Originally posted by Cammy

 

Im not even sure why Im bothering but anyways...

 

I've played even more MMO's than you, all the way back to the UO days... ya that's right... my epeen is This |----------------------------| big! Does anyone care (I should think not...)

Sorvath's whole point was it doesn't mean a difference at all what games you have played or anyone has played. Do you know why? Because I can make an exact same review as you, post a thread about how awesome Aion is...give it a really good "score".... only it will put it into a completely different context for people reading.  Instead of "awful" - I can say its "brilliant" and there will be a bunch of people agree/disagreeing with me depending on what side of the fence you are on. Are you following at all? It doesnt make ANY difference what games I / or you have played, the ONLY thing that matters is the people who play it and like it will continue to do so, and the people who hate it should just STFU and stop talking about it. You have obviously quit - so why are you still discussing it? 

I can say the same thing, why even bother.  This is a public forum to where anyone can give a review.  I review is subjective to the user and his/her playstyle.  Why list his games played?  Why not I ask, he has played a few games and it gives him a comparison on what is good or bad in a game in thier point of view.

Its like reviewing anything, if you have zero experience in tha field, be it sports, shoes, some scientific gadget, or a damn game if you have no experience in that field no one will think you know what your talking about.  If the dude said this is the first video game I ever played and wrote it, you would damn him to hell in back and call him a complete moron, and it would be true.  Now he played various games, and liked something and didn't like others now he has a basis for what to him is good and what to him is bad.  Get the picture?  You can't successfully review something if you've never had tried something else similiar before without coming of as a complete tool.

Did you read any reviews from any articles, because if you did its the same damn thing, except this dude isn't paid.(assuming he isn't)

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

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Well, I've cut out your credentials because as I said they don't matter to me. What does matter is that you have a head on your shoulders and can review the game in a way that resonates with players. If you say that something is good and explain why and that something is horrible to another player then you've done your job informing someone. Same can be said of the converse point.

Visual/Aural Appeal

 

Graphics (Awesome):

Some of the best character models of any MMO to date. Textures
can be bland, however.

 I agree here however if one hates anime influenced games then they will find a problem.

Visual Character Customization (Awesome):

One of the best to date; on par with AoC’s.

 I would go so far as to say better than AoC's because one can actually change the look of the character as opposed to AoC where I still look like the cousin of the original face I was altering. However, in some ways it is not as powerful as something like Oblivion's, even with some of the wonky things that the Oblvion tool does. Otherwise I agree.

Performance (Good):

2 gb ram, 2 ghz processor, 256 MB card, 15-60 fps depending on player density.

I also agree. Part of what the devs had said was that they were trying to create a game world where the game would run find on lower end machines because they realized that there are a good many machines out there that just won't run a high end game. To that point, given the amount of players that the game will have on the screen at the same time, anything too extravagant would just not do.

Audio (Good):

Ambient music is good quality; some combat music might be too anime-like.

Not sure if it's too anime like but it might be too "something" as some of it sounds like club music. This could be a game breaker for many but in some way it works yet I can't put my finger on why.

 

Visual Content (Average):

There is not much visual diversity in the world of Aion; the variation among armor and even weapons is mostly based off of their quality (white, green, blue, orange).

It seems that you are strictly going off of the equipment and not area diversity or even mob diversity. Since that is the case I would say that average is on the money. If you were to say Visual content included areas then I woudl say there was a lot of diversity. If you were to say Visual content as far as mobs then that is a tough call. There are many diverse types of mobs and a lot of imagination is used. However, you will start to find copies of mobs but with varied colors.

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Game Play

 

Content (Poor):

About half of WoW’s vanilla quest content as can be verified through aionarmory.com and wowhead.com. Few instances, few races, nothing but the usual, but with less of it.

My problem with this is that you don't consider the "why". I can't say if you are correct or not but I'm not going to call you a liar as I don't think you are one. So let's look at the why. No one does this they just take things at face value.

