Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Zikiel

I was actually speaking in general. I just happened to start with your post. Notice how I didn't refer to you in the post. I used "everyone."

 Edit: And yet we're still getting started anyway. He either does or he doesn't exist. Can't tell, can't find out. Pointless.

 

Exactly. But these atheists are so very threatened by this god they don't believe in that they just can't wet people discuss Him without then having to hijack a discussion where he is mentioned.. It's very sad they are so weak and so scared of Him.

Not all of us. Posts like 'God does not exist' do not belong in a thread discussing faith. There are many places to debate faith and its credibility, and this is not one of them. I was interested in this thread until the  "God does not exist" comment was posted.

Originally posted by Praetoriani

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Zikiel

I was actually speaking in general. I just happened to start with your post. Notice how I didn't refer to you in the post. I used "everyone."

 Edit: And yet we're still getting started anyway. He either does or he doesn't exist. Can't tell, can't find out. Pointless.

 

Exactly. But these atheists are so very threatened by this god they don't believe in that they just can't wet people discuss Him without then having to hijack a discussion where he is mentioned.. It's very sad they are so weak and so scared of Him.

 

Not all of us. Posts like 'God does not exist' do not belong in a thread discussing faith. There are many places to debate faith and its credibility, and this is not one of them. I was interested in this thread until the  "God does not exist" comment was posted.

They absolutely do belong in a thread discussing faith ,especially one asking for another persons opinion as the belief a god does not exist has a direct impact on the answered questions.

Only people who cannot handle criticism of their faith will call anybody who uses god does not exist as an argument a troll.

All I did was share my belief of god not existing.  It's not my fault that that belief conflicts with yours.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Praetoriani

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Zikiel

I was actually speaking in general. I just happened to start with your post. Notice how I didn't refer to you in the post. I used "everyone."

 Edit: And yet we're still getting started anyway. He either does or he doesn't exist. Can't tell, can't find out. Pointless.

 

Exactly. But these atheists are so very threatened by this god they don't believe in that they just can't wet people discuss Him without then having to hijack a discussion where he is mentioned.. It's very sad they are so weak and so scared of Him.

 

Not all of us. Posts like 'God does not exist' do not belong in a thread discussing faith. There are many places to debate faith and its credibility, and this is not one of them. I was interested in this thread until the  "God does not exist" comment was posted.

 

They absolutely do belong in a thread discussing faith ,especially one asking for another persons opinion as the belief a god does not exist has a direct impact on the answered questions.

Only people who cannot handle criticism of their faith will call anybody who uses god does not exist as an argument a troll.

I'm a huge atheist. Everywhere I go, I argue with creationists, should they propagate in what I find nonsensical as fact, whilst placing major doubts on evolution and even the age of the earth. I take a lot of pleasure discussing with Jehova's Witnesses that come to my door, and think I have been blacklisted by now, both here and at my girlfriend's house.

That said, commenting 'God does not exist' in a thread discussing faith, while somewhat valid, does not help the discussion forward in my opinion. Of course, everyone is entitled to their views and I pretty much respect most of them; but there's a time and a place to discuss the existance of a God, and it has been done dozens of times here and has derailed topics, such as this one. And never, ever have I seen it resolve something. All it leads to is dozens of people talking to dozens of walls in threads where the original question or meaning is lost amongst the debate about the existance of a God.

And that, I think is a shame, because it hinders me (how egocentric) from reading any new insights.

Originally posted by Fishermage

I think we are far from the first world God has created. I think there are many elder races, and taht which we call "angels" are one of those.

This is speculation however.

I've always thought the multiple earths theory was interesting. I can't remember exactly the name of the theory (i'm not speaking of metaverse or multiverse as these earths are supposed to sit upon the same plane of existence), only different dimensions, but, according to it, I believe we inhabit third earth.

Originally posted by Praetoriani

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Praetoriani

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Zikiel

I was actually speaking in general. I just happened to start with your post. Notice how I didn't refer to you in the post. I used "everyone."

 Edit: And yet we're still getting started anyway. He either does or he doesn't exist. Can't tell, can't find out. Pointless.

 

Exactly. But these atheists are so very threatened by this god they don't believe in that they just can't wet people discuss Him without then having to hijack a discussion where he is mentioned.. It's very sad they are so weak and so scared of Him.

 

Not all of us. Posts like 'God does not exist' do not belong in a thread discussing faith. There are many places to debate faith and its credibility, and this is not one of them. I was interested in this thread until the  "God does not exist" comment was posted.

