Originally posted by Wyldsong 

 

Yes Darth, you caught me in my evil agenda to show the world that you are in fact a hypocrite.

I didn't spin, I did change your words in my paraphrasing (hence the statement that I was paraphrasing), but here is the exact wording from the initial post, copied directly from it:

"Haters bring up x-fire total number to prove something."

What did Javac do? He brought up xfire numbers to prove something.  Simple as that, an open and shut case.  There is no arguing that.  Xyzax stated he must be a hater for doing the same thing you stated the haters do.  And then you try and say it was okay for Javac to do it because in your opinion he was being constructive?

You don't get it both ways Darth.  You are a walking contradiction, you know that?

As for distraction techniques...paranoia much? Are they all out to get you? What am I distracting from? I didn't come into this fighting for one side or the other.  So what am I distracting from if the posts I have made are leading to the same subject? Review this thread, where have I argued anything about DFO versus other games? That is not what I am doing here.  I am doing nothing more than pointing out your own hypocrisy.  That is it. 

Stop adding chapters to this book that were never written to begin with.  Like I said, you are a walking contradiction.

And just another question...if the original post dealt with a screenshot and xfire numbers, why are you asking for screenshots from the "haters" game (which must include DFO, because we have now shown that yes, even DFO players can be haters by your own words)? What does that have to do with what DFO "renders", screenshots, xfire numbers, and you being a hypocrite? Especially when you are asking for this in reference to my posts calling you out on being a hypocrite, and quite simply pointing out the hypocrisy of your posts, and not truly arguing DFO versus other games? Please, explain, I need some more entertainment.

Spin and divert, spin and divert, like you always do.  I am truly curious to see this one.

You create an whole alternate universe from that single sentence i wrote ? You have to write some novels, you must cultivate these talent of  yours.

Of course your current fictional story  includes a dishonest way of citing what i wrote, interpret with pretty low accuracy  the meaning of it. We see all the elements of manipulation, putiing words i did never say, ignoring what i really say, putting my statements in wrong context.

From your reply to cecropia, we know you don't want to really discuss..so..

But i will answer to your question because i am not like you ..

OP's  screenshot show how a considerable amount of people having fun in game, they share the same content and share it in the same spot a litle corner of Agon. Haters flame the game in these topic about the numbers. So please, a picture of their favorite game having million subscribers should easy show an comparable amount of people on a single screenshot, sharing the same content in the same area. It must be easy or ?

You don't play together with millions, do you ? You share always content with a limited amount of people in a limited area. Not every customer of the game interacts with you in the same time, in the same spot sharing the same content.

Op picture shows 41 people (not my number) that do these despite x-fire totals  or even other total numbers mentioned and tossed around.

 Your favorite games have millions of  customers , it should be easy to screenshot at least 41 of them doing something together like shown in OP screenshot..

OP screenshot still owns ...

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Haters bring up x-fire total number to prove something.

 

Really?

 

Hmm...

www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/246485/DF-subs-increasing-rapidly.html

 

So, all this time and Javac was a "Hater".  Good to see that you are only dealing with facts here Darth. 

Or perhaps you were trying to be sarcastic with your statement above? 

 

 Javac is not a hater because he said something constructive.

"almost 100% growth in playtime according to XFire in a single month."

He just states a fact that was right by the time he posted these. There are even no conclusions drawn in relation to health , longetivity or anything  of  Darkfall just an increase and the most you could assume from his statement is something like "Darkfall populations increases". 

 

But here you can see hate.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/view/forums/thread/255912/Massively-Dead-by-Design.html

"I laughed out loud. Darkfalls massively dead "by design".

XFIRE Score of Fail

 

78 people Woot thats the population that still plays Battlefield 2 modern combat for xbox 360."

 

I was assuming you would know the difference between those 2 posts, i mean alone the language used should have give you a hint.

 

 

 

 

Ahh... I see.
 

I guess I am a bit more consistent when it comes to X-Fire numbers then.

I'm not really concerned with the agenda of the particular poster using the X-Fire numbers.  No matter who is using them, I don't think they really show much of anything other than perhaps how many X-Fire users there are.

However, I think where some may have a disconnect with your analysis is this:

If in one thread you think it is perfectly logical for a poster to draw the conclusion that:

"DarkFall populations increases" when X-Fire numbers go up...

