs to take place before things can be " fixed'.  Nothing will fix itself at all, it has to be fixed before we can enjoy the benefits from doing so.

The mantra of libertarianism is not "mine" . It is that people can make their own decisions on how to live their life, spend their money, what to do with their person and their property  as long as it is not infringing upon others rights to do so. Not have someone esle telling them what they should do, how to live their life, and how to spend their money.  The Libertarians  I knoware some of the most generous people I know, they give all of themselves and expect little in retrun, claiming they are a product of the " me" geberation is simply false.

I would propose we put the failsafes back in and clarify the laws so there will NEVER be a misunderstanding again as to the proper role of government. I don;t think you understand it is the government that should have limited powers, not the private citizen. The private citizen should have more rights than the government does power. Who decides? Common law decides. A Republic is ruled by law, not by a person. They have thrown those laws out and the failsafes in order to create the monster we have now, we would just return those failsafes and clarify the law to make our lawmakers better understand their job is a steward of the law not the creators of it.

Walmart was created because of  polices they created in their favor, those policies must be reveresed, and before  we can truly restore the playting field, we would have to fix some of the things that have been done in the process. I did not say it would be pretty, we would have to take down walmart in a thousand bites, and  possibly even order restitution , or a selloff of the shares, because there were " victims" as a result of these polices. It WOULD be messy for a bit, but afterwards the playing field would be restored.

The key to the restoration is a gradual shift, first we would have to help our small businesses regain their footing, and after that we would be able to level it completely. Have assistance programs that allowed small businesses to network to decrease their overhead to compete head on with the giants until they take them down. Many of these things can be put into place without the need of law to intervene, but  there are many laws that need to be reversed first.  The laws making it more difficult to open businesses must be reversed, applying a tax to all moneys leaving this country and removing taxes on monies being spent in this country would help soften the blow along the way. It would encourage more local investment in communities and American labor and deter foreign inverstors from hooking their syphons up and sucking our communities dry.  What we need are more American Entrepeneurs and inventors to get it back where it should be, so for the transitional period we would have to shift policy in their favor before actually being able to correct it entirely.

Originally posted by CactusmanX

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Sabiancym

 Libertarians love telling you how things should be done but give them any power and you'll see the many flaws in their logic.

 

They're critics, and the worst kind too, since they rarely offer alternatives to problems.

It's like having your doctor tell you that your heart is failing so it needs to be removed.  When you ask what kind of heart the doctor will replace it with, the doctor just blinks at you, and tells you again how bad of a condition your heart is in.

 

That is why I don't like the party it is full of people who just like to complain and talk in slogans yet offer no actual ideas of their own, other than government is bad and shouldn't be involved in blank.  They will talk about how the healthcare plans are bad, road to socialism and tyranny etc. but outside of platitudes they never talk about what they would like to do instead.  Of if someone does have an idea it is usually very stupid like abolishing the Fed or something of the like.

 

http://www.lp.org/platform

Umm its pritty well spelled out... Prohaps the reason you think we dont offer a Diffrent oppinion is because we DONT WANT MORE GOVERNMENT.... Nahh cant be that.

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by CactusmanX

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Sabiancym

 Libertarians love telling you how things should be done but give them any power and you'll see the many flaws in their logic.

 

They're critics, and the worst kind too, since they rarely offer alternatives to problems.

It's like having your doctor tell you that your heart is failing so it needs to be removed.  When you ask what kind of heart the doctor will replace it with, the doctor just blinks at you, and tells you again how bad of a condition your heart is in.

 

That is why I don't like the party it is full of people who just like to complain and talk in slogans yet offer no actual ideas of their own, other than government is bad and shouldn't be involved in blank.  They will talk about how the healthcare plans are bad, road to socialism and tyranny etc. but outside of platitudes they never talk about what they would like to do instead.  Of if someone does have an idea it is usually very stupid like abolishing the Fed or something of the like.

 

 

http://www.lp.org/platform

Umm its pritty well spelled out... Prohaps the reason you think we dont offer a Diffrent oppinion is because we DONT WANT MORE GOVERNMENT.... Nahh cant be that.

I am talking about the people that join it, yeah the party has ideas but the members mostly just like to complain rather than do anything.
 

