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Originally posted by Euphoryk
Not a fact at all. I run fine with a system that is UNDER min reqs. You are just spouting garbage that you read somewhere, when you have no actual knowledge of how the game performs ingame. Ridiculous.
Not only that, but he is attempting to afflict his words with "Just as the reviewer found!" in order to use emotion to strengthen his non-argument in order to make others feel for and believe what he has to say even though it is a matter of opinion. |
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Originally posted by daylight01 Thanks for that...never laughed so much when it came to be would be PC experts..great stuff. My advice go buy a PS3 or an XBOX.. Please, please, go read more about computer parts before trying to discredit me without stating, in any form, evidence. You are basically saying... "I don't agree and you are an idiot! Get an xbox!" As a reply to what I said. |
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Originally posted by superslaya
Not only that, but he is attempting to afflict his words with "Just as the reviewer found!" in order to use emotion to strengthen his non-argument in order to make others feel for and believe what he has to say even though it is a matter of opinion.
Well, I now know that you are just trolling me. No one with any computer experience could be saying the stuff you are and believe it. Go umm, good day to you, wont be seeing any more of you garbage!
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Originally posted by daylight01 Tbh mate I agree a solid 8,though even if the new reviewer gives it a 6.9(the same as the other reviewer) then that is fair enough. At least this time it will be a fair 6.9 and I have no problems with that. Amen brother, amen. Oh, and it should have a written review baring some teeth to go along with the 6.9 too. Asheron's Call. The one open world, classless progression, live team content oriented game that ALL game sites and developers show little respect for as a template to pattern future MMOs after.
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Originally posted by superslaya Please, please, go read more about computer parts before trying to discredit me without stating, in any form, evidence. You are basically saying... "I don't agree and you are an idiot! Get an xbox!" As a reply to what I said. Well here is the basic requirements needed also do not forget to take any other programs you need memory for,also then look to the game requirements and make sure you have enough spare memory to run the game/program...as you will see 1gb as you stated would jst be enough to run your basic programs never mind the game you are trying to play.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks" http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8 |
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I swear to god I have never seen any one place filled with as many unsubstantiated claims as I am here today! "You are an idiot because we aren't agreeing!" Is the main property shared throughout most of your arguments and it is ludacris, pure insanity. I built my computer from the ground up. I have plenty of computer experience because I have worked extensively with them since I was 8 years old. I am turning 20 on the third of November. Time of this report: 10/24/2009, 22:10:26 There is my setup and I have worked with it on many different ram configurations ranging from 512 to as you see now, 3070. Each setup was capable of running and sustaining Age of Conan. I have 3 1 gig sticks of OCZ inside of it right now. PC 8500 1066 dual channel memory. I am not some chump over here trying to short change you people. I am telling you that you cannot run about saying this or that as truth when you have no real evidence. Suspicion does not qualify as evidence and as it stands that is all you have. --------------- Forgot my GPU. |
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Originally posted by superslaya For a start you are using XP not Vista and XP uses alot less RAM and since the reviewer was using Vista I am still not sure you know what you are talking about.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks" http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8 |
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Originally posted by superslaya
There is no proof of deceit, just the original review, the amendment and a set of posts from the editor about the system used that taken together aren't very convincing. I agree people throwing the word "liar" around need to take it down a notch. The real issue is the doubt that the reviewer *did* use a system that meets the minimum system requirements as set out by Icarus on the FE website. That doubt is definitely there, and fits both the extensive lag that the reviewer reported for FE (in and out of the busy towns) and the pattern of reporting extensive lag for other games reviewed using the same set up.
A second issue is the gap between the text of the review and the final score. This is quite clear too.
So, on both counts, the retraction was a good decision, despite the absence of "proof beyond a shadow of a doubt".
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Originally posted by Strap
There is no proof of deceit, just the original review, the amendment and a set of posts from the editor about the system used that taken together aren't very convincing. I agree people throwing the word "liar" around need to take it down a notch. The real issue is the doubt that the reviewer *did* use a system that meets the minimum system requirements as set out by Icarus on the FE website. That doubt is definitely there, and fits both the extensive lag that the reviewer reported for FE (in and out of the busy towns) and the pattern of reporting extensive lag for other games reviewed using the same set up.
A second issue is the gap between the text of the review and the final score. This is quite clear too.
So, on both counts, the retraction was a good decision, despite the absence of "proof beyond a shadow of a doubt".
I agree for the most part.
