Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by Euphoryk

However, is there not some final say or needed approval by the "senior staff" before these reviews are frontpaged? and if so, why do reviews like this ever make it to the frontpage to begin with? especially when they seem to contradict this own sites opinion (as presented in the 10 Best MMOs since... article mentioned above) of said game in question.

Because Dana Massey's opinion differs from Joe Iuliani's? Different people are different.

 

They are. However, reviews are not to be meant to reflect personal taste, but a fair evaluation sir.

6.9 for this game is parsec's away from even being remotely fair.

DB

Thank you DB, for summing it up perfectly. This is exactly the point I was attempting to make.

I totally agree with the write up, but not so much the score...for me, I'd rate it at about an 8 to an 8.5 for me. I do run into major major lag in the cities, but its explainable and my fault do to having a 2yr old system. As a matter of fact I run FE on an HP dv9339US laptop running Vista with only 2 gb of ram and a GeForce Go 7600 series card and for me it runs just fine when i'm out in the boonies but once i get into town I want to die by stabbing myself repeatedly in my eyes with a spoon. I mean so bad it litterally takes me about 10 minutes to cross the street (roughtly 40-50 ft in game)....

again, this is explainable though due to my running this game on a 2yo laptop 2gb ram and vista but hey it runs...and it runs well when out of the cities...I love the crafting in this game, I have fun killing the combat system is tough using a laptop with no mouse but doable..the world looks awesome to me on full settings but due to the lag issues, I have to turn down all the levels to about 25% so it doesn't bog me down so much and I can play efficiently without dieing to lag....now i just die to those stupid ganking marauders... :D

Originally posted by Getalife

In that case i can say i get no lag at all? does that make everything ok?  and yes i have 4gb ram. A person especially someone in position of a reviewers atleast got to meet the minimum requirements. Different people will have different issues with MMOS and sometimes its their own system but its easier to just blame the game. However, in case of reviewers the whole situtaion becomes unreliable since he is running his system on 2 gig of rams.

You need atleast 4gb ram to run game smoothly, then maybe he will be able to better differentiate between graphical lag and server lag.

Oh my god.  Guys.  RAM. Does. Not. Equate. To. Lag.  Period.  You could run a game with onboard graphics and no ram, and still not get any lag.  It's possible.  Also, fps issues and lag are very, very different problems.  They're very, very easy to differentiate.  If he says he is getting lag, I'll assume he means exactly what he says, without proof to sway me in either direction.  Therefor, the logical conclusion is that he was playing when the server was having issues and was getting lag.  There has been plenty of that problem in FE from time to time since release.  

Yet again.  I don't agree with his score.  I don't think it was fair to a relatively good game.  But please, please stop spewing this junk about his ram causing the lag, and how you can't run a game properly on 2 gigs of ram, and blah blah blah.  That's utterly retarded.

Originally posted by ste2000

Originally posted by Shannia

I think AION's score was way too high, 7.2 maybe.  But obviously, some people around here like much more than I do.

To me, FE's score was a bit to HIGH.  I wouldn't give this game more than a 6.5.  That's right, I'm not afraid to admit it.  This is 2009 and there is absolutely no excuse for the graphics looking like something from around 2002.  The gameplay is HORRIBLE.  The only saving grace about the entire game is the crafting.  It is unique and fun.  I wouldn't play this game continously for F2P much less subscription.

 

 

Shannia, I don't think people is puzzled too much by the 6.9 given to FE, rather the reasons why and the huge difference between FE and Aion review.
The 2 games are very different but similar in quality, again for different reasons.

The point is, how can you give Aion a 9.3, when lots oof people already quit after the first month, and then give FE which is much more innovative than AION just a 6.9?

I would have given FE a 6,5 myself, but I would have given a 6.5 to Aion too.

The problem is that in MMORPG.com there is no structure in the review system, I don't even think they have a system really............

Everyone has their own opinion, of course, but overall IGNs review was spot on, and no its not because they gave it an 8.1 (which I do believe FE deserved, but I'm absolutely smitten with the game)  its because they got it.  They understood the review process.. and they pointed out pitfalls that were real, and true.  Throughout the review they presented the good with the bad, and ultimately in the end, they just got it and easily summed it up in the last line "This game isn't for everyone, and that may be the most compelling reason to try it for yourself."        

Like it or hate it, if you are truly going to review it, let it stand on its own merits.

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by HiGHPLAiNS

Originally posted by Shannia

Since when did I say I like graphics over game play?  I'm saying that the graphic style there is crap.  They could have done a much better job on the graphic style.  I'm not talking about system performance because of said graphics.  There is a difference.  Also, game play is a lot more important to me than mature voice overs.   To me, FE devs focused on the wrong things in creating this game.  That is the beauty of it all. We are all entitled to our own opinion and IMHO, FE is the suxors and gets a 6.5 at best.