Not just libertarians though, all parties are like that mostly populated with people that just set around and whine.

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by CactusmanX

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Sabiancym

 Libertarians love telling you how things should be done but give them any power and you'll see the many flaws in their logic.

 

They're critics, and the worst kind too, since they rarely offer alternatives to problems.

It's like having your doctor tell you that your heart is failing so it needs to be removed.  When you ask what kind of heart the doctor will replace it with, the doctor just blinks at you, and tells you again how bad of a condition your heart is in.

 

That is why I don't like the party it is full of people who just like to complain and talk in slogans yet offer no actual ideas of their own, other than government is bad and shouldn't be involved in blank.  They will talk about how the healthcare plans are bad, road to socialism and tyranny etc. but outside of platitudes they never talk about what they would like to do instead.  Of if someone does have an idea it is usually very stupid like abolishing the Fed or something of the like.

 

 

http://www.lp.org/platform

Umm its pritty well spelled out... Prohaps the reason you think we dont offer a Diffrent oppinion is because we DONT WANT MORE GOVERNMENT.... Nahh cant be that.

Plus the Cato institute and other libertarian-minded think tanks and public policy groups have produced hundreds of position papers on different ways to get from here to there.

It is silly how they expect every libertarian to be an expert on social and public policy, when they do not hold themselves to this standard. They ask us questions, we provide them with websites, books and articles which they do not read. Then they lie and say we do not offer solutions.

Again most of what we do is counteract the lies of the opposition -- they are very good at lying since they have been at it for so long.

Originally posted by CactusmanX

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by CactusmanX

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Sabiancym

 Libertarians love telling you how things should be done but give them any power and you'll see the many flaws in their logic.

 

They're critics, and the worst kind too, since they rarely offer alternatives to problems.

It's like having your doctor tell you that your heart is failing so it needs to be removed.  When you ask what kind of heart the doctor will replace it with, the doctor just blinks at you, and tells you again how bad of a condition your heart is in.

 

That is why I don't like the party it is full of people who just like to complain and talk in slogans yet offer no actual ideas of their own, other than government is bad and shouldn't be involved in blank.  They will talk about how the healthcare plans are bad, road to socialism and tyranny etc. but outside of platitudes they never talk about what they would like to do instead.  Of if someone does have an idea it is usually very stupid like abolishing the Fed or something of the like.

 

 

http://www.lp.org/platform

Umm its pritty well spelled out... Prohaps the reason you think we dont offer a Diffrent oppinion is because we DONT WANT MORE GOVERNMENT.... Nahh cant be that.

I am talking about the people that join it, yeah the party has ideas but the members mostly just like to complain rather than do anything.
 

Not just libertarians though, all parties are like that mostly populated with people that just set around and whine.

Okay so what are YOU doing to advance a more libertarian society? I see you sitting around and whining about people sitting around and whining.

The first stage in social change is sitting around and whining. Done. The next stage is organization and spreading the message, generating papers, theories and debates. Done.  The next stage would be running and endorsing candidates. Done. All those things are happening at all levels now. personally I've been involved with all of the above.

That's a bit more than sitting around and whining.

This is a nascent movement. It took socialism like one hundred years to take over the US, and it's still a struggling movement. It started with what? People sitting around and whining.

Originally posted by Fishermage

 Okay so what are YOU doing to advance a more libertarian society? I see you sitting around and whining about people sitting around and whining.

The first stage in social change is sitting around and whining. Done. The next stage is organization and spreading the message, generating papers, theories and debates. Done.  The next stage would be running and endorsing candidates. Done. All those things are happening at all levels now. personally I've been involved with all of the above.

That's a bit more than sitting around and whining.

This is a nascent movement. It took socialism like one hundred years to take over the US, and it's still a struggling movement. It started with what? People sitting around and whining.

Nothing but I don't pretend that anything can be done, also I don't join organizations to try and promote an ideology that will never take off, I just poke fun at people who do.

Because if and this is a big if libertarian ideas were ever advanced they most certainly would end up very different from where they started.  And organizations corrupt ideas, the libertarian party just happens to agree with me, depending of which one you talk to anyway, they don't represent me and I don't want to tie myself to any group.