As far as the difference in RAM consumption between both XP and Vista goes, I am well aware of it. I was merely trying to inform you that RAM was not the biggest component in why he had lag. Regardless, if indeed he was not using the recommended setup for the game the review should be redone and a system of checks set into place so that you know for sure that the Reviewer has, at best, at setup of an average player that the game seeks to draw in. |
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Originally posted by Euphoryk
You have three posts since registering in 07. Hello trolling account. Not a trolling account.I just rarely respond to anything on these forums.I think My question here is as valid as any other one here. I mean I have read several reviews on MMO's that have low scores because of ther lack of ability to run smooth.Which in my opinion is a hell of a reason to not like it.the game can be the greatest thing since sliced bread and yet if its subscribers can't even play it in a comfortable manner then all of that means squat.Maybe FE will be great at some point.It does have alot of potential,But more games in the MMO world that have been said to have tons of potential have failed than succeeded.Hell maybe there will be a review after the game works out its kinks and gets an 8.But for now I feel the score is fair.I think the review should have went more in depth than it did though.So if the new reviewer feels the same will you accept it, is my question. |
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Originally posted by korndog22 Not a trolling account.I just rarely respond to anything on these forums.I think My question here is as valid as any other one here. I mean I have read several reviews on MMO's that have low scores because of ther lack of ability to run smooth.Which in my opinion is a hell of a reason to not like it.the game can be the greatest thing since sliced bread and yet if its subscribers can't even play it in a comfortable manner then all of that means squat.Maybe FE will be great at some point.It does have alot of potential,But more games in the MMO world that have been said to have tons of potential have failed than succeeded.Hell maybe there will be a review after the game works out its kinks and gets an 8.But for now I feel the score is fair.I think the review should have went more in depth than it did though.So if the new reviewer feels the same will you accept it, is my question. Yeah, well, apparently you didn't read the review he wrote. The only negative thing he said about the game in the written portion of the review was that he had lag. Then I guess they figured out, by looking at his past reviews and his listing of his sytem specs, that the 2GB Ram he had with Vista was indeed his system setup, and that it's 2 GB short of what FE lists on its website is a requirement. That would explain some lag, yeah. I have 4GB OCZ ram and Vista -32 and I run FE just fine. I don't have "mindnumbing lag" as the reviewer put it, to where I get killed. My beef, again, was that the written portion didn't match the number assigned. Plain and simple. If it was to be a 6.9 he'd have to have said many more negative things than just lag. He didn't. If the new reviewer doesn't like it, writes a negative review and gives a low score, so be it. That person just may not like the game that FE is, which is cool. For those that do like this kind of MMO, it's assuredly a 7.5 to 8.5 game. Solid with room for improvement and polish. Certainly no worse than any of the so-called AAA efforts released of late.
Asheron's Call. The one open world, classless progression, live team content oriented game that ALL game sites and developers show little respect for as a template to pattern future MMOs after.
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Originally posted by superslaya
You are the first one that actually said the the amount of RAM in a computer is the most forgiving part when it comes to performance. And I've spent time with the PC platform, it's hardware and discussing things with people IRL, longer then you have lived... :S You ran AoC with 512MB RAM? I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention. |
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Originally posted by Orphes
You are the first one that actually said the the amount of RAM in a computer is the most forgiving part when it comes to performance. And I've spent time with the PC platform, it's hardware and discussing things with people IRL, longer then you have lived... :S You ran AoC with 512MB RAM? LMFAO The following statement is false |
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Excellent move to redo this review and set up a system of how the scores will be done. 10/10 |
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Originally posted by Chach On this one, we're between a rock and a hard place. Reviews are generally most useful to people making purchasing decisions. Our general policy on big launches is to do a preview within a week of launch based on Beta play, a first impressions a week after launch and then a review 3 to 4 weeks out. This one came out about a month after launch because Aion launched on the same day and that review ran last week. Is four weeks enough time to give a complete and total opinion on an MMO? Probably not, but it is enough time to let people know whether or not it is worth buying. Normally, the first month of gameplay should be indicative, although that has fallen apart on us in the past. Take Age of Conan, which was awesome for 20 levels, got huge review scores out of the gate and then went all to hell.
Originally posted by MMO_Doubter Well, yeah. It would have. Now those of us who haven't read it, never can. Post a disclaimer if you wish, but leave it up. If it is flawed, then other posters can point that out quite ably. Stifling speech is very rarely a good thing. This is a bad precedent. We took it down because there is no proper way to archive it without it displaying the score all over the site. Had this been a random editorial, we likely would have done as you said, but given the nature of our backend when it comes to review it's an all or nothing proposition. Plus, we were not trying to hide it. We're not idiots, we know Google remembers everything ;)
Originally posted by Banquetto Not that anyone who makes this kind of tinfoil hat post will believe this, but I figure I should say it anyway: Icarus and I never discussed this review prior to me pulling it. Not once. It stayed up until Friday mostly due to my travel schedule, unfortunately. |
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Originally posted by Orphes
You are the first one that actually said the the amount of RAM in a computer is the most forgiving part when it comes to performance. And I've spent time with the PC platform, it's hardware and discussing things with people IRL, longer then you have lived... :S You ran AoC with 512MB RAM? By all means, tell me what you think to be the most forgiving part.
