ok you cant have it both ways.

point 1

WOW did nothing new and isnt original 

point 2

if wow isnt original then everything wow did was done before.

conclusion

wow did not ruin mmo's  the mmo's wow copied itself from ruined mmo's

 thank you for taking the time to use logic

edit: typos cause im drunk and tired

I'm sooooooo waiting for TOR to launch to have some fun reading people's whining that is not the holy grail.

@thg7f:

That is not what he meant. He only explained where the hate comes from. Not if it is logic.

Anyhow, I was not looking for a discussion about it. I just find it a bit easy to say "go back to WoW" all the time, especially in a topic where it's implied the poster is intending to do just that.

Originally posted by metalhead980

Aion made me love Single player Rpgs again.

 

Oh my god that's so true !

I'm playing Risen atm and I'm wondering how the hell could i have spent so much time on Aion !

Lol the xfire discussion is ridiculous... I just asked in my guild, we have around 15 members on, NOT ONE of them is using xfire... Now make up your own mind... ;)

I overwrote my risen mage save by mistake. I still have the melee guy though. I can't seem to find the saves though so as to make a proper backup (bought game from steam).

honestly who cares if 50000 ppl or 5 million play a game.  I could care less if half of wow's pop left as long as the game is making money and won't fold it doesnt affect me.  I dont play with scrubs, so if my friends and I reach the decade mark and wow is still the game we find the most fun to play then so be it. We don't care if we are playing with millions of others or not.

Im sure the same is true of Aion, as long as you are enjoying the game and ncsoft doesn't pull a tabula rasa again, then have fun, but please keep the youngsters over there.... they annoy me in wow.

Originally posted by sirchive

Aion is possibly the most boring MMO I've ever played. Nothing about it is interesting or compelling. The ONE good thing about playing Aion is that it made me appreciate WoW again. I THOUGHT I was bored with WoW. But a couple of weeks with Aion and now WoW seems like as wondrous and fascinating as it did three years ago.

I really give Aion low marks for the complete absence of creativity. I never would have believed that an MMO released in 2009 would merely recycle ALL the most boring elements of previous MMOs without trying to do one single thing that is different or creative. Other overly hyped games like Age of Conan or Warhammer at least tried to add in some unique elements. But Aion only offered up the same familiar class types, same familiar combat mechanics, same boring kill and fetch quests, same pointless PvP - all of which was getting old and stale five years ago.

My wife got hooked by the amazing character creation and it ended up costing us $120 dollars and two weeks of boredom. I can honestly say that I have never been so relieved to un-install a game in my entire life.

I agree the initial Eye Candy and polished edges draw you in .... but it soon becomes apparent that the candy is only covering a very boring cake. Such a shame I  really wanted to like Aion but it was just impossible .. and I really tried.

The only positive is that I started playing FE and think I have found my new Mmo home ! ( for awhile anyway :p) .

Originally posted by bastii

Originally posted by Xasapis

I'm part of the problem because you can't give a reasonable explanation on why Aion numbers are inflated on xfire?

I suppose I am since I can't give a reasonable explanation either.

The only explanation I can think of, which doesn't involve a tinfoil hat, is that for some reason xfire is a lot more appealing to Aion users for some reason. Thus the percentage of people playing Aion while using xfire is a lot bigger than the people playing other MMOs and use xfire. I have no idea if this is the case though, since I've never used xfire, I didn't think that xfire was any useful.

 

Just so you know, Aionsource and other sites have told people on purpose in many threads, even threads solely explaining how to use Xfire, to use it to record their gameplay.

It's only normal that the numbers are inflated versus earlier games, no one I know who plays old-school games even knows what Xfire is.

Regardless, you can't judge the Xfire numbers until the first month runs out and another thing is, Xfire uses hours played, not the amount of accounts.

It's only natural that people play a game more when it comes out, it doesn't mean the game has more subs.