Originally posted by CactusmanX

Originally posted by Fishermage

 Okay so what are YOU doing to advance a more libertarian society? I see you sitting around and whining about people sitting around and whining.

The first stage in social change is sitting around and whining. Done. The next stage is organization and spreading the message, generating papers, theories and debates. Done.  The next stage would be running and endorsing candidates. Done. All those things are happening at all levels now. personally I've been involved with all of the above.

That's a bit more than sitting around and whining.

This is a nascent movement. It took socialism like one hundred years to take over the US, and it's still a struggling movement. It started with what? People sitting around and whining.

Nothing but I don't pretend that anything can be done, also I don't join organizations to try and promote an ideology that will never take off, I just poke fun at people who do.

Because if and this is a big if libertarian ideas were ever advanced they most certainly would end up very different from where they started.  And organizations corrupt ideas, the libertarian party just happens to agree with me, depending of which one you talk to anyway, they don't represent me and I don't want to tie myself to any group.

okay so, in the spirit of MMORPG.com, you are siimply whining about whining. Understood :)

Originally posted by CactusmanX

Originally posted by Fishermage

 Okay so what are YOU doing to advance a more libertarian society? I see you sitting around and whining about people sitting around and whining.

The first stage in social change is sitting around and whining. Done. The next stage is organization and spreading the message, generating papers, theories and debates. Done.  The next stage would be running and endorsing candidates. Done. All those things are happening at all levels now. personally I've been involved with all of the above.

That's a bit more than sitting around and whining.

This is a nascent movement. It took socialism like one hundred years to take over the US, and it's still a struggling movement. It started with what? People sitting around and whining.

Nothing but I don't pretend that anything can be done, also I don't join organizations to try and promote an ideology that will never take off, I just poke fun at people who do.

Because if and this is a big if libertarian ideas were ever advanced they most certainly would end up very different from where they started.  And organizations corrupt ideas, the libertarian party just happens to agree with me, depending of which one you talk to anyway, they don't represent me and I don't want to tie myself to any group.

I can understand how you feel. I happen to be one of those that actually does go out and tries to make a difference hands on. I was a representative for the Libertarian party, actively trying to make changes, but I too became disheartened when it seemed I wasn;t going to be able to do much that way. I then changed course and took on postitions in my own community where I felt I could actually make a difference. I guess that is where it starts though, with people making a difference where they live, making their communities a better place to live and helping those around them the best they can. We get these people in all of the communities doing these things and put them together and we might actually be able to get something " big" done, but it is a rough road ahead to seeing that happen. I do not lose hope though, just keep doing the best I can , and hoping that one day  our combined efforts will pay off.
 

I completely agree though that we shou;d never give " loyalties to a group" but to what we believe to be right and true regardless of what the " herd" believes. I do not agree with everything on the offical platform, and openly speak against some of their agendas. I am a strong believer that people must speak their minds , and stand up for what they believe in ,otherwise no problems will ever be solved.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Actually it is more like your doctor telling you that a parasite  is killing you, and that it will have to be removed. Then you ask him what will he replace it with, and the doctor just blinks at you, unable to answer.

Libertarians just want to remove the parasites from the systems of society.

In that case, you'd ask the doctor what needs to be done to remove the parasites and he tells you to vote libertarian because, what have the republicans or democrats done to remove them?  They must be pro parasite right?  And then he tells you that he's the best choice to make for a doctor without telling you how to actually remove the parasites.

Let's see, self aggrandizing and pretension - yep it's all there.

Nice one dude, but if you're going to quote Hitler at least give him credit.

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Actually it is more like your doctor telling you that a parasite  is killing you, and that it will have to be removed. Then you ask him what will he replace it with, and the doctor just blinks at you, unable to answer.

Libertarians just want to remove the parasites from the systems of society.

 

In that case, you'd ask the doctor what needs to be done to remove the parasites and he tells you to vote libertarian because, what have the republicans or democrats done to remove them?  They must be pro parasite right?  And then he tells you that he's the best choice to make for a doctor without telling you how to actually remove the parasites.

Let's see, self aggrandizing and pretension - yep it's all there.

Nice one dude, but if you're going to quote Hitler at least give him credit.

I wasn't quoting Hitler. But then, you're the racist here, so I bet you know him better than I do.

