In my opinion MMO gamers hates WoW for the same reason fans of rock music hates Emo and fans of anime hates Naruto (note that I'm not saying that every one of these persons hates these things). What WoW, Emo and Naruto have in common is that they are all extremely successful nowadays, and for that reason they end up being copied by others and become a standard for its respectives industries.

When u copy something, u keep the good things and try to remove its flaws, but in the most times it doesn't happen with success, so the flaws remain and other ones can surge. Said that, imagine this: ur a huge fan of rock, and all of a sudden all that's new in the genre includes ugly hairs, sentimental lyrics and crappy guitar lines... annoying, huh? If you don't like it, absolutely.

We're customers of the game industry, so we're damn right in complaining, but we are wrong in bashing only WoW. WoW has success, it won't change so soon! We must bash the companies that copy Blizzard, hire some fresh Dev's and let their creativity flow, damn! Otherwise, it would be the same as to condemn Mc'Donalds for spreading obesity throughout the world and don't caring about other fast-foods restaurants.

Edit: I don't have nothing against WoW, in fact I think it's a pretty decent game, amusing and enjoyable in some ways.

I think people are generally very stupid and somehow feel the MMO they play represents them and their sad lives. Therefore many MMO gamers think it's cool to love their own game and hate other games in order to feel better about themselves, and since forum anonymity protects them from real confrontations they don't have to fear confrontations like they would in real life. Then they start coming up with really dumb theories in an attempt to seem like that's not the case.

I do not like Nickelback because the music is bland, simple and i dont connect with the lyrics

I do not like Titanic because it is long, overdramatic, uncreative and boring

I do not like WoW becasue of the awfully boring combat, the immature playerbase, the unfulfiling crafting system, the cartoonish graphics, boring quests etc.....

I dont get why people cant get that some people dont like WoW and otehr popular things for pretty simple reasons with no underlying physcological probing.

Scientology must be correct b/c millions of people follow that cough* religion!!!!!

Originally posted by masterbbb26

I do not like Nickelback because the music is bland, simple and i dont connect with the lyrics

I do not like Titanic because it is long, overdramatic, uncreative and boring

I do not like WoW becasue of the awfully boring combat, the immature playerbase, the unfulfiling crafting system, the cartoonish graphics, boring quests etc.....

I dont get why people cant get that some people dont like WoW and otehr popular things for pretty simple reasons with no underlying physcological probing.

 

Scientology must be correct b/c millions of people follow that cough* religion!!!!!

 

 

 

Hey what MMORPG game you play? Feel me in

Some people don't like WoW for legit reasons, and having played it since it came out, I can understand it.  Most of those people don't fall into the "hater" category though.  The haters are the ones who blame WoW for everything from the state of today's mmo's to global warming, to their continuing virginity.  These people hate on WoW because they think it raises their internet street (or is it geek?) cred.  Its what all the cool kids are doing.  Somehow, hating on WoW makes you more savvy and knowledgeable about mmo's.  Sure.  Ok.

Originally posted by LuckyR

Why WOW is hated. Hell that's easy! They took MMOs and down graded them to make it sooooo easy that my granny could be ubber. MMOs before WOW were challenging and fun to play, now you can jump into most MMOs and solo your way to max level.

WOW is resposible for this, UO, EQ, and games like that were hard to play, required you to group and DID NOT hand feed you.

Complain all you want, but if you were not around this type of game in the late 90s to early 2000 then you really do not know what an MMO should be. OH YEAH, and Blizzard advertised the hell out of WOW which is something no other MMO ever had to do.

Thanks.

/sarcasm on

No, no.  Thank you for telling me how to think.  And thank you for telling me what is right or wrong.... How dare I have my own opinion.......   I forgot that even though I suffered through UO and EQ that I still must put on rose colored galsses and remember the past fondly; even if those games were only fun (barely) because I was in high school and college with ample freetime.  How dare I desire to not revert back to the oh so accurate stereotypical mmo'er from the late 90's.

So, thank you for reminding me that having the desire to be able to progress through either many small pieces of time, or a few long pieces of time as fits my schedule...  I mean god forbid I have kids or a wife. 

