A promised expansion is suppose to have come out this month, but was postponed until mid next month.  We're all curious how they deal with the #1 problem with the game; the skill system.

No true free "learn anything" skill system has ever worked, so we're curious to see what other system they apply to make it work. 

In truth Darkfall was and is a horrible game.  Its not worth 50 dollars.  With the market the way it is today, there's nothing else that offers Shadowbane quality epic pvp and so people are looking at this game hoping and praying this expansion fixes everything and makes the game more balanced, and fun.

As it stands if you don't macro, and you don't play a ton of hours every day you can't compete unless you freeload off a clan.  We're just hoping the game becomes fun miraculously, because there's literally nothing out there worth noting.  Darkfall is by far 100x less the game that Aion is, but the problems with Darkfall can be fixed easily with patches/expansions.  Games like WoW can't, they'd have to totally recreate the game.

Personally, the reason I still come to these forums?  I've come to hate MMORPG's.  I invested in this game because of the buz, and because what they advertised on their site as "being in game".  I'm to the point where I'm tired of all these developers producing these crappy MMO's that they think the "majority" want but in truth it's just because we've never experienced anything different that makes Darkfall so appealing.  They keep selling us milk, basically.  They look at what other MMO's do and just keep repeating it over and over and over... because it sells.

This is my effort to destroy this game.  I'll be honest.  I payed more than 50 bucks for this as I bought my sister and myself a game copy in late September, 6 months after launch (plenty of time to fix the bugs) and the game was literally the worse game we've played MMO wise in a LONG time, and also charging the most for a 6 months after launch game.  We were huge fans of Shadowbane, in fact my sister was a leader in shadowbane for a 300+ person guild and we ended up killing the server by wiping out all the other guilds.  It's amazing how easy it was to get people to join the guild when my sister was leading (female power).  People would buy her plane tickets to fly out to them.  We totally used it for political purposes, which is what made Shadowbane so amazing.  The sieges, the pvp, the politics.  Too bad 5 years after release they never fixed the bugs.

A lot of you say "read the posts and decide before you buy" BUT TO be honest there are trolls, there are complainers on the threads more so than popular voters (who are too busy playing the game and enjoying it to post).  So we went ahead and tried it anyway.

No refund, lots of lies on the website.  This pissed me off. 

Unintuitive UI.  Come on this is the year 2009, soon to be 2010.  You're telling me you couldn't mimic the representation style of another UI?  There's hundreds of examples out there of good UI's for games designed like the way this one plays.  Not to mention the GUI is the first thing you get hammered out, the first thing you make good as a DECENT DEVELOPER would do because frankly it's what is going to make the learning easy for a new prospective player.  It's what's going to ease the new player into the game.  It's going tomake the game easier to learn, and thus less frustrating.  For years this simple concept of a good GUI has been practiced in almost every application that uses a GUI (except for private development programs that were developed for a single company).

This game just stank of "I used Ogre to learn how to develop an environment".  Or, I developed this game at my local college or in my moms basement. The production values are horrid in every area, like no one on their team had common sense.  I'm going to college for computer programming and one of the first classes they teach at my college was GUI development because it's THAT important.  That basic of a skill.

You, if you'd like... could hammer on Goblins until you're maxed out in all skills.  In fact it's easier to gain most your skills at goblins.  The other monsters are too hard for melee and literally impossible solo.  The reward also isn't worth it solo, so most people just use the goblin/troll/kroboll spawns.  Which speaks to the new player population, since it's often empty there or 1-5 people.

Just look at the design.  Instead of providing classes, or some sort of counter measure system to skill development (to limit the difference between an old and new player since it's a primarily pvp game) they just decided to put no counter measures in and instead just let everyone level up to max in every skill.

