Originally posted by Ibluerate

If anyone has seen the movie "Surrogates", that was funny.

Yea the fat hairy guy who was the hot blond, I LOL'd.

Anyway two reasons I play a chick toon

1. Despite dev's statement, chick toons are always shorter and slighter. In all pvp smaller is harder to see, harder to target and harder to hit. My tiny chick toons almost always elude player aggro.

2. If your gonna watch a ass running across your screen all day want it to be a hairy dudes, or a hot chicks ass?

@ Rothbard; Man, you seem to be set in your ways so im not writing with the purpose of changing your mind about this, but rather hope we may get to some middle ground on this discussion.

If you lived upstrem of a river and owned all the land around it, there would be nothing preventing you from building a dam and selling your neighbors the water. Ofc if there is no police, theres nothing preventing them from marching down on your property and putting your head in a pike. If you dont have enough resources to defend yourself youll have to submit. And theres always the chance whoever lives upstream from you will pull the same shenanigan. People will always look out for themselves and let the rest be damned, for this reason ethic systems will never work on their own. Read up on hippy communes, it wasnt all the guys there who got to sleep with the pretty girls and do nothing but drugs all day. Most got to do the gruntwork and had to compete for the ugly girls affections.

Someone needs to step in, and rather than it being the strongest guy, democracy allows you to choose who will be in power. Power is useless without force, and the only way a court system can enforce its rulings is through a police arm. Thats the reason you can sign a contract and expect others to back it up. And btw an offer is a contract, all it requires is someone to accept it. Thats the reason you can sue a company if what they offer you has a different price than advertised. Regulation takes many forms; people providing you with food are supposed to do so with hygiene (you can sue if their negligence makes you sick) and so on...

Ofc another thing about regulations is that they manage to keep things civil. Your credit card cant decide overnight to double your interest rate (i know it seems that way but its tricky) and most service providers are expected to conform to certain rules so you dont have to take them to court over every little thing. This is where we get to discrimination. Youre free to deny entry to whoever you want to your home but not to your bussiness. Why? Because it keeps things fair. Imagine your son got shot and the MDs where bigoted against whatever your kind is. Imagine they refuse treatment. No ethics or moral system is going to stop you from holding them to gunpoint and forcing them to save your childs life. So we now have laws against discrimination to prevent just that from happening, a doctor better have a good reason (like triage) to refuse treating you in an emergency. And you dont have to be humilliated either at the dry cleaners or the grocery store. Or an MMO.

Its the same thing, this MMO has taken it upon themselves to decide who gets to play and how for whatever arbitrary reason. You seem to agree with their prerogative but really what about everyone elses right? Even if they boycott the game theres no guarantee it it will make a difference and asking people to wait for change doesnt take into account the fact that none of us really have that much to live. Think it through mate, theirs is a bussiness not a thing of principle which you can do non profit. There is such a thing as a social contract and you cant be made to sign away certain rights.

IMO, I don't mind dudes playing chicks in games. If thats how you wanna go about it, feel free to do so. What kind of annoys me, is dudes playing girls pretending to be girls.I don't mean to be homophobic or anything, but it just weirds me out.    

 internet win? country win? political win? So many wins which one is the best...HMMMM..........

 I could give two fucks less if a male or a female is on the other end of the computer... they're still a person. You should not treat someone different just because of their sex... even if their avatar is representative of a male OR a female.

I don't care if the person on the other end is playing an appropriate RACE or COLOR either...  How many goddamned Tauren Females do you know? Undead Males? High Elf Females? Are people who are asian, black, white supposed to use the appropriate skin tone that they REALLY are in REAL LIFE... just to convey it into a GAME?

I'm sorry, but if people are cruising for a piece of virtual ass... being turned on and manipulated by a cartoon image with text... you really need to rethink your social skills and seek help and guidance from a counselor.

By the way, I know a few women who don't mind playing "male" toons... just so they don't get hit on.

Sadly, I was playing DFO as the Fighter (which is female) and got into a group where a person was trying to hit on the Mage (little girl) and get him/her to confirm his suspicion that he/she was indeed a female. He then asked if I was a female. I laughed and said "lol No I'm a guy". He then told me that was creepy that I was playing a girl. I told him pretty much the same thing as above, it doesn't matter if its a male or female on the other end, they're a person... treat them equally. He agreed... and I told him "Besides, maybe I'm really a girl... saying I'm a guy just so I don't get hit on..." LMFAO, then he started PM'ing me making "idle chat" as I laughed my ass off.

Besides... if guys didn't use female avatars... neither would females. They'd have more spam to deal with on a daily basis than all the goldfarmers in WoW, Aion, and Runescape combined. Now there'd be the one or two that would thrive off of the drama they could create with that kind of power... but for the most part the mature women would be too busy /ignore people than to actually play the game.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

China is a communist country. There is no right to privacy there.