 

 

I just love other players on this forum that throw out numbers for ratings.

Shannia, since your using the Shannia grading scale as well. please let us know how you got to 6.5 and maybe, just maybe, I will take you seriously.

 

 

Where do you want me to start, with 10 and mark down or 0 and mark my way up.  Either way, you will find fault with my logic.  My whole point is, other than the fun and unique crafting system of FE, the game leaves me wanting to uninstall, and quickly.  Combine the pour tutorial, ugly graphic stylization and the HORRIBLE game play, and I come up with a 6.5.  You can thank the crafting system or I would write it down lower than that.   So yes, the crafting system lifts the innovation score for me.

 

Ok, uhm?

So if you bother to read the review. And then think for awhile.

Then just shortly explain how a positive review like this one would give the game a 6.9 score and yours... albeit a short review but really a negative one would give it 6.5.

Just don't add up. :/

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by HiGHPLAiNS

Originally posted by Shannia

Since when did I say I like graphics over game play?  I'm saying that the graphic style there is crap.  They could have done a much better job on the graphic style.  I'm not talking about system performance because of said graphics.  There is a difference.  Also, game play is a lot more important to me than mature voice overs.   To me, FE devs focused on the wrong things in creating this game.  That is the beauty of it all. We are all entitled to our own opinion and IMHO, FE is the suxors and gets a 6.5 at best.

 

 

I just love other players on this forum that throw out numbers for ratings.

Shannia, since your using the Shannia grading scale as well. please let us know how you got to 6.5 and maybe, just maybe, I will take you seriously.

 

 

Where do you want me to start, with 10 and mark down or 0 and mark my way up.  Either way, you will find fault with my logic.  My whole point is, other than the fun and unique crafting system of FE, the game leaves me wanting to uninstall, and quickly.  Combine the pour tutorial, ugly graphic stylization and the HORRIBLE game play, and I come up with a 6.5.  You can thank the crafting system or I would write it down lower than that.   So yes, the crafting system lifts the innovation score for me.

 

Nice review there..

I guess I will not take your posts seriously from this point on.

Originally posted by VultureSkull

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by VultureSkull

Originally posted by Shannia

That is the beauty of it all. We are all entitled to our own opinion and IMHO, FE is the suxors and gets a 6.5 at best.

 

 

We are talking 'reviews' here not opinions i am afraid.

 

Reviews are opinions. It's Mr. Iuliani's call to write the review he did and give it a score that does not reflect what he has written. It's also our good fortune to be able to respond on a linked forum and state that his score is off base. We can then only hope that anyone reading the review, then looking at the score (with the subsequent thought of "WTF") will then refer to the various posts related to that thread.

Knowing that the majority of people post when they dislike something and seeing the overwhelming positive replies here for the game, and mixing that with other game sites giving more realistic scores, anyone looking for information can conclude that the score here isn't right and not to give it much credence.

Worry not. Joe Iuliani won't be the downfall of Fallen Earth. It'll do just fine without his endorsement or patronage.

 

Reviews are not opinions they are reviews and opinions are opinions...

I refer you to Skatty2007's post on page 3 of this thread :

My review of the Review of Fallen Earth:

--The reviewer suggests that starting off in a non-pistol oriented town is too difficult. This is far too much personal opinion. What works good for you "by starting off in a pistol town" may not work for someone else. It should be stated, "you can start off in a pistol, rifle, or melee town depending on what fits your initial playstyle, but neither of them are so conforming to a single combat form". Leave your opinion out of it, I have a functional brain and can make my own opinion thank you very much.

--It states that crafting in the game is extremely intensive and is worthy of its own article. But two sentences later is states "it works like most crafting systems." To me this is contradictory. If it is just like all the other crafting systems, why does it merit its own article?

--"I found it a little unwieldy with a keyboard and a mouse." Well thanks for your opinion, I found it to work best with a keyboard and a mouse. Everyone has their own way of what controls works best for them. Say something to the effect that you can use a keyboard\mouse combination or control pad depending on what gives you better control. But the way it is stated has far too much personal opinion in it. This is a review, not "Joe Schmoe's Personal Playstyle Reference Guide."

--It goes on to give advice on how to perform combat. Such as hit and move and take your time targeting. Is this an advice column? Later on he says how much he died (albeit due to lag). I'm not exactly feeling the validity of the advice here since he ended up dyeing so much. Not only that's, but this is a review , not a playguide or advice column (gee, see a recurring theme here?). If he dies cause of lag all the time, how can you properly employ hit and move to see if it is a valid combat technique? Again, leave your own expert advice out of a review please - I have a brain and will find my own technique that serves me well.