Then it is by default necessary to also state that:

"DarkFall populations decreases" when X-Fire numbers go down.

If on the other hand; you don't think the numbers of X-Fire mean anything (up or down) then you can be more concerned with the actual use or agenda of said poster.

As soon as you give credence to X-Fire numbers showing an increase in populaion when they are positvie you accept the responsibility of accepting a decline in X-Fire numbers means a decrease in population.  The particular agenda of why a poster is using the numbers doesn't really matter at that juncture.  Afterall, the number speak for themselves.

Hope that helps out. 

It's really quite simple. X-Fire is one, of many possible, forms of establishing population trends trends. Not the best one, bot the worst one. It shows that DFO has less people playing now than some time ago.

It can be used also for other games, but it is no indicative of total playing numbers. The same diminishing trend can be seen, for instance, in AoC, a fact that can be corroborated by people playing that game.

Really, it is as simple as that. You can see the same thing going on here. This forum was much busier, but now only a handful of people post in it. Again, a trend: less people playing/interested in the game.

We won't have absolute numbers unless AV releases them officially. And it won't happen in our lifetime.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

 

You create an whole alternate universe from that single sentence i wrote ? You have to write some novels, you must cultivate these talent of  yours.

Of course your current fictional story  includes a dishonest way of citing what i wrote, interpret with pretty low accuracy  the meaning of it. We see all the elements of manipulation, putiing words i did never say, ignoring what i really say, putting my statements in wrong context.

From your reply to cecropia, we know you don't want to really discuss..so..

But i will answer to your question because i am not like you ..

OP's  screenshot show how a considerable amount of people having fun in game, they share the same content and share it in the same spot a litle corner of Agon. Haters flame the game in these topic about the numbers. So please, a picture of their favorite game having million subscribers should easy show an comparable amount of people on a single screenshot, sharing the same content in the same area. It must be easy or ?

You don't play together with millions, do you ? You share always content with a limited amount of people in a limited area. Not every customer of the game interacts with you in the same time, in the same spot sharing the same content.

Op picture shows 41 people (not my number) that do these despite x-fire totals  or even other total numbers mentioned and tossed around.

 Your favorite games have millions of  customers , it should be easy to screenshot at least 41 of them doing something together like shown in OP screenshot..

OP screenshot still owns ...

 

 

 

 

Alright we have hypocrisy, Darth being a walking contradiction and Javac being a hater as stated by Darth...let's tie it all together using Darth's own words. No paraphrasing, no retyping of his words, but the actual physical words copied from their very own posts. Nothing but the truth here. Let's break it down, shall we?

--Haters bring up x-fire total number to prove something.

– Javac is not a hater because he said something constructive.
"almost 100% growth in playtime according to XFire in a single month."
He just states a fact that was right by the time he posted these. There are even no conclusions drawn in relation to health , longetivity or anything of Darkfall just an increase and the most you could assume from his statement is something like "Darkfall populations increases".

-- DF subs increasing rapidly (title to Javac's xfire thread, again Javac's words)

-- Snippet from post number 28 from the linked thread (Javac's words): Ave are about to open a third server, official forum registered accounts are still going up by 500 per week, clan counts from the actual game show an steady upward trend since the expansion and now xfire also shows solid growth in both users and playtime. quite the contrast to eg: WAR which has now closed 63 servers since release, or AOC which is also on life support.

So, here are the key pieces of evidence. Let's dissect:

--Javac is not a hater because he said something constructive.
"almost 100% growth in playtime according to XFire in a single month."
He just states a fact that was right by the time he posted these. There are even no conclusions drawn in relation to health , longetivity or anything of Darkfall just an increase and the most you could assume from his statement is something like "Darkfall populations increases".--

For one, Javac being constructive in his post is merely a matter of opinion. Javac was rarely, if ever truly constructive, and much like you, had an agenda to push, and that was the defense of DFO. In YOUR opinion, he was being constructive. That is not a fact, but a matter of opinion. But you also state he posted a fact, he drew no conclusions relating to the health, longevity, or anything of DFO, and that was simply a statement of fact. You even pull the wording from that first post to back your play.

