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Originally posted by Player_420
Anyone who still says Epic *fill in the blank* cant be taken seriously. When I said i had "time", i meant virtual time, i got no RL "time" for you. |
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Originally posted by Channce
Anyone who still says Epic *fill in the blank* cant be taken seriously.
Moreover, your one line response to a perfectly acceptable statement (though not put in the best way) really puts merit to your words. Pot... meet... Kettle.
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Scalebane
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Joined: 10/28/06
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Originally posted by Player_420
you have a lot of anger over a video game, was just a bit concerned for your health.
We are all ignorant until truth is revealed to us.. However.. How do we know the truth is not in fact a lie.. "When a man has lost everything, he may despair and die. He might give his soul to the fate's... or, he can resolve to take action." "The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." |
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I don't understand what people find so crazy cool sooper interesting about Aion? Ganking people in the Abyss? If you find it very fun PvP - it will grow old on you very soon. Game is beatiful, yes its fine. Not the best I've seen, especially the landscape made to cartoonish sorta shaders. So you level, do repetitive quests like in any other MMO. If you ask me, even though I hate WoW - at least WoW has an atmosphere, the world even though I hate it all cartoonish there is some kind of life going on. Aion is all about stationary NPCs, repetitive quests, and PvP gankage. What all this hype was about I've no idea. I am lvl 29 and I am almost burnt out of this already. If I am not in group ganking Elyos' or doing Rift raid - game is quite boring. |
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Originally posted by solareus
LOL! I saw that screen shot and thought," WTH ! The graphics look TERRIBLE!! It looks like the grass in my 1999 MMO!!".
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I just wanted to add this to the discussion since it seems relevant to me. On this site, the players generally give games a high score when a game is first presented and then they tend to fall over time. I believe this happens because the hype of the game is so enormous and people only have very limited experience actually playing the game.
Here is what the players feel on this site about the game.
Lord of the Rings Onli 8.38
This puts Aion, a very new game, at number 20 on this site according to the players. Of course this is no way to judge any of these games on this list, but there is an absolutely enormous gap between what the reviewer thinks (#1) and what the players think (#20). I doubt any other game possesses a margin of 19 spots between where the players rate a game and where the official review sits.
On a side note, Metacritic, a site that takes a ton of different reviews and averages them together came up with 8.1. This is surprisingly close to what the players rated this game at on this site. |
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Originally posted by silkakc
LOL! I saw that screen shot and thought," WTH ! The graphics look TERRIBLE!! It looks like the grass in my 1999 MMO!!".
bah, that's like saying "I have a beautiful girlfriend" and then showing people the picture of her just waking up. The devs have stated that part of their art design had to take into accuont that many pc's just can't run ultra high graphics so they struck a happy medium they thought would work. They have also said that they were considering putting out a high resolution texture pack for pc's that could go higher. as far as the shot above, I don't know where that is but it does seem (operative word "seem") that there are some things toned down. I don't see any ground cover for instance. I would never say that Aion when looked at up close had a lot of detail in the environments but there is more to it than that. It's like a painting, you just don't get up close to look at it. You have to find the proper distance so that the artist's work can be seen correctly. In any case there is some ground detail that helps to bring the world to life. We will have to wait and see if they put out the high res texture pack.
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Originally posted by Sovrath
bah, that's like saying "I have a beautiful girlfriend" and then showing people the picture of her just waking up. The devs have stated that part of their art design had to take into accuont that many pc's just can't run ultra high graphics so they struck a happy medium they thought would work. They have also said that they were considering putting out a high resolution texture pack for pc's that could go higher. as far as the shot above, I don't know where that is but it does seem (operative word "seem") that there are some things toned down. I don't see any ground cover for instance. I would never say that Aion when looked at up close had a lot of detail in the environments but there is more to it than that. It's like a painting, you just don't get up close to look at it. You have to find the proper distance so that the artist's work can be seen correctly. In any case there is some ground detail that helps to bring the world to life. We will have to wait and see if they put out the high res texture pack.