--It states the UI is fairly standard. That's just not the case. It failed to mention you can minimize everything in different positions than they are maximized, everything is resizable\adjustable (how many MMO's have you played that have the typical immovable hotbar at the bottom of the screen?) While I don't consider his write-up of the UI an opinion so I can't speak negatively about that, the review leaves out aspects of the UI that are not 'fairly standard'

--"Fast paced combat is not for everyone." Well guess what? There is no MMO or facet of an MMO that everyone is going to like. To say some people will like it and some people wont is incredibly obvious and can be said for every single game ever made in the history of gaming.

--"Fallen earth players are passionate about the game" This implies other people are not passionate about their other games. Also, are you reviewing their forums or the game? Putting a blurb in about your review of the forum is not relevant and highly subjective.

Overall score of the review of Fallen Earth: 6.9

His review only re-affirms of why I come here: Forum entertainment only.

 

Ahh, I smell what you're cooking. Your saying a review should, in essence, be (in no particular order):

1) You press enter to access the chat line.

2) The inventory is access by pressing the "I" key or clicking on the UI link marked "Inventory".

Kinda of a step by step of what does what. A mechanical or technical review as opposed to an impression or opinion review.

Originally posted by Bhawke21

Originally posted by Getalife

In that case i can say i get no lag at all? does that make everything ok?  and yes i have 4gb ram. A person especially someone in position of a reviewers atleast got to meet the minimum requirements. Different people will have different issues with MMOS and sometimes its their own system but its easier to just blame the game. However, in case of reviewers the whole situtaion becomes unreliable since he is running his system on 2 gig of rams.

You need atleast 4gb ram to run game smoothly, then maybe he will be able to better differentiate between graphical lag and server lag.

 

Oh my god.  Guys.  RAM. Does. Not. Equate. To. Lag.  Period.  You could run a game with onboard graphics and no ram, and still not get any lag.  It's possible.  Also, fps issues and lag are very, very different problems.  They're very, very easy to differentiate.  If he says he is getting lag, I'll assume he means exactly what he says, without proof to sway me in either direction.  Therefor, the logical conclusion is that he was playing when the server was having issues and was getting lag.  There has been plenty of that problem in FE from time to time since release.  

Yet again.  I don't agree with his score.  I don't think it was fair to a relatively good game.  But please, please stop spewing this junk about his ram causing the lag, and how you can't run a game properly on 2 gigs of ram, and blah blah blah.  That's utterly retarded.

This is misleading,  not having sufficient memory can cause stuttering also known as lag, visually.  If you don't think so, pull up some back end processes that sap RAM but not CPU like a couple web browsers and let them take away from your resources while you're in game.  It can make the difference between playing smoothly and playing choppy.  Now thats not to say he doesn't have enough RAM to play the game, but lets be honest,  Vista is a memory hog, and even something as simple as the windows search on vista indexing can seem like a chore.

I run the game on Windows 7.. plays like a dream and I only have 2 Gigs of RAM, but any type of multitasking can create issues in towns.

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by HiGHPLAiNS

Originally posted by Shannia

Since when did I say I like graphics over game play?  I'm saying that the graphic style there is crap.  They could have done a much better job on the graphic style.  I'm not talking about system performance because of said graphics.  There is a difference.  Also, game play is a lot more important to me than mature voice overs.   To me, FE devs focused on the wrong things in creating this game.  That is the beauty of it all. We are all entitled to our own opinion and IMHO, FE is the suxors and gets a 6.5 at best.

 

 

I just love other players on this forum that throw out numbers for ratings.

Shannia, since your using the Shannia grading scale as well. please let us know how you got to 6.5 and maybe, just maybe, I will take you seriously.

 

 

Where do you want me to start, with 10 and mark down or 0 and mark my way up.  Either way, you will find fault with my logic.  My whole point is, other than the fun and unique crafting system of FE, the game leaves me wanting to uninstall, and quickly.  Combine the pour tutorial, ugly graphic stylization and the HORRIBLE game play, and I come up with a 6.5.  You can thank the crafting system or I would write it down lower than that.   So yes, the crafting system lifts the innovation score for me.

 

 

Ok, uhm?

So if you bother to read the review. And then think for awhile.

Then just shortly explain how a positive review like this one would give the game a 6.9 score and yours... albeit a short review but really a negative one would give it 6.5.

Just don't add up. :/

I'll answer that question.  Did AION have paid advertising on this site?  Yes they did.  Did Fallen Earth have paid advertising on this site?  Not that I saw.  Could that be why there is such a huge difference in the score?  Most likely not, but it does make a person wonder.