And the end result is painfully clear.

It was obvious the ghost came out of the bottle after the AoC and War trackings of Xfire play.

In those games (which sold 800K in the first 2 weeks btw), you could track the players by the week on Xfire.

Even the stock raters of FunCom were using Xfire as a tracking tool back then.

Most people felt that Xfire was ONE of the reasons the games lost their retention rate.

Like "I am leaving and look ... on Xfire everyone else is leaving."

As Aionsource is behind it, it could partly explain the 4X more Aion Xfire players than EVE Xfire players.

IF this is the main cause: Xfire plays will still decrease in the coming months as 30% retention rate is normal. IF not however those 5K oversampled XFire players will stay on as a fixed base (even after the servers become quiet).

Interesting to follow.

NCSoft's main publicity was "we will be the second most played mmo in the west".

I guess they just "helped" Xfire stats a lttile.

As bad as I found War, I think it is a disgusting attitude towards the competition à la EVE and Lotro.

Chances are EVE already has equal or even MORE subs than Aion as we speak.

Stock it with the false (and never confirmed) 3.5 M eastern subscriptions too. No wonder NCsoft won't give subs numbers anymore ....

BTW Those supposed never confirmed 3.5 M eastern players (and Wow killer in the east phrase") were the ONLY reason this game was so much hyped.

TY for the update.

Originally posted by sirchive

WoW is possibly the most boring MMO I've ever played. Nothing about it is interesting or compelling. The ONE good thing about playing WoW is that it made me appreciate Sandboxing again. I THOUGHT I was bored with Sandboxing. But a couple of hours with WoW and now Sandboxing seems like as wondrous and fascinating as it did three years ago.

I really give WoW low marks for the complete absence of creativity. I never would have believed that an MMO released in 2004 would merely recycle ALL the most boring elements of previous MMOs without trying to do one single thing that is different or creative. But WoW only offered up the same familiar class types, same familiar combat mechanics, same boring kill and fetch quests, same pointless PvP - all of which was getting old and stale.

I can honestly say that I have never been so relieved to un-install a game in my entire life.

IMO

Originally posted by DuraheLL

Originally posted by sirchive

WoW is possibly the most boring MMO I've ever played. Nothing about it is interesting or compelling. The ONE good thing about playing WoW is that it made me appreciate Sandboxing again. I THOUGHT I was bored with Sandboxing. But a couple of hours with WoW and now Sandboxing seems like as wondrous and fascinating as it did three years ago.

I really give WoW low marks for the complete absence of creativity. I never would have believed that an MMO released in 2004 would merely recycle ALL the most boring elements of previous MMOs without trying to do one single thing that is different or creative. But WoW only offered up the same familiar class types, same familiar combat mechanics, same boring kill and fetch quests, same pointless PvP - all of which was getting old and stale.

I can honestly say that I have never been so relieved to un-install a game in my entire life.

IMO

This is the typical mmorpg.com post isn't it. ... laughs...edit a post and than turn to a popularity test on wow-hate.mmorpg.com

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Btw "IMO" serves on mmorpg.com as the worst taste in human history.

IMO, WW2 never happened, IMO, Coca Cola is not big, IMO, Bolt is not the fastest man on this planet.

IMO, no one ever walked on the moon.

IMO WOW is not the most succesful game in the video game history.

IMO Blizzard doesn not rake in 1.2 billion dollars yearly revenu each year.

IMO of course.

Am I the only one who likes both games without hating on one or the other?

You're not. It's just that some people think that this is impossible.

@DuraheLL

Yeah, we all know that World of Warcraft is usually called WoW and it was released in 2004. Other than that, what exactly was your point? More of the same ancient "only kids play WoW" fantasies? They've only become boooring (yeah, in Bart Simpson's way of pronouncing this word) over the years, my dear little Aion fanboy, nothing else.

Originally posted by Korhindi

Am I the only one who likes both games without hating on one or the other?