With a game like WoW you have several starting areas. These areas have to eventually get you to some of the same places as your fellows. However, with Aion everyone of a faction shares a starting area. That alone is going to cut down quite a bit on quests.

the other thing is that there is a decent amount of the game that revolves around pvp. PvP is its own content with the exception of the pvpve instnaces and the sieges.

My take on the content is that it's poor to average to great. But it's inconsistent. Some of the quests are very well written and have a nice bit of story behind them. And some of them are abhorrent (if one doesn't like this type of quest) in that someone will say "hey, the creatures around here are going nuts, see you can thin them out". And then you get the task of killing (no exageration here) 25 of one mob and 15 of another. Essentially, the quest is telling you to grind a bit and then after a while come back for an exp and money award. I would say that overall the quests are average but that you will find some gems and some quests that are just excuses to grind.

The other complaint players have is that there aren't enough quests. My own experience shows that there are quests but that people aren't finding them because they aren't revisiting older areas. Personally I like this because I hate the idea of areas being for one level range and moving on. having a broader range for players allows an area to be a little less throw away. However, having said that I will iterate that some of these quests are just excuses to grind. If one hates that then there are issues.

 

Exploration (Horrible):

Although there are three degrees of freedom, the zones are generally very confined and linear. Swimming is not possible and landmass is much smaller than that of other popular games.

I'll agree and disagree. I've already stated that swimming is not needed because there are very few areas to swim. The only places I can tell that have any significant water is the second area that one goes to. And that water is knee high. If there is no place to swim and no place that pvp takes place for swimming then it's almost a non-issue. As I pointed out, LOTRO has no diving, just swimming on the top of the water. It's becuase it's not needed.

But you are correct to a certain degree. This is not Vanguard as far as exploration. The game world is completely used with the idea that if a player is going to go somewere then there is a guided reason.

 

Immersion (Awful):

The story is not well written and seems tacked on. There is not much attention to detail when compared to other games and there is little to accommodate RP (i.e. lack of RP items).

I somewhat disagree with this. Other than the Lord of the Rings, the story is just as good as any other I've seen. A nice touch is that the story for the Asmodians is a prophecy but the story for the Elyos is something that has happened in the past. As far as roleplay items what would you like, birthday cakes? There are outfits for outfits sake in Aion. Including some holiday outfits.

On top of this throw in some beutifully designed areas (not talking about some bad textures, I know they exist) and the world at first glance is exotic and interesting. The thing is that the world feels like a set and not a world. I would say poor to average if one is to delve deeply. Above average if you can accept it as a set.

 

Combat (Good):

Additional cool down in the form of animation, but generally fluid. Some classes are trivial to play, while others are more complex; those that are more complex (sorcerer, spiritmaster) are nearly WoW templates (mage, warlock). CC is present and plays a major role; twitch is not much of a factor for most classes, except for a couple. Generally there are a lot of buttons to push.

I dont see the wow templates as opposed to eq 2 templates. Mages are mages. I've played mages and warriors in wow and I don't feel that they are the same in Aion other than throwing fire or frost. Otherwise the combat is good and in some cases great as the animations are very fun. For a player who yearns for something more grounded or closer to what a real sword fighter would experience they might hate it as they are a bit over the top.

 

Character Skill Customization (Awful):

Can only select from a small pool of skills and requirements usually constrain to a couple choices. Choices do not influence class play style.

choices actually do influence class play style. Heck I know a player who is experimenting with a chanter as an off tank. After some discusstion it was realized that it might be a viable option. I even experienced a chanter as an off tank and it actually seemed to work in the situation we were in. Or how about weapon choice for glads. There is quite a bit of discussion on duel wielding over polearm.

And as far as my own experience, using orbs over books do give different results. I'm still not convinced one is better over the other but that they do give better results depending on choice. Gear matters in this game. However, it's the stimas that give players skills. That is a tough one as I see some of the same one's being used by players. As players get higher and as advanced stigmas are introduced it remains to be seen. I will say poor to average.

 

Crafting (Average):

Take basic crafting, add more randomness, add quests and you have Aion crafting.

um, I supose that works for me. However there is the addtion of divine power that stacks some of that randomness in your favor if you craft while being, er "full of it".

