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Lobotomist
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10/21/09 10:09:46 AM#26
"1000 points for full Retcons ($12.50)" Pathetic buisness practice. Poor people that bought lifetime subs.
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10/21/09 10:59:22 AM#27
Originally posted by nekollx pay twice? You can pay in game resources for a retcone and get 4 costumes by 40 You get free retcons with big game changes they are adding a Retcon mission
Or your can pay real money.
Pay twice Wha? You should'nt have to pay for anything in a game that you have already subscribed too , disgusting practice. there is that clear enough for you ? |
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10/21/09 12:17:24 PM#28
Originally posted by summitus You should'nt have to pay for anything in a game that you have already subscribed too , disgusting practice. there is that clear enough for you ?
YOU DON'T THERE ARE THREE WAYS IN GAME (EITHER WORKING OR IN PRODUCTION) TO THE ONE WAY OUT OF GAME THAT COST MONEY.
IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU? |
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10/21/09 12:39:02 PM#29
Originally posted by nekollx You should'nt have to pay for anything in a game that you have already subscribed too , disgusting practice. there is that clear enough for you ?
YOU DON'T THERE ARE THREE WAYS IN GAME (EITHER WORKING OR IN PRODUCTION) TO THE ONE WAY OUT OF GAME THAT COST MONEY.
IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU?
Look if you cant get the simple concept .... then you should'nt be using forums .... oh and Btw, its considered rude to use Caps ... |
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10/21/09 1:04:30 PM#30
Look if you cant get the simple concept .... then you should'nt be using forums ....oh and Btw, its considered rude to use Caps ...
I read this: "If you don't agree with me you shouldn't be using forums..." followed by "It's okay for me to be rude but not you." I guess since you both make good points it's time to be mean? Noone isn't a word; It's "no one". On a side note, you can guess where the word "none" came from. |
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10/21/09 1:13:29 PM#31
Originally posted by Beezerbeez
Well in my defence , he was mean first .. :p |
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10/21/09 1:33:20 PM#32
This really isn't a game breaking thing, or even a big deal, its the future whether people like it or not. all the Doom and Gloomers think we are some how being forced to pay for this stuff, since its not even necessary then i don't see any argument against it. I seem to have forgotten people want everything for fee now a days, my bad. "The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." |
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10/21/09 1:50:26 PM#33
Originally posted by Shreddi
And ya know WHAT? There is nothing wrong with it. I was hoping they would. Not using it and made a couple other chars instead (like the game was designed for). People should go play the games they like so much that give them free respec, retcons, rectal exames, etc. etc. Come on, Ya just want to level one charecter and abuse the retcon system to experience what you should be creating a new character for. There is endless information on site and in the char builder. Important to always read advanced descriptions of powers when building. SO, You leveled your char to the max. Retconing max leveled chars to experience new powers is a cheat and should be paid for. Your lucky they allow it. Hell your paying the price of a few drinks or half a movie to power level a char to max if you want. By the way, Retcon cryers are just as guilty as those who have others power level for them. Those who claim their power sucks most likely because it looked cool, was outside their base powergroup and nothing was buffing it. Example, Power buff that adds mass damage to elemental powers and its found in elect, fire set but munitions takes it. Well.... uh, Ya made a mistake. Ive made tons and never cried over it because its in the description when taking power. I would be embarassed crying over my mistakes like that. Come on Suck it up. Or the better solution - Please go play the game you like so much better that gives you all this. Please. Dont ask the devs to dumb down a good game. It needs a lot of polish but watching the stats and checking with forums will give you enough to build your character.
You are so wrong on so many levels it makes me sad.
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10/21/09 2:02:25 PM#34
Originally posted by Scalebane
You people just dont get it do you, you are already paying a Monthly Sub for the game so you should'nt have to pay for anything in the game. Not only are you paying a monthly Sub you are condoning appalling business practice. All these things should be already there for subscribers. If its A ftp Game great have Item Shops, if its a Monthly Sub game , then this practice of dangleing carrots for people who already pay for the game cannot be justified. |
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10/21/09 2:11:39 PM#35
Originally posted by MMO_Doubter What argument? I wasn't making any argument. I was pointing out that I predicted prior to release that the cash shop would eventually sell respecs, and here we are. Any of you nay-sayers who said I was paranoid - feel free to admit I was right.