 

They absolutely do belong in a thread discussing faith ,especially one asking for another persons opinion as the belief a god does not exist has a direct impact on the answered questions.

Only people who cannot handle criticism of their faith will call anybody who uses god does not exist as an argument a troll.

 

I'm a huge atheist. Everywhere I go, I argue with creationists, should they propagate in what I find nonsensical as fact, whilst placing major doubts on evolution and even the age of the earth. I take a lot of pleasure discussing with Jehova's Witnesses that come to my door, and think I have been blacklisted by now, both here and at my girlfriend's house.

That said, commenting 'God does not exist' in a thread discussing faith, while somewhat valid, does not help the discussion forward in my opinion. Of course, everyone is entitled to their views and I pretty much respect most of them; but there's a time and a place to discuss the existance of a God, and it has been done dozens of times here and has derailed topics, such as this one. And never, ever have I seen it resolve something. All it leads to is dozens of people talking to dozens of walls in threads where the original question or meaning is lost amongst the debate about the existance of a God.

And that, I think is a shame, because it hinders me (how egocentric) from reading any new insights.

Indeed.

I will always respect atheists or atheism, I was an agnostic/weak atheist for most of my life. What I will not respect are trolls who troll in with illogical unprovable assertions in an attempt to show how much they fear a God they supposedly do not believe in.

Originally posted by NeverLand7

Do you think the Earth is the first world God has ever created?

Or do you think there was also worlds before It with soul creatures and mystical beings. Ones that the human body does not retain a memory of or the ability to access the thoughts that are connected to these other mystical, wonderful worlds.

 

I don't think we could ever know,  if the earth is the first world with life that God created.  Would just be so strange if he picked this one little tiny spot in the universe to create things in.

I do believe there are many other worlds with life out there, IF there is an all powerful being that can pretty much go anwwhere in the Universe i think he prolly would have made other things.  Is he the only one?  maybe its like  a Q from star trek kinda group.

Who know really, always fun to think about though.  I'm not gonna argue if God exists or not so don't ask me, i believe in what i believe in.

Come on people, the Earth is only 6000 years old. Can anyone prove Jesus did not ride around on raptors?

I think God set things loose at the beginning and then has just been sitting back and watching what happens.

Originally posted by Praetoriani

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Praetoriani

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Zikiel

I was actually speaking in general. I just happened to start with your post. Notice how I didn't refer to you in the post. I used "everyone."

 Edit: And yet we're still getting started anyway. He either does or he doesn't exist. Can't tell, can't find out. Pointless.

 

Exactly. But these atheists are so very threatened by this god they don't believe in that they just can't wet people discuss Him without then having to hijack a discussion where he is mentioned.. It's very sad they are so weak and so scared of Him.

 

Not all of us. Posts like 'God does not exist' do not belong in a thread discussing faith. There are many places to debate faith and its credibility, and this is not one of them. I was interested in this thread until the  "God does not exist" comment was posted.

 

They absolutely do belong in a thread discussing faith ,especially one asking for another persons opinion as the belief a god does not exist has a direct impact on the answered questions.

Only people who cannot handle criticism of their faith will call anybody who uses god does not exist as an argument a troll.

 

I'm a huge atheist. Everywhere I go, I argue with creationists, should they propagate in what I find nonsensical as fact, whilst placing major doubts on evolution and even the age of the earth. I take a lot of pleasure discussing with Jehova's Witnesses that come to my door, and think I have been blacklisted by now, both here and at my girlfriend's house.

That said, commenting 'God does not exist' in a thread discussing faith, while somewhat valid, does not help the discussion forward in my opinion. Of course, everyone is entitled to their views and I pretty much respect most of them; but there's a time and a place to discuss the existance of a God, and it has been done dozens of times here and has derailed topics, such as this one. And never, ever have I seen it resolve something. All it leads to is dozens of people talking to dozens of walls in threads where the original question or meaning is lost amongst the debate about the existance of a God.

And that, I think is a shame, because it hinders me (how egocentric) from reading any new insights.

The OP asked if a person believes god created other worlds. One of the posters simply mentioned he believes god did not create other worlds simply because does not believe god exists. That's a valid reason.

It's fine that the existance of god is debated in these kind of subjects because the existance of god is directly related to the question at hand. If god doesn't exist, neither do the worlds described in the OP. If you can prove god doesn't exist or there is no reason to assume he doesn't exist, then the question answered in the OP is also answered.