I merely consider oppressive government parasitic in nature. Nothing Hitlerian in that at all. The rest of what you said simply shows that what I wrote is above your racist, Hitlerian mindset. Since we both know where your mind resides, no surprise there.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Actually it is more like your doctor telling you that a parasite  is killing you, and that it will have to be removed. Then you ask him what will he replace it with, and the doctor just blinks at you, unable to answer.

Libertarians just want to remove the parasites from the systems of society.

In that case, you'd ask the doctor what needs to be done to remove the parasites and he tells you to vote libertarian because, what have the republicans or democrats done to remove them?  They must be pro parasite right?  And then he tells you that he's the best choice to make for a doctor without telling you how to actually remove the parasites.

Let's see, self aggrandizing and pretension - yep it's all there.

Nice one dude, but if you're going to quote Hitler at least give him credit.

I wasn't quoting Hitler. But then, you're the racist here, so I bet you know him better than I do.

I merely consider oppressive government parasitic in nature. Nothing Hitlerian in that at all. The rest of what you said simply shows that what I wrote is above your racist, Hitlerian mindset. Since we both know where your mind resides, no surprise there.

Racist?  How so?  I inadvertently called your wife your helper monkey and you pulled out the race card.  How is indirectly calling your wife your helper monkey a slander against Aboriginal Americans?  You're the one that made that connection Adolf.

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Actually it is more like your doctor telling you that a parasite  is killing you, and that it will have to be removed. Then you ask him what will he replace it with, and the doctor just blinks at you, unable to answer.

Libertarians just want to remove the parasites from the systems of society.

In that case, you'd ask the doctor what needs to be done to remove the parasites and he tells you to vote libertarian because, what have the republicans or democrats done to remove them?  They must be pro parasite right?  And then he tells you that he's the best choice to make for a doctor without telling you how to actually remove the parasites.

Let's see, self aggrandizing and pretension - yep it's all there.

Nice one dude, but if you're going to quote Hitler at least give him credit.

I wasn't quoting Hitler. But then, you're the racist here, so I bet you know him better than I do.

I merely consider oppressive government parasitic in nature. Nothing Hitlerian in that at all. The rest of what you said simply shows that what I wrote is above your racist, Hitlerian mindset. Since we both know where your mind resides, no surprise there.

Racist?  How so?  I inadvertently called your wife your helper monkey and you pulled out the race card.  How is indirectly calling your wife your helper monkey a slander against Aboriginal Americans?  You're the one that made that connection Adolf.

You intentionally called a person of another race a monkey, and I called you on it. You are a racist plain and simple.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Actually it is more like your doctor telling you that a parasite  is killing you, and that it will have to be removed. Then you ask him what will he replace it with, and the doctor just blinks at you, unable to answer.

Libertarians just want to remove the parasites from the systems of society.

In that case, you'd ask the doctor what needs to be done to remove the parasites and he tells you to vote libertarian because, what have the republicans or democrats done to remove them?  They must be pro parasite right?  And then he tells you that he's the best choice to make for a doctor without telling you how to actually remove the parasites.

Let's see, self aggrandizing and pretension - yep it's all there.

Nice one dude, but if you're going to quote Hitler at least give him credit.

I wasn't quoting Hitler. But then, you're the racist here, so I bet you know him better than I do.

I merely consider oppressive government parasitic in nature. Nothing Hitlerian in that at all. The rest of what you said simply shows that what I wrote is above your racist, Hitlerian mindset. Since we both know where your mind resides, no surprise there.

Racist?  How so?  I inadvertently called your wife your helper monkey and you pulled out the race card.  How is indirectly calling your wife your helper monkey a slander against Aboriginal Americans?  You're the one that made that connection Adolf.

 

You intentionally called a person of another race a monkey, and I called you on it. You are a racist plain and simple.

A person of another race?  ROFLMAO 

Didn't you wonder why I didn't fall back on the customary response of "I'm not racist, I have plenty of _______ friends?"

I should think that you're feeling really stupid right now with all of your assumptions, but since you have a legacy of stupidity on this forum, this one will just be another drop in the ocean, won't it?