 

Player vs. Player (Subjective):

Good rewards and significant disparity between PvE/PvP items in the form of PvP damage bonuses. Rifts are few and randomly allow access to SOME PvE areas of the opposing faction. Most PvP confined to Abyss, which is a large area with different tiers that has PvE advancement and fortress sieges. Consumables play a MAJOR role.

consumables can play a major role but to point out one can't spam heal pots. Or any pots for that matter. Just a point of note.

 

Character Advancement Pace (Poor):

There will be gaps while leveling where the quests run dry (only repeatable ones remain). New skills are gained every 3 levels or so.

The idea that a player must have something every 3 levels bothers me. Why? Why can't a character have something every 5 or 6 levels? One thing I know is that your attacks do become more powerful as you level but I don't see where it is written that a player needs to get something every x levels.

As far as quests running dry, I've seen this but will iterate that I don't think players are finding the quests. Heck, there was a player who asked about quests in the teens because he had run out of them. Aion does try to send you to other hubs but if you do all the quests in a particular hub you might actually find a few more several levels from where you finished them. I personally like this but players who are used to a guided leveling experience seem to get frustrated. Still, the devs feel that players are having some issues and are going to be raising some of the quest rewards.

for the record I think the character leveling pace is fine. Then again I came from Lineage 2 so this seems like a walk in the park.

 

I wanted to actually comment on your post instead of just pointing out that I didn't think your credentials mattered, just your reasons, however it's guy's night tonight so I couldn't go further into it.

In any event it is nice to have a "not bs" review but though it is opinion as all reviews are , some of it didn't resonate with me or as I noted some of it seemed that it shouldn't matter given the design of the world.

edit: I get that some people like the idea of credentials but it really shouldn't matter. These are games and regardless of how many games one has played one can still say that "textures suck in areas" because one can plainly see that they do. As far as a comparison, if you list your games then I will assume there is a reason that I will benefit from such as "In AoC the graphics are x and it is a pvp game yet one can only have x amount of players in y before it bogs up therefore Aion's use of textures could make sense..." or "Lotro also has kill x quests but the storylines are in many cases deeper than Aion's and therefore they might make players paying attention to quest lines feel less of a grind..."

Otherwise it comes off, to me, as "I've played a lot of games therefore you know I'm going to be on the money". I only care about whether or not your arguments resonate or if you are listing extensive game experience that I will see where Aion has succeeded or failed with actual comparisons.

Originally posted by Zeppelin4

Your review was awful. I know this because I have been gaming since Pong. 

LOL

Actually I wasn't offended at the list of games - nice review.  Of course it helps that I largely agree with the points made.  

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

Originally posted by Sovrath

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The resume doesn't really convince me. Just because you have played all those games doesn't mean that your opinion is going to be better than someone else's?

What matters most is if you can assess what Aion is suposed to be doing and is it doing it well? Can it be compared to other games of similar type and if so how does it compare?

I've played far more games than that and would never think to put my game resume down so that others can feel that I have more to say on the subject.

Your review is ok in my opinion. Some of the things are non-issues and shouldn't have been mentioned. I mean, swimming? Really? There really is no reason to swim. As the head dev said, they aren't going to put swimming in until it actually matters. Heck, LOTRO has far more areas where one could swim and it doesn't have that.

 

 

 

 What, you want my education too? If that's the case, then let's compare and go right to dick size while we're at it! 

  Xfire, aionarmory.

  I don't give a shit.

  Some people like to swim and almost every game on the market has swimming in one form or another. Maybe there's a reason for that? 

 

 

first off, wish people would just grow up and get to the dam point.  Second i dont give a rats A$$ about who has the bigger dick size but after reading these arguments both was acting like dicks lol.  But to get to the point, the games played review doesnt really bother me and after reading the review and actually seeing a couple of videos my point is clear i will not give this game a try.  Thanks for the review it helped out alot for me saving my money.  thanks again. /thumbsup

Originally posted by Sovrath

p.

