I was playing last night, minding my own business as I usually do when I noticed a couple players in my clan chat talking about Chip and Material sellers.  Apparently a number of members in my clan wanted material and chip sellers in the game so they can zip through to the End Game.

Now me personally, I don't like that, I didn't like that, and basically started asking them questions like why they would want to zip through 75% of the content straight to the end.  Apparently they just wanted end game PvP, instant gratification, nomatter the cost, as long as they didn't have to play through the "boring" missions, or salvage Mats, etc. etc.

They were real dicks about it,  dunno why I'm still in that clan anyways, obviously theres a good majority of players in my clan who felt the same way,  but I wanted to ask the question to you MMORPGers out there and see what your takes on it are.   How do you play?  Rush to the end? Play through the content?  Pros? Cons?

I never understood people who want to just rush through the end and skip 90% of the game they are paying for in the first place. If all they want to do is pvp in an fps environment and forget all the rpg elements, why dont they just go and play any one of the thousands of great fps games out there.

Me personally I am never in a rush. I like to take my time, to explore, to work on my character. Sadly most of the new MMO's such as WoW, Aion and several others do not really offer any sort of reward or any reason to do anything but rush to the end. I miss the days of old UO and SWG pre-cu where you did not feel rushed, and it was more about the journey than the ending.

I also look at it on the fact that I am paying $15 per month to play the game, and in that I want to experience all the game has to offer me and not simply rush to the end.

I can say that those wishing to get to the endgame and not do anything else, will most likely quit soon after they get there, or will troll the forums about how quickly they got there and how there is nothing more to do.

I tend to take the RPG portion of MMORPG to heart.   I want to play a character.  PvP in an RPG usually doesn’t excite me.  If I want to PvP, I find the straight-up shooters more entertaining.

I’m not a quest-monkey, but I do want to see the content I paid for.  Why would someone spend the time and money on a game ( especially one with a monthly subscription )  if they just want to jump straight to PvP, which will undoubtedly disappoint any hardcore PvPer?  That’s one I can’t answer.

I don’t fault anyone who does want to throw away their money and zip past the content, but I don’t think game developers should create any shortcuts.
 

 I'm glad to see I'm not alone.  From what they told me, they were obviously more hardcore then me, and they didn't want to play a FPS because you can't customize your character in a FPS.    Whatever their reasoning for doing it, it just didn't make sense to me, obviously because I'm so far the other way that rushing through the game barely knowing your character just didn't sound right.

Luckily  there doesn't seem to be an easy mode in FE, to just skip to the end, or Power Level.... as far as I know. I hope it stays that way.

I have to admit this is the first MMORPG I have played (one of many) where I don't feel rushed to get to the end game. Maybe it's because I don't have friends waiting for me or maybe I can do all the fun stuff that I want right now, no matter what level I am. The perfect example would be a mount at level 4. I was stunned to see myself riding a horse at considerably low level, but I love every minute of it. Further more, I can craft hours and hours and not feel the need to get to a higher level first, because those needed mats are just out of reach. Plus, crafting gives you experience, so you're leveling anyway. That's one thing I love about FE; you can be having fun, just exploring and gathering materials, but you will still gain experience and level up.

I don't feel any sort of force pushing me to grind and quest like a mad man to level up as fast as I can. I can just do what I want and I get rewarded for it. It's a good feeling. Still crossing my fingers though, because that MMO-boredom could strike at any minute like it did with all the previous MMORPG's I played. I'm just hoping it could skip this game, because I'm loving it so far.

This games doesn't seem like a "rush to the end"  type of game.    And besides, I think it'd be pretty lonely out there in Sector 4, considering it seems still most of the population is still in Embry Cross Roads (Sector 1)

If people want to power through, that's all fine I guess.   There are those that have to be first in everything.. (or ruin everything, depending how you look at it) ...

If that clan doesn't mesh with your enjoyment of the game, best suggestion is to find a new home!
Then again, it seems like there are a lot of trouble / bad clans in the game from what people are telling me...

Originally posted by Michiel

I have to admit this is the first MMORPG I have played (one of many) where I don't feel rushed to get to the end game. Maybe it's because I don't have friends waiting for me or maybe I can do all the fun stuff that I want right now, no matter what level I am. The perfect example would be a mount at level 4. I was stunned to see myself riding a horse at considerably low level, but I love every minute of it. Further more, I can craft hours and hours and not feel the need to get to a higher level first, because those needed mats are just out of reach. Plus, crafting gives you experience, so you're leveling anyway. That's one thing I love about FE; you can be having fun, just exploring and gathering materials, but you will still gain experience and level up.