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Actually it is more like your doctor telling you that a parasite  is killing you, and that it will have to be removed. Then you ask him what will he replace it with, and the doctor just blinks at you, unable to answer.

Libertarians just want to remove the parasites from the systems of society.

In that case, you'd ask the doctor what needs to be done to remove the parasites and he tells you to vote libertarian because, what have the republicans or democrats done to remove them?  They must be pro parasite right?  And then he tells you that he's the best choice to make for a doctor without telling you how to actually remove the parasites.

Let's see, self aggrandizing and pretension - yep it's all there.

Nice one dude, but if you're going to quote Hitler at least give him credit.

I wasn't quoting Hitler. But then, you're the racist here, so I bet you know him better than I do.

I merely consider oppressive government parasitic in nature. Nothing Hitlerian in that at all. The rest of what you said simply shows that what I wrote is above your racist, Hitlerian mindset. Since we both know where your mind resides, no surprise there.

Racist?  How so?  I inadvertently called your wife your helper monkey and you pulled out the race card.  How is indirectly calling your wife your helper monkey a slander against Aboriginal Americans?  You're the one that made that connection Adolf.

 

You intentionally called a person of another race a monkey, and I called you on it. You are a racist plain and simple.

 

A person of another race?  ROFLMAO 

Didn't you wonder why I didn't fall back on the customary response of "I'm not racist, I have plenty of _______ friends?"

I should think that you're feeling really stupid right now with all of your assumptions, but since you have a legacy of stupidity on this forum, this one will just be another drop in the ocean, won't it?

You have a legacy of racism and fascism, so this statement of yours is just another drop in the ocean.

You also have a legacy of lying, so anything you say or imply  is suspect.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Actually it is more like your doctor telling you that a parasite  is killing you, and that it will have to be removed. Then you ask him what will he replace it with, and the doctor just blinks at you, unable to answer.

Libertarians just want to remove the parasites from the systems of society.

In that case, you'd ask the doctor what needs to be done to remove the parasites and he tells you to vote libertarian because, what have the republicans or democrats done to remove them?  They must be pro parasite right?  And then he tells you that he's the best choice to make for a doctor without telling you how to actually remove the parasites.

Let's see, self aggrandizing and pretension - yep it's all there.

Nice one dude, but if you're going to quote Hitler at least give him credit.

I wasn't quoting Hitler. But then, you're the racist here, so I bet you know him better than I do.

I merely consider oppressive government parasitic in nature. Nothing Hitlerian in that at all. The rest of what you said simply shows that what I wrote is above your racist, Hitlerian mindset. Since we both know where your mind resides, no surprise there.

Racist?  How so?  I inadvertently called your wife your helper monkey and you pulled out the race card.  How is indirectly calling your wife your helper monkey a slander against Aboriginal Americans?  You're the one that made that connection Adolf.

 

You intentionally called a person of another race a monkey, and I called you on it. You are a racist plain and simple.

 

A person of another race?  ROFLMAO 

Didn't you wonder why I didn't fall back on the customary response of "I'm not racist, I have plenty of _______ friends?"

I should think that you're feeling really stupid right now with all of your assumptions, but since you have a legacy of stupidity on this forum, this one will just be another drop in the ocean, won't it?

 

You have a legacy of racism and fascism, so this statement of yours is just another drop in the ocean.

You also have a legacy of lying, so anything you say or imply  is suspect.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3158617#3158617

"Race is not a choice. Race is not an idealogy. The race of a person has no real bearing on what that person thinks or what their capabilities are. You can not discuss the colour out of someone's skin. No debate you have to offer will alter their race in any real way.  You might be able to make a legitimate arguement based around aesthetics, but I don't feel you'll get very far with it since each race has its own jewels to be admired by each and every other race."

Is that an example of my "racism"?  Is this the legacy you're referring to?

Or is this thread just another example of your deceptive nature?

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Actually it is more like your doctor telling you that a parasite  is killing you, and that it will have to be removed. Then you ask him what will he replace it with, and the doctor just blinks at you, unable to answer.

Libertarians just want to remove the parasites from the systems of society.

In that case, you'd ask the doctor what needs to be done to remove the parasites and he tells you to vote libertarian because, what have the republicans or democrats done to remove them?  They must be pro parasite right?  And then he tells you that he's the best choice to make for a doctor without telling you how to actually remove the parasites.