 I would go so far as to say better than AoC's because one can actually change the look of the character as opposed to AoC where I still look like the cousin of the original face I was altering. However, in some ways it is not as powerful as something like Oblivion's, even with some of the wonky things that the Oblvion tool does. Otherwise I agree.

Not true: In AoC you can modify the facial dimensions as you can in Aion; I've created my own array of freaks (in both games) . If you want the best creation possible for an MMO, then try City of Heroes/Champions Online.

 

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The other complaint players have is that there aren't enough quests. My own experience shows that there are quests but that people aren't finding them because they aren't revisiting older areas. Personally I like this because I hate the idea of areas being for one level range and moving on. having a broader range for players allows an area to be a little less throw away. However, having said that I will iterate that some of these quests are just excuses to grind. If one hates that then there are issues.

Way too subjective to comment properly: I think that the quality of Aion quests vs. WoW quests (vanilla) is generally a bit lower, but I didn't factor that in; the number of quests you might do in WoW might be around the same, but you have MANY choices and that counts as content in at least the form of replay value.

Aion has roughly half of the quests available to a player that WoW did at release, so I think that poor is a rather generous rating.

 

choices actually do influence class play style

Skills => Stigmas. Gear might influence play style, but that has nothing to do with skills that define your character; you could carry an offset of gear on your main just for that case. The stigma choices are generally relegated to the advanced stigmas, which only permit a couple paths at most.

 

 

I have never played Aion nor do I intend to because this review and other reviews confirms what I researched of the game to begin with pre-launch.

One thing that kinda strikes a nerve  with me is, and its not just the OP, to many people do it, it is listing the games they played. IMO there is a differnce in playing a game and just trying a game. Some people have a god awfull list of games they "played" There is no way in hell they could actually play through and see  all the game. Just a pet peve of mine. 

Originally posted by toddze

I have never played Aion nor do I intend to because this review and other reviews confirms what I researched of the game to begin with pre-launch.

One thing that kinda strikes a nerve  with me is, and its not just the OP, to many people do it, it is listing the games they played. IMO there is a differnce in playing a game and just trying a game. Some people have a god awfull list of games they "played" There is no way in hell they could actually play through and see  all the game. Just a pet peve of mine. 

  Those are games I actually played for a month, or more, or at least got high enough to see a fair bit of the content and what the game was about.

  I'm a casual player, so I rarely "play a game through".

I thought it was a very good review.  I think you stated things that a lot of gamers look for in their MMO experience....like swimming.  Kudos on a job well done and a good read.

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

Credentials

 

Games Played: WoW, EQ2, EQ, AO, VG, AoC, WAR, RO, FFXI, CoH/CoV, Ryzom,
CoS, LoTRO and many free to play games.

 

Maximum Level Attained in Aion: 30

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Visual/Aural Appeal

 

Graphics (Awesome):

Some of the best character models of any MMO to date. Textures
can be bland, however.

 

Visual Character Customization (Awesome):

One of the best to date; on par with AoC’s.

 

Performance (Good):

2 gb ram, 2 ghz processor, 256 MB card, 15-60 fps depending on player density.

Audio (Good):

Ambient music is good quality; some combat music might be too anime-like.

 

Visual Content (Average):

There is not much visual diversity in the world of Aion; the variation among armor and even weapons is mostly based off of their quality (white, green, blue, orange).

 

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Game Play

 

Content (Poor): I'll give you the quest thing but there are a ton of dungeons for people to crawl through in both Elyos and Asmo areas as well as the abyss to those whose faction captured forts

About half of WoW’s vanilla quest content as can be verified through aionarmory.com and wowhead.com. Few instances, few races, nothing but the usual, but with less of it.

 

Exploration (Horrible): Average: The zones are pretty damn cool though i do agree there aren't many

Although there are three degrees of freedom, the zones are generally very confined and linear. Swimming is not possible and landmass is much smaller than that of other popular games.

 

Immersion (Awful):  Your joking right the story is pretty damn good compared to most today. It is far from tacked on and if you actually read the quests as well as listen to the cut scenes you really get an understanding on whats happening in the world.

The story is not well written and seems tacked on. There is not much attention to detail when compared to other games and there is little to accommodate RP (i.e. lack of RP items).