I also wonder at times if God ever thinks he could a new world that has improvements where the Earth was lacking. Not nessecarily in things that we as human beings find lacking because those ''downfalls'' of living on the Earth I believe were intentionally created by God for entertainment, points of interest, contrast, adventure, learning etc. but more so for things that God finds interesting and creative.

Or if the Earth is exactly what He wanted It to be, perfect in that It essentially has and does everything he wanted It to do, but certain other worlds God has possibly created that are billions of light years away from the earth or invisible to the human bodies eye have other interior motives and purposes.

Because if God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent you would think He would maybe slightly tire of just having the Earth, or atleast want to expand into new and interesting worlds.
 

I really wonder if there is a omnipotent being in control of the universe - then again...when you try to wrap your mind around the size of the universe and how many worlds there must be...is there a God?   If there is one he is totally the greatest multitasker ever!

Interesting thread;

I don't necessarily see God as most Christians do.  I see the Bible as being revealed to humans in a way that could be understood by them at that time.  Furthermore the argument that the world is 6,000 years old according to some bible scholars is rather flaky.  The Bible never says how long its been, every estimate has been inferred based off of the scriptures.

As for the OP's question - I don't think Earth was the first mainly because I don't care what order the Bible says the universe was created nor what time period it may make you believe.  I don't have a problem meshing Evolution with Creation or the possibility of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe.

Hope that answers it :)

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Praetoriani

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Zikiel

I was actually speaking in general. I just happened to start with your post. Notice how I didn't refer to you in the post. I used "everyone."

 Edit: And yet we're still getting started anyway. He either does or he doesn't exist. Can't tell, can't find out. Pointless.

 

Exactly. But these atheists are so very threatened by this god they don't believe in that they just can't wet people discuss Him without then having to hijack a discussion where he is mentioned.. It's very sad they are so weak and so scared of Him.

 

Not all of us. Posts like 'God does not exist' do not belong in a thread discussing faith. There are many places to debate faith and its credibility, and this is not one of them. I was interested in this thread until the  "God does not exist" comment was posted.

 

They absolutely do belong in a thread discussing faith ,especially one asking for another persons opinion as the belief a god does not exist has a direct impact on the answered questions.

Only people who cannot handle criticism of their faith will call anybody who uses god does not exist as an argument a troll.

The orignal question was "Do you think the Earth is the first world God has ever created?"

Not do you believe that God exist. Sabs comment therefor is a troll post as it does nothing to move this thought forward and is somewhat of flame bait as its the same shit he post over and over again in ever religious thread.

Now someone did say something about Angels and I do not think that they had their own planet. I think God created them to always be with him. Now to say if we are alone is immposible to answer though I think we are.

 

Originally posted by smokemonsc

Interesting thread;

I don't necessarily see God as most Christians do.  I see the Bible as being revealed to humans in a way that could be understood by them at that time.  Furthermore the argument that the world is 6,000 years old according to some bible scholars is rather flaky.  The Bible never says how long its been, every estimate has been inferred based off of the scriptures.

As for the OP's question - I don't think Earth was the first mainly because I don't care what order the Bible says the universe was created nor what time period it may make you believe.  I don't have a problem meshing Evolution with Creation or the possibility of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe.

Hope that answers it :)

The general consenus is 10,000 years old for young earth creaitonist. It is immpoisble to infer anything past 2166 BC which is when Abaraham was born. Before that the flood, babel, Job, Adam and Eve, and of course creation are all up in the air. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth. Thats not part of the 7 days and there is nothing to show how long it was before that and the 7 days.

Originally posted by smokemonsc

Interesting thread;

I don't necessarily see God as most Christians do.  I see the Bible as being revealed to humans in a way that could be understood by them at that time.  Furthermore the argument that the world is 6,000 years old according to some bible scholars is rather flaky.  The Bible never says how long its been, every estimate has been inferred based off of the scriptures.

As for the OP's question - I don't think Earth was the first mainly because I don't care what order the Bible says the universe was created nor what time period it may make you believe.  I don't have a problem meshing Evolution with Creation or the possibility of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe.

Hope that answers it :)

Actually, many Christians agree with you about the Bible -- it is the record of God revealing Himself to His children over time. This is why first it was all full of laws and rules, which at first humans needed that to form civilization, then gradually, slowly, adding more and more liberation, until we get to Jesus who "sets us all free."

A very good book on this is Discovering God, one of the few books where the person looksat the growth of religionn the world over anthropologically, but as a person who believes this is wrapped up with huamn spiritual evolution.

Discovering God: The Origins of the Great Religions and the Evolution of Belief by Rodney Stark

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Sabiancym

 C:  God doesn't exist.  Therefore he has created no worlds.