/sarcasm off

/rant on

My final point.... if every thing is sooooo bad and uo/eq were so good.     GO PLAY THEM!!!!!   THEY ARE STILL ABLE TO BE PLAYED, SO DO IT!!!!!!!!  Get out of our games and stop trying to force companies into the past.... Just go there yourself and don't let the door hit you in the @ss on the way out.

/rant off

Originally posted by LuckyR

Why WOW is hated. Hell that's easy! They took MMOs and down graded them to make it sooooo easy that my granny could be ubber. MMOs before WOW were challenging and fun to play, now you can jump into most MMOs and solo your way to max level.

WOW is resposible for this, UO, EQ, and games like that were hard to play, required you to group and DID NOT hand feed you.

Complain all you want, but if you were not around this type of game in the late 90s to early 2000 then you really do not know what an MMO should be. OH YEAH, and Blizzard advertised the hell out of WOW which is something no other MMO ever had to do.

Thanks.

You have some very distorted sense of measurement.

EQ is good because it is hard?  It is as hard as the developer wants to tune it.  As there is so few content in the game, the only way to keep people playing is to make it hard to level up and easy to lose xp.  That is the only reason why it is hard.  The mobs are not born to be superb, they are given digital numbers by the developers to keep you and us stupidly grinding.

Look at EQ1 today.  Mobs are pushover.  The developers know that people see through the stupidity of pretentious hardiness.  It is not hard, it is artificially made time consuming.

AND you still fall for that.  Next time I make a game, making it so hard that everything you kill pays zero XP.  Man you need to be a real man to play my game.  Remember to pay for a 100 years sub upfront.  It is a hard game.

Originally posted by lisubab

Originally posted by LuckyR

Why WOW is hated. Hell that's easy! They took MMOs and down graded them to make it sooooo easy that my granny could be ubber. MMOs before WOW were challenging and fun to play, now you can jump into most MMOs and solo your way to max level.

WOW is resposible for this, UO, EQ, and games like that were hard to play, required you to group and DID NOT hand feed you.

Complain all you want, but if you were not around this type of game in the late 90s to early 2000 then you really do not know what an MMO should be. OH YEAH, and Blizzard advertised the hell out of WOW which is something no other MMO ever had to do.

Thanks.

 

You have some very distorted sense of measurement.

EQ is good because it is hard?  It is as hard as the developer wants to tune it.  As there is so few content in the game, the only way to keep people playing is to make it hard to level up and easy to lose xp.  That is the only reason why it is hard.  The mobs are not born to be superb, they are given digital numbers by the developers to keep you and us stupidly grinding.

Look at EQ1 today.  Mobs are pushover.  The developers know that people see through the stupidity of pretentious hardiness.  It is not hard, it is artificially made time consuming.

AND you still fall for that.  Next time I make a game, making it so hard that everything you kill pays zero XP.  Man you need to be a real man to play my game.  Remember to pay for a 100 years sub upfront.  It is a hard game.

So why don't these guys all play EQ? :)))
 

Chances are they didn't even install the program.

Originally posted by tro44_1

Originally posted by masterbbb26

I do not like Nickelback because the music is bland, simple and i dont connect with the lyrics

I do not like Titanic because it is long, overdramatic, uncreative and boring

I do not like WoW becasue of the awfully boring combat, the immature playerbase, the unfulfiling crafting system, the cartoonish graphics, boring quests etc.....

I dont get why people cant get that some people dont like WoW and otehr popular things for pretty simple reasons with no underlying physcological probing.

 

Scientology must be correct b/c millions of people follow that cough* religion!!!!!

 

 

 

 

Hey what MMORPG game you play? Feel me in

To be honest at the very moment i am in a black hole of no mmo gaming.....it sucks but im not sure what to play next. I was just playing Vanguard but the grind got to me........before that i was playing TCOS but it failed. Im thinking of giving fallen earth a try but im waiting for a trial week so i can try it out before dishing 50 bucks,

Originally posted by masterbbb26

Originally posted by tro44_1

Originally posted by masterbbb26

I do not like Nickelback because the music is bland, simple and i dont connect with the lyrics

I do not like Titanic because it is long, overdramatic, uncreative and boring

I do not like WoW becasue of the awfully boring combat, the immature playerbase, the unfulfiling crafting system, the cartoonish graphics, boring quests etc.....