So, let's look at what you omitted. For one, the title: DF subs increasing rapidly. Let's also check out a snippet from post #28 from the same thread (yes, there was a line before and after that was omitted, but nothing that changes the intent):

"Ave are about to open a third server, official forum registered accounts are still going up by 500 per week, clan counts from the actual game show an steady upward trend since the expansion and now xfire also shows solid growth in both users and playtime. quite the contrast to eg: WAR which has now closed 63 servers since release, or AOC which is also on life support."

What is a key sign to the health of a game? Number of subs/players. It is that simple What is the title of that thread? Yup, DFO subs increasing rapidly. And what is he talking about in that piece above? Upward trends, xfire numbers showing solid growth, a third server and contrasting it to two other games he states are on life support? Life support...hmmm...keeping things alive...wow, the health of a game. But didn't you state that he didn't draw any conclusions as to the health of the game? Whether it was the first post, or post 100, he shows us his intent in those words.

Hell, I could draw those conclusions of what he was trying to do based off of the intent of his past posts, and based off of the title of the initially linked post. What does this all mean? Well, the title of the post, DF subs increasing rapidly, the link supporting that claim, and the further post enforcing the idea that he is trying to get a point out and is indeed talking about the health of the game...wow, I think he could be trying to prove a point. I mean, everything he posted was backing what the title of the thread stated, using xfire numbers to even back that...wait, was he making a point using xfire numbers? I think he was.

What was that you said initially about people using xfire numbers to make a point, ie - proving something?

Haters bring up x-fire total number to prove something.

The words are straight from the horses mouth. No embellishment, no changing, just the straight facts. I didn't pull these from an alternate universe. I pulled this from the very forums we are now posting on. By your own words, Javac is a hater. Haters are on all sides of the fence.

Contradictions, your spin, and your hypocrisy. It's all there cupcake. No paraphrasing, right in front of your eyes.
My original point sticks bub. You are a hypocrite.

Oh, and I am still waiting for some explanations...like why do haters (which by your words includes DFO players) need to provide a screen shot of their game in relation to a thread dealing with xfire numbers and a DFO screen shot and how does that all relate to me pointing out that you are a hypocrite? To refresh your memory:

Probably a diversionary tactic, we still have to see a current screenhot from a favorite game of the haters showing what Darkfall renders and still that does not stop them venomenous attacks or diversionary tactics.

I mean, you give me some sort of reasoning as to why a screen shot is needed. You talk about a considerable amount, which last count was apprx 41 or so? 41 people is considerable? Google is your friend bub. Do some searches, detailed research. You can find screenies with a a lot of players online at once having fun. Hell, they even had 40 man raids in WoW (40 on screen at once). That is comparable to the number of people you see on that screen. I don't need to provide a screen shot, because that has nothing to do with what I have said, or even the main point of this thread.

This thread started out as DFO and xfire. Not how many players are in the screenshot versus how many players we can find in screenshots of other games. That has nothing to do with me calling you a hypocrite. That is you living in your alternate universe, adding chapters to the book that weren't there to begin with, and you trying to divert attention from the matter at hand.

I am glad you think the screenshot owns. Glad you like it. I have seen more people on a screen with my own eyes, but I am not arguing numbers of players on a screen at once. I am pointing out that you are a hypocrite.

Just an fyi, as you can see, this all did not come from just a single statement or sentence. You have been digging for a few posts now, and everything I have stated all relates back to my original post calling you a hypocrite.

And yes, I do this to pass the time. Good catch on that. It still doesn't change the facts.  You are a hypocrite.  Enjoy!
 

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Haters bring up x-fire total number to prove something.

 

Really?

 

Hmm...

www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/246485/DF-subs-increasing-rapidly.html

 

So, all this time and Javac was a "Hater".  Good to see that you are only dealing with facts here Darth. 

Or perhaps you were trying to be sarcastic with your statement above? 

 

 Javac is not a hater because he said something constructive.

"almost 100% growth in playtime according to XFire in a single month."

He just states a fact that was right by the time he posted these. There are even no conclusions drawn in relation to health , longetivity or anything  of  Darkfall just an increase and the most you could assume from his statement is something like "Darkfall populations increases". 

 

But here you can see hate.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/view/forums/thread/255912/Massively-Dead-by-Design.html

"I laughed out loud. Darkfalls massively dead "by design".

XFIRE Score of Fail

 

78 people Woot thats the population that still plays Battlefield 2 modern combat for xbox 360."

 

I was assuming you would know the difference between those 2 posts, i mean alone the language used should have give you a hint.

