www.youtube.com/watch

What you think?

An Epidemic of Fear: How Panicked Parents Skipping Shots Endangers Us All

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff_waronscience/

the question is about the risk, are the risks of being vaccinated better or worse than the risk of not being vaccinated.

My goverment has already been stockpiled the vacine and have enough for ½ of the population in my nation.

Originally posted by nurgles

An Epidemic of Fear: How Panicked Parents Skipping Shots Endangers Us All

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff_waronscience/

the question is about the risk, are the risks of being vaccinated better or worse than the risk of not being vaccinated.

 

Urgles, the H1N1 isn't more dangerous than any flu but the vaccine got infected, in Austria, by the H1N5 which is deadly.

It has been proven since massive vaccinations are being made in USA there has not been a decrease of flu nor death at all.

It's also a matter of fact 65-70% of people injected with a flu vaccine just get a flu.

Pregnant and asmatic people are usually not vaccinated by flu vaccine due to the effect of the vaccines and now these population are the main target while it's proven the vaccine hasn't been tested on  pregnant animals...

Your choice, you have been warned... www.thelfuxcase.com 

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Originally posted by Deewe

Urgles, the H1N1 isn't more dangerous than any flu but the vaccine got infected, in Austria, by the H1N5 which is deadly.

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source please. Also why is this a reason not to be vaccinated? is all the vaccines infected? Or even what is the risk that the one you are given is infected?

That is without dealing with the benefits of preventing a pandemic.

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Originally posted by Deewe

It has been proven since massive vaccinations are being made in USA there has not been a decrease of flu nor death at all.

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Originally posted by Deewe

It's also a matter of fact 65-70% of people injected with a flu vaccine just get a flu.

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Originally posted by Deewe

Pregnant and asmatic people are usually not vaccinated by flu vaccine due to the effect of the vaccines and now these population are the main target while it's proven the vaccine hasn't been tested on  pregnant animals...

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you seem to be poorly informed.

from here http://www.cdc.gov/FLU/protect/keyfacts.htm regarding the seasonal flu vaccene.

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Who Should Get Vaccinated

In general, anyone who wants to reduce their chances of getting seasonal flu can get a seasonal influenza vaccine. However, it is recommended by ACIP that certain people should get vaccinated each year. They are either people who are at high risk of having serious seasonal flu-related complications or people who live with or care for those at high risk for serious seasonal flu-related complications. During flu seasons when vaccine supplies are limited or delayed, ACIP makes recommendations regarding priority groups for vaccination.

People who should get the seasonal vaccine each year are:

1. Children aged 6 months up to their 19th birthday
2. Pregnant women
3. People 50 years of age and older
4. People of any age with certain chronic medical conditions
5. People who live in nursing homes and other long-term care facilities
6. People who live with or care for those at high risk for complications from flu, including:
1. Health care workers
2. Household contacts of persons at high risk for complications from the flu
3. Household contacts and caregivers of children <5 years of age with particular emphasis on vaccinating contacts of children <6 months of age (these children are at higher risk of flu-related complications

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additionally, how does a lack of testing on pregnant animals imply that people are at a greater risk?

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Originally posted by Deewe

Your choice, you have been warned... www.thelfuxcase.com 
 

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LMAO! I have been warned by a poorly informed scare mongered. Let me guess if i don't forward this on to 20 of my friends in the next 20 minutes some one i know will have a baby that will develop Autism!

A few sources: 

The Threat of Mandatory Vaccinations

The flu case

Dr Horowitz Rips Dr Oz Apart on ABC's H1N1 Flu Vaccine Fraud:
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3

If you still wonders, why First Daughters Not Vaccinated Against H1N1?
 

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Originally posted by Deewe
A few sources: 
The Threat of Mandatory Vaccinations

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none of the stats i asked for and with freedom of choice agenda. Also you are starting to overlay "the threat of mandatory vaccinations" over "The threat of Mandatory H1N1 vaccinations". Flu shots are voluntary.

also, the same unsupported editorial I have seen elsewhere.