So let me get this straight, you had absoutly nothing at all to add to this post/conversation then the words "I'm right, I told you guys so! I'm 10 years old!" ...like nothing at all but that? really? hmm...alright then scooter, you were right. Enjoy it, live it up! Now if you were perhaps implying that its a negative point to the game like I thought you were that might be different, but since that point just kinda bit the dust hmm...no nevermind i would still just admit I was over-reacting and just not informed, much more pride and semblance of maturity in that then just getting on a forum to stroke your e-peen and show it to everyone and hope to god theres isnt bigger. Deadpool(to "Daredevil): See how you like it when I smack you with an interspatial distorter that will temporarily phase your brain into Dimension X! "Daredevil": This is an ipod with a piece of masking tape attached to it. Deadpool: It is...Ah, but for a second there, you were really worried! "Daredevil": Idiot. |
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10/21/09 2:25:15 PM#36
I was mean? Shall we review?
since you clearly couln't grasp the concept their were 3 way to get it WITHOUT paying i had to emphize the point. But you're the one claiming i'm the one "not clear on things" |
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10/21/09 2:27:19 PM#37
Originally posted by summitus
You people just dont get it do you, you are already paying a Monthly Sub for the game so you should'nt have to pay for anything in the game. Not only are you paying a monthly Sub you are condoning appalling business practice. All these things should be already there for subscribers. If its A ftp Game great have Item Shops, if its a Monthly Sub game , then this practice of dangleing carrots for people who already pay for the game cannot be justified.
No YOU don't get it Their are /4/ way to get a retcon. 2, ingame, 1 headed in game, one via the c store. how is this "dangeling carrots" |
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10/21/09 2:30:11 PM#38
Originally posted by summitus
You people just dont get it do you, you are already paying a Monthly Sub for the game so you should'nt have to pay for anything in the game. Not only are you paying a monthly Sub you are condoning appalling business practice. All these things should be already there for subscribers. If its A ftp Game great have Item Shops, if its a Monthly Sub game , then this practice of dangleing carrots for people who already pay for the game cannot be justified.
Well I mean I love CO and I'm not gonna quit just because of the C-store. I dont like it, I understand why they do it. I'm rather logical about it, I dont think it is a black and white issue like so many are slamming it for. It isnt a downright greedy practice as you dont HAVE to do it. Are they looking for an extra buck...deffinitly, does it matter, deffinitly not because its a video game. We arent playing "burn the heretic here" so everyone can just relax. At the end of the day they wanna make a quick buck and i wanna play the game. Now I think people would look at this completely different if say, most if not all of the contents were offered in an expansion pack and you had to run out to the store to buy it, along with a level cap increase and such. Now the question we ask ourselves is "If we dont condone this, then why the hell has it been ok for a game to charge money for expansions?" And dont feed yourself a lump of shit so you can sleep better tonight. New zones...new level cap you say? Well DDO has done that for free in the form of many many content updates, so now that we know a company can afford it...it should be no problem for hard hitters like SOE and Blizz to do it right? NO Blizz and SOE want their buck at the end of the day just like Cryptic does, is it a mild different because you can get on any time and buy a respec...yeah it is but like i said you can do that with in game currency too. There is a thin line here ladies and gentlemen and you can walk it if you like, but all i'm saying is dont claim its black and white and turn into a big flamming hypocrite when you just gave SOE or Blizz or whoever their $30 for the same damn thing DDO is giving away for free. Which is really the same argument you bring to the table "This company doesnt do it so why does yours charge for it?" I'm not saying its right...but i'm not saying its wrong either, just food for thought. Deadpool(to "Daredevil): See how you like it when I smack you with an interspatial distorter that will temporarily phase your brain into Dimension X! "Daredevil": This is an ipod with a piece of masking tape attached to it. Deadpool: It is...Ah, but for a second there, you were really worried! "Daredevil": Idiot. |
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10/21/09 2:32:35 PM#39
Originally posted by Sortis
