Originally posted by grunt187

 

Ok one more time and im out. The reviewer didn't meet req specs for the game so his review is flawed.

 

i dont remember very well but x1300 (min required) have 256 mb like hd 3850(used on the reivew)

Originally posted by cosy

Originally posted by grunt187

 

Ok one more time and im out. The reviewer didn't meet req specs for the game so his review is flawed.

 

 

i dont remember very well but x1300 (min required) have 256 mb like hd 3850(used on the reivew)

It was his RAM,you posted many replies yet you never even read the review or this thread it would seem.

The reviewer only had 2gb RAM and was using Vista,which do not meet the requirements for the game,also he had reviewed 3 or 4 other game's in the past and always said lag was a problem,which was hardly surprising since he was indeed only using 2gb RAM with Vista.

Now hopefully I mentioned RAM and Vista enough for your eye to catch at least 1 of them as you glance through the thread.

The reviewer only had 2gb RAM and was using Vista,which do not meet the requirements for the game,

Performance/Lag

I am running Fallen Earth with Windows Vista Ultimate on a Dual Core E6750 @2.66, Dual ATI Radeon HD 3850, 4 Gigs of RAM and cable modem.

that stuff is on review

Originally posted by cosy

The reviewer only had 2gb RAM and was using Vista,which do not meet the requirements for the game,

Performance/Lag

I am running Fallen Earth with Windows Vista Ultimate on a Dual Core E6750 @2.66, Dual ATI Radeon HD 3850, 4 Gigs of RAM and cable modem.

 

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that stuff is on review

It said two gigs originally. Everyone already knows the guy lied about it so there's no point in trying to defend him.
 

Originally posted by alacres

It said two gigs originally. Everyone already knows the guy lied about it so there's no point in trying to defend him.
 

i dint see that IF that is true how come the review was published ??? none check this things before are published ?

Originally posted by cosy

Originally posted by alacres

It said two gigs originally. Everyone already knows the guy lied about it so there's no point in trying to defend him.
 

i dint see that IF that is true how come the review was published ??? none check this things before are published ?

This has all been spoken about in this thread and the original thread,it was a mistake but a mistake that MMORPG.com have fixed,that is why the review was pulled but still people are going on about it saying it should not have been retracted,though these people have no idea why it was retracted in the 1st place they simply think because it was a low score and people complained that it was retracted,this of course was not the case as has been posted in this thread many many times.

Originally posted by cosy

Originally posted by alacres

It said two gigs originally. Everyone already knows the guy lied about it so there's no point in trying to defend him.
 

i dint see that IF that is true how come the review was published ??? none check this things before are published ?

It is completely true, Stradden edited the article and changed it from 2GB to 4GB after speaking with his reviewer.

Anyways, it was also proven that the reviewer lied to Stradden to cover his own ass, and that the system he plays with does indeed have 2GB of RAM, not 4GB (as the reviewer attempted to try and claim that the 2GB was a typo and that was actually his video ram, but corsair does not manufacture vram and the model/make of video card he has did not have a 1GB model).

How come the review was published? that's what we've all been trying to find out the entire time, but Stradden just glossed over any of the proof that his reviewer had lied about anything. It would appear that is exactly the problem Cosy, the editors don't seem to have to do much actual editing on this supposed mmo news publication site, they just get a submission and push it to the frontpage without even reviewing the content.

Hence, why I recommend going elsewhere for reviews or pertinent mmo information. TTH and Massively are both one hundred times more reliable and respectable sites than MMORPG.com is. At one point I would have never expected to hear myself say this (I had a great deal of respect for this site and its staff), but unfortunately it has become reality as this site has been sliding down a slippery slope for quite some time now, and it appears it has finally hit the bottom.

Originally posted by twhint

Originally posted by superslaya

I can only pray all of this complaining has not lost a man his job. If he felt it was a 6.9 his opinion should not cost his lively hood.

 

Also guys, a drop in frame rate -is- lag. There are multiple forms of lag and that happens to be one of them. Network lag is another.

 

It's not the score that would cost him his job,  but his incompetence in performing his job.  It's like a nuclear engineer claiming he has a doctorate when it turns out he really only has an associates in applied science. He played the game with a system that was below specs then complained about lag issues that were, more than likely, caused by his sub-par system.  Then, he went on to correct himself that the 2 gigs he was referring to were his video card RAM, rather than his system RAM, notwithstanding that Corsair doesn't even make video RAM or that he had claimed the same system specs for all of his reviews that he had done. So to compound his incompetence,  he lied about it. If he still had a  job, he would be quite lucky, as I don't know of very many companies that would support such behavior.