I'll own you with one picture, Aion is full of those and they look horrible, they also said they won't fix the ugly textures:
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Originally posted by bastii
Yes that is true, they did say that they, to paraphrase, "they had other things on their plate than to change textures". However this is still the chance of a high rez texture pack. No guarantees of course but it was mentioned in an interview in response to a question. I suppose my point being is that there is alot good and bad but that in the end it's the art design that will carry Aion over high graphic quality. Again, part of that is to accomodate low end computers and in some areas, to allow for a great many players. From my limited siege experience I have to say that there are some impressive numbers to be had on both sides. I know that some people are getting a crash bug, but as far as performance, given the sheer numbers, I am rather impressed. You just aren't going to find that in some other games where there are limits on how many can be in a combat area.
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Very nice review. You touched on things I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere. I agree with a lot you said about Aion, it's a really nice game overall. |
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I think it quite likely that the environment texture issue in Aion will get addressed. And that is a bad reflection on what their priorities are. The game already looks great, a texture upgrade is hardly needed, but players and MMO’s are obsessed with graphics. The paucity of non standard quests and the random middle level pvp are far bigger issues, just look at the posts on them. But yes, quite likely a texture patch will be seen as a priority! |
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Everyone complaining about graphics needs to remember the fact that part of the reason some other MMOs that claimed they would be WoW killers flopped (besides sucking) was because the graphics requirements were too high for most computers, so a lot of people couldn't run them, losing a lot of potential customers. The casual gamer doesn't make sure he always has a ton of ram, or the newest graphics card, but MMO companies still want to reach out to them, because they generate revenue, and stylized graphics and low system requirements are two such ways of accomplishing this. |
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Yeah #20 for Aion is about right. I would put Atlantica Online somewhere same with Runes of Magic - in the end of the list. While AO has some nice innovations like mercenaries and tactical combat system - the game still remains grind after all. Have to agree though that its better than Runes of Magic. Played almost all the games in the list and this is about right where they should be on the list. I was actually stupid enough to subscribe to Aion for a year. Yeah I got a better deal, cheaper monthly sub overall but I am already struggling to stay in the game for longer than 1 hour. Aion does have some nice landscapes and if you turn it all up and add some x4 Antialiasing - in some places game is quite pretty. But its all about the taste. I personally like landscapes graphics in say Risen or LOTRO much better. They look realistic comparing to cartoonish WoW style of Aion landscapes. Then again some people they are not that picky. Its enough for them to have some pretty flowers here and there and green trees with blue water to make all the difference. I am one of the picky ones and landscape graphics throw me off in Aion. I am trying to ignore it though but some unpolished places like couple of pictures that other people posted they are really ugly. Overall game is ok, but Aion still has a lot of issues to treat it as a good game overall. Trust me after you get to 50 - there will be little left to say positive about the game. Grind, lack of GM in game support, channels are all full of goldseller adds, goldsellers sit in Pondemonium - central city of Aion on scripted personal houses and nobody does ANYTHING about that. Daily messages about hacked web sites and stolen accounts - this all just serves as a huge discouragement. I am waiting for games to come out for Xbox 360 and PS3. That will be so much more fun than boring Aion. Too much hype and simply very little result. I don't give Aion much chance. As more people will hit 25 as more of them realize that Aion is just another Asian grind cookie cutter nothing special and in some places ugly and poorly supported game. And then like in puff of smoke Aion will become one of the games that will be talked about as didn't hold up to expectations. This article sounds like either the writer didn't play the game long enough to see the boring and ugly side of the game or he just likes the whole concept and excited about the Aion like some other people. This game didn't really do it for me. I still consider LOTRO - the best MMORPG out there and I don't really care about what WoW, WAR or Aion can offer for PvP as RvR or PvPvE or whatever. |
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I've played several characters up to level 12-14 so far and even though I really wanted to like Aion, I just got bored after awhile, I know some people would say , " Yeah but you have play to X level before it gets good etc" but if a game has'nt hooked me in in some way after 10 to 15 levels well I dont think it ever will. That being said I do hope Aion is a succes and maybe I'll jump back in at some point to give it another shot when I dont have anything else to play. I dont really disaggree with the score really, because I know tons of peeps will love Aion, guess its just not for me is all . |
