Only a fool would think there aren't always people quitting a MMO at release no matter how good it is, or staying on no matter how bad it is.

In the same sense there were always people going to go back to WAR as there were always people who will have left and never come back once they made that decision to leave (in this case due to Aion).

Where Aion will go is still up in the air at the moment, WAR we've known the verdict of for well over a year. Will some people be returning at the moment? Sure, but probably no more than left to begin with, so to call it a rise in subs is a bit dubious.

If anything is pulling people into WAR right now it's that they fixed some performance and removed the forts. Both of which will make the game feel significantly different, for a while, because the latter already started to wear on people after a day or so.

Originally posted by Ghostmind

Originally posted by junzo316

Originally posted by Ghostmind

Who says things are looking grim for Aion?

The game has been out exactly a month. Not even NCSoft knows how it's going yet.

 

Actually the game has been out about a year.  I'm sure NCSoft has a good idea how well the game is doing.

 

Not in this market it hasn't. Concrete numbers indicating the potential lifespan for new MMOs aren't reported to the suits this soon because they fluctuate way too often this early on to form anything that even looks like an educated guess.

Anyone saying that Aion is going to die, or "is looking grim" based on *any* info they have now is a fool. Same goes for people saying it'll be the greatest thing ever, based on current info.

No one knows anything yet, and it's too soon so start any kind of logical speculation.

I cancelled my subscription to Aion. That looks pretty grim to me.

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by Plaidpants

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by Plaidpants

Originally posted by tryklon

 Aion looking grim? The servers are full of ppl and the first 30 days are already gone.... lol

This one is dead, and no use in trying to make ppl believe it will suddenly come to life because in your head "things are looking grim for Aion"... even because Aion RvR is 1000000000 times better than in WAR, and ive been there

 

Certainly is not - and I'm not subbed to either anymore.

Aion will dwindle just like WAR did after release. Tons of people have already quit. Now it will just slowly, but steadily decline.

 

here are the servers today at 17,45h....   enough said

 

Hahaha - what's your point? Tons of people have unsubbed after the free month ran out whether you choose to believe it or not.

I never said it was going to be abandoned over night - but you chose  to ignore that fact.

And I got a good "lol" from you posting the server capacity - the game can change that number to their liking anytime they want.

 

hmmmm.... the free month is over

And im not even gonna discuss all of that conspiracy theory server capacity thingy...... *loony*

Umm, the free month has not run out yet. Not till the 29th.

Originally posted by Timzilla

Originally posted by tryklon

 

hmmmm.... the free month is over

And im not even gonna discuss all of that conspiracy theory server capacity thingy...... *loony*

 

Umm, the free month has not run out yet. Not till the 29th.

Europes free month is still ongoing. US has run out though. I couldn't make it past level 34 in Aion, just got bored and it is probably the most alt unfriendly mmo that I have ever played. The mechanics of the game are fine but it is just dull to me, that and all of the bots.

Originally posted by Pheace

Only a fool would think there aren't always people quitting a MMO at release no matter how good it is, or staying on no matter how bad it is.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that. What is being brought into quesiton is the opinions stated as fact that the game is dying, things are looking grim and people are leaving in droves.

There's no reason for anyone to go back to WAR under any circumstances.

Why not?

It was the most fun pvp I've had in an mmo.

 Main difference between Aion and Warhammer is that Aion's PvP gets better as you raise in level, and Warhammer's gets worse.

I don't think Aion will ever pull huge numbers because the western market simply has too much of a bias against grind based games, but I also don't think its in any danger of folding the way Warhammer did.  If nothing else, the Asian market will continue to pour money into the game(where its a major success), which will provide for new patches and new content.

So far it's not looking to bad for Aion it doesn't look like it's going to have a sudden population crash like WAR did at the end of it's free month as for long term who knows.

I have been playing Aion since launch.  Aion does have some problems, however, unlike most MMO launches since WoW I have tried, it does not look grim to me.  First, the aion west team is actually communicating with us on the major issues with the game, and also admitting mistakes and promising fixes.  That alone is more than any other launch I've seen.  The biggest fix is the 2 GB virtual limit where the rendering engine allocates more memory when windows says it is not allowed.  They are currently working on a fix for this.

For me, the game is exactly what I needed.  I did not get to play lineage 2 from launch, so playing now would  put me years behind people.  But with Aion I got to start with everyone.  The game is not "click here for a pat on the back".  Some people like easy games, and that is ok, I like games to give me a challenge on some level, mentally, or other.  Aion provides a challenge for me.