Originally posted by Bhawke21

Originally posted by Getalife

In that case i can say i get no lag at all? does that make everything ok?  and yes i have 4gb ram. A person especially someone in position of a reviewers atleast got to meet the minimum requirements. Different people will have different issues with MMOS and sometimes its their own system but its easier to just blame the game. However, in case of reviewers the whole situtaion becomes unreliable since he is running his system on 2 gig of rams.

You need atleast 4gb ram to run game smoothly, then maybe he will be able to better differentiate between graphical lag and server lag.

 

Oh my god.  Guys.  RAM. Does. Not. Equate. To. Lag.  Period.  You could run a game with onboard graphics and no ram, and still not get any lag.  It's possible.  Also, fps issues and lag are very, very different problems.  They're very, very easy to differentiate.  If he says he is getting lag, I'll assume he means exactly what he says, without proof to sway me in either direction.  Therefor, the logical conclusion is that he was playing when the server was having issues and was getting lag.  There has been plenty of that problem in FE from time to time since release.  

Yet again.  I don't agree with his score.  I don't think it was fair to a relatively good game.  But please, please stop spewing this junk about his ram causing the lag, and how you can't run a game properly on 2 gigs of ram, and blah blah blah.  That's utterly retarded.

I am sorry but you are not getting the point. And yes ram does make a big difference whether you want to agree to it or not. What i and others are trying to say is that he gotto to meet the minimum requirements before he can review so that he gets some validity towards his lag issues. He may still get lag after 8 gb of ram but how would we know when he doesn't even meet minimum requirements? i hope you understand what i am trying to say here.

Originally posted by Bhawke21

Originally posted by Getalife

In that case i can say i get no lag at all? does that make everything ok?  and yes i have 4gb ram. A person especially someone in position of a reviewers atleast got to meet the minimum requirements. Different people will have different issues with MMOS and sometimes its their own system but its easier to just blame the game. However, in case of reviewers the whole situtaion becomes unreliable since he is running his system on 2 gig of rams.

You need atleast 4gb ram to run game smoothly, then maybe he will be able to better differentiate between graphical lag and server lag.

 

Oh my god.  Guys.  RAM. Does. Not. Equate. To. Lag.  Period.  You could run a game with onboard graphics and no ram, and still not get any lag.  It's possible.  Also, fps issues and lag are very, very different problems.  They're very, very easy to differentiate.  If he says he is getting lag, I'll assume he means exactly what he says, without proof to sway me in either direction.  Therefor, the logical conclusion is that he was playing when the server was having issues and was getting lag.  There has been plenty of that problem in FE from time to time since release.  

Yet again.  I don't agree with his score.  I don't think it was fair to a relatively good game.  But please, please stop spewing this junk about his ram causing the lag, and how you can't run a game properly on 2 gigs of ram, and blah blah blah.  That's utterly retarded.

Yes but lots of people get lousy fps/studder and call it lagg so its hard to tell if it really is lagg or bad fps due to his poor amount of ram

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by HiGHPLAiNS

Originally posted by Shannia

Since when did I say I like graphics over game play?  I'm saying that the graphic style there is crap.  They could have done a much better job on the graphic style.  I'm not talking about system performance because of said graphics.  There is a difference.  Also, game play is a lot more important to me than mature voice overs.   To me, FE devs focused on the wrong things in creating this game.  That is the beauty of it all. We are all entitled to our own opinion and IMHO, FE is the suxors and gets a 6.5 at best.

 

 

I just love other players on this forum that throw out numbers for ratings.

Shannia, since your using the Shannia grading scale as well. please let us know how you got to 6.5 and maybe, just maybe, I will take you seriously.

 

 

Where do you want me to start, with 10 and mark down or 0 and mark my way up.  Either way, you will find fault with my logic.  My whole point is, other than the fun and unique crafting system of FE, the game leaves me wanting to uninstall, and quickly.  Combine the pour tutorial, ugly graphic stylization and the HORRIBLE game play, and I come up with a 6.5.  You can thank the crafting system or I would write it down lower than that.   So yes, the crafting system lifts the innovation score for me.

 

 

Ok, uhm?

So if you bother to read the review. And then think for awhile.

Then just shortly explain how a positive review like this one would give the game a 6.9 score and yours... albeit a short review but really a negative one would give it 6.5.

Just don't add up. :/

 

I'll answer that question.  Did AION have paid advertising on this site?  Yes they did.  Did Fallen Earth have paid advertising on this site?  Not that I saw.  Could that be why there is such a huge difference in the score?  Most likely not, but it does make a person wonder.

 

Yea, FE did, actually. That is, if this site requires payment for header and footer banners.