You telling me they couldn't predict that everyone was going to use all the best abilities in all the spell fields over and over and over again?  I mean if you had the option of doing a 50 damage nuke or a 40 damage aoe in a siege, what do you think people are going to use?  Ok now add 4 more aoe's you can cast right after to do the same damage... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I mean seriously.  Client side is your answer to having a server that can handle large amounts of people?  Jesus streamline the areas and subject them to seperate server clusters to limit server load, and streamline your code so it's not so innefficient you have to make so much client side that people are hacking the game in 100's of different ways.  Even in games like CS:S which house 50 players on some servers nightly with a lot more going on and calculating (physics) don't give people an easy way to teleport randomly across the map.  This is a no brainer, you're going to let people choose to tell you their x, y, z location?  You're not going to double check digits on the other end for logic?

How hard is it to occasionally record the location of players, then to check logic by testing how fast they traveled from one distance to another?  After all, mounts are a set speed and the only fast way to travel minus runestones (ok so have a check for runestones).

Every where you look in this game you see bad design.  Amateur.  Someone who doesn't care about developing a good game, but instead of just capitalizing on the market and making quick money.

The bottomline:

There are people who like this game, but those people like this game because:
It provides something new to them

They hope for potential improvements down the line

They have established themselves in a community

Their standards for game design are low and they have very little MMORPG standards

Anyone that likes this game is basically young to the genre, a retard, or they made a friend.  Basically.

Everyone else was smart enough to get out instead of giving these idiots free money.  The fact of the matter is at 50 bucks a pop, and probably 100,000 sales with only probably six to ten employees, they can afford to pay back the customers who put faith in them by improving this bad game.   Hire someone new, fire the old because they suck.  Do whatever is required.  We're the investors, we're the ones putting money in the game.

A common rule in business is that: customers are the boss.  The top of the pyramid.  Without them, without their happiness... without their support... you have no business.  So they are the last say.  This means potential customers.

As tempting it is to listen to the fan boys on the forums, look at your numbers (5 to 10k) and look at the potential market (WoW at 10 million subscribers + 5 mil or more in other games) and ask yourself if you should be listening to that small amount because you make a profit off of them long term, or if you should be trying to get a piece of the pie.

 Sounds like Darkfall isn't your type of game.

Originally posted by daveospice

A promised expansion is suppose to have come out this month, but was postponed until mid next month.  We're all curious how they deal with the #1 problem with the game; the skill system.

No true free "learn anything" skill system has ever worked, so we're curious to see what other system they apply to make it work. 

In truth Darkfall was and is a horrible game.  Its not worth 50 dollars.  With the market the way it is today, there's nothing else that offers Shadowbane quality epic pvp and so people are looking at this game hoping and praying this expansion fixes everything and makes the game more balanced, and fun. <Snip>

The hell with it, I'm tired of getting 3 to 7 day bans.

Nvm.

What was the point of this thread again??  more jibbersih on these forums.  Whole site has gone down the shiiter with the amount of jibberish being wrote on this site.

I'm sorry Dave but.... really?  First you start of with a completely ridiculous Post title.  "Darkfall popular"??!!  I mean that is just announcing you are probably trolling.  I can see just the title alone pulling people in.  Very well done. 

You start with the skill system.. good..... then bash the heck out of skill systems stating no true learn anything skill system has ever worked.  Thats going to bring a few in.  Mentioning the macroing will have the "its changing" crowd yelling.  One problem..."Shadowbane quality epic pvp".... I  don't know if this will bring out the "you lost all credibility with this line" people or not.  The whole sister thing is sure to bring in comments. 

Mentioned WoW, check. 

Mentioned Aion, check.

Now you get to the meat and begin your Darkfall bash in earnest. The problem is you're just repeating EVERYTHING, I mean EVERYTHING everyone else has already said, I don't see an original statement in the whole bloody thing.   You'll get a few but no real epic numbers this way.   There may be a few grammar (payed - paid) people.   The ones who will call you out for getting it in the first place may chime in "I told you so" is a pretty quick line to type.   All in all, its a really good effort, but the sheer amount of it, which should bring in the TLDRs may even keep them from posting.  You use paragraphs but you still may get a wall of text-er If you're lucky.

I really like this effort.   I'm just not sure if it has good staying power. I enjoyed SB, but it was also pretty bad as far as games go as far as pure ass hattery. 

I'm still on the fence on the ranking here.  I'll give one when you've got a few more replies.

Good luck!