The fact that it is a communist country is not what determines if there are or are not, privacy laws.  At its core, communism is an econominc philosophy.  It has no bearing on things like privacy issues or other such matters.  The lack of privacy laws and other such "democratic" beliefs comes from their leaders and their beliefs, not the economic philosophy.  America could very well become a communist country and in my opinion it should.  But democratic communism is what you'd end up with here, not totalitarian communism, which is what you have there.

It's not China who is banning it, it's one company and only one game. I'm sure there's "services" where you need to identify yourself too in the West, not that big of a deal and frankly who cares what China does, they have tons of weird policies.

They check every single character by web cam??  They must not have many customers.  Imagine if wow tried to do that.  It would take them 10 years to check every toon.

Originally posted by fangoram

IMO, I don't mind dudes playing chicks in games. If thats how you wanna go about it, feel free to do so. What kind of annoys me, is dudes playing girls pretending to be girls.I don't mean to be homophobic or anything, but it just weirds me out.    

This. I honestly don't care if you play a hermaphrodite, just don't act like you're really a girl if you're not. It's insulting and when people find out, they tend to get upset. Especially if you are acting like the opposite sex just to get free loot, gold, etc.

Originally posted by CymTyr

 

This. I honestly don't care if you play a hermaphrodite, just don't act like you're really a girl if you're not. It's insulting and when people find out, they tend to get upset. Especially if you are acting like the opposite sex just to get free loot, gold, etc.

How is this different from a real girl doing that. It's not any different.

If guys fall for that, they have another lesson learned, that girls are able to manipulate them.

Originally posted by pepsibottle

Originally posted by CymTyr

 

This. I honestly don't care if you play a hermaphrodite, just don't act like you're really a girl if you're not. It's insulting and when people find out, they tend to get upset. Especially if you are acting like the opposite sex just to get free loot, gold, etc.

 

How is this different from a real girl doing that. It's not any different.

If guys fall for that, they have another lesson learned, that girls are able to manipulate them.

Because they've learned the only way they can get women to like them and pay attention to them is to give them free stuff, and treat them extra special. Or maybe they are EXPECTING something in return...? If people treat women like whores, then they deserve to get a "Oh by the way, thanks for all the free stuff, but I'm a guy LOLOLOLOLOL"

But here's food for thought... how would a person "really know" even if a person confessed it? If I was a woman (maybe I am who knows) I'd happily take their stuff, and then just to add massive amounts of butthurt, say that I was a guy and laugh in his face, take a screenshot and post it in the forums.

The webcam thing is way too much to ask imo, but I have experiemented with concepts where I am trying to discourage gender-bending characters to support better social aspects, among other things like in-game dating (it's a social game - don't bite my head off). What I would do for this specific concept is give you one character, and it's gender is dependant on the info you put in your account info. You can lie on it, but there is no stopping it - at least it means people will buy 2 copies and handle both via cash-shop... and that was kinda the marketing angle for it to begin with, heh (evil).

As for this, it doesn't seem like they are trying to "fix the social issues" of a game as much as keep more information on the people playing. I'm not one to jump communists for  whatever they choose to do, but no other government spies on thier own people more than countries like Cuba, China, etc.

Originally posted by Lansid

But here's food for thought... how would a person "really know" even if a person confessed it? If I was a woman (maybe I am who knows) I'd happily take their stuff, and then just to add massive amounts of butthurt, say that I was a guy and laugh in his face, take a screenshot and post it in the forums.

It would probably be a lot worse, I can imagine guys handing over RL money etc. Wasn't there a guy posting here that he had other guys who paid his subscription money and his games, thinking he was a girl.

You know what's interesting, why are females using this exploitation technique and not males. Males only learned this trick from females, males never did this at first. Why...it's not that guys couldn't pull this off if they wanted to, MMO show they can, they could make females pay for them and buy them stuff....why don't they do this. I think it shows how bad some girls treat guys and how some guys are wussies and let it happen.

Of all the stuff to worry about, this is too funny. Thanks for the comedy.

People are playing trolls, cows, midgets, cats, and whatever else that are in games. I mean really, people need to get their heads examined if playing an opposite gender bothers them.

I think there must be a logical reason,Shanda is huge ,they are the giant over their,and yet they choose only ONE game to enforce this?I think that shows there is something in the make up of the game and IDK maybe some possible law suits from it,so they are covering their ass.

What if they're a TARP?!

WHAT DO

I think it's pretty extreme BUT i always have felt weird ever trying out a Female avatar. What if they think I'm a girl? Its just creepy.

Also, I new  a guy once who purposely acted female in games so that male players would suck up to her (*him) and give her (*him) extra help and money, lol.

I suppose they could do it so that it displayed the actual player's actual gender on Info tab of the avatar when you inspect them, while letting all players role female avatars.