I dont get why people cant get that some people dont like WoW and otehr popular things for pretty simple reasons with no underlying physcological probing.

 

Scientology must be correct b/c millions of people follow that cough* religion!!!!!

 

 

 

 

Hey what MMORPG game you play? Feel me in

To be honest at the very moment i am in a black hole of no mmo gaming.....it sucks but im not sure what to play next. I was just playing Vanguard but the grind got to me........before that i was playing TCOS but it failed. Im thinking of giving fallen earth a try but im waiting for a trial week so i can try it out before dishing 50 bucks,

Let's ... dissect what you dislike about WOW:
 

Point 1: awful boring combat? Most people find that WOW has the best responsive and fastest reactive controls of any mmorpg. It is as much based on fast reflexes as it is based on knowing the abilities and counter abilities of the other classes. 70 points of talent setting in 3 main branches makes it incredible diverse (playing a healer, a dps or a pure tank within ONE character is awesome)

That's why it has a ladder based competition btw within fixed settings and a fixed controllable compettion. ESPN wide even. 200.000 dollars tournaments IN and out of the game.

So you have a personal opinion, but clearly not founded on what the rest of this industry mostly considers.

Point 2. Immature player base. Sorry but a social study of ... 2.000.000 US only citizens proves you wrong.  http://www.wow.com/2009/04/09/nielsen-wow-is-most-played-core-game-by-25-54-females/ 

So if you think that  ALL adults in our game are "immature", chances are it's the other way around: you can't adept to the majority of our society (mostly it IS the other way around you know).

Point 3. Unfulflilling crafting system. One word ,no explanation makes this a cheap excuse. Two options here: you can craft to make money and buy things: once an economy professor said that the economy of Azeroth could be something ol' Greenspan would envy. The AH ... in WOW functions. You can make huge amounts of money with gathering professions and crafting.

The second option is - apart from the money - you can make helicopters, motorbikes (to sell on the AH), flying carpets, invisible trinkets...

In fact in the lastest expansion alone there were 1100(!) NEW recipies to craft. Surely puts everything in perspective.

So your one word is nothing short of ... "short" isn't there ? :)

Point 4. Cartoonish graphs. They were updated with every expansion. Take basic WOW modules and the latest Wotlk objects. Polygons times 10.  It is an art style btw. In video games you talk about visuals, not pixels. Impressionism is an art style, the Flint Stones is an art style, Art primes pixels EVERY time. In RL and in videogames.

Point 5.Boring quests Wotlk quest designs were miles above the previous expansions. Tx to many NEW techniques. Phasing (the changing of the worlds around you - be it for good - or temporarely), underwater, flying skies, mounted combat, driving vehicules, bombardments, recce quests, long quest chains with in game cinematics, open world PVP quests with a PVE theme (tell me how can a daily open world PvP quest with a pve theme be ... boring anyway ?).

Etc. All things you won't find in the competition. Why ? because of lack of resources (no underwater, no extensive flying, no open world, no phasing techniques known).

So there you have it really.

All facts and an analysis of your 5 rather meaningless one word (and certainly unfounded) Wow hate.

I guess you leveled something to level 18 and thought you knew WOW.

Sorry if I just put some order and thoughts in those "words" of yours. It's perhaps time you do that yourself.

It's because wow is a refuge from Gankers, we don't need world pvp, and it makes them mad. They cannot accept that as a player group that they do not matter. MMORPGS are about end game RAID progression and gearing up. Not some stupid sandbox mentality. The failures like Darkfall are stacking up, you cannot count the number of fail pvp wow killers have come out.

And then they complain about wow pvp being unbalanced, as if we care. We just let you have arena so you can be occupied, not our fault you cant get a good guild and play with the big boys. PVP if anything ruins end game dps scaling, just because some PVP scumbag feels butt hurt our DK tanks have to take a hit, or the recent rogue nerf. And now I hear their buffing Shadow Priests dps, which shrug is great for their pvp I guess, were still not taking them over better classes though. 

Most of the wow haters need to go play first person shooters. MMORPG's are not the place for mindless pvp, thats been proven.The Devs ignore you because you don't matter. WE matter, the raider, the quester, doing content, making new friends in town. You just have to accept it, we are in charge, and they get mad knowing this is a fact.  

