Originally posted by Quailman

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Quailman

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

[quote][i]Originally posted by StrixMaxima[/i] Thus, I don't think we can use factors such as "indie" and "niche" as excuses for the game's shortcomings. Specially when more tangible reasons are much easier to spot and less arcane to identify, such as bad business practices, excessive hype leading to overblown expectations and overly simplistic, outdated and unappealing core systems. [/quote]  

We con use factors like the game is no insta gratification, it requires nerves out steel , neverending patience and a lot of effort to complete something and thous rewarding the braves, the hardworking, the badass. We all know thats a minority and the main stream and majority are soft. Softies core mechanics would be easy travel, consensual PvP , levels above head / classes / caps what translates to 'i want to know what your streghts and weapons using so if  i am the higher level/ counter / to you i will pawn you else i don't agree on a duel',a reward for any action .

The core mechanics of darkfall don't support Softies way , it is for a dedicated small playerbase.

 

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You should try playing this game called Real Life. The world is huge with a massive population, and in PvP there's full loot AND permadeath! Now THAT'S hardcore!

 

i dont think its fair to violate the frame of  these discussion is taking place. We still in a games forum and not in afghanistan to defuse bombs. I know and understand what you saying. It is just not fair to use it especially and exclusively on me, what about you for example, why not you out there somewhere in the world defuse mine fields and be a hero ?

 

Because i never claimed to be hardcore, or better than anyone (which is what a lot of your posts imply). I think people might tolerate you a little more if you stopped acting superior to everyone. It's a bit hard to take someone seriously when they think too seriously about themselves, or some game. Whatever, just sayin.

 

(Yea yea, late post, don't care.)

Diverse people should then stop accuse Darkfall's gamemechanics if they aren't able to master them. The niche target playerbase is willing to use these gamemechanics and welcome's its rules.

The other guy making the quit topic today , pretty much demonstates my point btw. He is a quitter, because he loosed too much to vet players in the first 2 weeks and got attacked everywhere.  Same time i know players with patience and nerves out steel who joined late the game and  still play.   Obviously there are those who can stand the heat and others who don't.

Originally posted by lisubab

Originally posted by Polarisation

Originally posted by kokopuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WMGUJ9kELU

 

And there are several other videos out there showing easily hundreds of players fighting. I have heard and read many conflicting things both good and bad about Darkfall but its ability to host large scale battles is indisputable.

 

So, out of the blue, suddenly, miraculous, as a grace of god, a small indie inexperience development team with small budget, with trouble updating its web, with trouble avoiding double charging, with troubles fixing this and that, somehow, this company has a technology to host large scale battle that the multi-billion big companies cannot master?

What other fairy tales do you have?  Its bedtime for my kids.  I need some more.

The only fairy tale is to believe a "big company" would care about its game. Look at WAR, AoC, WoW.....there is a reason why thay are made it in the easiest way possible. Classes and levels in a static world.  Are you in the  belive that there is a technology question involved that decision????

Its because its easy. If Blizzard wanted to, there could be 400 vs 400 PvP battles in WoW to. But they choose to not do it.

I think this is one of the most important questions today. The question why we see MMOs decline so fast.

"How come DF have big scale PvP battles and not WoW??"  Most beople get angry with Aventurine for this, instead of Blizzard.

Originally posted by Squal'Zell

not impressed, ive seen more in SWG (pre-CU) and in eve online (current)

EvE at its lowest-peak time still surpasses Darkfail's current sub.

 Aventurine made a relatively small MMORPG that is not the for everyone,  we know that know, why the bashing, go bash something else... -.-'

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Quailman

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Quailman

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

[quote][i]Originally posted by StrixMaxima[/i] Thus, I don't think we can use factors such as "indie" and "niche" as excuses for the game's shortcomings. Specially when more tangible reasons are much easier to spot and less arcane to identify, such as bad business practices, excessive hype leading to overblown expectations and overly simplistic, outdated and unappealing core systems. [/quote]  

We con use factors like the game is no insta gratification, it requires nerves out steel , neverending patience and a lot of effort to complete something and thous rewarding the braves, the hardworking, the badass. We all know thats a minority and the main stream and majority are soft. Softies core mechanics would be easy travel, consensual PvP , levels above head / classes / caps what translates to 'i want to know what your streghts and weapons using so if  i am the higher level/ counter / to you i will pawn you else i don't agree on a duel',a reward for any action .

The core mechanics of darkfall don't support Softies way , it is for a dedicated small playerbase.

 

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You should try playing this game called Real Life. The world is huge with a massive population, and in PvP there's full loot AND permadeath! Now THAT'S hardcore!