No and have fun.

BTW I hardly say anything against Aion itself (although everyone can troll a game),

I always was disgusted by the fact how it was wrongly promoted with false figures in the east and in the west.

And how thin the future of next launches looks when you fall into this trap of false figures and wrong hype.

Originally posted by wowfan1996

@DuraheLL

Yeah, we all know that World of Warcraft is usually called WoW and it was released in 2004. Other than that, what exactly was your point? More of the same ancient "only kids play WoW" fantasies? They've only become boooring (yeah, in Bart Simpson's way of pronouncing this word) over the years, my dear little Aion fanboy, nothing else.

First of all, im not a Aion fanboy.

Second of all, you are a strange fellow are you not. What my point was? To reply to this stupid thread in an equal fashion of  course. How in the world did you make what I did into "only kids play WoW" material? Do you even read stuff on this site or jump to offend people right away perhaps?

Originally posted by sirchive

Aion is possibly the most boring MMO I've ever played. Nothing about it is interesting or compelling. The ONE good thing about playing Aion is that it made me appreciate WoW again. I THOUGHT I was bored with WoW. But a couple of weeks with Aion and now WoW seems like as wondrous and fascinating as it did three years ago.

I really give Aion low marks for the complete absence of creativity. I never would have believed that an MMO released in 2009 would merely recycle ALL the most boring elements of previous MMOs without trying to do one single thing that is different or creative. Other overly hyped games like Age of Conan or Warhammer at least tried to add in some unique elements. But Aion only offered up the same familiar class types, same familiar combat mechanics, same boring kill and fetch quests, same pointless PvP - all of which was getting old and stale five years ago.

My wife got hooked by the amazing character creation and it ended up costing us $120 dollars and two weeks of boredom. I can honestly say that I have never been so relieved to un-install a game in my entire life.

I agree with most of this. Aion looks good and runs well (most of the time). The ascension-to-daeva thing is pretty neat, though it wasn't quite as impressive as I thought it would be. Still, it's cool to be an "angel".

But the rest of the game: very basic. It's like taking ten steps back in MMO design. I'm sorry for those of you who like this game, but I really hope it fails miserably in the west: I do not want other MMO developers thinking of Aion's "back to basics" design as a success. Let them go forward.

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Originally posted by DuraheLL
First of all, im not a Aion fanboy.

How in the world did you make what I did into "only kids play WoW" material?

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Why do you post meaningless fanboy-style messages then? And what "sandbox" was supposed to mean? Make clearer statements and people will understand you better.

Indeed. My main was level 30 and I just canceled my sub yesterday.

Aion was an MMO atavism: It removed the essential elements of role-playing games and reduced MMO's to something along the lines of an online competition.

It has a pathetic story that seems tacked on, LINEAR ZONES (no matter how high you get it's always some theme-park that is thinly walled in by mountains/lakes/you name it) and possibly the most uninspired quests I've ever done outside of a free to play game. There isn't even swimming and it's a 3d game...

How people can manage to role-play in this game is beyond me and how people can get past 30 and still enjoy the game is unfathomable:  PvP requires consumables, crafting is basically WoW's crafting with added quests (it still sucks, yet you're nearly required to do it for income) and gathering is a quintessential part of the game as well (and still as boring).

The most interesting classes (i.e. sorc, assassin, spirit master) are nearly carbon copies of their WoW equivalents and don't come with the kind of character customization you'd expect: You can only select 5 skills (advanced ones are nearly preset) and they don't affect how you play your character at all, unlike other games (i.e. EQ2, WoW, you name it). The rest of the classes are mindless and boring, giving you hardly any meaningful CC/twitch skills to manage.

Aion took the RP out of RP G: It is merely a way to level a pretty looking character from A to B without all of the stuff that made role-playing interesting in the genre. I'd call it more along the lines of MMO Action Game than RPG.

