Originally posted by Forumfall

The hard truth you all must face is that this game will go f2p with itemshop.

 

Mark my words.

in 5 years, Lineage 2 never went f2p with cash shop and it didnt had the initial success Aion is having, so that is completely ridiculous and shows you have no clue of the market and of NCSoft way of business.

Second, like the ppl who actually know are saying, the servers keep full in many cases, and very well populated in others, there are no empty servers or lack of groups to do anything.

Even so, in a second some other hater will come and say another stupidity again, even after all ppl who actually are there to know, say the community is very healthy....  sigh...

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by Forumfall

The hard truth you all must face is that this game will go f2p with itemshop.

 

Mark my words.

 

in 5 years, Lineage 2 never went f2p with cash shop and it didnt had the initial success Aion is having, so that is completely ridiculous and shows you have no clue of the market and of NCSoft way of business.

Second, like the ppl who actually know are saying, the servers keep full in many cases, and very well populated in others, there are no empty servers or lack of groups to do anything.

 

Even so, in a second some other hater will come and say another stupidity again, even after all ppl who actually are there to know, say the community is very healthy....  sigh...

But back when Lineage came out MMO's weren't as popular as they are now. So of course Aion initially outsells it. But has Aion sold as many boxes as WAR or AoC? I don't believe they have, but I may be wrong. I 100% believe the dude you quoted. All along the game has felt like that to me anyway. Except they chose to charge you 15 bucks a month for it. Other than that it's felt no different than Perfect World, Lineage or any other cookie cutter Asian MMO.

Originally posted by parrotpholk

 Several things in this thread are great entertainment but what is with you people? NCSoft proved with L2 they will not bend to appease the western audience. They do not have to get 239567290743 subs here to be successful and believe it or not this country is not the center of the importance universe.  That idiot over at Aion Source who wrote that big long letter could have just summed it up in a few words or simply..........Dear NCSoft, Please make this game a carbon copy of WOW with wings. That would have saved a ton of space. If you leave I promise you they will not care and will not be any less successful. All the folks spouting this was a WOW killer or stuff along those lines was also a fool. NCSoft history goes to show this and a company rarely changes its ways to satisfy a few.

Your right so I don't know why they even bother to lauch a game in the west?  Why spend the money to westernize it if tney don't want it to suceed?

I'm sure it is successful in the east, but until they bridge the culture gap and realize the majority of those who play MMO's in the west are casual players who have a life outside of games and don't want to spend what little time they have, grinding until their eyes bleed to make the next level or have to put up with bots and spammers.

The people who frequent this site are not a true sample of the people who play MMO's.  I'm willing to bet that most of the frequent posters here are more of the hardcore gamers and represent the minority in MMO's.

If what NCSoft does works for them and their investors then I wouldn't change anything either.  That leaves you two choices, either shut up and play as it is or quit and show your distaste for them by not giving them your money.  simple really.

Originally posted by qotsa

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by Forumfall

The hard truth you all must face is that this game will go f2p with itemshop.

 

Mark my words.

 

in 5 years, Lineage 2 never went f2p with cash shop and it didnt had the initial success Aion is having, so that is completely ridiculous and shows you have no clue of the market and of NCSoft way of business.

Second, like the ppl who actually know are saying, the servers keep full in many cases, and very well populated in others, there are no empty servers or lack of groups to do anything.

 

Even so, in a second some other hater will come and say another stupidity again, even after all ppl who actually are there to know, say the community is very healthy....  sigh...

 

But back when Lineage came out MMO's weren't as popular as they are now. So of course Aion initially outsells it. But has Aion sold as many boxes as WAR or AoC? I don't believe they have, but I may be wrong. I 100% believe the dude you quoted. All along the game has felt like that to me anyway. Except they chose to charge you 15 bucks a month for it. Other than that it's felt no different than Perfect World, Lineage or any other cookie cutter Asian MMO.

And how the hell would you know, according to your post history (www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3140878#3140878)

you've only played in beta before the latest changes to the game

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by qotsa

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by Forumfall

The hard truth you all must face is that this game will go f2p with itemshop.

 

Mark my words.

 

in 5 years, Lineage 2 never went f2p with cash shop and it didnt had the initial success Aion is having, so that is completely ridiculous and shows you have no clue of the market and of NCSoft way of business.