 

 

 

 

Ahh... I see.
 

 

I guess I am a bit more consistent when it comes to X-Fire numbers then.

I'm not really concerned with the agenda of the particular poster using the X-Fire numbers.  No matter who is using them, I don't think they really show much of anything other than perhaps how many X-Fire users there are.

 

However, I think where some may have a disconnect with your analysis is this:

If in one thread you think it is perfectly logical for a poster to draw the conclusion that:

"DarkFall populations increases" when X-Fire numbers go up...

 

Then it is by default necessary to also state that:

"DarkFall populations decreases" when X-Fire numbers go down.

 

If on the other hand; you don't think the numbers of X-Fire mean anything (up or down) then you can be more concerned with the actual use or agenda of said poster.

As soon as you give credence to X-Fire numbers showing an increase in populaion when they are positvie you accept the responsibility of accepting a decline in X-Fire numbers means a decrease in population.  The particular agenda of why a poster is using the numbers doesn't really matter at that juncture.  Afterall, the number speak for themselves.

 

Hope that helps out. 

I mentioned already i don't use x-fire, if mine presence don't get counted by X-fire how i would believe in that numbers . Our whole clan decided after problems with x-fire in another MMO to not use it.

IMO the X-fire population in Darkfall is even too small to value tendencies like increase or decrease. If for some reason a clan with 70 members with an heavy x-fire using behaviour joins or leaves DF it would double or void x-fire numbers :/

You may be also surprised about my thoughts on the real total numbers. i don't mind them. And here comes how i interpret these screenshot from OP. Total numbers etc. are abstract numbers i will always work and share content in the game with a limited amount of people that will be a fraction from these total numbers.
OP picture show 41 people on one side and there are people on the other side too. That is not a small number of people sharing content (in these case a Siege). Ok i understand the chances will be higher to meat more people if the total number is higher. But looking at these screenshot i am not concerned about that yet.
 

Originally posted by Wyldsong

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

 

You create an whole alternate universe from that single sentence i wrote ? You have to write some novels, you must cultivate these talent of  yours.

Of course your current fictional story  includes a dishonest way of citing what i wrote, interpret with pretty low accuracy  the meaning of it. We see all the elements of manipulation, putiing words i did never say, ignoring what i really say, putting my statements in wrong context.

From your reply to cecropia, we know you don't want to really discuss..so..

But i will answer to your question because i am not like you ..

OP's  screenshot show how a considerable amount of people having fun in game, they share the same content and share it in the same spot a litle corner of Agon. Haters flame the game in these topic about the numbers. So please, a picture of their favorite game having million subscribers should easy show an comparable amount of people on a single screenshot, sharing the same content in the same area. It must be easy or ?

You don't play together with millions, do you ? You share always content with a limited amount of people in a limited area. Not every customer of the game interacts with you in the same time, in the same spot sharing the same content.

Op picture shows 41 people (not my number) that do these despite x-fire totals  or even other total numbers mentioned and tossed around.

 Your favorite games have millions of  customers , it should be easy to screenshot at least 41 of them doing something together like shown in OP screenshot..

OP screenshot still owns ...

 

 

 

 

 

Alright we have hypocrisy, Darth being a walking contradiction (your opinion) and Javac being a hater as stated by Darth (wrong i stead the opposite)...let's tie it all together using Darth's own words. No paraphrasing, no retyping of his words, but the actual physical words copied from their very own posts. Nothing but the truth here. Let's break it down, shall we?

 

--Haters bring up x-fire total number to prove something.

 

– Javac is not a hater because he said something constructive.
"almost 100% growth in playtime according to XFire in a single month."
He just states a fact that was right by the time he posted these. There are even no conclusions drawn in relation to health , longetivity or anything of Darkfall just an increase and the most you could assume from his statement is something like "Darkfall populations increases".

 

-- DF subs increasing rapidly (title to Javac's xfire thread, again Javac's words)

 

-- Snippet from post number 28 from the linked thread (Javac's words): Ave are about to open a third server, official forum registered accounts are still going up by 500 per week, clan counts from the actual game show an steady upward trend since the expansion and now xfire also shows solid growth in both users and playtime. quite the contrast to eg: WAR which has now closed 63 servers since release, or AOC which is also on life support.