Let's see, self aggrandizing and pretension - yep it's all there.

Nice one dude, but if you're going to quote Hitler at least give him credit.

I wasn't quoting Hitler. But then, you're the racist here, so I bet you know him better than I do.

I merely consider oppressive government parasitic in nature. Nothing Hitlerian in that at all. The rest of what you said simply shows that what I wrote is above your racist, Hitlerian mindset. Since we both know where your mind resides, no surprise there.

Racist?  How so?  I inadvertently called your wife your helper monkey and you pulled out the race card.  How is indirectly calling your wife your helper monkey a slander against Aboriginal Americans?  You're the one that made that connection Adolf.

 

You intentionally called a person of another race a monkey, and I called you on it. You are a racist plain and simple.

 

A person of another race?  ROFLMAO 

Didn't you wonder why I didn't fall back on the customary response of "I'm not racist, I have plenty of _______ friends?"

I should think that you're feeling really stupid right now with all of your assumptions, but since you have a legacy of stupidity on this forum, this one will just be another drop in the ocean, won't it?

 

You have a legacy of racism and fascism, so this statement of yours is just another drop in the ocean.

You also have a legacy of lying, so anything you say or imply  is suspect.

 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3158617#3158617

"Race is not a choice. Race is not an idealogy. The race of a person has no real bearing on what that person thinks or what their capabilities are. You can not discuss the colour out of someone's skin. No debate you have to offer will alter their race in any real way.  You might be able to make a legitimate arguement based around aesthetics, but I don't feel you'll get very far with it since each race has its own jewels to be admired by each and every other race."

Is that an example of my "racism"?  Is this the legacy you're referring to?

Or is this thread just another example of your deceptive nature?

No, that is an example of you trying to hide your racism. After all being a racist won't make you popular. However you were caught being a racist, and a liar.

Anyone can say anything. However, YOU revealed what you are, and that's that. However as I said you are a known, proven, nailed to the wall liar, so everything you say is suspect.

Nobody likes being called a liar, especially Homer Simpson.

"I don't mind being called a liar when I am lying, when I am about to lie or just finished lying... but not when I am telling the truth." -Homer

Originally posted by renstimpy99

Nobody likes being called a liar, especially Homer Simpson.

"I don't mind being called a liar when I am lying, when I am about to lie or just finished lying... but not when I am telling the truth." -Homer

Another great reason to tell the truth. Unfortunately, Wickersham has not learned this lesson in life.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Actually it is more like your doctor telling you that a parasite  is killing you, and that it will have to be removed. Then you ask him what will he replace it with, and the doctor just blinks at you, unable to answer.

Libertarians just want to remove the parasites from the systems of society.

In that case, you'd ask the doctor what needs to be done to remove the parasites and he tells you to vote libertarian because, what have the republicans or democrats done to remove them?  They must be pro parasite right?  And then he tells you that he's the best choice to make for a doctor without telling you how to actually remove the parasites.

Let's see, self aggrandizing and pretension - yep it's all there.

Nice one dude, but if you're going to quote Hitler at least give him credit.

I wasn't quoting Hitler. But then, you're the racist here, so I bet you know him better than I do.

I merely consider oppressive government parasitic in nature. Nothing Hitlerian in that at all. The rest of what you said simply shows that what I wrote is above your racist, Hitlerian mindset. Since we both know where your mind resides, no surprise there.

Racist?  How so?  I inadvertently called your wife your helper monkey and you pulled out the race card.  How is indirectly calling your wife your helper monkey a slander against Aboriginal Americans?  You're the one that made that connection Adolf.

 

You intentionally called a person of another race a monkey, and I called you on it. You are a racist plain and simple.

 

A person of another race?  ROFLMAO 

Didn't you wonder why I didn't fall back on the customary response of "I'm not racist, I have plenty of _______ friends?"

I should think that you're feeling really stupid right now with all of your assumptions, but since you have a legacy of stupidity on this forum, this one will just be another drop in the ocean, won't it?

 

You have a legacy of racism and fascism, so this statement of yours is just another drop in the ocean.

You also have a legacy of lying, so anything you say or imply  is suspect.