Well I mean I love CO and I'm not gonna quit just because of the C-store. I dont like it, I understand why they do it. I'm rather logical about it, I dont think it is a black and white issue like so many are slamming it for. It isnt a downright greedy practice as you dont HAVE to do it. Are they looking for an extra buck...deffinitly, does it matter, deffinitly not because its a video game. We arent playing "burn the heretic here" so everyone can just relax. At the end of the day they wanna make a quick buck and i wanna play the game. Now I think people would look at this completely different if say, most if not all of the contents were offered in an expansion pack and you had to run out to the store to buy it, along with a level cap increase and such. Now the question we ask ourselves is "If we dont condone this, then why the hell has it been ok for a game to charge money for expansions?" And dont feed yourself a lump of shit so you can sleep better tonight. New zones...new level cap you say? Well DDO has done that for free in the form of many many content updates, so now that we know a company can afford it...it should be no problem for hard hitters like SOE and Blizz to do it right? NO Blizz and SOE want their buck at the end of the day just like Cryptic does, is it a mild different because you can get on any time and buy a respec...yeah it is but like i said you can do that with in game currency too. There is a thin line here ladies and gentlemen and you can walk it if you like, but all i'm saying is dont claim its black and white and turn into a big flamming hypocrite when you just gave SOE or Blizz or whoever their $30 for the same damn thing DDO is giving away for free. Which is really the same argument you bring to the table "This company doesnt do it so why does yours charge for it?" I'm not saying its right...but i'm not saying its wrong either, just food for thought. Blizz does do it...you cna change your race/faction for a modest 30 bucks... |
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10/21/09 2:34:02 PM#40
Originally posted by nekollx
Well I mean I love CO and I'm not gonna quit just because of the C-store. I dont like it, I understand why they do it. I'm rather logical about it, I dont think it is a black and white issue like so many are slamming it for. It isnt a downright greedy practice as you dont HAVE to do it. Are they looking for an extra buck...deffinitly, does it matter, deffinitly not because its a video game. We arent playing "burn the heretic here" so everyone can just relax. At the end of the day they wanna make a quick buck and i wanna play the game. Now I think people would look at this completely different if say, most if not all of the contents were offered in an expansion pack and you had to run out to the store to buy it, along with a level cap increase and such. Now the question we ask ourselves is "If we dont condone this, then why the hell has it been ok for a game to charge money for expansions?" And dont feed yourself a lump of shit so you can sleep better tonight. New zones...new level cap you say? Well DDO has done that for free in the form of many many content updates, so now that we know a company can afford it...it should be no problem for hard hitters like SOE and Blizz to do it right? NO Blizz and SOE want their buck at the end of the day just like Cryptic does, is it a mild different because you can get on any time and buy a respec...yeah it is but like i said you can do that with in game currency too. There is a thin line here ladies and gentlemen and you can walk it if you like, but all i'm saying is dont claim its black and white and turn into a big flamming hypocrite when you just gave SOE or Blizz or whoever their $30 for the same damn thing DDO is giving away for free. Which is really the same argument you bring to the table "This company doesnt do it so why does yours charge for it?" I'm not saying its right...but i'm not saying its wrong either, just food for thought. Blizz does do it...you cna change your race/faction for a modest 30 bucks... So i've heard, I was just using them and SOE as an example as everyone knows those names. = ) Deadpool(to "Daredevil): See how you like it when I smack you with an interspatial distorter that will temporarily phase your brain into Dimension X! "Daredevil": This is an ipod with a piece of masking tape attached to it. Deadpool: It is...Ah, but for a second there, you were really worried! "Daredevil": Idiot. |
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10/21/09 2:37:12 PM#41
Originally posted by Sortis Blizz does do it...you cna change your race/faction for a modest 30 bucks... So i've heard, I was just using them and SOE as an example as everyone knows those names. = )
Some times you gotta go where everybody knows your name.... |
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10/21/09 2:42:25 PM#42
Originally posted by Sortis
You can still spend a shat ton of in game currency to respec if you want...the option to do the very same thing in game is still there, just another option for those who want to go that route. Your argument just lost most of its substance. I am going to rewrite what you said, but only change 2 words.