Second, like the ppl who actually know are saying, the servers keep full in many cases, and very well populated in others, there are no empty servers or lack of groups to do anything.

 

Even so, in a second some other hater will come and say another stupidity again, even after all ppl who actually are there to know, say the community is very healthy....  sigh...

 

But back when Lineage came out MMO's weren't as popular as they are now. So of course Aion initially outsells it. But has Aion sold as many boxes as WAR or AoC? I don't believe they have, but I may be wrong. I 100% believe the dude you quoted. All along the game has felt like that to me anyway. Except they chose to charge you 15 bucks a month for it. Other than that it's felt no different than Perfect World, Lineage or any other cookie cutter Asian MMO.

 

And how the hell would you know, according to your post history (www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3140878#3140878)

you've only played in beta before the latest changes to the game

 

This is what I like to call "owned"

[grabs a chair and some popcorn]

[munch, munch, munch]

I still have a month left to play in Aion but I havent logged in for weeks.

Im not comming on the forums to complain that its bad or anything, some people love it some dont, its just not my cup of tea,

so I move on to the next MMO that fits more my taste, perhaps STO or SWtor (sci-fic) will peek more my intrest.

Well regardless of this whole topic id like to see it do what GW did and cost money to buy and be f2p

But i know this game wont

and just because the game seems buggy now all games are at there release and give it time to work out all the kinks and etc and i bet you more people will come to the game including people who quit.

Besides no one is really sure how many people have quit playing this.

So unless you work for ncsoft and have these statics dont post anymore of these threads

Its pointless

and besides most of the threads on here latly were all haters its stupid,

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by qotsa

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by Forumfall

The hard truth you all must face is that this game will go f2p with itemshop.

 

Mark my words.

 

in 5 years, Lineage 2 never went f2p with cash shop and it didnt had the initial success Aion is having, so that is completely ridiculous and shows you have no clue of the market and of NCSoft way of business.

Second, like the ppl who actually know are saying, the servers keep full in many cases, and very well populated in others, there are no empty servers or lack of groups to do anything.

 

Even so, in a second some other hater will come and say another stupidity again, even after all ppl who actually are there to know, say the community is very healthy....  sigh...

 

But back when Lineage came out MMO's weren't as popular as they are now. So of course Aion initially outsells it. But has Aion sold as many boxes as WAR or AoC? I don't believe they have, but I may be wrong. I 100% believe the dude you quoted. All along the game has felt like that to me anyway. Except they chose to charge you 15 bucks a month for it. Other than that it's felt no different than Perfect World, Lineage or any other cookie cutter Asian MMO.

 

And how the hell would you know, according to your post history (www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3140878#3140878)

you've only played in beta before the latest changes to the game

 

Qotsa you just got wtfpwned by your own post...dang...that's like having your arm ripped off and then getting beat down with it.

I think they should have built this game to have four different ways of playing on four different types of servers it instead of limiting themselves to the untested market of players that want a strictly PvPvE experience.

They could have easily made this a kick-ass, PvP-only game with PvP from the 1st level to the cap with very few tweaks and launched it in North America on 10 servers designated as PvP only.

They could also have easily tweaked the same "base game" to be PvP optional.  All it would take is a LOT more quests throughout all levels and more zones and a PvP on/off switch.  That's another group of servers.

They could have easily tweaked the base game to be PvE only. That 's another group of servers and it caters to (probably) the most common playstyle of the MMORPG community in North America.  It would also be where NCSoft makes the most money because North America will probably never be PvP-centric.

And, of course a set of servers for the game as it is now for those of us who like PvPvE and enjoy Aion the way it is.

What's more, there could be RP servers for each of these 4 playstyles.

Think about it. Every  playstyle is accommodated and 4x the amount of MMORPG players can be targeted by marketing.   PvPer's don't have to put up with PvE-centric players or have their game softened because they'd have their own servers like every other friggin' game out there etc.

NCSoft never should have limited themselves to what's basically a niche/untested market of PvPvE without player alternatives.  It's extremely narrow thinking, particlularly when you consider it wouldn't be too awfully tough to tweak the base game the way they tweak most PvE MMORPG's to accommodate the PvPers.

Originally posted by XTC2

I think they should have built this game to have four different ways of playing on four different types of servers it instead of limiting themselves to the untested market of players that want a strictly PvPvE experience.