 

So, here are the key pieces of evidence. Let's dissect:

 

--Javac is not a hater because he said something constructive.
"almost 100% growth in playtime according to XFire in a single month."
He just states a fact that was right by the time he posted these. There are even no conclusions drawn in relation to health , longetivity or anything of Darkfall just an increase and the most you could assume from his statement is something like "Darkfall populations increases".--

 

For one, Javac being constructive in his post is merely a matter of opinion. Javac was rarely, if ever truly constructive, and much like you, had an agenda to push, and that was the defense of DFO. In YOUR opinion, he was being constructive. That is not a fact, but a matter of opinion. But you also state he posted a fact, he drew no conclusions relating to the health, longevity, or anything of DFO, and that was simply a statement of fact. You even pull the wording from that first post to back your play.

 

So, let's look at what you omitted. For one, the title: DF subs increasing rapidly. Let's also check out a snippet from post #28 from the same thread (yes, there was a line before and after that was omitted, but nothing that changes the intent):   (i didn't read a whole topic from months ago just because a link has been tossed at me)

 

"Ave are about to open a third server, official forum registered accounts are still going up by 500 per week, clan counts from the actual game show an steady upward trend since the expansion and now xfire also shows solid growth in both users and playtime. quite the contrast to eg: WAR which has now closed 63 servers since release, or AOC which is also on life support."

 

What is a key sign to the health of a game? Number of subs/players. It is that simple What is the title of that thread? Yup, DFO subs increasing rapidly. And what is he talking about in that piece above? Upward trends, xfire numbers showing solid growth, a third server and contrasting it to two other games he states are on life support? Life support...hmmm...keeping things alive...wow, the health of a game. But didn't you state that he didn't draw any conclusions as to the health of the game? Whether it was the first post, or post 100, he shows us his intent in those words.

 

Hell, I could draw those conclusions of what he was trying to do based off of the intent of his past posts, and based off of the title of the initially linked post. What does this all mean? Well, the title of the post, DF subs increasing rapidly, the link supporting that claim, and the further post enforcing the idea that he is trying to get a point out and is indeed talking about the health of the game...wow, I think he could be trying to prove a point. I mean, everything he posted was backing what the title of the thread stated, using xfire numbers to even back that...wait, was he making a point using xfire numbers? I think he was.

 

What was that you said initially about people using xfire numbers to make a point, ie - proving something?

 

Haters bring up x-fire total number to prove something.

 

The words are straight from the horses mouth. No embellishment, no changing, just the straight facts. I didn't pull these from an alternate universe. I pulled this from the very forums we are now posting on. By your own words, Javac is a hater(no i didnt said that anywhere , quite the opposite) . Haters are on all sides of the fence. (regarding Darkfall too ? i call haters those with an hostile agenda towards the game Darkfall, fans can't be haters)

 

Contradictions, your spin, and your hypocrisy. It's all there cupcake. No paraphrasing, right in front of your eyes.
My original point sticks bub. You are a hypocrite.

 

Oh, and I am still waiting for some explanations...like why do haters (which by your words includes DFO players) need to provide a screen shot of their game in relation to a thread dealing with xfire numbers and a DFO screen shot and how does that all relate to me pointing out that you are a hypocrite? To refresh your memory:

(to point to something, Darkfall can bring a lot of people together despite the amount on total customer, even MMORPG's with millions customers can't surpass the screenshot of OP by a large amount )

 

Probably a diversionary tactic, we still have to see a current screenhot from a favorite game of the haters showing what Darkfall renders and still that does not stop them venomenous attacks or diversionary tactics.

 

I mean, you give me some sort of reasoning as to why a screen shot is needed. You talk about a considerable amount, which last count was apprx 41 or so? 41 people is considerable? Google is your friend bub. Do some searches, detailed research. You can find screenies with a a lot of players online at once having fun. Hell, they even had 40 man raids in WoW (40 on screen at once). That is comparable to the number of people you see on that screen. I don't need to provide a screen shot, because that has nothing to do with what I have said, or even the main point of this thread.

( a) screenshot has to be current, to be fair to current screenshot of OP b) i don't want pictures from innocent people out there in the web, i want the bigmouths here who talk bad about Darkfall  to deliver that screenshot ) 

 

This thread started out as DFO and xfire. Not how many players are in the screenshot versus how many players we can find in screenshots of other games. That has nothing to do with me calling you a hypocrite. That is you living in your alternate universe, adding chapters to the book that weren't there to begin with, and you trying to divert attention from the matter at hand.