 

Prove God doesn't exist.

 

Prove flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist.

 

You can't.  He very well may exist.  Hey wait, I guess that means the same holds true for God.

Khm ... you want to say police will understand I crashed because flying spaghetti monster flyed by my car disturbing me?

Btw ... maybe do you know for any case anywhere somebody was freed because god orderd him to kill somebody? By your logic it should. Nobody could prove he is lying so should be acceptable in court.

On all the face of the earth the only being that knows its going to die at some point is man.

When God flooded the earth their were only 8 souls saved in all the world.

When God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah their were 4 souls saved among thousands.

What you think of the most,what you talk of the most,and what you do the most in this world, that is what you love the most.

I can say with complete confidence that man is unique in the known universe.

Originally posted by frodus

On all the face of the earth the only being that knows its going to die at some point is man.

When God flooded the earth their were only 8 souls saved in all the world.

When God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah their were 4 souls saved among thousands.

What you think of the most,what you talk of the most,and what you do the most in this world, that is what you love the most.

I can say with complete confidence that man is unique in the known universe.

You forgot to add that this info is from big sci-fi book and not something really happened.

Anyway very bad book, as your supreme being has cruely drowned among other also newborns, small children, ... etc etc ... not having any guilt. If it does really exist such monstruosity ... i do not want to have anything with it.

However ... i do not think this thread belong on mmo site ... but it is difficult to stay quiet when somebody comes up with similar "arguments".

Btw, unfortunately Santa Claus does not exist. I do not need nor miss your supreme being.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

 C:  God doesn't exist.  Therefore he has created no worlds.

This is exactly why the US is going to shit. 

As Ronald Reagan once said:

"If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under."
 

Leave it to the liberal progressives to trash our great Country.

Originally posted by pre_mar

 

However ... i do not think this thread belong on mmo site ... but it is difficult to stay quiet when somebody comes up with similar "arguments".

 

ummm

This is a Religion and Politics area, didn't you read that?.    If you dont like it, go play in the gaming section and leave us nutjobs in peace.

;-)

Originally posted by outfctrl

Originally posted by Sabiancym

 C:  God doesn't exist.  Therefore he has created no worlds.

This is exactly why the US is going to shit. 

As Ronald Reagan once said:

"If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under."
 

Leave it to the liberal progressives to trash our great Country.

 

 

But some of your great (not sarcastic, truely wonderful men) founding fathers were atheist, were they not?. I do not think religion is the key to success of a free country, no matter which fancypants words are quoted.

Originally posted by outfctrl

Originally posted by Sabiancym

 C:  God doesn't exist.  Therefore he has created no worlds.

This is exactly why the US is going to shit. 

As Ronald Reagan once said:

"If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under."
 

Leave it to the liberal progressives to trash our great Country.

 

 

If you really believe that then I implore you to move to the parts of Africa or the middle east where the governments enforce sharia law.

Originally posted by Praetoriani

Originally posted by outfctrl

Originally posted by Sabiancym

 C:  God doesn't exist.  Therefore he has created no worlds.

This is exactly why the US is going to shit. 

As Ronald Reagan once said:

"If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under."
 

Leave it to the liberal progressives to trash our great Country.

 

 

 

But some of your great (not sarcastic, truely wonderful men) founding fathers were atheist, were they not?. I do not think religion is the key to success of a free country, no matter which fancypants words are quoted.

As far as I know, none of the founders were atheists, and I've spent a good deal of time studying their writings on God and such. Could you point me to where you have seen such a thing?

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Praetoriani

Originally posted by outfctrl

Originally posted by Sabiancym

 C:  God doesn't exist.  Therefore he has created no worlds.

This is exactly why the US is going to shit. 

As Ronald Reagan once said:

"If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under."
 

Leave it to the liberal progressives to trash our great Country.

 

 

 

But some of your great (not sarcastic, truely wonderful men) founding fathers were atheist, were they not?. I do not think religion is the key to success of a free country, no matter which fancypants words are quoted.

 

As far as I know, none of the founders were atheists, and I've spent a good deal of time studying their writings on God and such. Could you point me to where you have seen such a thing?

 

Seems I was mistaken, sorry about that. I meant to say that not all of them seemed to be strongly Christian, even in a time where Christianity was the norm. That said, I'm not a star on American history beyond the Clovis People and, to a lesser extent, Mesoamerican and Andean civilizations. Maybe I should keep out of topics where I'm not a hundred percent well versed in.