 

i dont think its fair to violate the frame of  these discussion is taking place. We still in a games forum and not in afghanistan to defuse bombs. I know and understand what you saying. It is just not fair to use it especially and exclusively on me, what about you for example, why not you out there somewhere in the world defuse mine fields and be a hero ?

 

Because i never claimed to be hardcore, or better than anyone (which is what a lot of your posts imply). I think people might tolerate you a little more if you stopped acting superior to everyone. It's a bit hard to take someone seriously when they think too seriously about themselves, or some game. Whatever, just sayin.

 

(Yea yea, late post, don't care.)

 

Diverse people should then stop accuse Darkfall's gamemechanics if they aren't able to master them. The niche target playerbase is willing to use these gamemechanics and welcome's its rules.

The other guy making the quit topic today , pretty much demonstates my point btw. He is a quitter, because he loosed too much to vet players in the first 2 weeks and got attacked everywhere.  Same time i know players with patience and nerves out steel who joined late the game and  still play.   Obviously there are those who can stand the heat and others who don't.

The game just wasn't for him obviously. No need to attack or belittle everyone that doesn't like it. You like the game, great, to each their own, but that doesn't make you better than anyone else. There's no need to get so riled up, because after all, it is just a game and you should play to have fun. Also, don't be so quick to jump on people for making suggestions about the game, a lot of people genuinely want to see improvement. I'm personally keeping an eye on upcoming patches in hopes that things get balanced out a little more and mechanics run a little smoother (my opinion of balance and game mechanics may differ from yours).

And for the people that come in just to trash the game and make no suggestions on improving it, why let them bother you and get so defensive? You're just falling into their trap, they like to see you squirm.

Ok, i'm stepping off my soapbox now.

Originally posted by rafikos

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by -Zeno-

Siege from yesterday.  This was one side.

 

PS - X-fire is crap.

Not to be harsh... but the title of your thread is incorrect.

 

Your title says "More players in this picture than on X-Fire total"

X-Fire for DarkFall has 77 users

The picture above has between 40-50 users... just saying. 

 

 

 

he said one side :)

The title says "in this picture"... The picture shows what it shows.

DF folks have now moved on to spinning screenshots as well?

Originally posted by metalhead980

I honeslty have nothing to say about the topic other than the people that flame Df for sub numbers are trolls since Df is a niche game.

Good grief is it possible for anyone to speak in defense of DF without spinning the situation completely out of context? Even once?

No one is "flaming DF for sub numbers". The so-called "haters" are calling out *people posting on forums* for insisting the sub numbers are higher than they are, showing screenshots or videos with maybe 50 people shown at any given time and claiming it's proof that "hundreds were there", or even "thousands" in a couple cases.

And even at that, so much attention wouldn't be given to sub numbers if the rabid DF fans weren't so persistent in trying to prove how great the game is doing over the past several months.

FFS... after all this time I would have thought at least some people here would have learned the difference between "bashing the game" and "challenging comments made about the game" - the two are *not* the same... no matter how much some try to spin it that way.

All you've done is air your own personal grudge for everyone to enjoy.

X-Fire apparently has enough users to warrant a store... and let's not forget they are owned by MTV networks now. Someone, somewhere, considered them a good business move.

From what I can tell, they have about the same amount of users as your average MMO.

"Wishes and whims are not facts, nor are they a means to discovering them."

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by metalhead980

I honeslty have nothing to say about the topic other than the people that flame Df for sub numbers are trolls since Df is a niche game.

Good grief is it possible for anyone to speak in defense of DF without spinning the situation completely out of context? Even once?

No one is "flaming DF for sub numbers". The so-called "haters" are calling out *people posting on forums* for insisting the sub numbers are higher than they are, showing screenshots or videos with maybe 50 people shown at any given time and claiming it's proof that "hundreds were there", or even "thousands" in a couple cases.

And even at that, so much attention wouldn't be given to sub numbers if the rabid DF fans weren't so persistent in trying to prove how great the game is doing over the past several months.

FFS... after all this time I would have thought at least some people here would have learned the difference between "bashing the game" and "challenging comments made about the game" - the two are *not* the same... no matter how much some try to spin it that way.

 

Can you please post a current screenshot of your favorite MMO showing at least the same amount of players like shown in screenshot provided by OP.

thanks

TO OP a bit late:

That screenshot is super cool. Wish I had the time to do real life and DF.

 This thead wins most painful Darkfall thread of the week award.