And yes, it worked well enough, but I couldn't run anything else at the same time and I never participated in the big 80 man keep sieges like that. However, those things could even bog down my system under 3 gigs unless I took the settings way down. |
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Why are people having a hard time understanding that the review wasn't taken down because of the score but because of the under-performing rig of the reviewer? He simply did not have a computer that matched the minimum specs of the game then complained about issues that were well within the realm of being caused by his under-performing computer. An analogy might be a book reviewer that has dyslexia and is an ESL. Sure, they might be able to read the book, but do you think it'll be a fair review because they can't understand some of the words and they don't take the effort to research those words, then complain that some sections of the book were incomprehensible and didn't make any sense, though overall the book was ok? Reviewers are not all objective nor will they agree with popular opinion. All you can do is read many different reviews to get a general feel for the game, user as well as 'professional'. The game isn't for everyone, just as Eve isn't for everyone. Wow is certainly not for everyone and yet is popularly regarded as the best game out there. What it boils down to is that it doesn't matter what other people think, but what /you/ think.
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Double Post. |
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Please, stop making claims when there is no solid evidence to support it. We do not know one way or the other if the man had a proper computer or not. At this point it is all hear say. |
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Originally posted by Dana I consider this to be a flame. Is it appropriate for a member of staff to be writing things like this? |
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Originally posted by MMO_Doubter I consider this to be a flame. Is it appropriate for a member of staff to be writing things like this?
Are you suggesting that they should "retract" the statement?
~Hairysun
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It doesn't really matter SO much if you have a killer system to play Fallen Earth on, as it still has its moments with lag and crashes. In my 40 hours of playtime the game crashed about 10 times, for whatever reason (good gaming system, latest drivers and all!). There was also massive lag during my time in the somewhat larger towns/cities and during fighting outside on the plains. I saw lots of things which are server related, like warping players/enemies, non-registering hits, etc.
It's a pretty cool game overall, but in terms of performance it really is not release worthy. When Vanguard released everyone was bragging about the horrible performance, but for Fallen Earth today nobody is, and it's just a tad bit better.
I tried to help the devs by providing them with useful information about the crashes and all, but unfortunately sometimes the game doesn't even create .DMP files...
Great game in terms of options and setting, but still needs a few months of serious engine tuning. The game will survive this however, because it's the only one in its sub-genre and is aimed towards a somewhat more sandboxy community.
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Originally posted by superslaya By all means, tell me what you think to be the most forgiving part.
I think I would go with the 2 little screws holding my side panel on,I also have 2 plastic clasps that lock it,so I guess if I was to take these 2 screws away it would be pretty forgiving on my system. I dont think this would gimp my system in any shape or form unlike if I was to start lowering my RAM,CPU,PSU etc etc etc. /Sarcasm off.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks" http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8 |
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Originally posted by daylight01 By all means, tell me what you think to be the most forgiving part.
I think I would go with the 2 little screws holding my side panel on,I also have 2 plastic clasps that lock it,so I guess if I was to take these 2 screws away it would be pretty forgiving on my system. I dont think this would gimp my system in any shape or form unlike if I was to start lowering my RAM,CPU,PSU etc etc etc. /Sarcasm off.
Nice, but I was actually speaking of parts that actually made a computer run, not the case you keep it in. I could quite easily strip my entire system from it's case and submerge it in a tub of oil. It would run quite admirably. Now then, of the parts it actually takes to boot up a computer? Altering the RAM used will probably change it the least, hence most RAM benchmarks maintaining about a 10 percent difference in strength.
Now, try the same with anything else and you are likely to see drastic changes. Try a graphics card with half of the power, you won't be able to start the game. Use half the RAM? It will still play. |
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Originally posted by Wootson
No, it's a whole lot better than Vanguard which is why so few people are complaining about the performance. I've played FE since just before the end of beta, initially on my then main machine being a P4 with 2gb RAM (XP 32) and the game was certainly a bit sluggish then on low settings compared to my playing since retail on my new quad core with 8gb RAM (VIsta 64) and incredibly smooth performance on totally max settings. Both times I was running with a 20mbs internet connection from the UK, the game being based in the US. At no point with either machine have I ever suffered any real lag or had a single CTD. Last night I was at the first 40 minutes or so of the Massively live event with (I'm guessing) around 100 other players huddled together in a single location (to catch all the local chat), and the server didn't falter once, nor did my character. Many of the players were dancing or riding around on mounts and no-one appeared to be struggling performance-wise. No-one was complaining. You couldn't have done that in VG or a good many other MMOs within a month of launch. The game runs very well if you have a decent rig, but not surprisingly it doesn't run too well if you have less than the minimum required rig, as the reviewer found out. I don't see how anyone can blame Icarus for that! |
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