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Originally posted by Deewe

The flu case

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this is a terrible site for referencing, just a collection of unsorted and unreferenced news articles. nothing to do with science, facts or statistics. Sorry, i am probably wrong, somewhere in amongst the lies and the the editorialized fear mongering there may be some details, i hope you forgive me for not wading though all that shit.
 

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Originally posted by Deewe

Dr Horowitz Rips Dr Oz Apart on ABC's H1N1 Flu Vaccine Fraud:
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3

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both sides have an agenda and are willing to lie, can't watch-too painful.

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Originally posted by Deewe

If you still wonders, why First Daughters Not Vaccinated Against H1N1?
 

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what? the fact they may have some condition that affect this choice doesn't matter?
Also because the president does or doesn't do something is a logical, scientific approach to risk management? Good grief.

Swineflu is a load of bullshit. Say no to vaccine!

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=swine_flu

What people need to understand about vaccinations and viruses is that it is ultimately up to your immune system, and viral mutation either way.  A virus is simply a set of instructions telling your cells what to do. It is unknown whether or not it is a living thing. Science has not yet come to the point where we can effectively treat viruses.  Even when we attempt to reprogram viruses, they still alter their reprograming because it is in the nature of viruses to adapt. They constantaly mutate and adapt regardless of what we throw at them.

Are vaccines in general harmful? NO. Though there are mistakes made and batches recalled, this is not the rule it is the exception.

Vaccines have saved many lives over the years, and are one of our only defenses against viruses at this time.  They are necessary to help prevent the spread of disease, and can save your life if used properly. Though I do strongly disagree with mandatory vaccination.

Should everyone be vaccinated? NO. If you have certain conditons, it can be quite harmful to receive vaccinations. If you have already been infected with the virus it is pointless to be vaccinated, and the more a virus is exposed to a vaccine, the increased probability of mutation against the vaccine itself, increasing the probability that the vaccine could be rendered useless in cases where it is greatly needed to be effective( high risk for death).

Can you still catch the virus after vaccination? YES. The vaccination only triggers an immune system response in order to help your body react better to the virus in a weakened state. If your immune system does not respond  properly, you can still get sick from the virus.  The virus can also mutate against the vaccine and you may still come down with the virus as well, Vaccines are curently our only real defense against viruses, so we work with what we have.

For the most part, the influenza vaccine should be taken by those at high risk for  complications or death from getting sick.  I do not reccommned it for the general public in most cases, because this strengthens the  virus and results in more vaccine immune strains of the virus due to it's high mutation rate. Bottom line is your immune system is the best defense you have. Take care of your immune system, it is what keeps you alive!

Having just recovered from H1N1 myself, I have no need for a vaccine. I had the severe secondary infections, but most people have mild or no symptoms.  If you do come down with H1N1, you should make sure you are constantly monitored, as conditions can get severe quickly. Drink plenty of clear fluids, closely monitor fever, and seek medical treatment to ensure you are  properly taking care of yourself. Do NOT just take meds and go to sleep, check fever  at least every 2 hours throughout the nights  if your symptoms are severe to ensure it is not rising rapidly. Alternate Motrin and Tylenol to keep fever down if it rises too fast. It is the secondary infections that are dangerous. The KEY is to treat it aggressively at the first sign of symptoms, do NOT take a wait and see position with H1N1, as that has proven deadly.

If you suspect that you may have H1N1, if you seek medical attention within the first 48 hours of showing symptoms, you can take Tamiflu to help slow the spread of the virus in your body. This is not a Vaccine, nor is it a cure, it just helps slow the spread, and can help you from getting too sick. However, it MUST be taken within the first 48 hours or it is not effective.

Originally posted by deviliscious

 

What people need to understand about vaccinations and viruses is that it is ultimately up to your immune system, and viral mutation either way.  A virus is simply a set of instructions telling your cells what to do. It is unknown whether or not it is a living thing. Science has not yet come to the point where we can effectively treat viruses.  Even when we attempt to reprogram viruses, they still alter their reprograming because it is in the nature of viruses to adapt. They constantaly mutate and adapt regardless of what we throw at them.