 

Combat (Good):Same but i have to argue one point. They aren't using Wow's template for mage and warlock like classes. They are using the standard mmo template that can be found in just about every game prior to WoW.

Additional cool down in the form of animation, but generally fluid. Some classes are trivial to play, while others are more complex; those that are more complex (sorcerer, spiritmaster) are nearly WoW templates (mage, warlock). CC is present and plays a major role; twitch is not much of a factor for most classes, except for a couple. Generally there are a lot of buttons to push.

 

Character Skill Customization (Awful):Totally agree but to be honest every game has a cookie cutter spec so no matter how much you customize your skills if you aren't that one spec your still subpar.

Can only select from a small pool of skills and requirements usually constrain to a couple choices. Choices do not influence class play style.

 

Crafting (Average):Same

Take basic crafting, add more randomness, add quests and you have Aion crafting.

 

Player vs. Player (Subjective):

Good rewards and significant disparity between PvE/PvP items in the form of PvP damage bonuses. Rifts are few and randomly allow access to SOME PvE areas of the opposing faction. Most PvP confined to Abyss, which is a large area with different tiers that has PvE advancement and fortress sieges. Consumables play a MAJOR role.

 

Character Advancement Pace (Poor):Average. I do agree on the fact that there are dry spells. Theres really no way to get around that. NCSOFTS already looking into adding more quests as well as increasing the xp rewarded.

There will be gaps while leveling where the quests run dry (only repeatable ones remain). New skills are gained every 3 levels or so.

 

 You make many valid points but severely over exaggerate some of them. Once again like every other post on these forums about this game its all very biased. If you wanna know how good a game is or if you will like it your gonna have to try it out for yourself. There is no magically answer that will make you love a game.

 

 

 

 I play aion, and i agree................with pretty much everything. Good review, to bad theres always those fanboys out there that have to say something when someone states their opinion and it shatters their little worlds and lack of a life (honestly, not pointing any fingers here).

Typical WoW fangirl review, couldn't handle a more complex and challenging game. Aion wont spoonfeed you levels and hand you free epics, i guess you will have return to your easymode 5 year old game now.

Also just a reminder this very distiguished site reviewed Aion and the best released game EVER. So take OPs biased review flush it down the toilet where it belongs...

 i thought the review was pretty good except the graphics part

the graphics in this game are piss poor 

Review was pretty much right on target,  but I also disagree with the graphics rating. I would probably give it a good over the awesome. The graphics are nice, but there are better looking MMO's out or coming out (AoC, Global Agenda, APB).

Originally posted by supbro

Typical WoW fangirl review, couldn't handle a more complex and challenging game. Aion wont spoonfeed you levels and hand you free epics, i guess you will have return to your easymode 5 year old game now.

Also just a reminder this very distiguished site reviewed Aion and the best released game EVER. So take OPs biased review flush it down the toilet where it belongs...

HA HA HA HA! You made my day man! What a joke.

Sorry tho. I played WoW back then for almost 2 years till shortly after TBC and WoW surely has more complexity than AION will ever have.

The only complexity AION has over WoW, is that the controls are buggy / non-fluid most of the time (don't start me on the TAB targetting joke mess).

And no spoonfeeding in AION? How about the auto follow huh? Can't get any easier than that.

And having large content gaps, wich forces you to mindlessly grind thousands of mobs to level up isn't what I would call more complexity. It rather asks you to shut down all your brainfunctions to be able to do it.

So please. But good laugh anyway tho.

Originally posted by supbro

Typical WoW fangirl review, couldn't handle a more complex and challenging game. Aion wont spoonfeed you levels and hand you free epics, i guess you will have return to your easymode 5 year old game now.

Also just a reminder this very distiguished site reviewed Aion and the best released game EVER. So take OPs biased review flush it down the toilet where it belongs...

Aion is somehow hard and complex...?

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by supbro

Typical WoW fangirl review, couldn't handle a more complex and challenging game. Aion wont spoonfeed you levels and hand you free epics, i guess you will have return to your easymode 5 year old game now.