Originally posted by Deestroy

It's because wow is a refuge from Gankers, we don't need world pvp, and it makes them mad. They cannot accept that as a player group that they do not matter. MMORPGS are about end game RAID progression and gearing up. Not some stupid sandbox mentality. The failures like Darkfall are stacking up, you cannot count the number of fail pvp wow killers have come out.

And then they complain about wow pvp being unbalanced, as if we care. We just let you have arena so you can be occupied, not our fault you cant get a good guild and play with the big boys. PVP if anything ruins end game dps scaling, just because some PVP scumbag feels butt hurt our DK tanks have to take a hit, or the recent rogue nerf. And now I hear their buffing Shadow Priests dps, which shrug is great for their pvp I guess, were still not taking them over better classes though. 

 

Most of the wow haters need to go play first person shooters. MMORPG's are not the place for mindless pvp, thats been proven.The Devs ignore you because you don't matter. WE matter, the raider, the quester, doing content, making new friends in town. You just have to accept it, we are in charge, and they get mad knowing this is a fact.  

'That response is so wrong on so many levels, I don't know where to start. Ignoring that rant is much easier.

Not really hating on WoW, but the ease of WoW wears thin after a while and leaves somethings missing at times. PvP lacks any real depth other than just to aquire points for gear.

The crafting is ease of use and does have the variety needed to make it wotrhwhile.

The PvE side does have some interesting aspects but still lacks interest in some areas.

As a older game they lowered the requirements on some mounts which was needed.

Classes are so far from balanced from each other it boogles the mind that after five years they would get it right instead of so many hard nerfs.

Oh and WoW expansions killed the world PvP.

11 million folks likes WoW and that pisses the people off who do not like the game. 

I would wager 90% of the WoW haters were diehard WoW fans who played the game relentlessly for several years straight.

Familiarity breeds contempt.  These one time fans are burned out, but cannot find a suitable replacement, so they blame what they once loved.

It is always easier to bash the top dog and assign blame, like how some subsequent MMO titles being subpar is WoW's fault

What is often over looked by the haters are a couple of simple facts:  No MMO forces you to play it.  Most people don't chose to entertain themselves with something they do not like.  That means 11 million people actually do like WoW.

And that pisses the haters off to no end.

Originally posted by Korhindi

11 million folks likes WoW and that pisses the people off who do not like the game. 

I would wager 90% of the WoW haters were diehard WoW fans who played the game relentlessly for several years straight.

Familiarity breeds contempt.  These one time fans are burned out, but cannot find a suitable replacement, so they blame what they once loved.

It is always easier to bash the top dog and assign blame, like how some subsequent MMO titles being subpar is WoW's fault

What is often over looked by the haters are a couple of simple facts:  No MMO forces you to play it.  Most people don't chose to entertain themselves with something they do not like.  That means 11 million people actually do like WoW.

And that pisses the haters off to no end.

 

Just a small reminder, the eleven million subs can't be used anymore as most people know that those numbers where from 2-3 years ago, it has declined somewhat and Blizzard has not even reported subscription numbers in over a year.

Originally posted by DevilXaphan

Originally posted by Korhindi

11 million folks likes WoW and that pisses the people off who do not like the game. 

I would wager 90% of the WoW haters were diehard WoW fans who played the game relentlessly for several years straight.

Familiarity breeds contempt.  These one time fans are burned out, but cannot find a suitable replacement, so they blame what they once loved.

It is always easier to bash the top dog and assign blame, like how some subsequent MMO titles being subpar is WoW's fault

What is often over looked by the haters are a couple of simple facts:  No MMO forces you to play it.  Most people don't chose to entertain themselves with something they do not like.  That means 11 million people actually do like WoW.

And that pisses the haters off to no end.

 

Just a small reminder, the eleven million subs can't be used anymore as most people know that those numbers where from 2-3 years ago, it has declined somewhat and Blizzard has not even reported subscription numbers in over a year.

True.

If you take comfort in the fact that WoW's subs are down and if that slakes your rage, then so be it.

Still, it means 11 million people liked it.  No amount of hate will change that no matter how hard one wishes it so.