Come on fanboys... the game is niche. There is no point pretending there is loads of you playing. Especially, since half of you have blatently left because AVs well known poor reputation. Now ok there might be about 'six' of you left... but hell least you having a good time and staying out of my current MMO. All I can say is... good luck AV with making a profit out of your turd. Mind you they always have double charging to fall back on. ;)

Originally posted by daarco

Originally posted by lisubab

Originally posted by Polarisation

Originally posted by kokopuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WMGUJ9kELU

 

And there are several other videos out there showing easily hundreds of players fighting. I have heard and read many conflicting things both good and bad about Darkfall but its ability to host large scale battles is indisputable.

 

So, out of the blue, suddenly, miraculous, as a grace of god, a small indie inexperience development team with small budget, with trouble updating its web, with trouble avoiding double charging, with troubles fixing this and that, somehow, this company has a technology to host large scale battle that the multi-billion big companies cannot master?

What other fairy tales do you have?  Its bedtime for my kids.  I need some more.

 

The only fairy tale is to believe a "big company" would care about its game. Look at WAR, AoC, WoW.....there is a reason why thay are made it in the easiest way possible. Classes and levels in a static world.  Are you in the  belive that there is a technology question involved that decision????

Its because its easy. If Blizzard wanted to, there could be 400 vs 400 PvP battles in WoW to. But they choose to not do it.

I think this is one of the most important questions today. The question why we see MMOs decline so fast.

"How come DF have big scale PvP battles and not WoW??"  Most beople get angry with Aventurine for this, instead of Blizzard.

You really have a poor sense of management.  Is it necessary to adopt the most expensive, risky and least tried out technology, just to .. what?  Wave Epeen?  A game that allows 60000 x 60000 pvp is really a good game?  Try fill the ranks of 60000 before you start the pvp.

In the past WoW have 40man raid.  What happens?  Its damn hard to find 40 guys with the right amount of free time and willingness to go down to AQ and wipe for 10 hours.

Make it 5man or 10man runs, suddenly, its so much easier, comfortable.

WoW does not do what DF does, that is b/c it is not the way Blizz wants it done.  It is also technically tougher to implement all those graphics and other lovely bells and whistles in such a setting.  Add the compliexity of different hardware combo, bugs in drivers, ... .  That is good judgment, not hardcore softcore whatever bullshit terms you want to throw around pretending you yourself to be better or bigger.  At the end Blizz delivers the game people play and enjoy.  DF delivers a game people have to turn off all the effects just to play without zero fps or getting disconnected.

Is it a fairy tale that big companies care about their game?  I know for one fact that Blizz has a very high reputation among credit card operators, while AV is simply the top blacklisted company.  That tells the priority of the 2 companies.  That tells the company ethics.  There is no technology difficulties required to keep the website updated, to avoid double charging.  There is no difficulties being honest.  AV fails.  So if you want to talk about companies caring about their game, their business, use AV as a counter example, use DF as the example of total failure.

If you think MMO is declining very fast, go get help.  Or education.  The annual turnover of MMOs has already exceed hollywood.  It is growing by double digit annual, compound, forever.  It is growing despite the 2 economic downturns this decade.  No other business has that kind of growth.  The only thing declining is your ability to comprehend or face up to reality.

Oh yeah you can define anything with reference to yourself.  What you do not like is bad.  What you do not like is declining.  Surely, use your own language and talk to yourself.  You can define the sky as green in color, and leaves and trees to be purple in color.  That only changed the words used by you, that does not change the world.  Head in the sand?

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by WSIMike

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Can you please post a current screenshot of your favorite MMO showing at least the same amount of players like shown in screenshot provided by OP.

thanks

Anytime I log onto dalaran during evenings there are more people in every angle I can see, than shown in that pathetic little picture.

Whenever we have WG, there are more people outside VoA ready to zone in.  This does not include the people already zoned in.

Interesting fact, couple days ago, WoW announced their intention to reset the instance server.  Everyone in an instance need to zone out for a minute.  Suddenly hundreds are found outside every instance.  There are 10s of activelty played instance.  Everyone of them have hundreds of people waiting to reenter.

If you want to talk about number of players, use DF as an example of total failure.  Any dying game has more people playing.  EQ, FF, UO name any good old games.  They have far more people playing than DF, server for server.

Originally posted by lisubab

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by WSIMike

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Can you please post a current screenshot of your favorite MMO showing at least the same amount of players like shown in screenshot provided by OP.

thanks

 

Anytime I log onto dalaran during evenings there are more people in every angle I can see, than shown in that pathetic little picture.

Whenever we have WG, there are more people outside VoA ready to zone in.  This does not include the people already zoned in.

Interesting fact, couple days ago, WoW announced their intention to reset the instance server.  Everyone in an instance need to zone out for a minute.  Suddenly hundreds are found outside every instance.  There are 10s of activelty played instance.  Everyone of them have hundreds of people waiting to reenter.