Also just a reminder this very distiguished site reviewed Aion and the best released game EVER. So take OPs biased review flush it down the toilet where it belongs...

 

HA HA HA HA! You made my day man! What a joke.

Sorry tho. I played WoW back then for almost 2 years till shortly after TBC and WoW surely has more complexity than AION will ever have.

The only complexity AION has over WoW, is that the controls are buggy / non-fluid most of the time (don't start me on the TAB targetting joke mess).

And no spoonfeeding in AION? How about the auto follow huh? Can't get any easier than that.

And having large content gaps, wich forces you to mindlessly grind thousands of mobs to level up isn't what I would call more complexity. It rather asks you to shut down all your brainfunctions to be able to do it.

So please. But good laugh anyway tho.

Sorry we must be playing different games. Every level up until 36 my quest log has been full and have to constantly keep deleting quests to add more important ones. Like i said you wont be spoonfed levels and epic gear here.

Also combat is very smooth for me, so the problem seems to be on your end.

Everything you listed i disagree with, so the joke is on you.

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by supbro

Typical WoW fangirl review, couldn't handle a more complex and challenging game. Aion wont spoonfeed you levels and hand you free epics, i guess you will have return to your easymode 5 year old game now.

Also just a reminder this very distiguished site reviewed Aion and the best released game EVER. So take OPs biased review flush it down the toilet where it belongs...

 

HA HA HA HA! You made my day man! What a joke.

Sorry tho. I played WoW back then for almost 2 years till shortly after TBC and WoW surely has more complexity than AION will ever have.

The only complexity AION has over WoW, is that the controls are buggy / non-fluid most of the time (don't start me on the TAB targetting joke mess).

And no spoonfeeding in AION? How about the auto follow huh? Can't get any easier than that.

And having large content gaps, wich forces you to mindlessly grind thousands of mobs to level up isn't what I would call more complexity. It rather asks you to shut down all your brainfunctions to be able to do it.

So please. But good laugh anyway tho.

you said u havent played since shortly after TBC...

...uh a lot has happened since TBC ...blizzard has really noobified WOW since then ...and probably even more since i quit 4 months ago...i quit when i realized they were handing out free epics in VoA and Sarth...but yea if u played WoW again u would realize that's its no more complex then mario on the super nintendo

Originally posted by supbro

Originally posted by Guillermo197

 

HA HA HA HA! You made my day man! What a joke.

Sorry tho. I played WoW back then for almost 2 years till shortly after TBC and WoW surely has more complexity than AION will ever have.

The only complexity AION has over WoW, is that the controls are buggy / non-fluid most of the time (don't start me on the TAB targetting joke mess).

And no spoonfeeding in AION? How about the auto follow huh? Can't get any easier than that.

And having large content gaps, wich forces you to mindlessly grind thousands of mobs to level up isn't what I would call more complexity. It rather asks you to shut down all your brainfunctions to be able to do it.

So please. But good laugh anyway tho.

 

Sorry we must be playing different games. Every level up until 36 my quest log has been full and have to constantly keep deleting quests to add more important ones. Like i said you wont be spoonfed levels and epic gear here. Everything you listed i disagree with, so the joke is on you.

LOL! In the two years I have been playing WoW back then, I can't remember ever been spoonfed in any way. Sertainly no more then in AION.

And handing out Epixx for free? Yeah right. I had to bust my ass off to get one single piece of Epic gear. So please. It's one of the single most reasons (next to the horrible kiddie community) I quit WoW back then. Was just way too time consuming.

And ALT-tabbing isn't bugged? Auto Following target was just my imagination and doesn't exist?  I hardly believe you even played AION at all and you are just plain stupid trolling!

As even the diehard AION fans, who continue to sub, admit there are large content gaps after level30. And sertainly after level40.

Some misserable repeatable quests that give you less XP then a single epic mob of that level doesn't count. So please.

I am not here to defend WoW, as I haven't played it in a long long time. But that game had a lot more depth, options, content and diversity (not appearance customisation...that still sucks BIG TIME in WoW) then AION will ever have. Even before TBC already.