And still, millions still like the game.

I have to wonder, if these folks who so despise WoW put as much effort into making a new title succeed with the same fervor they use to decry WoW with, if such newer titles would be more solid, polished, supported and ultimately become a haven away from the evil WoW?

I wonder if folks truly understand how much energy is consumed in maintaining a grudge?

Originally posted by masterbbb26

Originally posted by Zorndorf

To be honest at the very moment i am in a black hole of no mmo gaming.....it sucks but im not sure what to play next. I was just playing Vanguard but the grind got to me........before that i was playing TCOS but it failed. Im thinking of giving fallen earth a try but im waiting for a trial week so i can try it out before dishing 50 bucks,

Let's ... dissect what you dislike about WOW:
 

Point 1: awful boring combat? Most people find that WOW has the best responsive and fastest reactive controls of any mmorpg. It is as much based on fast reflexes as it is based on knowing the abilities and counter abilities of the other classes. 70 points of talent setting in 3 main branches makes it incredible diverse (playing a healer, a dps or a pure tank within ONE character is awesome)

That's why it has a ladder based competition btw within fixed settings and a fixed controllable compettion. ESPN wide even. 200.000 dollars tournaments IN and out of the game.

So you have a personal opinion, but clearly not founded on what the rest of this industry mostly considers.

Point 2. Immature player base. Sorry but a social study of ... 2.000.000 US only citizens proves you wrong.  http://www.wow.com/2009/04/09/nielsen-wow-is-most-played-core-game-by-25-54-females/ 

So if you think that  ALL adults in our game are "immature", chances are it's the other way around: you can't adept to the majority of our society (mostly it IS the other way around you know).

Point 3. Unfulflilling crafting system. One word ,no explanation makes this a cheap excuse. Two options here: you can craft to make money and buy things: once an economy professor said that the economy of Azeroth could be something ol' Greenspan would envy. The AH ... in WOW functions. You can make huge amounts of money with gathering professions and crafting.

The second option is - apart from the money - you can make helicopters, motorbikes (to sell on the AH), flying carpets, invisible trinkets...

In fact in the lastest expansion alone there were 1100(!) NEW recipies to craft. Surely puts everything in perspective.

So your one word is nothing short of ... "short" isn't there ? :)

Point 4. Cartoonish graphs. They were updated with every expansion. Take basic WOW modules and the latest Wotlk objects. Polygons times 10.  It is an art style btw. In video games you talk about visuals, not pixels. Impressionism is an art style, the Flint Stones is an art style, Art primes pixels EVERY time. In RL and in videogames.

Point 5.Boring quests Wotlk quest designs were miles above the previous expansions. Tx to many NEW techniques. Phasing (the changing of the worlds around you - be it for good - or temporarely), underwater, flying skies, mounted combat, driving vehicules, bombardments, recce quests, long quest chains with in game cinematics, open world PVP quests with a PVE theme (tell me how can a daily open world PvP quest with a pve theme be ... boring anyway ?).

Etc. All things you won't find in the competition. Why ? because of lack of resources (no underwater, no extensive flying, no open world, no phasing techniques known).

So there you have it really.

All facts and an analysis of your 5 rather meaningless one word (and certainly unfounded) Wow hate.

I guess you leveled something to level 18 and thought you knew WOW.

Sorry if I just put some order and thoughts in those "words" of yours. It's perhaps time you do that yourself.

 

 

lol...............why did you waste your time writing all this and then at the end say

"I guess you leveled something to level 18 and thought you knew WoW"

all the crap you wrote and you compltely just showed your true colors by writing this. Why try and write a post with cough* "facts" about a game made for entertainment that should not be taken as seriously as you do and then end it with a blatent nerd raging assumption unfounded and certainly untrue.

Think about what your saying........

my opinion is combat is very boring due to the very slow auto attack, the press 1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3 over and over again repetitivness, no death penalty that actually matters and never being in danger of dying. How is this OPINION wrong?

and you wrote "my facts say that the universal truth on the matter is it is not boring!!" "therfore your opinion is wrong!!!" this is just sad.

Get a life and go get some sunshine...i think you have been inside too long playing WoW.