I don't feel any sort of force pushing me to grind and quest like a mad man to level up as fast as I can. I can just do what I want and I get rewarded for it. It's a good feeling. Still crossing my fingers though, because that MMO-boredom could strike at any minute like it did with all the previous MMORPG's I played. I'm just hoping it could skip this game, because I'm loving it so far.

I feel the same way. I've been too busy crafting, exploring, and yes, sometimes even questing, to even look at my exp. bar. I've never really gotten the same feeling from an MMO that I've got from this one. Normally, I'm trying to powerlevel like a madman. Anyway, I'm worried about MMO boredom setting in too (since I've had MMORPG-ADHD for the last couple years), but if they keep perpetually adding more areas to explore, and improve PvP I'm not sure why I'd want to leave FE at this point.

I'm not in a rush.

I'm also not in a rush. However having said that I can quite understand why someone would want to skip through all the quests and crafting and go straight to the PvP aspect of the game. Lets face it once you've done one quest you've done them all. I'm quite enjoying it all myself but at the same time I'm well aware that its all the same old bollocks. It doesnt take much to see right through it all.

Gather materials together. Click create. Repeat repeat reapeat. Ding I'm a level 30 armour crafter. I can make the next jacket in the line. Collect the materials together. Click create. Repeat repeat repeat. Ding I'm a level 50 armour crafter. I can make the next jacket in the line. Collect the materials together. Click create. Repeat repeat repeat. Ding I'm a level 70 armour crafter. I can make the next jacket in the line.

The questing follows a similar pattern too......although the stories are quite well written.....for an mmo. They're still just stories though. So once you've seen some of it, you know that the rest is just gonna be more of the same. Go and kill 10 of those guys stood on the hill. Go and kill that individual guy stood in a ravine. Go and stand there and get attacked by 3 waves of 2 guys. Go and harvest some vegetables. Go and make me some shirts. Go and deliver this for me. I can perfectly understand why someone might view all of that as a form of repetitive strain injury and would want to skip all of it so they can get down to fighting human opponents instead.

Like I said though I'm quite liking the game and I'm not in any rush. Thats because I'm addicted to repetitive MMO's and have a high tolerance for such activities. I can however see the other side of the coin. You might not understand why people would pay a monthly fee and then ignore the games "content" and play against other people instead, but then they probably dont understand why you pay a monthly fee to play against the computer which you can do in a single player game for free......and they are generally better quality games than mmos too. Its all relative.

No rush here either.

I am naturally a slow leveler by choice in any mmorpg that comes my way.

Not only that I'm not in any rush but I also try not to worry much about how other people play their games.

If some young kid decides to blow his student loan on ingame currency wtf has that got to do with me?

As long as it's not my kid lol.

I know that in a PVP game exploits, RMT and similar stuff should concern me a little bit, but meh, I'm getting too old to worry about it, someone has an edge  on me in PVP because he used  exploits or cheats you say?

Big deal.

Video game heh.

Originally posted by maskedweasel

 I'm glad to see I'm not alone.  From what they told me, they were obviously more hardcore then me, and they didn't want to play a FPS because you can't customize your character in a FPS.    Whatever their reasoning for doing it, it just didn't make sense to me, obviously because I'm so far the other way that rushing through the game barely knowing your character just didn't sound right.

 

Luckily  there doesn't seem to be an easy mode in FE, to just skip to the end, or Power Level.... as far as I know. I hope it stays that way.

In my opinion, they're a bunch of pansies. Who could honestly argue to be a hardcore player if they are too lazy to actually work for their achievements?

Originally posted by maskedweasel

 I'm glad to see I'm not alone.  From what they told me, they were obviously more hardcore then me, and they didn't want to play a FPS because you can't customize your character in a FPS.    Whatever their reasoning for doing it, it just didn't make sense to me, obviously because I'm so far the other way that rushing through the game barely knowing your character just didn't sound right.

 

Luckily  there doesn't seem to be an easy mode in FE, to just skip to the end, or Power Level.... as far as I know. I hope it stays that way.

Your definately not alone in your thinking, and I agree with you on not wanting chip/material sellers. Of course I'm one of the people who played my first 2 weeks and never left the area around Clinton FARM because I was 'still exploring'. Hell I still have to force myself to remember I have a quest log with things I could be doing when I play. FE has the ability to cater to so many different styles of play, from the crafter/collector, the explorer, the quester, the hunter/grinder, the PvPer, and yes the end game/hardcore (LOL) players. Sorry I had to laugh there, the idea that your more hardcore than someone else in a game because you only want to play the end of the game...well all that means is you suck at the rest of it IMO. A world like FE offers so much it's just sad to see some that want to miss it all.