 

Are vaccines in general harmful? NO. Though there are mistakes made and batches recalled, this is not the rule it is the exception.

Vaccines have saved many lives over the years, and are one of our only defenses against viruses at this time.  They are necessary to help prevent the spread of disease, and can save your life if used properly. Though I do strongly disagree with mandatory vaccination.

 

Should everyone be vaccinated? NO. If you have certain conditons, it can be quite harmful to receive vaccinations. If you have already been infected with the virus it is pointless to be vaccinated, and the more a virus is exposed to a vaccine, the increased probability of mutation against the vaccine itself, increasing the probability that the vaccine could be rendered useless in cases where it is greatly needed to be effective( high risk for death).

Can you still catch the virus after vaccination? YES. The vaccination only triggers an immune system response in order to help your body react better to the virus in a weakened state. If your immune system does not respond  properly, you can still get sick from the virus.  The virus can also mutate against the vaccine and you may still come down with the virus as well, Vaccines are curently our only real defense against viruses, so we work with what we have.

For the most part, the influenza vaccine should be taken by those at high risk for  complications or death from getting sick.  I do not reccommned it for the general public in most cases, because this strengthens the  virus and results in more vaccine immune strains of the virus due to it's high mutation rate. Bottom line is your immune system is the best defense you have. Take care of your immune system, it is what keeps you alive!

Having just recovered from H1N1 myself, I have no need for a vaccine. I had the severe secondary infections, but most people have mild or no symptoms.  If you do come down with H1N1, you should make sure you are constantly monitored, as conditions can get severe quickly. Drink plenty of clear fluids, closely monitor fever, and seek medical treatment to ensure you are  properly taking care of yourself. Do NOT just take meds and go to sleep, check fever  at least every 2 hours throughout the nights  if your symptoms are severe to ensure it is not rising rapidly. Alternate Motrin and Tylenol to keep fever down if it rises too fast. It is the secondary infections that are dangerous. The KEY is to treat it aggressively at the first sign of symptoms, do NOT take a wait and see position with H1N1, as that has proven deadly.

If you suspect that you may have H1N1, if you seek medical attention within the first 48 hours of showing symptoms, you can take Tamiflu to help slow the spread of the virus in your body. This is not a Vaccine, nor is it a cure, it just helps slow the spread, and can help you from getting too sick. However, it MUST be taken within the first 48 hours or it is not effective.

Thank you for taking the time to write this.

Originally posted by deviliscious

 

What people need to understand about vaccinations and viruses is that it is ultimately up to your immune system, and viral mutation either way.  A virus is simply a set of instructions telling your cells what to do. It is unknown whether or not it is a living thing. Science has not yet come to the point where we can effectively treat viruses.  Even when we attempt to reprogram viruses, they still alter their reprograming because it is in the nature of viruses to adapt. They constantaly mutate and adapt regardless of what we throw at them.

 

 

Should everyone be vaccinated? NO. If you have certain conditons, it can be quite harmful to receive vaccinations. If you have already been infected with the virus it is pointless to be vaccinated, and the more a virus is exposed to a vaccine, the increased probability of mutation against the vaccine itself, increasing the probability that the vaccine could be rendered useless in cases where it is greatly needed to be effective( high risk for death).

Can you still catch the virus after vaccination? YES. The vaccination only triggers an immune system response in order to help your body react better to the virus in a weakened state. If your immune system does not respond  properly, you can still get sick from the virus.  The virus can also mutate against the vaccine and you may still come down with the virus as well, Vaccines are curently our only real defense against viruses, so we work with what we have.

For the most part, the influenza vaccine should be taken by those at high risk for  complications or death from getting sick.  I do not reccommned it for the general public in most cases, because this strengthens the  virus and results in more vaccine immune strains of the virus due to it's high mutation rate. Bottom line is your immune system is the best defense you have. Take care of your immune system, it is what keeps you alive!