Dude arguing a point with Zorndorf is useless as his fanatic zeal of posting with x-fire numbers that mean nothing and reviews thinking they actually mean anything.

Originally posted by otter3370

My favorite mmorpg argument, the one I see brought up the most, is the gamer that plays a game and doesn't like it.  He/she plays it for an hour, or day, or week, and quits, then comes onto mmorpg.com and posts about how the game sucks.   Another gamer says you only played it for a week, you can't have an informed opinion unless youve played it at least a month, or 6 months, or a year.  That's when the "fun" kicks in.  So that player plays the game for a year and comes back and makes a post saying the game sucks.  Another gamer posts, well, you played it for a year, you must have liked it. 

This WoW love/hate argument is the same thing.  You can't win.  People either hate it with a rabid frothing at the mouth passion or love it so much it hurts to be away from it.   

...or they hate it with a frothing at the mouth because it hurts to be away from it.

I dunno.  I was one of the lucky ones.  I played it almost nonstop for 3 months.  Then one day, I sat in front of my PC, logged in, and asked myself, "why am I doing this?".  Logged off, dropped my sub and never looked back.

Many people pretend to hate what's popular, then quite often, slink off into their basement to partake in it. 

I particularly like the comments like, "almost everybody hates WoW".  There may be some truth to that on this board, but it's certainly not the case in the mainstream.  If anybody dares consider this board to be "everybody", that would be a view askew...

Wow is popular despite there being better MMO's, for the same reason Ipods are popular despite there being better mp3 players.  It penetrated the mainstream first.  It offered the most, first, in a way that was accessible by the masses.  Then it followed up by NOT screwing with a winning formula.

Something may topple it someday.  I don't think it will come to be due to a game with completely different, innovative gameplay, though.  I think it will come via the next big step in technology.  When the whole US has wireless broadband, perhaps, the next big thing will come that can be played on portable devices and phones.   Perhaps it will be the first good console MMO that kills it.

A game where you can do a number of things via browser might be the way forward.  CO and Eve seem to be on the right track with this, but it has to go much further.  Give us guid chat, the auction hall, maybe even some crafting, so that we're never productive at work ever again...

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by masterbbb26

Originally posted by tro44_1

Originally posted by masterbbb26

I do not like Nickelback because the music is bland, simple and i dont connect with the lyrics

I do not like Titanic because it is long, overdramatic, uncreative and boring

I do not like WoW becasue of the awfully boring combat, the immature playerbase, the unfulfiling crafting system, the cartoonish graphics, boring quests etc.....

I dont get why people cant get that some people dont like WoW and otehr popular things for pretty simple reasons with no underlying physcological probing.

 

Scientology must be correct b/c millions of people follow that cough* religion!!!!!

 

 

 

 

Hey what MMORPG game you play? Feel me in

To be honest at the very moment i am in a black hole of no mmo gaming.....it sucks but im not sure what to play next. I was just playing Vanguard but the grind got to me........before that i was playing TCOS but it failed. Im thinking of giving fallen earth a try but im waiting for a trial week so i can try it out before dishing 50 bucks,

Let's ... dissect what you dislike about WOW:
 

Point 1: awful boring combat? Most people find that WOW has the best responsive and fastest reactive controls of any mmorpg. It is as much based on fast reflexes as it is based on knowing the abilities and counter abilities of the other classes. 70 points of talent setting in 3 main branches makes it incredible diverse (playing a healer, a dps or a pure tank within ONE character is awesome)

That's why it has a ladder based competition btw within fixed settings and a fixed controllable compettion. ESPN wide even. 200.000 dollars tournaments IN and out of the game.

So you have a personal opinion, but clearly not founded on what the rest of this industry mostly considers.

Point 2. Immature player base. Sorry but a social study of ... 2.000.000 US only citizens proves you wrong.  http://www.wow.com/2009/04/09/nielsen-wow-is-most-played-core-game-by-25-54-females/ 

So if you think that  ALL adults in our game are "immature", chances are it's the other way around: you can't adept to the majority of our society (mostly it IS the other way around you know).

Point 3. Unfulflilling crafting system. One word ,no explanation makes this a cheap excuse. Two options here: you can craft to make money and buy things: once an economy professor said that the economy of Azeroth could be something ol' Greenspan would envy. The AH ... in WOW functions. You can make huge amounts of money with gathering professions and crafting.