It's The Journey, Not The Destination.
A common cliche, but a true one. Something lost on many an MMO gamer, even myself sometimes!
FE, as suggested in above posts, is a game that should be savoured not rushed.

Your clan mates are playing the wrong game, they should get Call of Duty or Battlefield if they want instant action. .
What they are doing playing an MMO is beyond me. Lazy so and so's.

Quite a few PvPers buy gold. That doesn't shock me one bit. In fact PvPers are more likely to buy gold than the rest of population. When your main goal is ownage and epeen, you can't be bothered with boring crap like exploring and experiencing all the content. You need the extra gold to feed your PvP habit and get the gear you need to compete right now.

Originally posted by Haggis13

Originally posted by maskedweasel

 I'm glad to see I'm not alone.  From what they told me, they were obviously more hardcore then me, and they didn't want to play a FPS because you can't customize your character in a FPS.    Whatever their reasoning for doing it, it just didn't make sense to me, obviously because I'm so far the other way that rushing through the game barely knowing your character just didn't sound right.

 

Luckily  there doesn't seem to be an easy mode in FE, to just skip to the end, or Power Level.... as far as I know. I hope it stays that way.

 

In my opinion, they're a bunch of pansies. Who could honestly argue to be a hardcore player if they are too lazy to actually work for their achievements?

No-one is argueing about being a hardcore player though. You're the first one to mention it. When did they say "Yeah we're hardcore cos we can rush to the end"? Never, thats when. You've just invented an image of them in your head and decided that its an accurate portrayal of who they are when it isnt.

Also whats laziness got to do with it? Whether they sit there for weeks clicking buttons to watch numbers go up on their character sheet or sit their for weeks to watch their human controlled opponents die its all the same thing. Its all just time wasting entertainment. So they want to skip all the grinding and the quests. Whats wrong with that? In your opinion they're a bunch of pansies? What for not wanting to play against the computer with its simplistic AI and do all the repetitive quests and crafting? Yeah you're really hardcore arent you for putting yourself through all of that lol. Its a good thing your opinion of them is irrelevant. They dont care what you think of them because they're enjoying the game in the way they choose to.

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Haggis13

Originally posted by maskedweasel

 I'm glad to see I'm not alone.  From what they told me, they were obviously more hardcore then me, and they didn't want to play a FPS because you can't customize your character in a FPS.    Whatever their reasoning for doing it, it just didn't make sense to me, obviously because I'm so far the other way that rushing through the game barely knowing your character just didn't sound right.

 

Luckily  there doesn't seem to be an easy mode in FE, to just skip to the end, or Power Level.... as far as I know. I hope it stays that way.

 

In my opinion, they're a bunch of pansies. Who could honestly argue to be a hardcore player if they are too lazy to actually work for their achievements?

 

No-one is argueing about being a hardcore player though. You're the first one to mention it. When did they say "Yeah we're hardcore cos we can rush to the end"? Never, thats when. You've just invented an image of them in your head and decided that its an accurate portrayal of who they are when it isnt.

Also whats laziness got to do with it? Whether they sit there for weeks clicking buttons to watch numbers go up on their character sheet or sit their for weeks to watch their human controlled opponents die its all the same thing. Its all just time wasting entertainment. So they want to skip all the grinding and the quests. Whats wrong with that? In your opinion they're a bunch of pansies? What for not wanting to play against the computer with its simplistic AI and do all the repetitive quests and crafting? Yeah you're really hardcore arent you for putting yourself through all of that lol. Its a good thing your opinion of them is irrelevant. They dont care what you think of them because they're enjoying the game in the way they choose to.

Dear me, I must've been SO mistaken! I cannot believe how I was so very blind to all those very intelligent insights you just gave me! Thank you so much for changing my entire perspective on this matter... nay, on Fallen Earth... nay, on MMOs in general... nay, on LIFE ITSELF! I shall go forth and propagate the newfound Neonwirism, shall I?

Originally posted by Haggis13

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Haggis13

Originally posted by maskedweasel

 I'm glad to see I'm not alone.  From what they told me, they were obviously more hardcore then me, and they didn't want to play a FPS because you can't customize your character in a FPS.    Whatever their reasoning for doing it, it just didn't make sense to me, obviously because I'm so far the other way that rushing through the game barely knowing your character just didn't sound right.