Having just recovered from H1N1 myself, I have no need for a vaccine. I had the severe secondary infections, but most people have mild or no symptoms.  If you do come down with H1N1, you should make sure you are constantly monitored, as conditions can get severe quickly. Drink plenty of clear fluids, closely monitor fever, and seek medical treatment to ensure you are  properly taking care of yourself. Do NOT just take meds and go to sleep, check fever  at least every 2 hours throughout the nights  if your symptoms are severe to ensure it is not rising rapidly. Alternate Motrin and Tylenol to keep fever down if it rises too fast. It is the secondary infections that are dangerous. The KEY is to treat it aggressively at the first sign of symptoms, do NOT take a wait and see position with H1N1, as that has proven deadly.

If you suspect that you may have H1N1, if you seek medical attention within the first 48 hours of showing symptoms, you can take Tamiflu to help slow the spread of the virus in your body. This is not a Vaccine, nor is it a cure, it just helps slow the spread, and can help you from getting too sick. However, it MUST be taken within the first 48 hours or it is not effective.

Are vaccines in general harmful? NO. Though there are mistakes made and batches recalled, this is not the rule it is the exception.

Vaccines have saved many lives over the years, and are one of our only defenses against viruses at this time.  They are necessary to help prevent the spread of disease, and can save your life if used properly. Though I do strongly disagree with mandatory vaccination.

Good information in here, thanks for sharing.  I would also remind people that hardly any perfectly healthy people have died from the flu.  I have yet to see a single story about someone in their 30's that is perfectly healthy succumb to H1N1.

I work in the biotech/life science field, and these flu manufacturers are all big pharma companies.  They have a VAST marketing reach, and their salespeople are trained to scare physicians into buying their products.  My wife is pregnant, and multiple biotech companies sell products like First Screen, and other genetic tests.  These tests give you ZERO information, and only indicate possible likelihoods that your child has defects.

Make no mistake about it, the big pharma companies are not at all concerned with your health, and will turn billions in profit off of everyone flocking to a vaccine that isn't even designed after this current strain of H1N1.  These labs recreate mutations of influenza viruses, then match these mutations to the H1N1 strain.  These matches are never 100%, and are never guaranteed to work.  I know this, because I sell instruments to labs at Chiron and other vaccine manufacturers.

In fact, most of the PhD's I deal with think that H1N1 will kill LESS people than the regular flu does every year (about 80,000).  I have talked to biochemists, pediatricians and many other professionals about this.  The best advice they give is eat right, wash hands constantly, maintain clean living standards with anti-bacterial cleaning agents, get plenty of sleep & stay active.  I would much prefer these activities than injecting myself with mercury.  I would wager that mercury poisoned this women, and lead to her extremely rare mental disorder:

http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/health/101309_woman_disabled_by_flu_shot_reaction_dystonia

This is completely political.  Its an attempt to deface the Obama Administration because Obama was behind destributing the H1N1 Vaccine.

Originally posted by Cleffy

This is completely political.  Its an attempt to deface the Obama Administration because Obama was behind destributing the H1N1 Vaccine.

Sure as much as I don't live in USA at all, so honestly I don't care about Obama or Bush or whoever...

Originally posted by Cleffy

This is completely political.  Its an attempt to deface the Obama Administration because Obama was behind destributing the H1N1 Vaccine.

Im not to sure that this is the case here as this sort of story has been going around for a while in the UK. I think its just some people being too sensative to the idea of a largly untested vaccine being used.

I too have such thoughts i must admit but i would rather risk the vaccine and get a milder flu attack rather than getting a full attack.

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Originally posted by Deewe

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Originally posted by Cleffy

This is completely political.  Its an attempt to deface the Obama Administration because Obama was behind destributing the H1N1 Vaccine.

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Sure as much as I don't live in USA at all, so honestly I don't care about Obama or Bush or whoever...
 

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Yeah you only Live in the USA online - Long Beach Ca. according to your profile. Hows the weather?

Well , the only thing I know is this . I took my 10 year old to the doctor yesterday with 100.5 fever , cough and other flu like symptoms. They have had no vaccines . This morning he is at 101.7. He has never had the Flu before. IF this is Political and someone has prevent the distribution of the vaccines to make Obama look bad then they now have another problem...me.

