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Kaocan
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Joined: 8/18/09
The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend. |
10/21/09 5:09:41 AM#51
Originally posted by Zorndorf
Dear Guill, read what you just wrote: You played Wow for 2 years, you played War for 4 months, you played Aion for 1 month. And I think you just took a life sub for lotro, but in no way are you playing that game non stop. So you really answered my remark. Take of the glasses. That's why you can replace all the remarks for all those games with ... (little dots). Actually, I think you might be assuming a little much there. It is possible for people to play more than one game at the same time and still be playing them non-stop. Some of us actually can play 2 or even 3 of them at once. For example, if I play WoW when I get off work in the mornings because thats when my guild is online, then I'm playing it right? And I play CoH when I have a day off on Tuesdays, each week, then I'm playing it too right? And then I play Aion on my weekends off, then I'm playing it too right? To assume someone isn't continuously playing a game because its not the ONLY one they play is actually wrong. (DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.) |
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10/21/09 5:28:52 AM#52
Originally posted by Zorndorf
I played WoW from July 2005 till 1 month after The Burning Crusade expansion. And the reason I quit, was because I finally got totally fed up with the community. Not even the game itself lol. When I played WAR for 4 months. It was the only game I played at that time. LOTRO. I don't have a life sub, but maybe I should have done it back then. That's a different matter. At the moment I have both a sub for LOTRO and EverQuest 2 and enjoy both games. My gf loves EverQuest 2, so I play that game mostly with her and LOTRO when I play alone. AION would have been my replacement for LOTRO, as I was interested in the RvR aspect of AION. I just can't stand it that everywhere I go I run into trains of bots 24/7, even see legit players (in legions even) botting away during both primetime and off hours. All in plain sight! Because they know NCSoft sucks at support and doesn't give a damn. Sorry. Maybe you guys can put up a blindfold and pretend they are not there and don't mind being 1-shotted in PVP by cheaters who bought themselves full gold sets with RMT. I can't! |
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10/21/09 5:29:59 AM#53
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tryklon
 Advanced Member
Joined: 7/17/06
"The flow of time is cruel...its speed seems different for each person, but no one can change it..." |
10/21/09 5:31:55 AM#54
What I find curious is that some ppl actually believe what the OP said is true, lol
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10/21/09 5:34:54 AM#55
Aion is not too bad..but is not too good also...map design with narrow zones, very linear gameplay and some stuff i cant figure out makes the game boring...
Something is missing, and 4 y playing wow makes almost all mmos look bad...wow is still the most enjoyable..but im tired trying to find a new mmo..but they all suck...i mean i spent alot of money lately in mmos..nothing keeps me going...
Waiting on SWTOR, star trek, Mortal Online... |
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10/21/09 5:38:34 AM#56
Originally posted by tryklon
We ignored the OP long ago already. We are discussing the game itself now. Keep up man!! |
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tryklon
Advanced Member
Joined: 7/17/06
"The flow of time is cruel...its speed seems different for each person, but no one can change it..." |
10/21/09 5:39:40 AM#57
Originally posted by Guillermo197
We ignored the OP long ago already. We are discussing the game itself now. Keep up man!!
I know, but i find laughable the attempts of this people
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Kaocan
Hard Core Member
Joined: 8/18/09
The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend. |
10/21/09 5:42:46 AM#58
Originally posted by Pocahinha I personally believe you have hit the nail on the head with why so many people continue to play WoW. It's not that its the end all of MMOs, it's just the only one that doesn't suck in the past 4 years. One reason or another, every one that has come out in the time of WoW's reign, has had a flaw which caused the player base to go back to what they knew. Personally I'm just kicking back in Fallen Earth right now and waiting on TSW to come out, if it ever does that is. (DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.) |
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10/21/09 5:47:53 AM#59
Yes, you are correct. NCSoft created Halloween just to keep subs. Steakplisken |
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10/21/09 5:50:16 AM#60
Originally posted by Zorndorf
He exagerated in the 50% part. But the situation of the servers never lie. As 60% of the people were logging on concurrenly in the first week (NCsoft source) you had queus with a server based capacity of around 180K players (12/12 * 7 K players). The present day capacity is 14/18 * 7K players, so that means they can handle around 250K players concurrently at max load... The sad problem is the oversampled rate of Aion Xfire players (300K sub based EVE is played 4 times less than Aion), so there is an oversampling of around 5K Aion FXire players out of the 11K present. The game came now under 10K coming from 12K at the first full weekend ... (substracting the 5K fixed oversampling) that would mean a loss of 2 K Xfire players on 7 K real samples. That would mean the usual 30% drop off just before the end of the free period. 30% is the usual drop in the first free month. So nothing unusual either. The next big drop will come around the 3/4 months mark, usual ending at around 30% retention rate. If the game has serious problems around that point it falls to War/Aoc pops (meaning around 10% of the intial burst). It's all math really.