 

Luckily  there doesn't seem to be an easy mode in FE, to just skip to the end, or Power Level.... as far as I know. I hope it stays that way.

 

In my opinion, they're a bunch of pansies. Who could honestly argue to be a hardcore player if they are too lazy to actually work for their achievements?

 

No-one is argueing about being a hardcore player though. You're the first one to mention it. When did they say "Yeah we're hardcore cos we can rush to the end"? Never, thats when. You've just invented an image of them in your head and decided that its an accurate portrayal of who they are when it isnt.

Also whats laziness got to do with it? Whether they sit there for weeks clicking buttons to watch numbers go up on their character sheet or sit their for weeks to watch their human controlled opponents die its all the same thing. Its all just time wasting entertainment. So they want to skip all the grinding and the quests. Whats wrong with that? In your opinion they're a bunch of pansies? What for not wanting to play against the computer with its simplistic AI and do all the repetitive quests and crafting? Yeah you're really hardcore arent you for putting yourself through all of that lol. Its a good thing your opinion of them is irrelevant. They dont care what you think of them because they're enjoying the game in the way they choose to.

 

Dear me, I must've been SO mistaken! I cannot believe how I was so very blind to all those very intelligent insights you just gave me! Thank you so much for changing my entire perspective on this matter... nay, on Fallen Earth... nay, on MMOs in general... nay, on LIFE ITSELF! I shall go forth and propagate the newfound Neonwirism, shall I?

Its an honour to be of service

I mean, if a new MMORPG get's released and people want to become the first max level player, then I can somehow relate to that, though I wouldn't do it myself.

But else?
Rushing through MMORPGs doesn't make much sense. If the MMORPG is rather new you won't find people to group with / play against on the max level. You will miss tons of content, quests and whatnot. I don't see why people should do that.

I play FE now for about 3 weeks, got a lvl 19 and a lvl 6 charakter, and I'm having fun. I got two full more sectors to explore, tons of content. I'm looking forward to that. :)

The reason PvPers like MMOs over standard FPSes (Call of Duty and such) is that they can get an advantage over everyone else in an MMO. It's all about having an unfair advantage over everyone in PvP, as it proves one's massive epeen to the world. When you're one of the the people who rushes to level 45, you're perpetually a step ahead of the vast majority of players at everything. I've already seen a couple geared 45s running around (showing off in noob towns). These guys are perfecting their gear  while the rest of us are still  levelling.

I think that's why these people are always bitching about more content and more end-game. They  have to make sure their items are better than everyone else's.

Originally posted by infofront

The reason PvPers like MMOs over standard FPSes (Call of Duty and such) is that they can get an advantage over everyone else in an MMO. It's all about having an unfair advantage over everyone in PvP, as it proves one's massive epeen to the world. When you're one of the the people who rushes to level 45, you're perpetually a step ahead of the vast majority of players at everything. I've already seen a couple geared 45s running around (showing off in noob towns). These guys are perfecting their gear  while the rest of us are still  levelling.

I think that's why these people are always bitching about more content and more end-game. They  have to make sure their items are better than everyone else's.

Yes I agree with this.

That's the psychology behind it allthough there are other reasons for that type of gaming and game choices of those "players", like playing in FOTM games and the ones that are most crowded because they get more exposure there even though they dont like the genre etc.

Originally posted by infofront

The reason PvPers like MMOs over standard FPSes (Call of Duty and such) is that they can get an advantage over everyone else in an MMO. It's all about having an unfair advantage over everyone in PvP, as it proves one's massive epeen to the world. When you're one of the the people who rushes to level 45, you're perpetually a step ahead of the vast majority of players at everything. I've already seen a couple geared 45s running around (showing off in noob towns). These guys are perfecting their gear  while the rest of us are still  levelling.

I think that's why these people are always bitching about more content and more end-game. They  have to make sure their items are better than everyone else's.

MMO's also offer more scope and variation than a standard FPS game. Some people prefer to play them because they get the player conflict that they could be getting in a standard FPS game, but they also get a large world to roam around in and hunt other players. It all takes place in a persistent world rather than being a load of unconnected seperate battles that have no bearing on anything. MMO's also offer more scope to customise your character which you dont get in normal FPS games. This is why many people prefer to use these games as their battlegrounds rather than standard FPS games. You can whine and moan about e-peen waving if you like but then you could just as well accuse anyone who makes/buys a powerful piece of armour/weapon and equips it. Oh gosh who do they think they are?! Strutting around showing off their gear! How dare they rub it in the faces of people who have weaker characters! Shame on them for having higher level characters with better stuff! The scum!

