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gnomexxx

Advanced Member

Joined: 2/26/06
Posts: 2779

"Every generation needs a new revolution." - Thomas Jefferson

 
11/02/09 6:48:02 PM#1

This was disgraceful and un-American before, and it is now.  But I wonder if there will be an outcry against this like there was when Bush was in office?  My guess is it won't even make the news.

Obama's latest use of "secrecy" to shield presidential lawbreaking

What was once depicted as a grave act of lawlessness -- Bush's NSA program -- is now deemed a vital state secret.
By Glenn Greenwald

The Obama administration has, yet again, asserted the broadest and most radical version of the "state secrets" privilege -- which previously caused so much controversy and turmoil among loyal Democrats (when used by Bush/Cheney) -- to attempt to block courts from ruling on the legality of the government's domestic surveillance activities. Obama did so again this past Friday -- just six weeks after the DOJ announced voluntary new internal guidelines which, it insisted, would prevent abuses of the state secrets privilege. Instead -- as predicted -- the DOJ continues to embrace the very same "state secrets" theories of the Bush administration -- which Democrats generally and Barack Obama specifically once vehemently condemned -- and is doing so in order literally to shield the President from judicial review or accountability when he is accused of breaking the law.

The case of Shubert v. Bush is one of several litigations challenging the legality of the NSA program, of which the Electronic Frontier Foundation is lead coordinating counsel. The Shubert plaintiffs are numerous American citizens suing individual Bush officials, alleging that the Bush administration instituted a massive "dragnet" surveillance program whereby "the NSA intercepted (and continues to intercept) millions of phone calls and emails of ordinary Americans, with no connection to Al Qaeda, terrorism, or any foreign government" and that "the program monitors millions of calls and emails . . . entirely in the United States . . . without a warrant" (page 4). The lawsuit's central allegation is that the officials responsible for this program violated the Fourth Amendment and FISA and can be held accountable under the law for those illegal actions.
 

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Fishermage

Elite Member

Joined: 11/23/05
Posts: 6985

"I find your lack of faith disturbing."

11/02/09 7:08:19 PM#2

bad under Bush, bad under Obama.

Once again, Obama is making Bush look good. Amazing what he has accomplished in that regard. And people said it couldn't get worse that Bush. Well, it's worse.

Teala

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Joined: 6/16/04
Posts: 4190

"Really officer, they're herbs."

11/02/09 7:09:38 PM#3

Did anyone truly think that things would change in Washington with the election of Obama?   LOL!   As if.

Scubie67

Elite Member

Joined: 2/11/09
Posts: 455

11/02/09 7:26:42 PM#4
Originally posted by Teala

Did anyone truly think that things would change in Washington with the election of Obama?   LOL!   As if.


 

Thats right...Let us put someone from Chicago in Washington D.C. to fix it.. 

 Its like trying to use a Ball Peen Hammer to Unloosen a Bolt

frodus

Hard Core Member

Joined: 9/15/06
Posts: 1867

Justification is an event. Sanctification is a process.

11/02/09 8:52:45 PM#5

An Ass,having put on the lions skin,roamed about the forest,amused himself by frightening the foolish animals he met with his wanderings.....Shakspeare of Bacon.

Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.