Yep i believe in the 30% loss |
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10/21/09 6:03:37 AM#61
Several things in this thread are great entertainment but what is with you people? NCSoft proved with L2 they will not bend to appease the western audience. They do not have to get 239567290743 subs here to be successful and believe it or not this country is not the center of the importance universe. That idiot over at Aion Source who wrote that big long letter could have just summed it up in a few words or simply..........Dear NCSoft, Please make this game a carbon copy of WOW with wings. That would have saved a ton of space. If you leave I promise you they will not care and will not be any less successful. All the folks spouting this was a WOW killer or stuff along those lines was also a fool. NCSoft history goes to show this and a company rarely changes its ways to satisfy a few. |
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10/21/09 6:13:27 AM#62
If what you are saying was true, we'd be playing with gameguard right now. We are not. And this is just one thing among many additions done to the game due to western requests. Exp buffs is another one that is on test servers right now. So what you're saying is not true. |
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10/21/09 7:08:54 AM#63
Originally posted by Xasapis Keep on dreaming mate. 1.5 was supposed to provide a huge increase and it didnt. The quest xp buff will be minimal and yet the players will think they won. GG was another issue as it was causing mass issues. They didnt get rid of it to appease the player base. Once again the core of the game will not change. And I promise NCSoft does not regard the western audience as a must have so keep thinking the whining will get you somewhere. Come back in a month read this post and remember what you said. If people want WOW they should play WOW and if they want Aion should play Aion. |
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10/21/09 7:13:23 AM#64
1.5 was supposed to provide additional PvE content and quests, which it did. The increased experience for quest was due to another patch. I think you're a bit mixed up. |
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10/21/09 7:15:52 AM#65
Originally posted by Xasapis It was intended to lessen the grind is what I was speaking to. It didnt. If I am wrong about them drastically changing the game towards the WOW casual model I will admit it as I admit freely when I am wrong but I just do not see it catering to the western folks is all. |
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10/21/09 7:21:58 AM#66
I'm already level 35 and i play maybe 3 hours a day if im lucky. The game is far far from the grind that people had in lineage II. |
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10/21/09 7:25:26 AM#67
From my understanding the game had PvE gaps that NCsoft wanted to address with the 1.5 patch. Whether they succeeded is another issue. I suppose that filling those gaps should have solved the need to grind mobs as the main method of gaining exp. This part they did not yet achieve. And due to this issue, they've been testing the updated exp through quests in the test servers. |
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10/21/09 7:45:28 AM#68
Originally posted by pencilrick
I wonder how much of this relates to Anime-ish type flying characters. Most Western players appear to be comfortable with "feet-on-the-ground" Tolkienesque-type characters. Some of these Eastern games are well-done, but a bit jarring, culturally-speaking. Were I to design an MMORPG, I think I would fit it to the market.
Just a guess, but I think the days of Tolken clones will be done for a while. Seems more and more are just over that genre. I know my friends and I are. Playing Fallen Earth, will check out Star Terk, and waiting for World of Darkness. If I ever see a pixeled Elf or Dwarf again it will be to soon. |
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10/21/09 7:54:30 AM#69
I stopped playing Aion for a few reasons.
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10/21/09 8:03:35 AM#70
I guess the server I am on, Ariel is a fluke then? At 2 AM, I log in and get placed in channel 3 because #1 & #2 are full. At primetime, I often get put in channel 4 or five. There are tons of folks running around, and the gold spam has all but stopped. I am seeing less farm bots too. 50% loss could be because the bots are being reigned in and banned. As late as a few days ago, I would have to take about 3 minutes after logging on to black the spammers. Today, I blocked one. Just one. To be sure, the newness is wearing off and there will be a loss of players as the billing cycle comes around. That is normal. However, the sky is not falling in Aion. |
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10/21/09 8:11:44 AM#71
I'm following one of these common "will you subscribe?"-polls in another Aion community-forum. The longer the poll runs, the more the option "i will give it 1 month" climbs. As of now, it went up from about 20% to 40%+.That 1 month is almost done and i can imagine very well that this 40% may somehow show up in retention, now that these days more and more players reach the 30s and hit the grindwall. Of course one has to keep in mind that the users of any forums are only a small part of the overall playerbase and may not represent the majority. NCSoft didn't do enough to adjust the game to the western market...but i also think that they didn't aim for more than about 300k-350k over here and planned to keep the heavy focus on the asian market anyway. |
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10/21/09 8:13:12 AM#72
It's amazing how on these boards you can post the most ridiculous made-up crap and instead of questioning the veracity of the information people will instantly argue against it. What are the ranges for low,.recommended and full? Is 'recommended' good or bad?
7AM EST - Oceanic server (it's primetime for them) is full, all others recommended. We can post these all day, but without knowing what range recommended is, there's no way to form any realistic assessment of concurrent users. Is Low under 100? Under 500? Under 1000? Is Full at 1000? 2000? 3000? Of course this will prompt troll math so expect a post soon where someone picks their favorite fictional number and formulates their server pop figures from it.
But, seriously, people really need to consider the source or at least question the veracity of a statement before arguing for or against it.
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DuraheLL
 Novice Member
Joined: 12/14/05
** Ooh theeres aaa monkey in my pocket and hes stealing all my change ** |
10/21/09 8:14:43 AM#73
nice. then I dont have to sit in queues and maby there wont be so much BS in the chats
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10/21/09 8:20:12 AM#74
Doesn't surprise me. This is why I didn't buy Aion. You guys should try Chronicles of Spellborn, it went F2P because of bad advertising and the zones are beautiful! Please do not hype any gam.. oh wait, nevermind... forgot what forum I was on. |
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10/21/09 8:22:39 AM#75
Originally posted by Zorndorf
The game came now under 10K coming from 12K at the first full weekend ... (substracting the 5K fixed oversampling) that would mean a loss of 2 K Xfire players on 7 K real samples.
The only person fixing numbers is you Zorny. |
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