  Obviously there was something lost between translation between himself and the person who put the information back up.

He most likely had 4gb of cosair ram set inside of 240 pin slots and separate video

 ram inside of each of his cards.

 Also, your reference to a Nuclear Engineer is totally unfounded. This review was the equivalent to a man writing a review, which is often a matter of subjectivity on this website, about a game. He spoke of his performance as was often done by others.

However, on this particular day, Mr. Nuclear Engineer Reviewer Man did not account that there would be a wave of fans, or I should say FANATICS because that is what the word means, who would not enjoy that his personal experience had not be worth of anything over a 7.

It is ludacris that people are on this forum complaining about something that is obviously a matter of flavor, of taste, of opinion.

To the man posting above me, you need to learn what proof surrogate is. If you as say "well it's proven this or that!" then you must supply the proof or expect me to accept you with even less credibility then you accept this man's review.

Originally posted by superslaya

  Obviously there was something lost between translation between himself and the person who put the information back up.

He most likely had 4gb of cosair ram set inside of 240 pin slots and separate video

 ram inside of each of his cards.

 Also, your reference to a Nuclear Engineer is totally unfounded. This review was the equivalent to a man writing a review, which is often a matter of subjectivity on this website, about a game. He spoke of his performance as was often done by others.

However, on this particular day, Mr. Nuclear Engineer Reviewer Man did not account that there would be a wave of fans, or I should say FANATICS because that is what the word means, who would not enjoy that his personal experience had not be worth of anything over a 7.

It is ludacris that people are on this forum complaining about something that is obviously a matter of flavor, of taste, of opinion.

 

To the man posting above me, you need to learn what proof surrogate is. If you as say "well it's proven this or that!" then you must supply the proof or expect me to accept you with even less credibility then you accept this man's review.

He doesn't have to supply any proof. You need to research just a wee bit. This was big news yesterday.
 

The mmorpg.com Staff have already informed the community as to what happened and where they stand. So go check it out.

This has gone past the point of being silly.  This is not about the score that was given by the reviewer.  This is not about the bulk of the review.  It is quite simply about one paragraph in the review.  This one......

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*from the review

Performance/Lag

I am running Fallen Earth with Windows Vista Ultimate on a Dual Core E6750 @2.66, Dual ATI Radeon HD 3850, 4 Gigs of RAM and cable modem. The game installed without an issue and looked great. Unfortunately during game play is where I ran into considerable lag. By considerable I mean mind numbing, relentless lag. There were moments I would rather slam a part of me in a car door than try and move in the game. In the spirit of fairness, I tried a variety of Internet speed tests to check my connection, no problem there. From there I tried a couple of the more popular games out there, and they all worked just fine. Maybe it was just a glitch, but after multiple days of play, the lag just wouldn't quit. I pray I am in the minority and with luck perhaps I am the only one afflicted with this issue. Playing the game just became painful after awhile. It may be from the fact that there is only one server for the game. I expect a form of lag in the more populated areas, but not when I am running across a secluded wasteland with nothing more than a mutant chicken for company. I don't mind dying from a superior enemy, or even my inability to play a game. But death from lag is just plain unacceptable. I have to say that the folks at Fallen Earth have been making constant improvements from the game launch. Hopefully this issue will be addressed, or perhaps when the game settles into niche, the game may stabilize.

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Initially, the reviewer stated he had (2 Gigs of RAM) on his system.  Some folks called him out on the two gigs saying that you can barely run "Windows Vista Ultimate" with two gigs, much less an MMO as well.  Which is quite correct.  Stradden spoke with the reviewer about this and the reviewer stated that it was a typo and he actually had (4 gigs of RAM.)  Stradden promptly changed the review to read that his system had (4 Gigs of RAM).  Someone checked into his previous reviews (4-5 of them if I'm not mistaken) and in every one of those he states he had (2 Gigs of RAM).  It has been assumed that he was trying to cover his ass to Stradden and lied about the 4 gigs of RAM.

The review really isn't a bad one if you read it ....... except for the above paragraph.  MMORPG.com determined that a mistake had been made and based on available information the review would be retracted.  Not because fans didn't like the score.

A mistake had been made .....