Edit: Though, after this..."review", I don't see a real reason for Icarus to maintain such a relationship. You pay for advertising with the hope that it will draw in players. That's business. If a site doesn't give you a fair review, well, what would be the point in continuing to pay them? And I'm not saying that a fair review can't be a low score. I'm just saying this review does not match the score given.

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by HiGHPLAiNS

Originally posted by Shannia

Since when did I say I like graphics over game play?  I'm saying that the graphic style there is crap.  They could have done a much better job on the graphic style.  I'm not talking about system performance because of said graphics.  There is a difference.  Also, game play is a lot more important to me than mature voice overs.   To me, FE devs focused on the wrong things in creating this game.  That is the beauty of it all. We are all entitled to our own opinion and IMHO, FE is the suxors and gets a 6.5 at best.

 

 

I just love other players on this forum that throw out numbers for ratings.

Shannia, since your using the Shannia grading scale as well. please let us know how you got to 6.5 and maybe, just maybe, I will take you seriously.

 

 

Where do you want me to start, with 10 and mark down or 0 and mark my way up.  Either way, you will find fault with my logic.  My whole point is, other than the fun and unique crafting system of FE, the game leaves me wanting to uninstall, and quickly.  Combine the pour tutorial, ugly graphic stylization and the HORRIBLE game play, and I come up with a 6.5.  You can thank the crafting system or I would write it down lower than that.   So yes, the crafting system lifts the innovation score for me.

 

 

Ok, uhm?

So if you bother to read the review. And then think for awhile.

Then just shortly explain how a positive review like this one would give the game a 6.9 score and yours... albeit a short review but really a negative one would give it 6.5.

Just don't add up. :/

 

I'll answer that question.  Did AION have paid advertising on this site?  Yes they did.  Did Fallen Earth have paid advertising on this site?  Not that I saw.  Could that be why there is such a huge difference in the score?  Most likely not, but it does make a person wonder.

 

 

Yea, FE did, actually. That is, if this site requires payment for header and footer banners.

Rules out that theory then.  =)

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by HiGHPLAiNS

Originally posted by Shannia

Since when did I say I like graphics over game play?  I'm saying that the graphic style there is crap.  They could have done a much better job on the graphic style.  I'm not talking about system performance because of said graphics.  There is a difference.  Also, game play is a lot more important to me than mature voice overs.   To me, FE devs focused on the wrong things in creating this game.  That is the beauty of it all. We are all entitled to our own opinion and IMHO, FE is the suxors and gets a 6.5 at best.

 

 

I just love other players on this forum that throw out numbers for ratings.

Shannia, since your using the Shannia grading scale as well. please let us know how you got to 6.5 and maybe, just maybe, I will take you seriously.

 

 

Where do you want me to start, with 10 and mark down or 0 and mark my way up.  Either way, you will find fault with my logic.  My whole point is, other than the fun and unique crafting system of FE, the game leaves me wanting to uninstall, and quickly.  Combine the pour tutorial, ugly graphic stylization and the HORRIBLE game play, and I come up with a 6.5.  You can thank the crafting system or I would write it down lower than that.   So yes, the crafting system lifts the innovation score for me.

 

 

Ok, uhm?

So if you bother to read the review. And then think for awhile.

Then just shortly explain how a positive review like this one would give the game a 6.9 score and yours... albeit a short review but really a negative one would give it 6.5.

Just don't add up. :/

 

I'll answer that question.  Did AION have paid advertising on this site?  Yes they did.  Did Fallen Earth have paid advertising on this site?  Not that I saw.  Could that be why there is such a huge difference in the score?  Most likely not, but it does make a person wonder.

 

It almost sounds that you would agree that the reviewer would have given the game a higher score. So I'm slightly confused if you read my question wrong.

Ok that you gave the game 6.5 (that's up to you) but the tone in the review was well over 6.9?

I think most folks can see his system wasn't really up to min requirements. Everyone else playing the game doesn't have the lag issues described by the reviewer.

Either that or he is so sensitive to the minor lag people get in major congested cities at peak hours that he felt the need to slam FE this hard, which brings up questions of his ability to review products objectively and honestly.

Originally posted by Euphoryk

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by Euphoryk

However, is there not some final say or needed approval by the "senior staff" before these reviews are frontpaged? and if so, why do reviews like this ever make it to the frontpage to begin with? especially when they seem to contradict this own sites opinion (as presented in the 10 Best MMOs since... article mentioned above) of said game in question.

Because Dana Massey's opinion differs from Joe Iuliani's? Different people are different.

 

They are. However, reviews are not to be meant to reflect personal taste, but a fair evaluation sir.

6.9 for this game is parsec's away from even being remotely fair.