(DFO, x-fire AND a screenshot, the screenshot being the most imporant part of OP)

I am glad you think the screenshot owns. Glad you like it. I have seen more people on a screen with my own eyes, but I am not arguing numbers of players on a screen at once. I am pointing out that you are a hypocrite.

(That is your agenda obviously,  if it helps you i can assure you that you are wrong on this)

Just an fyi, as you can see, this all did not come from just a single statement or sentence. You have been digging for a few posts now, and everything I have stated all relates back to my original post calling you a hypocrite.

 (you ignored the part i was clearly made a difference between a hater and a fan and how i differentiate, you argument of how you come from one of my  statements to a conclusion like Darkfall fans are Darkfall haters  looks artificially and wangled, correct that and it hopefully makes sense for you)

And yes, I do this to pass the time. Good catch on that. It still doesn't change the facts.  You are a hypocrite.  Enjoy!
 

Originally posted by StrixMaxima

It's really quite simple. X-Fire is one, of many possible, forms of establishing population trends trends. Not the best one, bot the worst one. It shows that DFO has less people playing now than some time ago.

It can be used also for other games, but it is no indicative of total playing numbers. The same diminishing trend can be seen, for instance, in AoC, a fact that can be corroborated by people playing that game.

Really, it is as simple as that. You can see the same thing going on here. This forum was much busier, but now only a handful of people post in it. Again, a trend: less people playing/interested in the game.

We won't have absolute numbers unless AV releases them officially. And it won't happen in our lifetime.

Funny thing is there is a very recent topic claiming DF shows most activity right now here ;)

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by StrixMaxima

It's really quite simple. X-Fire is one, of many possible, forms of establishing population trends trends. Not the best one, bot the worst one. It shows that DFO has less people playing now than some time ago.

It can be used also for other games, but it is no indicative of total playing numbers. The same diminishing trend can be seen, for instance, in AoC, a fact that can be corroborated by people playing that game.

Really, it is as simple as that. You can see the same thing going on here. This forum was much busier, but now only a handful of people post in it. Again, a trend: less people playing/interested in the game.

We won't have absolute numbers unless AV releases them officially. And it won't happen in our lifetime.

 

Funny thing is there is a very recent topic claiming DF shows most activity right now here ;)

 

Yes; High from a couple users. Compare it with 2 monthes ago.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Wyldsong

 

Alright we have hypocrisy, Darth being a walking contradiction (your opinion)

Yup, my opinion, but you do such a good job in making that opinion a reality.  Keep up the good work, especially since all the proof of you and the walking contradiction statement can be found here.

and Javac being a hater as stated by Darth (wrong i stead the opposite)...

And you still don't get it.  I lay out a map, and you still lose the path.  Reread the post, and work on your comprehension of what is actually being said.  Haters bring up x-fire total numbers to prove something, that is what Javac did, add 1+1 and you get 2.  It is not that hard.

 So, let's look at what you omitted. For one, the title: DF subs increasing rapidly. Let's also check out a snippet from post #28 from the same thread (yes, there was a line before and after that was omitted, but nothing that changes the intent):   (i didn't read a whole topic from months ago just because a link has been tossed at me)

 

And due to not even truly looking at the link, you make uninformed statements, not a good way to prove a point or get your message out.  Way to go.

The words are straight from the horses mouth. No embellishment, no changing, just the straight facts. I didn't pull these from an alternate universe. I pulled this from the very forums we are now posting on. By your own words, Javac is a hater(no i didnt said that anywhere , quite the opposite) . Haters are on all sides of the fence. (regarding Darkfall too ? i call haters those with an hostile agenda towards the game Darkfall, fans can't be haters)

 Again on the first red, reading comprehension.  On red number two, yes, haters are on all sides of the fence.  Darkfall fans can be haters.  Haters is not a term used exclusively for people who dislike Darkfall.  That is not a Darkfall specific term.  Someone with a hostile agenda.  There are plenty of DFO fans with hostile agendas.  There are plenty of DFO fans that show hate towards other games and playstyles.  Yes, DFO fans can be haters.