Guildwars is more of an RPG than Aion will ever be and I think that speaks volumes.

Originally posted by wowfan1996

 

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Originally posted by DuraheLL
First of all, im not a Aion fanboy.

 

How in the world did you make what I did into "only kids play WoW" material?

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Why do you post meaningless fanboy-style messages then? And what "sandbox" was supposed to mean? Make clearer statements and people will understand you better.

 

Hah... I think describing myself to you will do little to nothing will it. And francly I don't give a damn so I won't. Take it for what it is, what I say or what I do, and make of it what you think.

And how do you not get what sandbox means? It's games where you "sandbox" = change the world in drastic ways or make your own towns or whatnot. It's a common therm used in MMORPG connections, maby you should read up more

Originally posted by DuraheLL

Originally posted by wowfan1996

 

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Originally posted by DuraheLL
First of all, im not a Aion fanboy.

 

How in the world did you make what I did into "only kids play WoW" material?

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Why do you post meaningless fanboy-style messages then? And what "sandbox" was supposed to mean? Make clearer statements and people will understand you better.

 

Hah... I think describing myself to you will do little to nothing will it. And francly I don't give a damn so I won't. Take it for what it is, what I say or what I do, and make of it what you think.

And how do you not get what sandbox means? It's games where you "sandbox" = change the world in drastic ways or make your own towns or whatnot. It's a common therm used in MMORPG connections, maby you should read up more

You don't know what sandbox means. 

Originally posted by colddog

You don't know what sandbox means. 

I just said what it meant did I not. If you can make your own town IE SWG, it's a sandbox game. If there are no set linear paths of gameplay and you are free to roam and adventure in your own fashion, it's a sandbox game. If you have no set faction to rely on and can choose your own at any given time, it's a sandbox game. To hell what people have done with the expression today, but yeah I stand my ground.

Originally posted by DuraheLL

Originally posted by colddog

You don't know what sandbox means. 

 

I just said what it meant did I not. If you can make your own town IE SWG, it's a sandbox game. If there are no set linear paths of gameplay and you are free to roam and adventure in your own fashion, it's a sandbox game. If you have no set faction to rely on and can choose your own at any given time, it's a sandbox game. To hell what people have done with the expression today, but yeah I stand my ground.

Do you think Aion is a sandbox game?

Originally posted by wowfan1996

 

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Originally posted by DuraheLL
First of all, im not a Aion fanboy.

 

How in the world did you make what I did into "only kids play WoW" material?

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Why do you post meaningless fanboy-style messages then? And what "sandbox" was supposed to mean? Make clearer statements and people will understand you better.

 

Sandbox is used to describe games where you make your own content mostly, much like, say, playing in a sandbox.

There is a big thing with 'sandbox' games against 'themepark' games. World of Warcraft is heavily a 'themepark' game, albeit a very good one, as it does have some very nice rides.

The problem that a lot of people have with themepark games, a la WoW and Aion, is that they only go in one direction, there is generally little use for exploring (i.e. no reward for doing so whatsoever, except that they will have slowed their leveling progress), crafting is usually an extra in these games, and players' choices mean little, if anything.

In world of warcraft, for example, a Horde guild could declare war on an Alliance guild and... so what? A Horde guild could choose to spend their time raiding cities and... so what?

Now, I'm just going to use EvE because, though I don't like to say it, I have very little experience in Sandbox games, but have heard enough about EvE to say things about it (soooo many fanboys, not that it's a bad thing)

In EvE, if a Corporation decides to declare war against another Corporation, well, shit, players in either Corp will be a lot more careful, they will likely start traveling in packs more often, simply because they paid in a lot of money and time for their current ship, and god forbid they get 'podded' and have to purchase another clone or whatever... There is a lot more risk in EvE, and player-made content means a lot more - hence it being a "sandbox" game, as the game is what the players make of it.

I'm going to finish this off by saying meh.

Meh.