I agree its kind of annoying to have to reveal your gender, but far better than there being offenders on the loose! Mind you, they would still just find a way around it anyway and the system would be probably exploited even more, and cause more problems because people would actually be convinced that the displayed genders were true.

Sorry my grammar is messed.

What does offenders on the loose mean?

ZOMG! You were hitting on a guy... lolurgay!

Really, if you feel the need to hook up with female avatars go to Second Life and stay out of rpgs...

I have TWO accounts on WOW - MY personal account and a memorial account in honor of my late MURDERED wife (TRUE STORY.)

All toons on my accounts are male - on my wife's account all toons are female.

I DO have a problem with the semi-requirement of making MALE spellcasters wear DRESSES or suffer a penalty in equipment buffs because TUNICS are not not optionally available with the same buffs  as DRESSES (Robes) And don't give me the story that it is standard equipment for those classes.

This is a manufactured impression generated by groups for whatever reason - like Witches are all old ugly females IRL - WRONG.  I have been a Wiccan High Priest for over twenty years (my wife was my High Priestess) and our men wear TUNICS and Trousers. I know many other groups with the same attitudes.

If a company is so stupid as to limit the right of a player to play the opposite sex (for whatever reason) they deserve to go out of business. Unfortunately there are probably enough Dipsticks out there that think their way to keep them alive.

Originally posted by Vendegaar

I have TWO accounts on WOW - MY personal account and a memorial account in honor of my late MURDERED wife (TRUE STORY.)

All toons on my accounts are male - on my wife's account all toons are female.

I DO have a problem with the semi-requirement of making MALE spellcasters wear DRESSES or suffer a penalty in equipment buffs because TUNICS are not not optionally available with the same buffs  as DRESSES (Robes) And don't give me the story that it is standard equipment for those classes.

This is a manufactured impression generated by groups for whatever reason - like Witches are all old ugly females IRL - WRONG.  I have been a Wiccan High Priest for over twenty years (my wife was my High Priestess) and our men wear TUNICS and Trousers. I know many other groups with the same attitudes.

If a company is so stupid as to limit the right of a player to play the opposite sex (for whatever reason) they deserve to go out of business. Unfortunately there are probably enough Dipsticks out there that think their way to keep them alive.

RAWWWWRRRRR!!!!!!!! Mr. made up weird story about murdered wife. What the hell is so horrible about male toons wearing ROBES, not dresses, i mean i guess you could call them dresses but it was my understanding that these things were usually robes or kilt type vestiments... And as for your comment about IRL robe wearing and such, who gives a flying fuck about that. Besides your a wiccan... lol only slightly better than a scientologist. 

1. Status Quo- The way things are, the way the people in power like it
2. Responsibilty- The premeditated desire to performa an act in response to some decision or condition
3. Accountability- Being held to task for some action or inaction

• Government- body which determines for many actions who is accountable
• public service- type of service wherein the normal accepted responsibility is to the people. This is almost always an implied moral charge, as opposed to a government or legal edict of accountability.

So, doctors shouldn't refuse to treat, nor lawyers refuse a case (a staggering concept) for 'personal' reasons. The nature of their jobs as a public service (even in private practice) implies a moral duty- even if legally they can often do what they want.

Want to discriminate? don't go into public service. Obviously it doesn't work this way- but maybe one day people will be caring enough to do the right thing when it's inconvenient- maybe even when it's not ridiculously profitable.

But the government- generally considered charged with 'protecting the people', lets 'businesses' run slipshod over people because of the 'golden rule' (who has the gold, rules)- thereby reinforcing the 'status quo'.

Your right to lawful assembly is practically useless, or picket a store inside a mall- there's so much 'private property'. So you are 'loosing' rights to corporations because the government allows non-compliance with the 'public good'. (assuming there is such a thing).

Anyway. The business in question knows it can get away with the shenanigans, so it is an issue of 'chinese goverment' to some degree, just like the pharmacutical companies reaming american citizens is a matter of our government as well. The right to a profit should never outweigh a right to human survival- but- it does. In our country and probably a few third world countries.

Anyway. Read your Blizzard TOS. If you squint you can see what you gave up to them. It's the same all over- just a matter of degree.

Originally posted by ghostofspuds

Originally posted by Vendegaar

I have TWO accounts on WOW - MY personal account and a memorial account in honor of my late MURDERED wife (TRUE STORY.)

All toons on my accounts are male - on my wife's account all toons are female.

I DO have a problem with the semi-requirement of making MALE spellcasters wear DRESSES or suffer a penalty in equipment buffs because TUNICS are not not optionally available with the same buffs  as DRESSES (Robes) And don't give me the story that it is standard equipment for those classes.

This is a manufactured impression generated by groups for whatever reason - like Witches are all old ugly females IRL - WRONG.  I have been a Wiccan High Priest for over twenty years (my wife was my High Priestess) and our men wear TUNICS and Trousers. I know many other groups with the same attitudes.