DB

 

Thank you DB, for summing it up perfectly. This is exactly the point I was attempting to make.

No problem:)

Doesn't really matter anymore, as it has been clearly proven that the reviewer had been bulshitting about his specs, but Stradden has already made a standup to him, so he won't take it back.

They might do a re-review soon (or later), with a much fairer score, so we can forget this worthless pos of a "review" asap.

DB

Wow........ that score is a kick in the balls to Icarus.

As I look at some of the scores of the games on this list I just can't help but shake my head.

MMORPG.COM GAME REVIEWS

6.9 ........ wow ....... good job guys.

Pffft ........

 *rolls eyes and leaves the thread

~Hairysun

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by HiGHPLAiNS

Originally posted by Shannia

Since when did I say I like graphics over game play?  I'm saying that the graphic style there is crap.  They could have done a much better job on the graphic style.  I'm not talking about system performance because of said graphics.  There is a difference.  Also, game play is a lot more important to me than mature voice overs.   To me, FE devs focused on the wrong things in creating this game.  That is the beauty of it all. We are all entitled to our own opinion and IMHO, FE is the suxors and gets a 6.5 at best.

 

 

I just love other players on this forum that throw out numbers for ratings.

Shannia, since your using the Shannia grading scale as well. please let us know how you got to 6.5 and maybe, just maybe, I will take you seriously.

 

 

Where do you want me to start, with 10 and mark down or 0 and mark my way up.  Either way, you will find fault with my logic.  My whole point is, other than the fun and unique crafting system of FE, the game leaves me wanting to uninstall, and quickly.  Combine the pour tutorial, ugly graphic stylization and the HORRIBLE game play, and I come up with a 6.5.  You can thank the crafting system or I would write it down lower than that.   So yes, the crafting system lifts the innovation score for me.

 

 

Ok, uhm?

So if you bother to read the review. And then think for awhile.

Then just shortly explain how a positive review like this one would give the game a 6.9 score and yours... albeit a short review but really a negative one would give it 6.5.

Just don't add up. :/

 

I'll answer that question.  Did AION have paid advertising on this site?  Yes they did.  Did Fallen Earth have paid advertising on this site?  Not that I saw.  Could that be why there is such a huge difference in the score?  Most likely not, but it does make a person wonder.

 

It almost sounds that you would agree that the reviewer would have given the game a higher score. So I'm slightly confused if you read my question wrong.

Ok that you gave the game 6.5 (that's up to you) but the tone in the review was well over 6.9?

I will say that yes, it is true, the written write up and the score the reviewer gave do not match.  It should have been much higher.  Based on the write up, definately in the 8.0-8.5 range.  Definately not the 6.5.
 

I stand on my own 6.5 for the game because the reasons I stated already.

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Originally posted by Euphoryk

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by Euphoryk

However, is there not some final say or needed approval by the "senior staff" before these reviews are frontpaged? and if so, why do reviews like this ever make it to the frontpage to begin with? especially when they seem to contradict this own sites opinion (as presented in the 10 Best MMOs since... article mentioned above) of said game in question.

Because Dana Massey's opinion differs from Joe Iuliani's? Different people are different.

 

They are. However, reviews are not to be meant to reflect personal taste, but a fair evaluation sir.

6.9 for this game is parsec's away from even being remotely fair.

DB

 

Thank you DB, for summing it up perfectly. This is exactly the point I was attempting to make.

 

No problem:)

Doesn't really matter anymore, as it has been clearly proven that the reviewer had been bulshitting about his specs, but Stradden has already made a standup to him, so he won't take it back.

They might do a re-review soon (or later), with a much fairer score, so we can forget this worthless pos of a "review" asap.

DB

Wouldn't hold my breath for that one. Icarus doesn't have a "Tasos" on staff and wouldn't act in such a manner.

And then sites like these have the gaul to point fingers at others as to why noone is marching away from the Aion/WoW method of making games, lol!

Pls be nice now.
Let's not go there (Aion paid MMORPG.com review)

FE has advetisement as well (it has a FE giveaway right in the front page......), and when AoC launched they had every banner slot filled with AoC adverts, yet they gave AoC just a 7..............

The reason why Aion got such an high score is
1) The reviewer was a fanboy
2) The game plays like WoW (hence very intuitive interface+combat), everyone can play it, although that doesn't mean that everyone will enjoy it (reviewer needs to understand this distinction)

The reason why FE got a bad review is:
1) The reviewer is not a fan of the genre (sandbox)
2) The reviewer didn't have a system which will run the game at a rate which could make it more enjoyable

But the main reason why all this mess happened is that MMORPG.com do not have a comprehensive review system in place.
 