If this game was so much better then WoW or any other game out there. Had no grind, bla bla. Yada Yada. Then so many people wouldn't be botting and buying Kinah already.  They would actually play the game.

Originally posted by Goob

I assure you I read the review (lol). I was just saying that upon a glance, thats how I saw it. I still read the whole thing, it still felt arrogant. I was just speaking like that for dramatic effect, I apologize for not being clear. 

My beef, besides the first section which is just laughable, was that he can so easily say aspects of the game are  AWFUL.

The fact that I disagree with him on some of his points is irrelevant. It's just frustrating to see so many decent works of game development get thrashed to nothing by people with who don't like them. This and the painfully rude 6.9 that FE got today..... Cman guys, think of the devs working their asses off to get make these games as best as they can. We need be more respectful. I noticed he used the word "Poor" elsewhere, which in my opinion would've sufficed in these other sections that he found to be rather abysmal.

You want to see some AWFUL immersion in a game? Go play minesweeper.

Yeah, guys, let's start using a politically correct rating system. From hence forth any quality you might rate as "Awful" must be referred to as "Beta Features."

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

Originally posted by toddze

I have never played Aion nor do I intend to because this review and other reviews confirms what I researched of the game to begin with pre-launch.

One thing that kinda strikes a nerve  with me is, and its not just the OP, to many people do it, it is listing the games they played. IMO there is a differnce in playing a game and just trying a game. Some people have a god awfull list of games they "played" There is no way in hell they could actually play through and see  all the game. Just a pet peve of mine. 

 

  Those are games I actually played for a month, or more, or at least got high enough to see a fair bit of the content and what the game was about.

  I'm a casual player, so I rarely "play a game through".

 

In other words, you are just skimming through games so you can write them down into your resume. And just IMO Aion isn't for the casual. It started from the east, where you pay per hour. That's why games that origin from there are huge time sinks. If you don't like it, then you don't like it.

The following isn't pointed only towards you, but quite a few other MMORPG.com wisemen (wiseguys, I say) too.

How about if you someday really started playing a modern MMO instead of just longing for UO or some other long forgotten title and listing things that aren't in newer games.

If you're still looking for the MMO Messiah, you need to keep looking for. Aion isn't that, neither will any of the games announced to release in the near be. It might even be, there will never be such Messiah.

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by supbro

Originally posted by Guillermo197

 

HA HA HA HA! You made my day man! What a joke.

Sorry tho. I played WoW back then for almost 2 years till shortly after TBC and WoW surely has more complexity than AION will ever have.

The only complexity AION has over WoW, is that the controls are buggy / non-fluid most of the time (don't start me on the TAB targetting joke mess).

And no spoonfeeding in AION? How about the auto follow huh? Can't get any easier than that.

And having large content gaps, wich forces you to mindlessly grind thousands of mobs to level up isn't what I would call more complexity. It rather asks you to shut down all your brainfunctions to be able to do it.

So please. But good laugh anyway tho.

 

Sorry we must be playing different games. Every level up until 36 my quest log has been full and have to constantly keep deleting quests to add more important ones. Like i said you wont be spoonfed levels and epic gear here. Everything you listed i disagree with, so the joke is on you.

 

LOL! In the two years I have been playing WoW back then, I can't remember ever been spoonfed in any way. Sertainly no more then in AION.

And handing out Epixx for free? Yeah right. I had to bust my ass off to get one single piece of Epic gear. So please. It's one of the single most reasons (next to the horrible kiddie community) I quit WoW back then. Was just way too time consuming.

And ALT-tabbing isn't bugged? Auto Following target was just my imagination and doesn't exist?  I hardly believe you even played AION at all and you are just plain stupid trolling!

As even the diehard AION fans, who continue to sub, admit there are large content gaps after level30. And sertainly after level40.

Some misserable repeatable quests that give you less XP then a single epic mob of that level doesn't count. So please.

I am not here to defend WoW, as I haven't played it in a long long time. But that game had a lot more depth, options, content and diversity (not appearance customisation...that still sucks BIG TIME in WoW) then AION will ever have. Even before TBC already.