Originally posted by daveospice
<snip>

This is my effort to destroy this game.  I'll be honest.

<snip>

Are you familar with the role of tragic heroes in ancient greek tragedies ?

John Wood will keep having to put Darkfall as nr 1 in most anticipated game on mmorpg.com.

;D

 Good luck in your quest to destroy the game, Dave Man!

You know... for all the flak he's catching... this was one of the most honest posts I've read in a long time. I don't agree with well any of it... and I found that part about guildies buying plane tickets for the OPs sister very creepy... but like I said, at least he's honest. There is WAY too little of that on these (or any) forums these days.

I agree it was a very honest post form an ignorant gamer, Im glad you paid for darkfall fool, TBH I love darkfall sooo much, no game has been able to catch my attention this long since SWG, and you guys bashed that game to because you want a cakewalk game that you dont have to learn!! You even stated oyu didnt like the GUI because its too hard to learn LOL. A strong game is built upon a learning curve, it keeps the little kids out. I thank god for darkfall everyday because if it wasnt for darkfall I might be playing aion or something smoking some weed because thats how boring it is

It's so popular because it's fun and challenging. I'm so hooked it's insane and loving/hating every minute of it. I could write a new report every day on what happened the night before. I've had good PvP every single night for the past month, except for the few nights I don't log on.

I've never macro'd ever, I don't even know how to get started doing it. I killed 4 people last night that fought back, and got killed twice, all 6 were great fights where there was plenty of give and take. That doesn't include the group PvP where it gets fuzzy who did what.

I'm not hoping the expansion fixes everything, the only imbalance I see are the multiple school AE's. I've only been killed once by an AE ambush. By Far the most common attacks are archery followed by melee. It's a problem, but it's not ruining the game at all. Every game needs a slight balancing once in a while.

Your complaints are just whining and it's a crime that they can't ban you for your incessant and repetitive posting with no new information and a stale point of view. I've played MMO's for years, my standards are high, and Darkfall is the best of the lot, and pretty close to an ideal game for me.

Some people have a weird definition of "popular".

Originally posted by Demz2

What was the point of this thread again??  more jibbersih on these forums.  Whole site has gone down the shiiter with the amount of jibberish being wrote on this site.

I agree, there are so many posts with no point other than to insult other people. These posters usually can't even spell words like "gibberish" and don't know proper English grammatical structure.

This game is popular only because after 8 years of hope and hype folks just dont want to let it go.

They've convinced themselves this is the only epic PvP game on the market.

Truth is these people are quite mistaken.  I just started playing a game that was released the same time as Darkfall, and essentially financially failed due to lack of attention and has gone into redevelopment.

This particular game feels like Darkfall and plays like Darktide (Asheron's Call).

Dont waste time on Darkfall.  Check out The Chronicles of Spellborn.   Its actually quite a good pvp game!   Not like this heap of garbage people keep giving attention to.    

Take it from an old UO and AC Darktide vet, and one of the people who had waited years to get into Darkfall.... and who is glad he's done with it.

 This should win troll post of the year.

I left Darkfall for a bit to play Aion.  It was the biggest mistake of my life.  Darkfall is the only game of its kind.  it is completely Unique and a fresh new MMORPG.  

I dont know any other game where we can Sandbox gameplay by dividing my clan up into 4 squads each with it's own objective.  

1 squad to stay and defend the city,  1 squad to attack this village and take control of it for gold,  Another squad to take the adjacent village.  And the last squad to patrol the surround cities and enemies and give support to the Village attack group who calls for it.  

Every group is having loads of fun and getting involved in PvP.  This is true sandbox questing.  So in Aion I would get a quest to go kill ?? many mobs to get 3 pieces of missing stolen jewelry.  I would rather go take over a village in expertly designed village arenas creating amazing PvP hotspots.  

Originally posted by dar_es_balat

This game is popular only because after 8 years of hope and hype folks just dont want to let it go.

They've convinced themselves this is the only epic PvP game on the market.

Truth is these people are quite mistaken.  I just started playing a game that was released the same time as Darkfall, and essentially financially failed due to lack of attention and has gone into redevelopment.