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Originally posted by Forumfall
Swineflu is a load of bullshit. Say no to vaccine!
 
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=swine_flu

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WoW , that page looks like its was written by a Yahoo Asshat. I hope that its does not have a virus of its own.

Originally posted by JestorRodo

 

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Originally posted by Deewe

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Originally posted by Cleffy

 

This is completely political.  Its an attempt to deface the Obama Administration because Obama was behind destributing the H1N1 Vaccine.

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Sure as much as I don't live in USA at all, so honestly I don't care about Obama or Bush or whoever...
 

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Yeah you only Live in the USA online - Long Beach Ca. according to your profile. Hows the weather?

Well , the only thing I know is this . I took my 10 year old to the doctor yesterday with 100.5 fever , cough and other flu like symptoms. They have had no vaccines . This morning he is at 101.7. He has never had the Flu before. IF this is Political and someone has prevent the distribution of the vaccines to make Obama look bad then they now have another problem...me.

 

 

It appears you misunderstand the use of vaccine. If your child is ALREADY running fever they cannot give your child a vaccine regardless of what Obama has to say about it. A vaccine is either the dead or a weakened live virus that you give to healthy individuals in order to trigger an immune system response to the virus before they are exposed to the full blown virus.
 

If your child is already sick, it is too dangerous to give them a vaccine on top of whatever illness he may already have.  What they can give him is Tamiflu, but this is only effective within the first  48 hours of showing symptoms, if he has been having symptoms longer than 48 hours, Tamiflu is ineffective. Tamiflu is NOT a cure, nor is it a vaccine. It is simply a medication that can helpslow the spread of the virus in the body, and is not always effective either.

The best thing you can do for your child is to make him drink plenty of water and monitor him closely. If his conditions worsen , or he has trouble breathing, take him to the ER if you have to, but make sure he is being cared for properly 24 hours a day. If the fever rises within 3 hours of taking either Tylenol or Motrin( both regular strength), You can start alternating Tylenol and Motrin every 3 -4 hours at his recommended dosage depending on how high his fever rises in between dosages. Only do this if his fever is  greatly rising rapidly before the 4-6 hour dosing periods. You also need to have popscicles ready, and if his temperature will not go down, you can give him popscicles and a lukewarm bath in order to cool him down.

It is also good to have a good nasal spray handy, in case he needs to have his air passages blown open.

If he is having severe congestion,  childrens mucinex mini melts is one of the best things you can give him. The Orange creme flavor is the best tasting. link: www.drugstore.com/qxp170528_333181_sespider/mucinex_kids/cough_expectorant_mini_melts_orange_creme.htm

Remember to make him drink plenty of water, even if he doesn;t want to, the best thing you can do is flush the virus out. Have Gatorade or pedialyte ready as well. IF he starts having loose stools,  Gatorade or pedialyte can help prevent dehydration. If he starts having stomache problems, give him rice. Rice is one of the most platable foods, and will be easier on his stomach.

A good way to make rice taste good for children so they will eat it, is to take one can Campbells Chicken with Rice soup ,  one can of minute rice , and one can of water. Bring it to a boil and cook until rice is soft. Let cool down before serving.

Remember to watch him closely, do not just give him meds and send him to bed, check on him every couple of hours throughout the night and make sure his fever isn't rising rapidly, that he is breathing okay, is well hydrated, and is comfortable. Watching him closely is key if he has come  down with H1N1.  If he gets worse do not second guess yourself,  take him to the hospital or doctors office, it is better to be safe than sorry. Good luck, I hope he feels better soon.

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Originally posted by JestorRodo

 

 

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Originally posted by Deewe

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Originally posted by Cleffy
 
This is completely political.  Its an attempt to deface the Obama Administration because Obama was behind destributing the H1N1 Vaccine.

 

 

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Sure as much as I don't live in USA at all, so honestly I don't care about Obama or Bush or whoever...
 