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by HiGHPLAiNS

Originally posted by Shannia

Since when did I say I like graphics over game play?  I'm saying that the graphic style there is crap.  They could have done a much better job on the graphic style.  I'm not talking about system performance because of said graphics.  There is a difference.  Also, game play is a lot more important to me than mature voice overs.   To me, FE devs focused on the wrong things in creating this game.  That is the beauty of it all. We are all entitled to our own opinion and IMHO, FE is the suxors and gets a 6.5 at best.

 

 

I just love other players on this forum that throw out numbers for ratings.

Shannia, since your using the Shannia grading scale as well. please let us know how you got to 6.5 and maybe, just maybe, I will take you seriously.

 

 

Where do you want me to start, with 10 and mark down or 0 and mark my way up.  Either way, you will find fault with my logic.  My whole point is, other than the fun and unique crafting system of FE, the game leaves me wanting to uninstall, and quickly.  Combine the pour tutorial, ugly graphic stylization and the HORRIBLE game play, and I come up with a 6.5.  You can thank the crafting system or I would write it down lower than that.   So yes, the crafting system lifts the innovation score for me.

 

 

Ok, uhm?

So if you bother to read the review. And then think for awhile.

Then just shortly explain how a positive review like this one would give the game a 6.9 score and yours... albeit a short review but really a negative one would give it 6.5.

Just don't add up. :/

 

I'll answer that question.  Did AION have paid advertising on this site?  Yes they did.  Did Fallen Earth have paid advertising on this site?  Not that I saw.  Could that be why there is such a huge difference in the score?  Most likely not, but it does make a person wonder.

 

It almost sounds that you would agree that the reviewer would have given the game a higher score. So I'm slightly confused if you read my question wrong.

Ok that you gave the game 6.5 (that's up to you) but the tone in the review was well over 6.9?

I will say that yes, it is true, the written write up and the score the reviewer gave do not match.  It should have been much higher.  Based on the write up, definately in the 8.0-8.5 range.  Definately not the 6.5.
 

I stand on my own 6.5 for the game because the reasons I stated already.

 

And when you have people who vehemently don't like the game agreeing with this point...yeah...

Originally posted by ste2000

Pls be nice now.
Let's not go there (Aion paid MMORPG.com review)

FE has advetisement as well (it has a FE giveaway right in the front page......), and when AoC launched they had every banner slot filled with AoC adverts, yet they gave AoC just a 7..............

The reason why Aion got such an high score is
1) The reviewer was a fanboy
2) The game plays like WoW (hence very intuitive interface+combat)

The reason why FE got a bad review is:
1) The reviewer is not a fan of the genre (sandbox)
2) The reviewer didn't have a system which will run the game at a rate which could make it more enjoyable

But the main reason why all this mess happened is that MMORPG.com do not have a comprehensive review system in place.
 

Very well said.

+1 to you sir

Originally posted by Thillian

Honestly Aion 8.7 and this 6.9? Is this supposed to be a way of telling publishers that you give a game 8.0 and better rating only if they pay you, or you really think that FE is worse than 90% of all the games you reviewed lately? If I compare the text from Aion and the text from FE, FE is much more positively described, yet still the rating is the other way around.

No wonder that metacritic, and gamerankings ignore your ratings and reviews completely.

Amen to this post.

Giving FE a 6.9 and labeling it "mediocre" simply because your "very mediocre" computer/OS combination couldn't cut it, is a terrible way to review. I'm seriously amazed the other staff members of mmorpg allowed you to give it that score, especially considering that you barely listed any other negatives about the game (and rightly so since there really aren't many). And then, to top it off, you guys give Aion an 8.9?! Seriously? Did you even play it? It's got to be one of the most generic mmos I've played in years. I've played F2P games that had more innovation, no joke. 
 

I hate to have to assume this about mmorpg, considering that I've been a member for a good 5 years now, but it really seems like you guys are becoming a "bought and sold" kind of site. Some of the high scores that you've given to mainstream mmos, that clearly didn't deserve it, make it painfully clear. This little instance here is just icing on the cake.

As a gamer, I'm truly ashamed. FE, in no way, deserved such a rating and you guys know it. It's a damn good game, possibly one of the best I've played in the last 5 years, and Icarus has got my deepest respect for bringing out a good, solid product despite being a tiny, indy company. That's a hell of a lot more than you can say for mainstream companies like Funcom, SOE, Mythic, and even NCsoft, who have had more than their fair share of lackluster titles and unstable releases, despite having way more money to spend. That alone speaks for itself.

I really hope you guys consider righting the wrong here and give FE (and by association, Icarus) a score that it/they actually deserve. 