PvP in Aion is great IMO.  While it is not perfect, and incoorperates many features in other MMO's, it adds much more strategy to those features.  Potion strategy, food strategy, scroll strategy, should I fly, should I stay on the ground, when to use certain skills against certain classes.  I love it.  Having said that, make no mistake about it, aion is a PvP game true and true.  You will be ganked a lot.  You will get killed alot.  I don't understand the mindset of people not understanding what they are asking for.  They want more free PvP but then cry when they die.  Like it's the games fault that they are not better at playing the game.  I don't understand this concept.

In short, I think aion is doing very well.  It won't be a WoW killer, because it's too hard for most people who play WoW, but it will be around, and have a faithful player base of people who want a challenge to their game.

Originally posted by Plaidpants

 

Yeah - the free month is over - and lots of people did not renew their subscription - how is that hard to grasp? You really think that statistic is going to be evident by a server capacity picture? That's just ignorant.

And if I was in charge of an MMO I certainly would make sure to edit the numbers it takes to show a "high" or "full" server capacity to try to mask the population if it was hurting so it wouldn't scare new players away. Simple marketing - but once again - guess it's hard to expect much more from a close-minded individual. And before you spout of claiming I said Aion's population is hurting and not bothering to understand the concept/point - I'm not - but that's idiotic to believe that the devs don't mess with that limit.

Are you working for FunCom? Because that's what they did with AoC and I really hope NCSoft doesn't do that with Aion.

But to OP: I'm joining the bandwagon and think WAR is done for. It wasn't Aion that killed it for me (I'm playing Aion atm), but the fact I played WAR for a year and Mythic was unable to make the game work.

Originally posted by Pelaaja

Originally posted by Plaidpants

 

Yeah - the free month is over - and lots of people did not renew their subscription - how is that hard to grasp? You really think that statistic is going to be evident by a server capacity picture? That's just ignorant.

And if I was in charge of an MMO I certainly would make sure to edit the numbers it takes to show a "high" or "full" server capacity to try to mask the population if it was hurting so it wouldn't scare new players away. Simple marketing - but once again - guess it's hard to expect much more from a close-minded individual. And before you spout of claiming I said Aion's population is hurting and not bothering to understand the concept/point - I'm not - but that's idiotic to believe that the devs don't mess with that limit.

Are you working for FunCom? Because that's what they did with AoC and I really hope NCSoft doesn't do that with Aion.

But to OP: I'm joining the bandwagon and think WAR is done for. It wasn't Aion that killed it for me (I'm playing Aion atm), but the fact I played WAR for a year and Mythic was unable to make the game work.

 

Perhaps done for you, but there is still 100k+ people enjoying PvP rather than the horrible XP grindfest, for me at least the game is endgame not the grind.

If you like grinding then aion is perfect, here look at the graph :)

Originally posted by Zodan

Originally posted by Pelaaja

Originally posted by Plaidpants

 

Yeah - the free month is over - and lots of people did not renew their subscription - how is that hard to grasp? You really think that statistic is going to be evident by a server capacity picture? That's just ignorant.

And if I was in charge of an MMO I certainly would make sure to edit the numbers it takes to show a "high" or "full" server capacity to try to mask the population if it was hurting so it wouldn't scare new players away. Simple marketing - but once again - guess it's hard to expect much more from a close-minded individual. And before you spout of claiming I said Aion's population is hurting and not bothering to understand the concept/point - I'm not - but that's idiotic to believe that the devs don't mess with that limit.

Are you working for FunCom? Because that's what they did with AoC and I really hope NCSoft doesn't do that with Aion.

But to OP: I'm joining the bandwagon and think WAR is done for. It wasn't Aion that killed it for me (I'm playing Aion atm), but the fact I played WAR for a year and Mythic was unable to make the game work.

 

Perhaps done for you, but there is still 100k+ people enjoying PvP rather than the horrible XP grindfest, for me at least the game is endgame not the grind.

If you like grinding then aion is perfect, here look at the graph :)

Dumb genre choice then. If you don't enjoy the game until endgame just play FPS? No grind at all!

Originally posted by shayneforu

everyone is just bouncing around from games they loved to games they hope they will love. Everyone seems to be playing this repetitive bounce around game

This is def true.  i really just think there are so many games on the market you are never going to get that 1 mil sub anymore.  You are just gonna keep the few hundred thousand people or less that like the way your game runs.

Just seems every big MMO coming out lately its the same damn thing.  Hype hype,  great great, sub drop ooh the game sucks.  Not sure if this is all the games fault or just systematic of the current market.

Regardless of what happens to Aion, I don't think warhammer will see a revival of subscriptions. 

The Mythic team has had over a full year to show their best efforts and this is the results.  The team working on the game is much smaller than in the past year, so things will not improve. 

Even if I am wrong and people do return, the reasons they quit the game in the first place are still there, so odds are they will just leave again.