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Yeah you only Live in the USA online - Long Beach Ca. according to your profile. Hows the weather?
Well , the only thing I know is this . I took my 10 year old to the doctor yesterday with 100.5 fever , cough and other flu like symptoms. They have had no vaccines . This morning he is at 101.7. He has never had the Flu before. IF this is Political and someone has prevent the distribution of the vaccines to make Obama look bad then they now have another problem...me.
 
 

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I moved since and didn't update my profile, hope it's not a sin ;)

Although everyone should read devillscious answer as she's 100% right and honestly anybody with half a brain can see he knows what she's speaking about.

If you read well he's not against vaccines but as most experts he's against mass vaccination. clicky for more information

Also the confirmed cases are in fact 2-20% of what is officially stated clicky 
(edit: more likely you child has a regular flu. which still need to be cured)

If your chlid really has a flu the best you can do to help him is do all what devillscious wrote and certainly not infect him with any vaccine that would only put more stress on his already solicited immune system.

Look, we just want you and your child to be fit. Ask yourself the following question: what would be our interest to have you and million of others persons be sick and spread a virus that we would someday get?

You might think we are misinformed, if so, check the links I provided, use google and crosscheck everything. And if you still don't know follow the money.

Do not react by fear but use your intuition.

And as always when there is a doubt at least a part of it is true.

When I first heard about H1N1 back in April I believe, I then decided that I wouldn't take any vaccine.

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Originally posted by Deewe
 

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Originally posted by JestorRodo
 
 

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Originally posted by Deewe

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Originally posted by Cleffy
 
This is completely political.  Its an attempt to deface the Obama Administration because Obama was behind destributing the H1N1 Vaccine.
 
 

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Sure as much as I don't live in USA at all, so honestly I don't care about Obama or Bush or whoever...
 

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Yeah you only Live in the USA online - Long Beach Ca. according to your profile. Hows the weather?
Well , the only thing I know is this . I took my 10 year old to the doctor yesterday with 100.5 fever , cough and other flu like symptoms. They have had no vaccines . This morning he is at 101.7. He has never had the Flu before. IF this is Political and someone has prevent the distribution of the vaccines to make Obama look bad then they now have another problem...me.
 
 

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I moved since and didn't update my profile, hope it's not a sin ;)
 
Although everyone should read devillscious answer as she's 100% right and honestly anybody with half a brain can see he knows what she's speaking about.
If you read well he's not against vaccines but as most experts he's against mass vaccination. clicky for more information
Also the confirmed cases are in fact 2-20% of what is officially stated clicky 
(edit: more likely you child has a regular flu. which still need to be cured)
If your chlid really has a flu the best you can do to help him is do all what devillscious wrote and certainly not infect him with any vaccine that would only put more stress on his already solicited immune system.
Look, we just want you and your child to be fit. Ask yourself the following question: what would be our interest to have you and million of others persons be sick and spread a virus that we would someday get?
You might think we are misinformed, if so, check the links I provided, use google and crosscheck everything. And if you still don't know follow the money.
Do not react by fear but use your intuition.
And as always when there is a doubt at least a part of it is true.
 

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Ok , My USA bashing MMO Friend. My child really has a Flu...but my point is this that the vaccine was not an available option no matter if I exercised it or not. Since you have previously stated that you don't give a rats ass about the political implication of this Vaccine distribution then your opinion in this matter is moot but please visit us at any time but bring your bank roll and your surgical mask.

Originally posted by JestorRodo

 

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Originally posted by Deewe
 

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Originally posted by JestorRodo
 
 

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Originally posted by Deewe

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Originally posted by Cleffy
 
This is completely political.  Its an attempt to deface the Obama Administration because Obama was behind destributing the H1N1 Vaccine.
 
 

 

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Sure as much as I don't live in USA at all, so honestly I don't care about Obama or Bush or whoever...
 

 

 

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Yeah you only Live in the USA online - Long Beach Ca. according to your profile. Hows the weather?
Well , the only thing I know is this . I took my 10 year old to the doctor yesterday with 100.5 fever , cough and other flu like symptoms. They have had no vaccines . This morning he is at 101.7. He has never had the Flu before. IF this is Political and someone has prevent the distribution of the vaccines to make Obama look bad then they now have another problem...me.
 