This particular game feels like Darkfall and plays like Darktide (Asheron's Call).

Dont waste time on Darkfall.  Check out The Chronicles of Spellborn.   Its actually quite a good pvp game!   Not like this heap of garbage people keep giving attention to.    

Take it from an old UO and AC Darktide vet, and one of the people who had waited years to get into Darkfall.... and who is glad he's done with it.

There is only one type of Good PvP game. 

FULL LOOT

Originally posted by dar_es_balat

This game is popular only because after 8 years of hope and hype folks just dont want to let it go.

They've convinced themselves this is the only epic PvP game on the market.

Truth is these people are quite mistaken.  I just started playing a game that was released the same time as Darkfall, and essentially financially failed due to lack of attention and has gone into redevelopment.

This particular game feels like Darkfall and plays like Darktide (Asheron's Call).

Dont waste time on Darkfall.  Check out The Chronicles of Spellborn.   Its actually quite a good pvp game!   Not like this heap of garbage people keep giving attention to.    

Take it from an old UO and AC Darktide vet, and one of the people who had waited years to get into Darkfall.... and who is glad he's done with it.

2 second check of your post history and it's obvious your agenda lies with TCOS. Go and talk about it, hell you can mention it here. But to bash DF then display your need to promote your game makes you look like a goof. Believe me we are already overstocked with your kind.
 

DF is the best mmo I've had the pleasure to play in a long time. It's just not for you, deal with it. I couldn't make it past level 24 in WOW, wanted to blow my brains out man. Ill never bash the game though cause I have a life.

Rofl.  Orly?

Darktide never had full loot yet it is recognized as possibly the reigning king of PvP MMO servers.

Darkfall on the other hand has full loot, but the PvP is such shit they have to completely overhaul many of the skills, and instead of calling it a patch theyre spouting off another Aventurine Exaggeration and calling it an "Expansion."

There is nothing being expanded upon.

You are simply getting basic features you were promised in 2001, 1 year after release... many of these features are simply fixes to broken and therefore disabled mechanics.

Darkfall fails much in the same way this map fails.

Seriously if you want a game that you have to bot your way to the top in, check out Jade Dynasty.  No need to write a script in AutoHotKey that switches into combat mode, fires, jumps, dives, changes skills, fires again, swims in a circle, etc in order to avoid detection.  The bots legal there.

Grind to your hearts content and serve up some 1 hit KO's and claim PvP ownage! 

Oh wait, sorry I guess theres no boats to hack anywhere else but Darkfall.

www.youtube.com/watch

That map is pure win.  If you were even involved with that Epic Alliance battles you would understand how awesome this game is.  When you are communicating with large battalions of players for hours.  Coordinating strategic plows and using awesome military tactics.  No other game can even compare and match that.

The Epic Battle for Alberworth one of my Fav's

I was involved with all that and more.   The game is a tremendous waste of time.

Originally posted by dar_es_balat

I was involved with all that and more.   The game is a tremendous waste of time.

I'd say you continuing posting here is actually a tremendous waste of time. You offer nothing new (at least add some personality to what you type), and your avatar is the only thing more pointless and irrelevant than your posts.

 lol your completely failing with that last post you troll.  so funny.   Everyone disregard this troll.  

Peace

i agree on popularity of  Darkfall.

Gotta love how you nerds want to bash me personally for thinking this game is an epic piece of trash, yet you cant actually bring forth anything game related to refute me.

You guys fail.

Originally posted by dar_es_balat

Gotta love how you nerds want to bash me personally for thinking this game is an epic piece of trash, yet you cant actually bring forth anything game related to refute me.

You guys fail.

The fact that this game is played by thousands of people speak to it's success.  You stating that it is an "epic piece of trash" is your personal opinion.  One opinion, and I hate to break it to you but you are not important.

You sure?  According to Blizzard WoW has a few million subscribers...

Furthermore - Mariah Carey has had more #1 hits than The Beatles.  How many of those songs can you actually name?

The point is:  Just because people pay for something doesnt mean its good.  Just means someones paying for it.