Oh, and I am still waiting for some explanations...like why do haters (which by your words includes DFO players) need to provide a screen shot of their game in relation to a thread dealing with xfire numbers and a DFO screen shot and how does that all relate to me pointing out that you are a hypocrite? To refresh your memory:

(to point to something, Darkfall can bring a lot of people together despite the amount on total customer, even MMORPG's with millions customers can't surpass the screenshot of OP by a large amount )

 To point something else out, that is all fine and dandy, but what does that have to do with anything? How does that tie into what I asked? Great, it can bring large amounts of people together, great, he can get 41 people in screenshot.  What does that have to do with anything I have said? It doesn't.  Get off of that train.  You have failed to explain anything I have asked about.  All you do is reinforce the question.

I mean, you give me some sort of reasoning as to why a screen shot is needed. You talk about a considerable amount, which last count was apprx 41 or so? 41 people is considerable? Google is your friend bub. Do some searches, detailed research. You can find screenies with a a lot of players online at once having fun. Hell, they even had 40 man raids in WoW (40 on screen at once). That is comparable to the number of people you see on that screen. I don't need to provide a screen shot, because that has nothing to do with what I have said, or even the main point of this thread.

( a) screenshot has to be current, to be fair to current screenshot of OP b) i don't want pictures from innocent people out there in the web, i want the bigmouths here who talk bad about Darkfall  to deliver that screenshot ) 

Again, what does this have to do with the topic at hand? You want fair and current screenshots, great.  Go forth on your crusade, start your thread, ask for screenshots, but how does that relate to anything I have said and the original post? The only relation we have so far is the OP had a screenshot, and you are talking about screenshots.  You want the bigmouths to deliver, fine, tell them to deliver.  That is not what I have been talking about, but you seem insistent on it.  Start your thread and get you some, but stay on topic here if you are going to respond.

This thread started out as DFO and xfire. Not how many players are in the screenshot versus how many players we can find in screenshots of other games. That has nothing to do with me calling you a hypocrite. That is you living in your alternate universe, adding chapters to the book that weren't there to begin with, and you trying to divert attention from the matter at hand.

(DFO, x-fire AND a screenshot, the screenshot being the most imporant part of OP)

Yes, DFO, xfire, and his screenshot.  Still not DFO, screenshot, and screenshots of other games and how many we can get in the screenshot.  Off topic.  Still not an explanation.

I am glad you think the screenshot owns. Glad you like it. I have seen more people on a screen with my own eyes, but I am not arguing numbers of players on a screen at once. I am pointing out that you are a hypocrite.

(That is your agenda obviously,  if it helps you i can assure you that you are wrong on this)

Glad you at least put one and one together here, and you can give me all the assurances you want, but based off the information I have provided, and reading your posts, I can assure you I am not wrong.

Just an fyi, as you can see, this all did not come from just a single statement or sentence. You have been digging for a few posts now, and everything I have stated all relates back to my original post calling you a hypocrite.

 (you ignored the part i was clearly made a difference between a hater and a fan and how i differentiate, you argument of how you come from one of my  statements to a conclusion like Darkfall fans are Darkfall haters  looks artificially and wangled, correct that and it hopefully makes sense for you)

And for every step forward, you take 30 back.  Darth, I have read every word.  I have reposted each syllable for you.  You are also adding more to my statements than are there.  I said haters are on all sides of the fence.  Do you know what that means? Do you comprehend these words? It does not mean all DFO fans are haters.  It means, plain and simple, that DFO fans can be haters, just like DFO critics.  DFO fans are not exempt  from the "haters" tag just by the virtue of being DFO fans.  A hater is a hater is a hater.  If a DFO fan hates on another game, he/she can be labeled a hater.  If that same fan hates on someone because of their race, sex, skin color, or whatever, then they can be labeled as a hater.  This is the same whether it is a WoW fan, DFO fan, Eve fan, or even Hello Kitty fan.  And honestly, if all you got out of this is that I am somehow saying DFO fans equal haters, then you seriously need to reread, recomprehend, and get a reality check. 

 

 

And this has been a ride today.  Cupcake, look, you called someone out on using sarcasm earlier in the thread, talked about how it wasn't constructive, and was based in hate.