 

 

 

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I moved since and didn't update my profile, hope it's not a sin ;)
 
Although everyone should read devillscious answer as she's 100% right and honestly anybody with half a brain can see he knows what she's speaking about.
If you read well he's not against vaccines but as most experts he's against mass vaccination. clicky for more information
Also the confirmed cases are in fact 2-20% of what is officially stated clicky 
(edit: more likely you child has a regular flu. which still need to be cured)
If your chlid really has a flu the best you can do to help him is do all what devillscious wrote and certainly not infect him with any vaccine that would only put more stress on his already solicited immune system.
Look, we just want you and your child to be fit. Ask yourself the following question: what would be our interest to have you and million of others persons be sick and spread a virus that we would someday get?
You might think we are misinformed, if so, check the links I provided, use google and crosscheck everything. And if you still don't know follow the money.
Do not react by fear but use your intuition.
And as always when there is a doubt at least a part of it is true.
 

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Ok , My USA bashing MMO Friend. My child really has a Flu...but my point is this that the vaccine was not an available option no matter if I exercised it or not. Since you have previously stated that you don't give a rats ass about the political implication of this Vaccine distribution then your opinion in this matter is moot but please visit us at any time but bring your bank roll and your surgical mask.

 

But I care for people health and yes your child's health too.

So far around 5000 have die from the virus: www.ubalert.com/a/11377

But to me, i think we raise such an alarm over this virus is because we don't really know what it will do, how much damage it'll cause, and how this virus will continue to mutate.

But i still believe its just another seasonal flu, just a new type...

An Epidemic of Fear: How Panicked Parents Skipping Shots Endangers Us All

lolwut?

Is this a parody..? Were they trying to be clever, or are they serious?

Oh noes, your neighbor didn't get the shot.. THEY DIDN'T GET THE SHOT! Call the POLICE!! OMG.. GET TO THE PANIC ROOM!!!

What a stupid joke this has all now become. I find how the government has handled the fiasco to be highly suspicious and disturbing. They've done nothing since the H1N1 train left the station but continually drum up fear at every stop. Now this crap in main publications... "Your neighbors are going to kill you." How can they judge who is doing the scare mongering?

I also really adore the folks who take on the "Necessary Sacrifice" and the "End justifies the Means" approach, because they care about your health and your child of course. How nice of those who care, thank you so much.. I appreciate your compassion....

There are a lot of people banking serious cash from this manufactured MEDIA DRIVEN EPIDEMIC of Fear.

Originally posted by aeroplane22

There are a lot of people banking serious cash from this manufactured MEDIA DRIVEN EPIDEMIC of Fear.

  Exactly, which is why most people in their right mind would refuse the vaccine.

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Originally posted by aeroplane22

There are a lot of people banking serious cash from this manufactured MEDIA DRIVEN EPIDEMIC of Fear.

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  Exactly, which is why most people in their right mind would refuse the vaccine.
 

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did you guys actually read the article? It is not about the H1N1 vaccination. It is about the interest groups that say all vaccination is bad for you.

Are you saying that we should stop polio vaccinations?

That is what is in the article itself.

The reason I posted it is that the linked video in the OP has a lot these advocates in it. People that want you to not vaccinate against crippling diseases that we no longer see because of widespread vaccination programs.

These advocates are given a stronger voice in the current climate of media driven fear over the swine flu shot.

Fear in the media is what currently sells. We are seeing less about terrorism or the 'economic meltdown' because it is no longer so immediate. When swineflu came out, it was a media godsend. First 'everyone will die from swineflu' and then 'everyone will die from swineflu immunization schemes'. Also you can appeal to American conservatives with "the government is forcing you to have a shot!" and American liberals with "the corporations just want to experiment on you for the money!".

Sure immunization for the swineflu has debatable advantages over the disadvantages, however vaccination itself is a proven technology that has saved lives and prevented a lot crippling disease. Be careful to not let a fear of the minor likelihood of a negative outcome from swineflu immunization lead to more people refusing widespread immunization of deadly and crippling disease.