MMORPG.com acted professionally and did the best thing they could ....... the retracted the review.  Hell, I'm about to mail the reviewer a couple more gigs of RAM and ask him how it plays now.  As a matter fact, I would have no problem with him simply editing his review after he got his system up to par.  The score at this point is irrelevant, it was all about the reviewers sub par machine and the above paragraph. 

It's like me saying, I installed WoW on my cell phone and it ran like shit.  Heh ........ go figure.  Hopefully this will get those that choose not to read through the thread before posting, up to speed.

~Hairysun

I played for 30 minutes and could not stand the game, sorry just not for me

Thanks, Hairy. Nice to see a reasoned post instead of all the people who think it was pulled since the FE devs complained or due to fanbois. It was pulled due to issues with the 'reviewer' who apparently lied and was called out on it, that's all.

I missed it.  I didn't read the review because I was too busy playing Fallen Earth despite the widespread bugs, unstable client, unstable servers, and overall bad performance.  After the 1.1.0 patch, I finally quit for good.  The MOB buff made gray missions impossible to solo and I started spending most of my time running back from the cloner.  And forget crafting.  It's fun as a secondary thing for your combat character, but after 1.1.0, crafting centered character development makes an unplayable character falls to MOBs half his level.

Without fast travel, and after 1.1.0, Fallen Earth is not for the casual gamer with less than hours at a time on their hands nor for those who like to solo.  The way that major combat change was made with no warning and so significantly changing my experience was reminiscent of SWG development.  Fallen Earth developers want the game to be hard and to appeal to a small few.  Good luck with that.  It's a game and has to be fun for me to want to play it.

If the review was retracted due to the sentiments and biased opinions of the remaining rabid fanbois, I hope the next one will stand on the facts.  The remaining player base is dedicated to the genre, like I was, and as the game goes down the tubes, they will become more furvent in their opinions, hoping good press will save the game they wish it was.

I'm hoping Bethesda or some experienced company can pull off a post-apocalyptic MMO that has the feel and the fun gameplay to really succeed.  Fallen Earth isn't it and the stated plans and demonstrated strategy for gameplay changes has it firmly set on a path similar to SWG.  Sad.  Very sad.

Originally posted by lukeborgman

I missed it.  I didn't read the review because I was too busy playing Fallen Earth despite the widespread bugs, unstable client, unstable servers, and overall bad performance.  After the 1.1.0 patch, I finally quit for good.  The MOB buff made gray missions impossible to solo and I started spending most of my time running back from the cloner.  And forget crafting.  It's fun as a secondary thing for your combat character, but after 1.1.0, crafting centered character development makes an unplayable character falls to MOBs half his level.

First of all, how much you personally enjoyed the game has nothing at all to do with this thread subject.

Secondly, that you're whining about the game being too hard to PVE in is just sad. I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm no hardcore PVEr myself, and I die in the game sometimes. But seriously- the 'big' complaint on the FE forums is that the PVE content is too easy and there's not enough grouping because the whole game can be soloed, with a few exceptions.

 I'm a casual gamer, I solo, and I love FE.  It's got a challenge level I enjoy, and fast travel would ruin the feel of the setting. Honestly, it sounds like you're complaining that the character design system allows you to make a character that sucks a combat....and have him actually suck at combat.  Yeah.

You're either incompetant, making stuff up, or somehow all the conversation on the FE forums is vastly mis-representing the game.  And even if it's the latter, a game with PVE content that's actually CHALLENGING is exactly what the industry needs.

 Although I love fallen earth I would like to say this is a bad idea. It sets a precedent that is not a good direction for this website. Now everything will come into question. Yes I disagree with what most of the review said but should have let it stand or just done a second review from a new set of eyes. Instead you are forced to raise the score almost and thats not good.

Originally posted by parrotpholk

 Although I love fallen earth I would like to say this is a bad idea. It sets a precedent that is not a good direction for this website. Now everything will come into question. Yes I disagree with what most of the review said but should have let it stand or just done a second review from a new set of eyes. Instead you are forced to raise the score almost and thats not good.

Anyone else seeing a pattern here?

You know with people responding to a thread without reading it,I mean Hairy just gave a full cap of the story behind the decision to retract the review only 1 page back,yet here is another post ready to start the whole thing yet again....the mind boggle's.

Originally posted by lukeborgman

I missed it.  I didn't read the review because I was too busy playing Fallen Earth despite the widespread bugs, unstable client, unstable servers, and overall bad performance.  After the 1.1.0 patch, I finally quit for good.  The MOB buff made gray missions impossible to solo and I started spending most of my time running back from the cloner.  And forget crafting.  It's fun as a secondary thing for your combat character, but after 1.1.0, crafting centered character development makes an unplayable character falls to MOBs half his level.