They could have easily made this a kick-ass, PvP-only game with PvP from the 1st level to the cap with very few tweaks and launched it in North America on 10 servers designated as PvP only.

They could also have easily tweaked the same "base game" to be PvP optional.  All it would take is a LOT more quests throughout all levels and more zones and a PvP on/off switch.  That's another group of servers.

They could have easily tweaked the base game to be PvE only. That 's another group of servers and it caters to (probably) the most common playstyle of the MMORPG community in North America.  It would also be where NCSoft makes the most money because North America will probably never be PvP-centric.

And, of course a set of servers for the game as it is now for those of us who like PvPvE and enjoy Aion the way it is.

What's more, there could be RP servers for each of these 4 playstyles.

Think about it. Every  playstyle is accommodated and 4x the amount of MMORPG players can be targeted by marketing.   PvPer's don't have to put up with PvE-centric players or have their game softened because they'd have their own servers like every other friggin' game out there etc.

NCSoft never should have limited themselves to what's basically a niche/untested market of PvPvE without player alternatives.  It's extremely narrow thinking, particlularly when you consider it wouldn't be too awfully tough to tweak the base game the way they tweak most PvE MMORPG's to accommodate the PvPers.

Because 3.5 mill subs in Asia and 500k in the west is pretty niche :)

Their are not many MMOs that can boast this type of following. Expect more servers added in the west once the word gets out how great Aion is. The Koreans have done it again!

Originally posted by supbro

Originally posted by XTC2

I think they should have built this game to have four different ways of playing on four different types of servers it instead of limiting themselves to the untested market of players that want a strictly PvPvE experience.

They could have easily made this a kick-ass, PvP-only game with PvP from the 1st level to the cap with very few tweaks and launched it in North America on 10 servers designated as PvP only.

They could also have easily tweaked the same "base game" to be PvP optional.  All it would take is a LOT more quests throughout all levels and more zones and a PvP on/off switch.  That's another group of servers.

They could have easily tweaked the base game to be PvE only. That 's another group of servers and it caters to (probably) the most common playstyle of the MMORPG community in North America.  It would also be where NCSoft makes the most money because North America will probably never be PvP-centric.

And, of course a set of servers for the game as it is now for those of us who like PvPvE and enjoy Aion the way it is.

What's more, there could be RP servers for each of these 4 playstyles.

Think about it. Every  playstyle is accommodated and 4x the amount of MMORPG players can be targeted by marketing.   PvPer's don't have to put up with PvE-centric players or have their game softened because they'd have their own servers like every other friggin' game out there etc.

NCSoft never should have limited themselves to what's basically a niche/untested market of PvPvE without player alternatives.  It's extremely narrow thinking, particlularly when you consider it wouldn't be too awfully tough to tweak the base game the way they tweak most PvE MMORPG's to accommodate the PvPers.

 

Because 3.5 mill subs in Asia and 500k in the west is pretty niche :)

Their are not many MMOs that can boast this type of following. Expect more servers added in the west once the word gets out how great Aion is. The Koreans have done it again!

Where did ya get the 500k from?  Last I heard it was 400k and dropping fast.  It may retain about 150-200k here in the west, which is good.  Those aren't bad numbers...

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by qotsa

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by Forumfall

The hard truth you all must face is that this game will go f2p with itemshop.

 

Mark my words.

 

in 5 years, Lineage 2 never went f2p with cash shop and it didnt had the initial success Aion is having, so that is completely ridiculous and shows you have no clue of the market and of NCSoft way of business.

Second, like the ppl who actually know are saying, the servers keep full in many cases, and very well populated in others, there are no empty servers or lack of groups to do anything.

 

Even so, in a second some other hater will come and say another stupidity again, even after all ppl who actually are there to know, say the community is very healthy....  sigh...

 

But back when Lineage came out MMO's weren't as popular as they are now. So of course Aion initially outsells it. But has Aion sold as many boxes as WAR or AoC? I don't believe they have, but I may be wrong. I 100% believe the dude you quoted. All along the game has felt like that to me anyway. Except they chose to charge you 15 bucks a month for it. Other than that it's felt no different than Perfect World, Lineage or any other cookie cutter Asian MMO.

 

And how the hell would you know, according to your post history (www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3140878#3140878)

you've only played in beta before the latest changes to the game

 

ZOMG WTFPWNZOR....
 