If a company is so stupid as to limit the right of a player to play the opposite sex (for whatever reason) they deserve to go out of business. Unfortunately there are probably enough Dipsticks out there that think their way to keep them alive.

RAWWWWRRRRR!!!!!!!! Mr. made up weird story about murdered wife. What the hell is so horrible about male toons wearing ROBES, not dresses, i mean i guess you could call them dresses but it was my understanding that these things were usually robes or kilt type vestiments... And as for your comment about IRL robe wearing and such, who gives a flying fuck about that. Besides your a wiccan... lol only slightly better than a scientologist. 

Sounds like I hit a nerve on someone who is a bit brainwashed (someone jump on your enema bag?)

In the USA we have the right to choose our own religion - guaranteed by the Constitution - not necessarily what someone else THINKS is the proper way to believe. I do not pay much attention to the MINORITY who think THEIR religion is the ONLY one. Check out CHURCH statistics - NOT stupid biased PAID FOR POLLS

And FYI - the part about my wife is true - whether you believe it or not. I really don't care.

As for the ROBES (DRESSES) I'm not into cross dressing - sounds like YOU might be.

I don't really get the big deal with any of this. I play both genders of characters in games. I base my choice of which I will play based on their character models and animations. Personally the female ones look better most of the time so I play them more often than not. I have not come across too many people that care about any of that anyways. Usually everyone is in vent together talking and everyone knows its just a toon.

Some people just need to learn to stop taking things for face value. I never thought I would see so many people complaining here about this. Based on a lot of opinions here guys shouldn't play Tomb Raider because the main character is a female, and girls shouldn't play ummmm well 90% of the games out there because they have a male lead. It is just a game people, grow up and deal with it and stop thinking of only cyber sex.

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Originally posted by ozerinx
You've been trolling this thread and venting about china for the past 9 pages. You need some therapy.
I am not from China I dislike their government and policies myself but to talk shit about a country that you only know about through media/news is naive.

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I wish people would stop quoting page numbers as a measure of time or distance or whatever. Your page numbers might not correspond to my page numbers. You can change the post limit in your settings. You could actually use a measure of time if you wanted to, or something else. Just saying.

As for the debate, I think China's evil. I think most people understand this. I think most people want to stop them but don't know how. We should work on this. But their control over what gender avatars you play is the least of our worries with them, you know?

Originally posted by Vendegaar

Originally posted by ghostofspuds

Originally posted by Vendegaar

I have TWO accounts on WOW - MY personal account and a memorial account in honor of my late MURDERED wife (TRUE STORY.)

All toons on my accounts are male - on my wife's account all toons are female.

I DO have a problem with the semi-requirement of making MALE spellcasters wear DRESSES or suffer a penalty in equipment buffs because TUNICS are not not optionally available with the same buffs  as DRESSES (Robes) And don't give me the story that it is standard equipment for those classes.

This is a manufactured impression generated by groups for whatever reason - like Witches are all old ugly females IRL - WRONG.  I have been a Wiccan High Priest for over twenty years (my wife was my High Priestess) and our men wear TUNICS and Trousers. I know many other groups with the same attitudes.

If a company is so stupid as to limit the right of a player to play the opposite sex (for whatever reason) they deserve to go out of business. Unfortunately there are probably enough Dipsticks out there that think their way to keep them alive.

RAWWWWRRRRR!!!!!!!! Mr. made up weird story about murdered wife. What the hell is so horrible about male toons wearing ROBES, not dresses, i mean i guess you could call them dresses but it was my understanding that these things were usually robes or kilt type vestiments... And as for your comment about IRL robe wearing and such, who gives a flying fuck about that. Besides your a wiccan... lol only slightly better than a scientologist. 

Sounds like I hit a nerve on someone who is a bit brainwashed (someone jump on your enema bag?)

In the USA we have the right to choose our own religion - guaranteed by the Constitution - not necessarily what someone else THINKS is the proper way to believe. I do not pay much attention to the MINORITY who think THEIR religion is the ONLY one. Check out CHURCH statistics - NOT stupid biased PAID FOR POLLS

And FYI - the part about my wife is true - whether you believe it or not. I really don't care.

As for the ROBES (DRESSES) I'm not into cross dressing - sounds like YOU might be.

 

Well you are quite the little bitch aren't you? Lol at you for the wife thing douche. Wiccans are all tards. If anyone is brainwashed its you (please drink the Kool Aid!). I dont follow any religion because i havent found one that I like. And wearing ROBES and KILTS and a number of other clothes is not cross dressing you insecure little donkey raping faggit. Lots of cultures have men that wear these sorts of things all the time. (BTW never had an enema, sounds like fun though).

Now normally i would never be the troll like this but you my friend are just too tempting.