Without fast travel, and after 1.1.0, Fallen Earth is not for the casual gamer with less than hours at a time on their hands nor for those who like to solo.  The way that major combat change was made with no warning and so significantly changing my experience was reminiscent of SWG development.  Fallen Earth developers want the game to be hard and to appeal to a small few.  Good luck with that.  It's a game and has to be fun for me to want to play it.

If the review was retracted due to the sentiments and biased opinions of the remaining rabid fanbois, I hope the next one will stand on the facts.  The remaining player base is dedicated to the genre, like I was, and as the game goes down the tubes, they will become more furvent in their opinions, hoping good press will save the game they wish it was.

I'm hoping Bethesda or some experienced company can pull off a post-apocalyptic MMO that has the feel and the fun gameplay to really succeed.  Fallen Earth isn't it and the stated plans and demonstrated strategy for gameplay changes has it firmly set on a path similar to SWG.  Sad.  Very sad.

I like his statement about Bethesda or some other experienced company being able to pull it off,  when Bethesda has no experience in the MMO realm and even the companies that do still can't get it right. It's always the 'shit will smell good when "hyped game A" comes out', and his will be the voice talking about how it failed and  'shit will smell good when "Hyped game B" comes out',  etc.

Odd, while I did notice the increased damage and hit chance of mobs, the buff was nowhere near as dramatic as people claim. Before I could solo enitre camps that aggroed me (same level) with no risc (healing 1-2 times maybe). Now I can still take on 4-6 mobs but I need to watch my health now. Gray quests are not a problem, green quests are still easy and I can still run any normal yellow quests.

So maybe the problem is you and not the buff. Sure if you got used to the extreme easymode PvE now you struggle, but a bit of tactics and knowhow and you can easily make up for the buff. I play a Rifle/Crafter(mid 30s) and have a Melee too (low 20s) and both can hold their own.

Now the review was not retracted because of the score, but because of the fact that the reviewers only qualm with the game (lag - not clear if internet or framerate stutter) has been dismantled due to him playing the game on a PC that did not even meet the minimum requirements for the game. How can a review be fair if you don't even have a system to run the game properly.

Originally posted by cosy

The reviewer only had 2gb RAM and was using Vista,which do not meet the requirements for the game,

Performance/Lag

I am running Fallen Earth with Windows Vista Ultimate on a Dual Core E6750 @2.66, Dual ATI Radeon HD 3850, 4 Gigs of RAM and cable modem.

 

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that stuff is on review

Monthy Python, the MMORPG :D This is a farse, nothing else.

FIrst he stated 2 GB of Corsair RAM just like he has in every second review he have made.
Then he stated that the 2GB was a mistake. He really did mean that the GPU memory was at 2GB... (So for this specific review he had changed the hardware, better remove that [CTRL]+[V] macro huh?)

No ofcourse not, there is no readily avaible 3850 with 1GB VRAM. There is no typo when writing out such a detail on the memory and then change it to 4GB.

You should go and read the book "1984" there they do this all the time... forging the history that is. And there's people believing it, believing the rewritten text in old newspapers so they fit the current day and age, and it's inherant lies. :D

 "The Ministry of Truth (google cache in this case) serves an opposing purpose to that which its name would imply, being responsible for the falsification of historical events"

Originally posted by lukeborgman

I missed it.  I didn't read the review because I was too busy playing Fallen Earth despite the widespread bugs, unstable client, unstable servers, and overall bad performance.  After the 1.1.0 patch, I finally quit for good.  The MOB buff made gray missions impossible to solo and I started spending most of my time running back from the cloner.  And forget crafting.  It's fun as a secondary thing for your combat character, but after 1.1.0, crafting centered character development makes an unplayable character falls to MOBs half his level.

Without fast travel, and after 1.1.0, Fallen Earth is not for the casual gamer with less than hours at a time on their hands nor for those who like to solo.  The way that major combat change was made with no warning and so significantly changing my experience was reminiscent of SWG development.  Fallen Earth developers want the game to be hard and to appeal to a small few.  Good luck with that.  It's a game and has to be fun for me to want to play it.