That made my day ... lololololololololololololololololololololololololololol

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by Darkholme

I almost wish I hadn't uninstalled the game just so I could check in and see what the server list looks like at prime time. Which IMO prime time for NA servers in general is between 7:00pm EST and 3:00am EST. Probably splitting the difference would be a good measure of the games health, so around 11:00pm EST.

Yeah I am sure that there are a ton of people who will still play Aion. However the vast majority of MMOG players are getting the feelings of dejavu by now with Aion because it really is just the same old shtick with a slightly different skin. Just like every other game, the honeymoon period is coming to a close and the hype and newness is wearing off and people are looking forward to the next big thing...

 

You know what is more sad and very Ironic?

That Tabula Rasa was actually a much better game. If NCSoft just had given it a chance and actually tried to fix it.

The whole combat system of Tabula Rasa was 100 times more fluid and smooth as hell. And TAB targeting actually worked.

The mob AI in Tabula Rasa was also 100 times better. The Alien drop ships dropping off patrols and such. Best thing I've ever seen in an MMO to date.

They just had to fix the skill trees and add more content. That's all.

QFT.

Originally posted by Oyjord

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by Darkholme

I almost wish I hadn't uninstalled the game just so I could check in and see what the server list looks like at prime time. Which IMO prime time for NA servers in general is between 7:00pm EST and 3:00am EST. Probably splitting the difference would be a good measure of the games health, so around 11:00pm EST.

Yeah I am sure that there are a ton of people who will still play Aion. However the vast majority of MMOG players are getting the feelings of dejavu by now with Aion because it really is just the same old shtick with a slightly different skin. Just like every other game, the honeymoon period is coming to a close and the hype and newness is wearing off and people are looking forward to the next big thing...

 

You know what is more sad and very Ironic?

That Tabula Rasa was actually a much better game. If NCSoft just had given it a chance and actually tried to fix it.

The whole combat system of Tabula Rasa was 100 times more fluid and smooth as hell. And TAB targeting actually worked.

The mob AI in Tabula Rasa was also 100 times better. The Alien drop ships dropping off patrols and such. Best thing I've ever seen in an MMO to date.

They just had to fix the skill trees and add more content. That's all.

 

QFT.

Yes Tabula Rasa was very nice, pitty the korean graphic pseudo artists who completly screwed the player toons looks and stuff like that.

They never got to implemente the mechs either.. that alone would have saved TR imo.. was a game with loads of potencial badly explored imo.

Originally posted by junzo316

Where did ya get the 500k from?  Last I heard it was 400k and dropping fast.

Source?

Originally posted by supbro

Because 3.5 mill subs in Asia and 500k in the west is pretty niche :)

Their are not many MMOs that can boast this type of following. Expect more servers added in the west once the word gets out how great Aion is. The Koreans have done it again!

Give me a definitive link for that 3.5 mill figure, if you don't mind.  I don't even care about the 500k, since I know that won't last.  But I want to see somewhere in writing where NCSoft stated that number.

Didn't I read somewhere that Aion is a free to play in Asia?  It probably accounts for their numbers, if so.   The Western release is certainly taking a nose dive.

Such a promising game, let down by so little content and bad support.

Originally posted by grapevine

Didn't I read somewhere that Aion is a free to play in Asia?  It probably accounts for their numbers, if so.   The Western release is certainly taking a nose dive.

 

Such a promising game, let down by so little content and bad support.

I dont think you could be more wrong even if you tried.  AION has the same sub pricing model as any other major MMORPG in the asian market.  Yes, wow uses the same pricing model for its Asian customers.  Right after you said that, you have no credibility whatsoever...

As far as the western status of the game, my server has been reaching FULL status since release, there are no shortage of players and the game has held at #4 on xfire for over a month. 

Like most of the haters here you lose by confusing the lies floating around that thing you call a head, with the facts.

Originally posted by Eben

Originally posted by supbro

Because 3.5 mill subs in Asia and 500k in the west is pretty niche :)

Their are not many MMOs that can boast this type of following. Expect more servers added in the west once the word gets out how great Aion is. The Koreans have done it again!