If this game was so much better then WoW or any other game out there. Had no grind, bla bla. Yada Yada. Then so many people wouldn't be botting and buying Kinah already.  They would actually play the game.

Wow has more bots and gold farmers than Aion, its a huge business. You will never get ride of them entirely.

All your arguments dont make any sense and for that i wont reply to your BS anymore.

I do play Aion, in fact I'm about to play it now after this post.

I must say I pretty much agree with everything the OP has said. Lol @ the fanbois here, this is a "No Bullshit" review, ie. he isn't beating around the bush, if words like awful and horrible are hurting your feelings please cry about it to someone who cares. He is right (imo) some elements in this game are downright AWFUL!

Originally posted by supbro

 

Wow has more bots and gold farmers than Aion, its a huge business. You will never get ride of them entirely.

All your arguments dont make any sense and for that i wont reply to your BS anymore.

 

The number of bots I ran into in WoW in two years I could count on two hands. And those were RMT farmers only.

The number of bots I ran into in AION in one single spot, in one single zone, in one single channel I could not count on two hands. So many are there.

Every single quest spot. Every single popular grind spot in AION is camped by bots. And not just RMT farming bots with the usual familiar names. But also so called legit players (in Legions even).

The worst thing people did in WoW with buying gold, was just buying an Epic (flying) mount. Big deal!

Nor did RMT in other games (like WoW, EQ2 and LOTRO for example) affect my gameplay in direct sense!

In AION, all these bots and cheaters DO affect my gameplay in direct sense. It kills all immersion. It's frustrating as it takes 10 times longer to complete quests, because they clear all the quest spots from mobs. People just kit themselves out in full gold gear and items through RMT. As you can buy pretty much everything in this game. And so have great impact in PVP!

That is the big difference.

Everyone knows (from their past experience with NCSoft's Lineage games) that NCSoft doesn't give a damn about RMT and bots. Have one of the worst GM support ever. And so people know they can get away with botting and cheating.

NCSofts game clients are the least secure, most easy hackable / modifiable clients of all P2P MMO games out there. And everyone knows it.

That is why Botting and cheating is so totally out of control in NCSofts own developed games.

They totally rely on the crap GameGuard program and the EU / NA AION client doesn't even have it at this moment. So it's completely open and defenseless now!!

While I agree that more needs to be done to counter the botting problem, they have already taken measures against gold spammers. That was at the time people like you were ranting about how they allow gold spammers (and some were even claiming that they were running the gold spamming business).

If I were you, I'd keep a wait and see approach, since the new people in NCsoft west are both fast in resolving issues and their opinion seems to weight heavily on the designing aspect of the game.

Originally posted by Xasapis

While I agree that more needs to be done to counter the botting problem, they have already taken measures against gold spammers. That was at the time people like you were ranting about how they allow gold spammers (and some were even claiming that they were running the gold spamming business).

If I were you, I'd keep a wait and see approach, since the new people in NCsoft west are both fast in resolving issues and their opinion seems to weight heavily on the designing aspect of the game.

They never gonna ban all the so called legit players who bought Kinah or botted themselves the past month and pretty much got already what they want. An incredible unfair advantage over everyone else.

Just have a look at the broker already. It's totally duped by enormous amounts of batches of uncommon and rare loot! It's not even funny.

Not to mention that hundreds of millions of kinah, that has been acquired illegally, have found their way into the game.

You really think that NCSoft is going to ban everyone who has been botting the past month, bought Kinah through RMT? Removing all their loot from the broker. Strip all their characters from gear / items that have been acquired through cheating?

You really think they gonna remove all the millions of Kinah from the game, remove all the gear, items and resources that have been acquired through botting from the game?

For a highly competitive PVP game like AION, in wich gear and items have a huge impact.  This is exactly what will need to be done, to even convince legit honest players to come back to the game in the near future.

And you, me and everyone else that knows NCSoft trough and trough, know they never gonna do that! NEVER!

If they ban every bot and cheater from this game right now. They can start consolidating half the servers shortly after that.

Cheers