The second option is - apart from the money - you can make helicopters, motorbikes (to sell on the AH), flying carpets, invisible trinkets...

In fact in the lastest expansion alone there were 1100(!) NEW recipies to craft. Surely puts everything in perspective.

So your one word is nothing short of ... "short" isn't there ? :)

Point 4. Cartoonish graphs. They were updated with every expansion. Take basic WOW modules and the latest Wotlk objects. Polygons times 10.  It is an art style btw. In video games you talk about visuals, not pixels. Impressionism is an art style, the Flint Stones is an art style, Art primes pixels EVERY time. In RL and in videogames.

Point 5.Boring quests Wotlk quest designs were miles above the previous expansions. Tx to many NEW techniques. Phasing (the changing of the worlds around you - be it for good - or temporarely), underwater, flying skies, mounted combat, driving vehicules, bombardments, recce quests, long quest chains with in game cinematics, open world PVP quests with a PVE theme (tell me how can a daily open world PvP quest with a pve theme be ... boring anyway ?).

Etc. All things you won't find in the competition. Why ? because of lack of resources (no underwater, no extensive flying, no open world, no phasing techniques known).

So there you have it really.

All facts and an analysis of your 5 rather meaningless one word (and certainly unfounded) Wow hate.

I guess you leveled something to level 18 and thought you knew WOW.

Sorry if I just put some order and thoughts in those "words" of yours. It's perhaps time you do that yourself.

 

 

Mind if I copy and Paste this on another forum?

Cause Iam tired of Fanboys of new MMOs hatting on the idea, of Good things from WoW being added to those games. I remember Warhammer Beta fanboys would flame the crap out of me, even the mobs ban me for suggesting ideas similar to WoW. The aged old forum reply "Go Back To WoW" gets thrown around like crazy.
 

Originally posted by kraizy

oh man now we waked up such a wow pro i metioned that thinks his keyboard face rolling skills take a study of 5 years

as i said before if your have fun with it keep going and i do my stuff but in the end it makes wow not more complicated as it is

follow your quest marks do your dungeon stuffs with your mob ai tactics that will impress no longtime mmo vet

you can talk so much how hard wow is but its not,even most of your own people dont claim it as hard content anymore since wotlk but yeah ... i need to play 5 years wow to have a clue :O

                                                    

Whatever, you'll probably die in the first fire anyway.  Too bad that will burn your identity of a badass MMO vet :<

yeah most games get boring after awhile but usually they last about 2-3years if not less

Originally posted by Magyke412

yeah most games get boring after awhile but usually they last about 2-3years if not less

That still doenst mean its a bad game.

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Most people, fans and critics do IN FACT praise WOW's combat system.  It was recognized instantly as a step up from older MMOs and is still pretty unrivaled today in its turn based style.  If WOW"s combat is boring 99% of MMOs have boring combat as well.   What other MMO have paid tournaments based around its combat system?  A BORING game wouldn't have this attention. 

The playerbase CAN be immature but it also has millions of mature grown adults.  More than any other MMO.  THIS is a FACT!!!  EVE can have an immature playerbase as well.  Are they ALL immature?  Certainly not.   

Its crafting system is very robust with LOADS of variety.  Are people dependant upon it?  Is the game centered around it?  No not at all, which could be considered unfullfilling to some people.   But that doesn't take away from it being a big part of the game for many people, who obviously enjoy it.   I never found crafting even slightly amusing in any MMO before playing WOW.  It was always a job.  WOW made crafting accessible and fun to those who never found crafting interesting before.  When you have millions of players, you don't make creating only interesting to a few thousand of them.  You make it interesting for most of them.

WOW has a very specific art style.  If its cartoonish, then so is EQ, UO, DOAC, COH, WAR, Aion and most other MMOs, because NONE of them besides maybe AOC or EVE resemble anything even close to realistic and even thats pushing it.  Its called being stylized.   "Cartoonish" is just an immature person's way of trying to diminish a style they don't like.  