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by VultureSkull

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by VultureSkull

Originally posted by Shannia

That is the beauty of it all. We are all entitled to our own opinion and IMHO, FE is the suxors and gets a 6.5 at best.

 

 

We are talking 'reviews' here not opinions i am afraid.

 

Reviews are opinions. It's Mr. Iuliani's call to write the review he did and give it a score that does not reflect what he has written. It's also our good fortune to be able to respond on a linked forum and state that his score is off base. We can then only hope that anyone reading the review, then looking at the score (with the subsequent thought of "WTF") will then refer to the various posts related to that thread.

Knowing that the majority of people post when they dislike something and seeing the overwhelming positive replies here for the game, and mixing that with other game sites giving more realistic scores, anyone looking for information can conclude that the score here isn't right and not to give it much credence.

Worry not. Joe Iuliani won't be the downfall of Fallen Earth. It'll do just fine without his endorsement or patronage.

 

Reviews are not opinions they are reviews and opinions are opinions...

I refer you to Skatty2007's post on page 3 of this thread :

My review of the Review of Fallen Earth:

--The reviewer suggests that starting off in a non-pistol oriented town is too difficult. This is far too much personal opinion. What works good for you "by starting off in a pistol town" may not work for someone else. It should be stated, "you can start off in a pistol, rifle, or melee town depending on what fits your initial playstyle, but neither of them are so conforming to a single combat form". Leave your opinion out of it, I have a functional brain and can make my own opinion thank you very much.

--It states that crafting in the game is extremely intensive and is worthy of its own article. But two sentences later is states "it works like most crafting systems." To me this is contradictory. If it is just like all the other crafting systems, why does it merit its own article?

--"I found it a little unwieldy with a keyboard and a mouse." Well thanks for your opinion, I found it to work best with a keyboard and a mouse. Everyone has their own way of what controls works best for them. Say something to the effect that you can use a keyboard\mouse combination or control pad depending on what gives you better control. But the way it is stated has far too much personal opinion in it. This is a review, not "Joe Schmoe's Personal Playstyle Reference Guide."

--It goes on to give advice on how to perform combat. Such as hit and move and take your time targeting. Is this an advice column? Later on he says how much he died (albeit due to lag). I'm not exactly feeling the validity of the advice here since he ended up dyeing so much. Not only that's, but this is a review , not a playguide or advice column (gee, see a recurring theme here?). If he dies cause of lag all the time, how can you properly employ hit and move to see if it is a valid combat technique? Again, leave your own expert advice out of a review please - I have a brain and will find my own technique that serves me well.

--It states the UI is fairly standard. That's just not the case. It failed to mention you can minimize everything in different positions than they are maximized, everything is resizable\adjustable (how many MMO's have you played that have the typical immovable hotbar at the bottom of the screen?) While I don't consider his write-up of the UI an opinion so I can't speak negatively about that, the review leaves out aspects of the UI that are not 'fairly standard'

--"Fast paced combat is not for everyone." Well guess what? There is no MMO or facet of an MMO that everyone is going to like. To say some people will like it and some people wont is incredibly obvious and can be said for every single game ever made in the history of gaming.

--"Fallen earth players are passionate about the game" This implies other people are not passionate about their other games. Also, are you reviewing their forums or the game? Putting a blurb in about your review of the forum is not relevant and highly subjective.

Overall score of the review of Fallen Earth: 6.9

His review only re-affirms of why I come here: Forum entertainment only.

 

Ahh, I smell what you're cooking. Your saying a review should, in essence, be (in no particular order):

1) You press enter to access the chat line.

2) The inventory is access by pressing the "I" key or clicking on the UI link marked "Inventory".

Kinda of a step by step of what does what. A mechanical or technical review as opposed to an impression or opinion review.

Those are a bit simplistic examples, but yes.  A review should be about how the game presents itself, not the experience that the review had while playing the game.

For instance the game may have a rich story line.  One may not like the actual story details that the game reviewer experiences, but it can be well done.  Therefore the review should say the game has a well developed story and rate the game in part on how well that story is developed, rather than the experience that reviewer had while playing out that story.  It should say something to the effect that if you one feels a rish story is important, the game may fit you well.

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There is in inherent conflict of interest in making a review of a game.  You are either going to like the game or not like the game.  But one has to separate those emotions in making an unbaised review - and that has to be hard to do, I'll definitely admit that.  That's why not everyone is qualified to write a review because some people are unable to do that.

In my opinion, that was not the case for this review, therefore this review is meaningless regardless of whatever score was given.

I've solved the problem for Jon.

It was a simple type-o.  It wasn't suppose to be a 6.9 it was suppose to be a 9.6!

There, now everyone is happy and we can all go about our business!