Also the fact that a level 45 player can wander back to a starting town completely invalidates peoples claims that they are "skipping 90% of the content". The content doesnt disappear simply because they are high level. They can go back and do it any time they like. The fact of the matter is that they CHOOSE not to do so because they know its irrelevant. You could throw the same "your skipping 90% of the content" accusation at people who choose to play the game without doing quests. All that "content" is literally just a collection of text files. Its nothing more than that. You're kidding yourself if you think its something deeper.......not that there's anything wrong with kidding yourself mind you. We're all free to waste our time however we choose in these games.......a fact you seem to be overlooking.

I think people who get irritated by high level players who have rushed to the end do so because those players are a constant reminder of how pointless the games "content" actually is (pointless doesnt neccessarily = unenjoyable or bad by the way). People who want to feel immersed in the game world dont like to be reminded that all of their "hard work" (lol) is completely futile. When you're roaming through the wilderness harvesting vegetables and fighting coyotes for their scraps of leather so that you can eventually save up enough to make yourself a new pair of trousers, I'm sure it can be a real slap in the face when a max level player strolls by wearing all of the gear that you are eventually looking forward to having.....and knowing that they got all of it with absolute minimum effort or time investment. The swine! How dare they cheapen your experience of the game! Its a reminder that you are not unique in any way at all and that in fact you are just a drone (or a clone) plodding along through the pre-planned content just like everyone else. On that matter you could actually have all the stuff they have so I dont see why its a problem for you. Afterall everything in the game is accessable to everyone equally. Besides do these high level players send you mocking messages about how superior their gear is? No I didnt think so. You're perception of e-peen waving is simply in your head and probably stems from jealosy because you would like to be e-peen waving yourself. You shouldnt judge others by your own standards.

Basicly Fallen Earth is an open-ended level based themepark game and as such all of its quests are not neccessary or required. They're optional. As such there is no reason to complain about how people choose to play the game as it has no real impact on your experience of it. If a person wants to rush to max level and then freely roam around the entire game world at their leisure wiping the floor with lower level mobs and players then there is nothing wrong with that. The lower level players can bitch and moan about how unfair it is while they slowly plod their way through the game but thats their problem. Icarus chose to make a game with levels in it and then introduced PvP.......so naturally people are gonna want to be max level so their characters are more powerful. Its a sensible thing to do in a level based game. Everyone strives for perfection just as they do in real life. However in MMO's like this one perfection is measured by numbers on a character sheet as well as player skill so its normal to try and gain any advantage you can get. Why would you choose to deliberately make your character worse than everyone else?

 Its not the irritation of high level players to me, its the fact that these players are willing to allow gold sellers, and power levelers run the economy for them instead of allowing the economy to progress in game which ultimately will kill the game.   The problem with the members in my clan was simply that they thought that it made them better then everyone else that they could get the max level stuff, become max level, and not spend any time doing it.  

What it turned into was an argument of skill.  They felt that after playing however many MMOs they've played in the past, that all that matters in the end is the size of their skill bars and how many players they can kill with their  leet skills.  One player told me straight up that he was better then me because his skill bar was maxed out and I "probably didn't use a majority" of my skills.  

This brings to the point what someone said earlier in that these particular clan mates rush to end game content first so that they can spend their time trying to edge out all the other players.  They obviously would get there by any means, and would pay outside goldsellers and material sellers so that they could achieve that goal.  Then they sit around and talk about how much more skill they have at playing the game that they don't need the content and they'll own in PvP everytime.  Thats the reason they aren't playing FPS's as was said before, they just want the edge on any players that don't stoop to paying someone else to level their character.

I'm taking my time, not focusing on level progress but going to all the towns, reading their quests, learning their stories.

It's more rewarding to me that way, as I tend to enjoy reading well-written lore and getting to know the world I'm spending time in. See, in MMOs, the gameworld is the whole point to me, I enjoy finding out new things about it and watch its stories revealed step by step. The thing with LifeNet vs TETRAX seems quite intriguing, for example. Yeah, I am glad that doing extra towns awards you with some extra AP, but that's not of vital importance to me: If I thought it was boring, I would never go from starter town to starter town and rush through the quests not reading what they're about, to just get those extra APs.

I'm thinking this game would be a real bore and even a grind to play that way. Thank Jabber I'm not an "achiever" type of gamer.

Its been since Asheron's Call that I have been able to play a MMOG as an explorer. All the newer games have been designed purely around acheivement. I think there are a lot of gamers that aren't able to break the habit.