The boring quests is just a opinion.  If WOW's quests are boring then EVERY MMO has boring quests, so you might as well discount someone so fickle.  EVERY RPG has boring quests for that matter, because WOW' covers the full spectrum of what you can do with a quest in a MMO.  WOW has always pushed the bounderies as to what you can do with quests in a MMO.  

So again, if someone is going to mindlessly bash a game, at least try to do it in an informed way=)

I played WoW for a few years and really enjoyed it. I can still recall some great times I had. Further, I am still in touch with some of the members of my old guild, in other games and even in real life. I don’t view my experiences playing WoW in a particularly negative light. Sure there were some things I disliked about the game, but generally I had fun.

Not too long ago I stopped playing WoW and started playing EvE instead. Now I thoroughly enjoy my time playing EvE. I stopped playing WoW because I no longer enjoyed it. There were plenty of reasons for this, but honestly, they’re inconsequential next to the fact that I simply stopped having fun.

All of the facts about subs, content, graphics, etc don’t mean much to me because I stopped enjoying the game. Does this make me a WoW hater? Not really. Are there plenty of things related to content, graphics, and subs which I could complain about? Yes. Would it make any difference? Not one.

The real fact is all of those stats, numbers, links and articles don’t mean anything to the person who just stopped enjoying playing. To me, WoW is not the “best” game out there and I don’t have to explain or justify why, because it doesn’t make a lick of difference and I won’t be playing it again.

I think that “WoW hate” is a sort of myth. Of course there are trolls and people out there who just want to bash the game, but I’d bet there are far fewer of them than people think. What are really out there, are people like myself, who for whatever reason stopped playing. What causes (or incites) the myth of “WoW hate” are people like Zorndorf.

These forums are a place for people to come and discuss a topic of common interest, video games (and more specifically here, WoW). That includes sharing reasons that you lost interest or stopped playing – it is an open discussion after all.
However, people like Zorndorf take any and all constructive, negative or subjective comments and run them through a ringer of facts, stats, insults, etc, inevitably inciting anger and hostility in people who just wanted to share their opinion. And don’t be fooled, personal opinion IS important. This is the factor that ultimately drives someone to continue playing a game – their like or dislike of it, no matter how subjective.

Criticism is crucial to the growth of a product as it creates a dialogue for discussing improvements. The irony is that if all of these criticism were dissected and flatly dismissed (as Zorndorf would like to have it) the game of WoW that so many people love, would not exist.

Ultimately everyone should play the game that they love to play, for no other reason than they love to play it.
 

Since the above post is a direct assault at my person, simply because I like to dissect the game WOW against people that mostly don't come further than the words "suck", "boring", "trash", "MAc Donalds" and "BS", I would like to remind you that criticism only consisting of these words ...  is meaningless and worthless in a discussion.

You played WOW for years and enjoyed it but NOW you don't find it a good game anymore.

So that sentence above shows very much why your present day opinion is worthless for ... players of the game TODAY.

That's the essential thing to watch for.

And btw: I dissect indeed things in a MUCH more wider perspective than the very subjective emotions of some "who ... hates ... a game."

This dissecting technique is very disturbing for most people using words like 'trash and suck", but it is the only way of letting the user look into a mirror of his/her own emotions versus ... a game.

Always look at the broader picture instead of looking at your own belly.

That's what makes great games.

That's what distinguishes Blizzard from the rest of the bunch. They know the gaming public apparently and strike upon general succes.

The personal opinion guy should first look into a mirror and see WHY he sees things differently.

Then the blue above sums it up quite nicely.

We are discussing here "gaming and MMO's in general", not some personal frustration or personal boredom. That's worthless emo, which has NOTHING to do with the quality of a game per se. Criticism like that is pure personal and has NOTHING to do with what makes a great game experience.

So you played WSG 10.000 times and now you can't stand it. What 's the use of this info for a game design purpose.. NILL.

 The expression IMO is the  most overused and - at the same time - total meaningless timesink  here on mmorpg.com.

Why post a personal opinion if it can't be backed up by facts, dissecting arguments, subs, social studies, general theories of plain and simple .... GAME ... design.

"My lady left me last night and now I hate a game. IMO of course ". That's about 95% of the quality of posts on www.mmorpg-hate.com.

So I hold a mirror at the poster with simple  facts of a ... game aside. Simple.