If the review was retracted due to the sentiments and biased opinions of the remaining rabid fanbois, I hope the next one will stand on the facts.  The remaining player base is dedicated to the genre, like I was, and as the game goes down the tubes, they will become more furvent in their opinions, hoping good press will save the game they wish it was.

I'm hoping Bethesda or some experienced company can pull off a post-apocalyptic MMO that has the feel and the fun gameplay to really succeed.  Fallen Earth isn't it and the stated plans and demonstrated strategy for gameplay changes has it firmly set on a path similar to SWG.  Sad.  Very sad.

Almost everything you said is not true in anyway.

The Monty Python MMO continues...

Innocent mmorpg.com user: What manner of man are you that can summon up a review without RAM or consistency?

Joe: I... am a gamer

Innocent mmorpg.com user: By what name are you known?

Joe: There are some that call me... 'Joe'...?

Innocent mmorpg.com user: ... greetings, Joe the Gamer

Joe: Greetings, Innocent mmorpg.com user!

Innocent mmorpg.com user: You know my name?

Joe: I do.

[Kapow! impresses everyone by writing yet another amazing review complaining about lag]

You seek the Holy MMO!

Innocent mmorpg.com user: That is our quest. You know much that is hidden, O Joe.

...

Thank you for holding yourselves and your writers accountable. I did'nt even read the article, but it is refreshing to see a site that owns it's actions.

/Cheers.

I didn't even read the piece, but I'm disappointed in this.   Tremendously disappointed.

I don't come to this site to read what I want to hear ... I come here to read what people (who MMORPG.COM have vetted as good writers) think.   I come here looking for opinion, not new or fanboi news or developer hype.

If the writers opinion is wrong, that's what the comments are for ... to offer a counter point.   Not to demand the article be taken down.

Not only is this bad journalism to retract an opinion piece just because the public doesn't like it ... it sets a precedent that MMORPG will spend a loooong time trying to get away from ... because from this day forward, every unfavorable review will be savagely attacked with demands of retraction.

MMORPG just dropped from an 8 to 4 on a scale of 10 for me ... and I didn't even read the opinion.  

You don't retract opinion pieces ... you retract news articles that state incorrect facts.

I now know they see their business, the business of printing what they think the readers want to read, instead of what they need to read.

Originally posted by Zinderin

I didn't even read the piece, but I'm disappointed in this.   Tremendously disappointed.

I don't come to this site to read what I want to hear ... I come here to read what people (who MMORPG.COM have vetted as good writers) think.   I come here looking for opinion, not new or fanboi news or developer hype.

If the writers opinion is wrong, that's what the comments are for ... to offer a counter point.   Not to demand the article be taken down.

Not only is this bad journalism to retract an opinion piece just because the public doesn't like it ... it sets a precedent that MMORPG will spend a loooong time trying to get away from ... because from this day forward, every unfavorable review will be savagely attacked with demands of retraction.

MMORPG just dropped from an 8 to 4 on a scale of 10 for me ... and I didn't even read the opinion.  

You don't retract opinion pieces ... you retract news articles that state incorrect facts.

I now know they see their business, the business of printing what they think the readers want to read, instead of what they need to read.

 

 

 

 

This is simply unbelievable. How many people are going to post this sort of clueless drivel? The review was NOT detracted because people disagreed with the opinion. Zinderin, for crying out loud read the damn thread.

Let me try to put this out there in a way you guys might understand

Just because someone used a system with 2 gigs of ram in the past does not mean that they used it on a game that requires even more. Nor does it mean they are trying to lie and hide something whenever they mention it was a typo. I'd actually suggest that they were more likely to make the typo due to the fact that writing out the same old information was common place for them.

It is a possibility that, yes, this review was conducted on a system below the minimum requirement, but the -only- real evidence we have, the reviewers word, has suggested otherwise.

You are suspicious that because in the past he had used a system with 2 gigs that it was not a mistake and that he is trying to cover his ass but you have no real proof. That, my friends, is proof surrogate. You are stating something without evidence beyond the shadow of a doubt. The only evidence you have is a small voice in the back of your mind that suggests something is not right and that does not serve as real proof.

As far as the reviewers thoughts on lag go, yes indeed there is a lot of it. There is a little, but not enough to cause you to quit, bit of network lag. My Frame Per Second, however, are much lower than what I receive on even Age of Conan and I think we all know which game should be more graphically intensive, it's not Fallen Earth. All of this is likely an issue that will take a few months to remedy but as it stands, even with a system beyond the requirements, I lag.

I think it has to do with all of the horses people can leave around or something.