 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3158617#3158617

"Race is not a choice. Race is not an idealogy. The race of a person has no real bearing on what that person thinks or what their capabilities are. You can not discuss the colour out of someone's skin. No debate you have to offer will alter their race in any real way.  You might be able to make a legitimate arguement based around aesthetics, but I don't feel you'll get very far with it since each race has its own jewels to be admired by each and every other race."

Is that an example of my "racism"?  Is this the legacy you're referring to?

Or is this thread just another example of your deceptive nature?

 

No, that is an example of you trying to hide your racism. After all being a racist won't make you popular. However you were caught being a racist, and a liar.

Anyone can say anything. However, YOU revealed what you are, and that's that. However as I said you are a known, proven, nailed to the wall liar, so everything you say is suspect.

That makes no sense at all.  It's gibberish, pure gibberish.  Hiding my racism to make me popular?  I'm a socialist on a conservative forum where socialist is equal to satanism.

Known, proven, liar?  How about you prove it then?  Calling me a lair doesn't make me one.  That's not proof.  That's just name calling...  Idiot!

Edit:  See, calling you an idiot doesn't make you one - what you said above makes you an idiot.

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Wickersham

Originally posted by Fishermage

Actually it is more like your doctor telling you that a parasite  is killing you, and that it will have to be removed. Then you ask him what will he replace it with, and the doctor just blinks at you, unable to answer.

Libertarians just want to remove the parasites from the systems of society.

In that case, you'd ask the doctor what needs to be done to remove the parasites and he tells you to vote libertarian because, what have the republicans or democrats done to remove them?  They must be pro parasite right?  And then he tells you that he's the best choice to make for a doctor without telling you how to actually remove the parasites.

Let's see, self aggrandizing and pretension - yep it's all there.

Nice one dude, but if you're going to quote Hitler at least give him credit.

I wasn't quoting Hitler. But then, you're the racist here, so I bet you know him better than I do.

I merely consider oppressive government parasitic in nature. Nothing Hitlerian in that at all. The rest of what you said simply shows that what I wrote is above your racist, Hitlerian mindset. Since we both know where your mind resides, no surprise there.

Racist?  How so?  I inadvertently called your wife your helper monkey and you pulled out the race card.  How is indirectly calling your wife your helper monkey a slander against Aboriginal Americans?  You're the one that made that connection Adolf.

 

You intentionally called a person of another race a monkey, and I called you on it. You are a racist plain and simple.

 

A person of another race?  ROFLMAO 

Didn't you wonder why I didn't fall back on the customary response of "I'm not racist, I have plenty of _______ friends?"

I should think that you're feeling really stupid right now with all of your assumptions, but since you have a legacy of stupidity on this forum, this one will just be another drop in the ocean, won't it?

 

You have a legacy of racism and fascism, so this statement of yours is just another drop in the ocean.

You also have a legacy of lying, so anything you say or imply  is suspect.

 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3158617#3158617

"Race is not a choice. Race is not an idealogy. The race of a person has no real bearing on what that person thinks or what their capabilities are. You can not discuss the colour out of someone's skin. No debate you have to offer will alter their race in any real way.  You might be able to make a legitimate arguement based around aesthetics, but I don't feel you'll get very far with it since each race has its own jewels to be admired by each and every other race."

Is that an example of my "racism"?  Is this the legacy you're referring to?

Or is this thread just another example of your deceptive nature?

 

No, that is an example of you trying to hide your racism. After all being a racist won't make you popular. However you were caught being a racist, and a liar.

Anyone can say anything. However, YOU revealed what you are, and that's that. However as I said you are a known, proven, nailed to the wall liar, so everything you say is suspect.

 

That makes no sense at all.  It's gibberish, pure gibberish.  Hiding my racism to make me popular?  I'm a socialist on a conservative forum where socialist is equal to satanism.

Known, proven, liar?  How about you prove it then?  Calling me a lair doesn't make me one.  That's not proof.  That's just name calling...  Idiot!

Edit:  See, calling you an idiot doesn't make you one - what you said above makes you an idiot.

I proved you a liar in another thread, then you proved yourself a racist. In this thread you have merely proven yourself a liar who tries to hide the past and a revisionist, which ties in quite nicely with your racism.