@Shayneforu

The reason people bounce around from game to game is that most games either terrible or they are shallow copies of a game you have already played until you are bored to death of it. 

We will see another 1 million+ game when a developer creates a game good enough to retain people. 

WAR killed itself.

NCsoft said they were aiming for 1million+ subs for Aion. With a very pervasive grind throughout the whole game, I cant see them getting there. I did the standard "cancel the subscription after activating" when I started playing, and I have no compulsion to subscribe when my time is up on the 29th Oct (I bought the game a little later than others)

Originally posted by Zodan

Originally posted by Pelaaja

Originally posted by Plaidpants

 

Yeah - the free month is over - and lots of people did not renew their subscription - how is that hard to grasp? You really think that statistic is going to be evident by a server capacity picture? That's just ignorant.

And if I was in charge of an MMO I certainly would make sure to edit the numbers it takes to show a "high" or "full" server capacity to try to mask the population if it was hurting so it wouldn't scare new players away. Simple marketing - but once again - guess it's hard to expect much more from a close-minded individual. And before you spout of claiming I said Aion's population is hurting and not bothering to understand the concept/point - I'm not - but that's idiotic to believe that the devs don't mess with that limit.

Are you working for FunCom? Because that's what they did with AoC and I really hope NCSoft doesn't do that with Aion.

But to OP: I'm joining the bandwagon and think WAR is done for. It wasn't Aion that killed it for me (I'm playing Aion atm), but the fact I played WAR for a year and Mythic was unable to make the game work.

 

Perhaps done for you, but there is still 100k+ people enjoying PvP rather than the horrible XP grindfest, for me at least the game is endgame not the grind.

If you like grinding then aion is perfect, here look at the graph :)

One idiot creates a useless graph representing a single point of fact and now we have other idiots posting it as if it is somehow now a fact. What does this graph indicate? It indicates that as your level increases you need more experience points to reach the next level. OMG thank you ever so much for informing us all with this critical and obviously hidden information. Personally, I'm appalled that a company can treat us this way as obviously you should only need to earn 1K for each level though of course then instead of having 50 or 80 levels they might end up with players at level 5 million but as long as you don't have to grind to achieve a level the fact that there are still 4.99 million levels left it can't be a grind.

Idiots. You need more experience but gee as you level you can do more damage and attack bigger and better mobs and you get more experience from killing them and more loot and better loot. OMG it is almost like these games scale! We really need to get this earth shattering news out.

If you don't want to play a game that requires you spend a bit of time and effort that is fair enough and you can go back to your gameboy and download cheat codes to skip the hard parts. But, don't make your lazyness out to be the fault of the game or the developers.

As to the OP's theme there is no quantifiable evidence that things are bad with Aion and the subjective evidence is that at this time things are reasonable stable. Does Aion have issues? Of course it does and if they don't fix them they will be in trouble much as Warhammer is. I loved Warhammer early on and can't really say why I haven't returned to it but people comment that Aion is a grind yet I have reached level 38 and it hasn't felt like a grind but with Warhammer it did and I didn't enjoy it possibly they have improved it but hard to see me or anyone I know going back to it.

Some people just dont give a shit about the journey, all they see is "end game". Me, i enjoy the journey the most, so i say, bring on the grind!

So what if Aion succeeds or not? WAR and Aion are not competitors, WAR is over regardless of how Aion will do, or not do. People are just trying to find a target for their anger over the death of yet another PvP MMO.

Which, btw. fuels my long-standing argument that ever since the release of the 2nd generation of MMOs, being EQ2, WoW and others with their heavy emphasis on a new audience, there is virtually no way to create a lasting PvP MMO anymore. Every MMO that tried to build on PvP since then has horribly fallen, and often due to PvP reasons. The one exception, EVE, is really a much different game as it isnt theme park, and thus isnt trying for the main audience.

The mainstream audience is not compatible with anything but moderated PvE gameplay with narrow boundaries. It is actually groomed ever more into that direction: When WoW released, people were still able to play with crowd control, behave in teams and work in larger groups, even that has eroded into what is the "standard" today... quick, auto-win solo levelling of stupidly similar quests along a linear path towards the greatest items for everybody.

If Aion fails, that is yet another nail in the coffin for PvP MMOs. So even if you miss WAR, or AoC, or DAOC, your best bet is Aion actually succeeding. The only other mainstream PvP MMO on the horizon is GW2, and I wouldnt bet on NCSoft getting it right then either, if they mess up now.

Originally posted by mutombo55

WAR killed itself.

NCsoft said they were aiming for 1million+ subs for Aion. With a very pervasive grind throughout the whole game, I cant see them getting there. I did the standard "cancel the subscription after activating" when I started playing, and I have no compulsion to subscribe when my time is up on the 29th Oct (I bought the game a little later than others)

Out of curiousity what level did you reach before you stopped playing? Obviously, if you weren't enjoying the game then you shouldn't resubscribe and should look for something else.