 

Give me a definitive link for that 3.5 mill figure, if you don't mind.  I don't even care about the 500k, since I know that won't last.  But I want to see somewhere in writing where NCSoft stated that number.

why should he give you anything ?  Find the link yourself (assuming you can manage to pull yourself away from levelling another alt in world of kiddiecraft), the information is out there.  As far as disputing sub numbers, that is a two way street.  Anyone can be just as ignorant as you and accuse Blizzard of making up sub numbers as well.

Ok this is just my personal view after playing to lvl50, so bash me like you want I dont care. Cause ppls dont like to read wall of texts Ill make it short ^^.

 No real content, controls are awful, sounds are the worst Ive ever heard, PvP sucks SO FAR alot (very boring).

Aion is the first game where I can admit, I will not play it and will always hate it.

I never tried to get into beta and will never play a free trial for it.

It just reeks with that Terribad MMO smell.

And I'll admit, I'm an Aion hater.

The only Korean MMO I'll ever like is Mabinogi, cause it's sandbox-ish and free.

Originally posted by macmall

I say embrace the hate:P

 

Some ppl like Aion some don't, either way I say good for you!  Want me to bake you a cake? Throw you a party cause you don't like a game?

If you don't like Aion, then don't come and post here on these boards and bitch and moan, its simple really......I'm not an alcoholic, so I don't go to AA mettings and why? Cause I don't drink, if you don't play Aion why are you here???

God and you wonder why the MMO community has gone too shit.

Go play WoW if your looking for instant gratification, if not STFU and GTFO cause no one want's to hear whinny 32 yr old men that bitch and complain cause the world doesn't revolve around them and there 60$ they spent.

I burn $60 at the strip club in 30 mmmmmmk chump change..........

 

BTW Aion Kicks ass!!!

Pls tell me are you and ppls like you who tells others not to come to forums to tell their opinions braindead ? This is a forum for a reason, you know what the reason is ? DISCUSSION, if you dont like discussions then pls avoid forums in the future, thank you T_T.

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Originally posted by Eben

Originally posted by supbro

Because 3.5 mill subs in Asia and 500k in the west is pretty niche :)

Their are not many MMOs that can boast this type of following. Expect more servers added in the west once the word gets out how great Aion is. The Koreans have done it again!

 

Give me a definitive link for that 3.5 mill figure, if you don't mind.  I don't even care about the 500k, since I know that won't last.  But I want to see somewhere in writing where NCSoft stated that number.

 

why should he give you anything ?  Find the link yourself (assuming you can manage to pull yourself away from levelling another alt in world of kiddiecraft), the information is out there.  As far as disputing sub numbers, that is a two way street.  Anyone can be just as ignorant as you and accuse Blizzard of making up sub numbers as well.

Calm down.

When a user throws out a number, it's custom to back up that claim by providing proof, which is what the other user is asking for.

Step back and take a deep breath.

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by Xasapis

I think it's a combination of server increased capacity, people playing more normal hours than they used to when the game launched and a good portion of people starting to leave now that the box month is nearing over.

The title of this thread is of course hilarious, since most MMOs can expect at best a 30% retention after the box month. 50% retention would have been a tremendous success, which I doubt NCsoft will achieve.

 

If a game is good, fun to play and has a good community. Than the retention rate would be a lot higher then just 30%.

The problem is, that the last couple years most MMO launches were just crap and the quality of the MMO's were crap as well.

People are getting fed up and tired of it. And not willing to be put up with it anymore.

With AION it's basically ironic and also a shame, as the game is actually pretty okay and polished. But it's getting destroyed, because of the botting and cheating being completely out of control and the pathetic support and very poor communication (or complete lack theiroff in case of Europe) by NCSoft.

If the botting and cheating wouldn't have been so out of control and NCSoft actually provided decent communication and ingame support. Then I would have continued to subscribe.

Cheers

^^^This...the game is doomed to obscurity in the coming months as better American made titles come out.  The Koreans have not learned how to control their own games and this is the last Korean game I will play. 

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

why should he give you anything ?  Find the link yourself (assuming you can manage to pull yourself away from levelling another alt in world of kiddiecraft), the information is out there.  As far as disputing sub numbers, that is a two way street.  Anyone can be just as ignorant as you and accuse Blizzard of making up sub numbers as well.

Whoa there.  I know this is the intarwebz and all, where logical thought and the rules of rational thinking don't apply, but if someone is going to cite data or state something as fact, there isn't anything wrong with asking them to provide a source for their information.