You can still spend a shat ton of in game currency in game loot if you want...the option to do the very same thing in game is still there, just another option for those who want to go that route. Your argument just lost most of its substance. Beware of the precedent being set here, because your logic can be applied to ANYTHING in the game. Somehow I don't think you would be so dismissive if that was the case.
Beyond that, you can't earn extra character slots in game and there is no reason to sell additional ones after release. It really is just greedy. I assume the same applies to the extra costume slots?
It really is an example of a company reducing or eliminating things from release with the intention of selling them as "addons" in a cash store. The problem is that there is no benefit to the players in this type of business model. In a straight subscription based game, all of these items would be free and have their access levels determined by gameplay and not restricted to encourage people to spend extra money.
Long story short, I don't see a benefit to players when a company removes content and features only to hold them hostage for a ransom.
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10/21/09 2:45:26 PM#43
Originally posted by Daffid011 I am going to rewrite what you said, but only change 2 words.
You can still spend a shat ton of in game currency in game loot if you want...the option to do the very same thing in game is still there, just another option for those who want to go that route. Your argument just lost most of its substance. Beware of the precedent being set here, because your logic can be applied to ANYTHING in the game. Somehow I don't think you would be so dismissive if that was the case.
Beyond that, you can't earn extra character slots in game and there is no reason to sell additional ones after release. It really is just greedy. I assume the same applies to the extra costume slots?
It really is an example of a company reducing or eliminating things from release with the intention of selling them as "addons" in a cash store. The problem is that there is no benefit to the players in this type of business model. In a straight subscription based game, all of these items would be free and have their access levels determined by gameplay and not restricted to encourage people to spend extra money.
Long story short, I don't see a benefit to players when a company removes content and features only to hold them hostage for a ransom.
you get 8 character slots 16 with special subcription offters Or buy them in 4 packs you get 4 costumes in game or buys more in the c store
Holoween Costumes? Earned in the event or bought
New contume sets and emblems Earn perks or buy a set Action figures? Mission or C store
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEXXXXXXXXXXXXXTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Edit: i think i know your problem You don't want to work in game for anything, or pay for it out of game. You want everything free. Your part of the fricking "gimmie" genenration which expect people to spood feed you everything for free. |
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10/21/09 3:13:22 PM#44
The precedent was set long ago with loot cards, and repurchasing software for exclusive items. When CoX started adding a few things to the online store, they blatantly told the community that they were running on a shoestring budget, and they wanted to add a few specialized developers to the team. Now with Cryptic I'm guess they had a big budget coming out of the gate, and the game hasn't made as much money to this point as they would have liked. Makes me wonder if the $15 a month standard fee is dated and should be raised? |
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10/21/09 3:19:54 PM#45
Originally posted by ebonfire
Probably, but honestly can you really see people paying more? I can't |
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10/21/09 3:25:12 PM#46
Actually this was requested via a thread on the official forums by many players. So, don't go just blaming cryptic. However, I find it amazing that they had the time to do this, but yet not find the time to add more content. (And no, three small instances doesn't equal enough content to fill the gaps). Ugh, Cryptic needs to get there act together. After my 6 month sub, I'm out. |
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10/21/09 3:26:22 PM#47
Originally posted by junzo316
A valid concern. i BARLY made it to 40, and i had to go several days with content half my level as the only grind around 38 and from 21 on i kept fighting +1,+2, +3...by the time i ran out at 38 i was running 42/43s |
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10/21/09 5:01:48 PM#48
Originally posted by Sortis
Well I mean I love CO and I'm not gonna quit just because of the C-store. I dont like it, I understand why they do it. I'm rather logical about it, I dont think it is a black and white issue like so many are slamming it for. It isnt a downright greedy practice as you dont HAVE to do it. Are they looking for an extra buck...deffinitly, does it matter, deffinitly not because its a video game. We arent playing "burn the heretic here" so everyone can just relax. At the end of the day they wanna make a quick buck and i wanna play the game. Now I think people would look at this completely different if say, most if not all of the contents were offered in an expansion pack and you had to run out to the store to buy it, along with a level cap increase and such. Now the question we ask ourselves is "If we dont condone this, then why the hell has it been ok for a game to charge money for expansions?" And dont feed yourself a lump of shit so you can sleep better tonight. New zones...new level cap you say? Well DDO has done that for free in the form of many many content updates, so now that we know a company can afford it...it should be no problem for hard hitters like SOE and Blizz to do it right? NO Blizz and SOE want their buck at the end of the day just like Cryptic does, is it a mild different because you can get on any time and buy a respec...yeah it is but like i said you can do that with in game currency too. There is a thin line here ladies and gentlemen and you can walk it if you like, but all i'm saying is dont claim its black and white and turn into a big flamming hypocrite when you just gave SOE or Blizz or whoever their $30 for the same damn thing DDO is giving away for free. Which is really the same argument you bring to the table "This company doesnt do it so why does yours charge for it?" I'm not saying its right...but i'm not saying its wrong either, just food for thought.