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Originally posted by summitus
I agree that if a MMO has not hooked you into playing it in the first fifteen or twenty levels then it is not a MMO for you. Currently playing: Aion Played: L2 RFO EvE R.O.S.E EQ2 HellGate:London TRIBES2 WOW WarHammer |
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Actually the most fun are first 20-25 levels. After that you get to grind a lot. So if game didn't do it for you during first 15 levels on multiple classes - it won't be any better later on. After 25 you can do Abyss PvP, but its all group based. Usually when people go to Abyss or Rift they go as raid and it all ends up raid versus 1, because thats the fastest way to kill. Thats how people usually farm Abyss points. There are other things like fortresses and artifacts. But those are really big scale PvP battles. It still ends up being raid versus 1. A lot of deaths out there and lag because there are hundreds of people fighting against each other, just a crazy chaos. It may be fun for a while. But its not thought through content. So it just ends up as a mass PvP slaughter. There are some siege weapons, you have to buy them I think for a lot of money, then attack fortress and go in and kill people inside. But again, I tell you that its just not working the way devs thought it will. Its not DaOC. Also little by little people will drop off, cause game is hardly fun after 25. It is fun for a few more levels but after that you realize that all you have in this game is grind and PvP. When SWTOR is out this game will most likely die. |
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Originally posted by reanor
Granted at tewenty-nine the group aspect does kick in big time but at that level you have Eracus Temple, at thirty to thirty-five there is the Fire Temple, at thirty-five to forty there is the Aether lab. In the forties i'm sure there are two or three instance just to play in that level and when you reach near forty-five to fifty there are the Dark Poeta and dregion instances as well as the upper abyss fortresses with their instances too. There are the crafting recipes that you get from them also. Can't deny that there is a grind after level thrity, but it's not that bad, it follows what most MMO's do when your nearing end game level. Currently playing: Aion Played: L2 RFO EvE R.O.S.E EQ2 HellGate:London TRIBES2 WOW WarHammer |
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Originally posted by colddog
Your kidding right? Let me guess some WoW person wrote this. Really? Runes of Magic and Ryzom...more importantly Requiem? The same Requiem that got horrible reviews? 6.5 at N4G, 6.2 Gamespot, Gamezone 6.5, PC Gamer 70....Give me a break. What "players" made this decision? What is the source for these review scores you posted?
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Originally posted by mmaize
Your kidding right? Let me guess some WoW person wrote this. Really? Runes of Magic and Ryzom...more importantly Requiem? The same Requiem that got horrible reviews? 6.5 at N4G, 6.2 Gamespot, Gamezone 6.5, PC Gamer 70....Give me a break. What "players" made this decision? What is the source for these review scores you posted? This is why you guys aren't reviewers. And he posted about the USER ratings. Not official ones. The users of Requiem, must like requiem. That's why it's rated so high. THAT'S why they play the game! you're hilarious.
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1 instance for every 5 levels... And you're saying thats fun? :) Come on... Asian developers - nothing else needs to be added. I wish Aion was developed by Turbine or Bioware. Game would be so MUCH more fun... Game even has a FEEL of Asian grind fest. I don't know what is it about Asian games. Its like they have very little creativity. /sarcasm on /sarcasm off |
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Actually...let me do better than that. Boomtown 10/14/09 Review 8 out of 10
I could go all day. The overall point here is out of all the reviews I've looked at (which is alot more than what's even posted here) 1UP gave it a "C".
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Originally posted by Vexe This is why you guys aren't reviewers. And he posted about the USER ratings. Not official ones. The users of Requiem, must like requiem. That's why it's rated so high. THAT'S why they play the game! you're hilarious.
No you're hilarious. I asked where the "users" scores came from? Did they come from a review? Did he go through each games forums and do a poll? Where did the information come from?
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Originally posted by reanor
Can you name several games that had more before their first expansion? Seems to me that I can't recall a game that had more per level or 2? |
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Originally posted by Sovrath
1 instance for every 5 levels... And you're saying thats fun? :) Come on... Asian developers - nothing else needs to be added.
Can you name several games that had more before their first expansion? Seems to me that I can't recall a game that had more per level or 2?
You raise a good point but then so does the poster that you are replying to. On one hand I can't recall too many games that had a ton of instances before they put out an expansion. On the other hand you would expect more from a game that is competing in today's environment. I'd expect a new game coming into the scene to already have thought ahead and created several instances even before their first expansion.
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really ?