Now, what I want you to do is go review some of your past posts.  I want you to view all of the times you made mention of carebears, people playing themepark games and their reasons, needing their hands held, so forth and so on.  You aren't mentioning things like that in a positive light, and there is no way you can spin this any other way.  You say sarcasm is based in hate? I say for each and every post you have made where you talk about carebears and such, and the way you talk about it, I say that is based in hate.  I say you have no right to call others out on hate based discussion.  That is what makes you a hypocrite - the fact that you are doing the same thing you are calling others out on.

Let he who throws the first stone...seriously.  You can't tell me you don't see that.  If you want to argue, fine.  Argue until your heart is content, but you aren't any better than how you perceive those to be that you are arguing with.  And there is your truth Darth.

If you don't get it by now, if you don't truly get the meaning of anything I have said and want to talk about screenshots some more, then don't bother to respond.  Until you can give me some hard core facts and can mount a proper defense, then it is not worth my time.

Originally posted by xpiher

 

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Originally posted by xpiher
And no one was able to prove where that number came from. When people started pulling numbers out of their ass, serveral people actually went through the major alliances in the game and pulled their numbers from the game. There were 10k players just in the major alliances, thats when hyperion still existed. From those spreadsheets, it was estimated that EU had between 15k-30k which was probably closer to 20k.
 
Is havenandheart a full loot game?

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Wasn't it 13k from EVERY single guild in the game, including deleted / unplayed characters?
Full loot and SORT of permadeath. Developers / moderators also have a policy on no interference except when people exploit bugs without reporting them.

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I think even the most ardent hater agreed it was closer to 20k. You had a lot of solo lone wolf types and even folks with 2 accounts still counts so 20 seems more realistic. 

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No actually us "ardent haters" as you called us called Darth out on his BS numbers of 16K.
I don't ever remember the numbers ever getting to 15K, hell back in the end of beta it was made VERY CLEAR that they had to get rid of guards and go to guard towers because the SERVERS COULDN'T HANDLE MORE THEN 10K MOBILE OBJECTS!!
You shillbots have NEVER been able to prove more then 100 people in any battle to anyone that took the time to count. Those of use that played the game know the truth so keep spinning until you crash into the ground and your servers go dark. Keep up the good spin, it will really attract lots of new blood, ROFLMAO

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I've participated in a 200v200 siege on Yssam during the Stasis v Yssam Alliance/Hyperion wars. The reason no one can prove more participating in a siege is because you can only see/show 1 person's perspective. I've tried explaining this before, when a siege is more than 100v100 there are smaller groups fighting on different front. The most you see in 1 area is generally 100 people, but in the entire battle zone there have been many as 500, that i know of. The largest siege on the server was against hyperion were both COTC and Hyperion + other held 3 back to back sieges, some over lapping, consisting of about a total of 1500 individual people.

 

And the number wasn't 13k from each clan, it was between 10k-13k from all the major alliance during the first world conflict. I know because I was the person who put together the damn spreadsheet in the first place. Estimates from people who played the game said the server was supporting about 20k people maybe more maybe a little less but not by much due to in-actives and deleted characters. You can get a decent number of how many people are playing the game by going to df.urme.com and adding up all the clan numbers since that site actually pulls all clans numbers, not just ones in the major alliances.

 

@APE: thats what happens when you siege so late.
 

I was a member of a city holding clan in the Yssam Alliance, during the height of the war with Stasis. 
Never once did I experience a 200 vs 200 seige.  There were def. instances of 400+ people fighting, but never in the same place, at the same time, over the same object.  They were always spread out over the island; taking place at multiple cities at the same time. 

Not once did I experience more then 200 people total, fighting at the same place; at the same time on Yssam.  Pretty much every battle was sub 100 vs sub 100, with the expceptions of saturdays when you would see almost 200 people at one battle.

Spreading BS has become quite the pastime for Xpiher.
If it's not here, it's on the MO forums were he's been posting left and right that he's in the beta; when called out he resorted to, "well, I'm not, it's my friends account."

Also,
You wern't the person that put the together the spreadsheet for the the alliance populations.  That was Ripper; wich was later ripped off by Javac and posted on the Darkfall forums as his own handy work.  
The 13k was a statement made by one of the community mods on the official Darkfall forums.
Not one of the guild member counts ever made it to 20k either.

Just because you post a little more cohessively, and less like a psycotic fanboy doesn't make you any less a Darth or Javac.
And you're exposing yourself as just as much a liar.

There have been repeated violations of our RoC in this thread despite warnings.

In future, please keep the fighting in Agon.

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