Oh! Reason! How rare. And boring. =P Nah, I agree. But it is way more fun to start a flamewar, ja ne? *giggles* But seriously, I would not quit CO if I liked it, but for my perspective it is sorta like the final nail on the coffin. I hated the nerfs, I hated how CO lacked in some parts right away and adding stuff to buy extra is so just the final "enough" for me to skip this game. Even tho I loved the general idea of the game, but we don't feed from ideas. |
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10/21/09 5:05:44 PM#49
Originally posted by Yunbei
Well I mean I love CO and I'm not gonna quit just because of the C-store. I dont like it, I understand why they do it. I'm rather logical about it, I dont think it is a black and white issue like so many are slamming it for. It isnt a downright greedy practice as you dont HAVE to do it. Are they looking for an extra buck...deffinitly, does it matter, deffinitly not because its a video game. We arent playing "burn the heretic here" so everyone can just relax. At the end of the day they wanna make a quick buck and i wanna play the game. Now I think people would look at this completely different if say, most if not all of the contents were offered in an expansion pack and you had to run out to the store to buy it, along with a level cap increase and such. Now the question we ask ourselves is "If we dont condone this, then why the hell has it been ok for a game to charge money for expansions?" And dont feed yourself a lump of shit so you can sleep better tonight. New zones...new level cap you say? Well DDO has done that for free in the form of many many content updates, so now that we know a company can afford it...it should be no problem for hard hitters like SOE and Blizz to do it right? NO Blizz and SOE want their buck at the end of the day just like Cryptic does, is it a mild different because you can get on any time and buy a respec...yeah it is but like i said you can do that with in game currency too. There is a thin line here ladies and gentlemen and you can walk it if you like, but all i'm saying is dont claim its black and white and turn into a big flamming hypocrite when you just gave SOE or Blizz or whoever their $30 for the same damn thing DDO is giving away for free. Which is really the same argument you bring to the table "This company doesnt do it so why does yours charge for it?" I'm not saying its right...but i'm not saying its wrong either, just food for thought.
Oh! Reason! How rare. And boring. =P Nah, I agree. But it is way more fun to start a flamewar, ja ne? *giggles* But seriously, I would not quit CO if I liked it, but for my perspective it is sorta like the final nail on the coffin. I hated the nerfs, I hated how CO lacked in some parts right away and adding stuff to buy extra is so just the final "enough" for me to skip this game. Even tho I loved the general idea of the game, but we don't feed from ideas. What is this "Adding stuff to buy" fuss about. You get all that stuff in some form just by PLAYING THE GAME. Sheesh. |
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10/21/09 5:15:53 PM#50
As long as the shop is doing things that can be gotten through game play I don't have as much of a problem with it, still won't play the game because of it though. I prefer everyone to do things through the game, and earn the rewards. I also have a feeling this sort of payment plan will be in star trek online and if they do that I will have to check that game off my list of mmos I am interested in. |
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