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cosy
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Joined: 9/15/04
I helped over 300 new players in EvE, how many did you help ? |
i found this game on eve forums and i find some eve features/idea on this game No need for 'grinding'. You can be qualified despite you're not playing, since players get XP even if they are not logged in.
i have to say my first impression was "this is like eve whit robots on planets" want to try eve-online ? i help you-join eve university,L2P-basic guide if you want to understand EvE-Online |
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agreed. i want to find out if it is pvp only or if there will be pve missions as well.
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i have to say my first impression was "this is like eve whit robots on planets"
So its nothing like EVE you just found a comparison between the two games.
Thats like saying Motorbikes are like Cars because they have wheels O.o |
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Well yes maybe some features are similar to eve-online but i say why not personaly i count that as a good thing and i'm looking forowrd to playing beta.
I like robots more than ships anyway plus the fact that skillz keep going while off line is like (get in early) for all the people that will always be behind the uber players on eve. |
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Well UI is a complete rip off of EVE. Some icons are exact copy and some are just re-colored pictures. They haven't even bothered with modifying the stolen art. I'm guessing they are heading for "EVE with Planets and stuff" kind of game. ---------------------------- Retired: UO, EQ, SWG, EQ2, GW, CoX, AoC, WAR. |
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If your right it would be very freakin cool! A sandbox on ground with Mech's sounds like a major win to me! It just seems like most companies lack the patience to allow a sandbox to develop. |
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Ripoff. Not even a good one. No fate but what we make, so make me a ham sandwich please. |
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Originally posted by Spiider
And you know this how random internet poster? ---------- "No, your wrong.." - Random user #123 "Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features. How are you?" -Me |
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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth
And you know this how random internet poster? It's not good yet. It's still in early beta. They haven't even added PvE missions to be tested, or really any content outside of the newbie areas (that I've seen). What's there is a good start though, but it is almost exactly like Eve. The UI, especially the hangar is a direct copy. Combat works exactly the same except that you can manually move around. You target, then click your weapon icons to get them firing. It is most definitely Eve in the mud, an almost direct translation of Eve from spaceships to mechs.
Again, the game needs work, but it's not released. It could very well become a solid game. |
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Calling this game 'EVE in the mud' really isn't doing it justice. How many ways are there to create a unique game experience? Shall we call World of Warcraft EverQuest for noobs? (which it is, in my opinion) Shall we call EVE a copy of a few other spaceship games from the past (which it heavily 'borrows' from). It's got mechs in it, so shouldn't it be more appropriately just a ripoff of Mechwarrior? |
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Originally posted by MagicManICT The UI, many gameplay elements (such as the targetting), and many of the features (pvp, territory control, etc) directly copy Eve. It's not a case of rehashing a similar genre or overall concept, many things have literally been copy-pasted from Eve. That's not to say it's a bad game, because I consider Eve a good game. Perhaps, in the fleshing out that will occur as beta goes it will differentiate itself further from Eve. But right now, the game screams, "I'm based on Eve!". |
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I'm not going to call myself the most adept at MMO history, but even I know that EVE borrowed heavily from a lot of other games out there, including a couple of multiplayer ones. Things get redone the same way because it is efficient. If there was a better way of doing something, it would be done by everyone very shortly. A guy in a chat on EVE linked me to another game that predated EVE by about 5 years and had all the exact same elements: real time markets, spaceships, conquerable territories, etc, etc, etc. The game is still running. Now, doesn't that make EVE a ripoff of something else? (Wish I had the name, but I'm too lazy to sift through a years worth of browser history for something I could care less about.) Has everyone forgot that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? The same targeting system? not hardly, but similar, yes. Play for more than a few hours and get to bigger bots and have to manage multiple targets and you find EVE has a better system (for now). I can think of a few other games that have had a similar targeting system. So how is the PvP a ripoff of EVE and not just a ripoff of every other PvP-centric MMO out there? Is EVE your first MMO? I'm going to guess no, but it's likely the first sandbox MMO for many players. Next, there is no territory contorl in Perpetuum yet, so how can anyone even make a comparison? I know a lot of other games that have territory control. Some of those are similar to EVE if you want to generalize it to the point of "Group A controls this area, Group B controls that area. They fight to take away control from the other group." For those that aren't in the Perpetuum beta or haven't had the chance to read the forums or chat with the devs, a few of the team have played EVE. Sure, it has influenced their decisions. Several more, though, haven't played EVE or are even much of MMO players. There are just certain ways you do things (like market tools) in the world because they've been accepted for generations. Also, there are a LOT of things that aren't implemented yet, so trying to make a comparison is like trying to compare the tires off two cars: one could be a Ferrari, the other a Ford. Both could be sports cars, but you wouldn't know because you don't see the whole picture. Let's discuss what is similar between the two games: Character development, sci-fi setting, combat, open sandbox game. The character development systems are similar in that you gain skills over time. However, EVE isn't the first to come up with this. I can trace the concept back to a couple more obscure bulletin board games and MUDs and some pen and paper RPGs. EVE just made it 'popular' like WoW made MMOs a household name. The setting: not many similarities here other than humans looking to expand off earth in various methods. It's like say 'Star Trek' is similar to 'Star Wars' in background. Combat: yes, there are a lot of similarities here, but I believe the nuances of the two combat systems makes for completely different games. EVE just shoots anything in range. PO has the ability to manipulate line-of-sight. In neither of the games does bigger = better. This is just good design principle when you need to keep game balance in mind between relatively newer players and 3 year vets. The selection of combat modules are almost identical, but then nearly all of the modules have real world counterparts: ECM/ECCM, extra sensors (FLIR anyone? AWACS?), etc. so arguing that ripping off EVE is probably being short-sighted in what else is out there in the world that could be used as inspiration. Open sandbox: hardly anything CCP can claim copyright, patent, or even ownership of. This dates back to some of the early MUDs for electronic gaming. In conclusion, opinion can be tossed around, but without in-depth analysis, it's just uninformed voodoo beliefs, not a grounded opinion. Perpetuum Online shares a lot of things with EVE just like it shares with many other past and present games. Saying it's a ripoff, even of just one game, ignores so many other facts about the situation. I'll leave everyone to do a bit more digging and find what inspired CCP in the development of EVE and maybe what they 'ripped off' of someone else. |
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Originally posted by MagicManICT Agree. |
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