Personally, I have found that Aion can be a grind at times but I suspect it turns out that way if you let it. For example I was working on an alternate character the other day who is currently level 28. He has plenty of quests in his log but a lot of them are group quests or require travel via rifts and he isn't high enough to get new quests in other PvE zones yet. So, I was running around trying to finish up some odd quests and killing mobs that were level 23 to 25 and sometimes at my level. With my rested bonus I was getting experience as low as 1k to around 3k per mob and it was a grind. I then went and explored another area and found some level 30ish mobs and was getting about 15k of experience per mob and that 5 fold increase change the feel from a grind to flying.

People can turn any game into a grind. You want to sit for hours watching the same thing then do some ice mining in Eve online. You want to run the same quests over and over and over for months on end then do faction grinding in WoW. You want to just get experience and don't care about playing the game then you can stand in any corner of the world in any game and just do the same thing over and over to get experience no matter how slow and boring it might be.

I am not saying you did this or that you didn't try everything out I am just saying that it is easy enough to turn anything into a grind. It is always fun and enjoyable to reach the end of a game or to reach the high end and look back at what you accomplished but if you didn't enjoy the trip then the whole thing was pointless. This is the reason I stopped playing Warhammer as I wasn't enjoying the trip.

AION is a korean game.. NCSOFT was always known for its grindy games... and you cant say that oh its a grind if you want it to....LOL

it didnt matter if you quest in a NCSOFT game or not.. it was all very grindy... its the way the koreans like it.  takes a LONG TIME TO LEVEL in their games.

every game i have ever tried by NCSOFT was no different then its last...

as for the naysayers saying WAR is dead... BS

its far from dead.

in fact i resubbed and lovin it... nonstop action in tier 4

on top of that... if any of you played DAOC.. Mythic thrives on RVR for end game... and most who complained about WAR never played daoc or truly knows mythics history... RVR is its end game.. yet so many complained thats not enough...

LOL

cant laugh enough that you didnt expect that... thats what the end game is in WAR.. ITS PVP.. ITS OPEN RVR.. that is the end game... not pve... and if you know mythic from DAOC.. PVE was never their strong suit....

their strong point was RVR...

until the thick headed realize that... those thick headed will continue to bash the game.

its a fun game... and my suggestion... resubb and give it a chance.

Looking at xfire stats, WAR took a small drop in activity around Aion's launch, but is now back up to where it was. Aion on the other hand has been plummeting throughout the month. It'll be interesting to see what happens when the free month is up.

Originally posted by Khaunshar

If Aion fails, that is yet another nail in the coffin for PvP MMOs. So even if you miss WAR, or AoC, or DAOC, your best bet is Aion actually succeeding. The only other mainstream PvP MMO on the horizon is GW2, and I wouldnt bet on NCSoft getting it right then either, if they mess up now.

 

NCSoft isn't making GW2, ArenaNet is.

Originally posted by RendRegen

Looking at xfire stats, WAR took a small drop in activity around Aion's launch, but is now back up to where it was. Aion on the other hand has been plummeting throughout the month. It'll be interesting to see what happens when the free month is up.

That makes sense though. People always play the crap out of a game when it comes out, then it drops off.

That said, yeah they'll probably lose quite a number on the end of the free month like most MMO's seem to do these days.

Originally posted by willvas

AION is a korean game.. NCSOFT was always known for its grindy games... and you cant say that oh its a grind if you want it to....LOL

it didnt matter if you quest in a NCSOFT game or not.. it was all very grindy... its the way the koreans like it.  takes a LONG TIME TO LEVEL in their games.

every game i have ever tried by NCSOFT was no different then its last...

as for the naysayers saying WAR is dead... BS

its far from dead.

in fact i resubbed and lovin it... nonstop action in tier 4

on top of that... if any of you played DAOC.. Mythic thrives on RVR for end game... and most who complained about WAR never played daoc or truly knows mythics history... RVR is its end game.. yet so many complained thats not enough...

LOL

cant laugh enough that you didnt expect that... thats what the end game is in WAR.. ITS PVP.. ITS OPEN RVR.. that is the end game... not pve... and if you know mythic from DAOC.. PVE was never their strong suit....

their strong point was RVR...

until the thick headed realize that... those thick headed will continue to bash the game.

its a fun game... and my suggestion... resubb and give it a chance.

Except of course for the fact that WAR's RVR is a poor imitation of DAOC's and nothing like what is could/should have been.

Thinking of missing elements such as 3 factions, dungeons like Darkness Falls, death that actually hurt a bit  (in the form of forced downtime/cash) to fight over etc