If you want to talk about number of players, use DF as an example of total failure.  Any dying game has more people playing.  EQ, FF, UO name any good old games.  They have far more people playing than DF, server for server.

Sounds like you will have no problem to provide that required screenshot, so please ..lets have a look  on it..

This thread is stupid, even for the DF forums, and that's saying a lot.  Did someone, somewhere claim # of Xfire players = 100% of the pop?

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Originally posted by Darth_Osor

 

This thread is stupid, even for the DF forums, and that's saying a lot.  Did someone, somewhere claim # of Xfire players = 100% of the pop?

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The topic this thread is a reaction/reply to says :

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I laughed out loud. Darkfalls massively dead "by design".

 

XFIRE Score of Fail

 

78 people Woot thats the population that still plays Battlefield 2 modern combat for xbox 360.

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So yes, someone has brought up x-fire numbers and has put them as absolute.

I counted  41 people.

Originally posted by Fariic

I counted  41 people.

Ya sure it wasn't 42, it has to be 42!!

Originally posted by Respit

Originally posted by Fariic

I counted  41 people.

 

Ya sure it wasn't 42, it has to be 42!!

42 is the answer...someone must have miscounted, or this picture just isn't the right answer...

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

 

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Originally posted by Darth_Osor

 

This thread is stupid, even for the DF forums, and that's saying a lot.  Did someone, somewhere claim # of Xfire players = 100% of the pop?

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The topic this thread is a reaction/reply to says :

 

 

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I laughed out loud. Darkfalls massively dead "by design".

 

XFIRE Score of Fail

 

78 people Woot thats the population that still plays Battlefield 2 modern combat for xbox 360.

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So yes, someone has brought up x-fire numbers and has put them as absolute.

Someone remind me, because I am getting my super fans confused (and no, not meaning this as an attack), was it Darth or another that once tried to use x-fire numbers as a definitive defense for DFO numbers?
 

No, it was javac. His math skill was truly amazing

Why i should use x-fire numbers for anything. I support OP and these thread because it ridicules those numbers.

LoL almost half of x-fire totals are just in one DF screenshot showing a litle corner  of Agon's massive world (te other half can be almost smelled in the screenshot *chuckles*). LoL

ROFL

with a bit of organisation we can even beat the number and get more folks on a ss then on x-fire totals

ROFL

Darkfall has over 10 thousand concurrent players per game world, and the largest MMORPG battles ever - involving thousands.

If all the conclusive evidence presented so far in the form of the numerous screenshots, videos and player testimonials has not convinced you that this is in fact the case, then check the website if you don't believe me and Tasos, its on the official website so it must be true, as everything on the official website has always been true.

Remember Darkfall is also massive by design so it surely must likewise have a massive amount of players or that would be a serious design flaw, and the Darkfall developers are flawless as many of their friends have repeatedly been telling us for years, so it probably does.

And don't believe Xfire numbers they are lies and mean nothing unless they indicate a rise, optimistic anecdotal unsubstantiated subjective story's about rapidly growing and healthy server populations are all you need to pay attention to unless you are a troll hater.

Originally posted by Polarization

Darkfall has over 10 thousand concurrent players per game world, and the largest MMORPG battles ever - involving thousands.

If all the conclusive evidence presented so far in the form of the numerous screenshots, videos and player testimonials has not convinced you that this is in fact the case, then check the website if you don't believe me and Tasos, its on the official website so it must be true, as everything on the official website has always been true.

Remember Darkfall is also massive by design so its obviously must have also have a massive amount of players or that would be a serious design flaw, and the Darkfall developers are flawless as many of their friends have repeatedly been telling us for years, so it probably does.

And don't believe Xfire numbers they are lies and mean nothing unless they indicate a rise, optimistic anecdotal unsubstantiated subjective story's about rapidly growing and healthy server populations are all you need to pay attention to unless you are a troll hater.

 

I detect no sarcasm in that post and I must agree - you are 100% correct. 

Darkfall Rocks.

Originally posted by tensspotting

Originally posted by Polarization

Darkfall has over 10 thousand concurrent players per game world, and the largest MMORPG battles ever - involving thousands.

If all the conclusive evidence presented so far in the form of the numerous screenshots, videos and player testimonials has not convinced you that this is in fact the case, then check the website if you don't believe me and Tasos, its on the official website so it must be true, as everything on the official website has always been true.

Remember Darkfall is also massive by design so its obviously must have also have a massive amount of players or that would be a serious design flaw, and the Darkfall developers are flawless as many of their friends have repeatedly been telling us for years, so it probably does.

And don't believe Xfire numbers they are lies and mean nothing unless they indicate a rise, optimistic anecdotal unsubstantiated subjective story's about rapidly growing and healthy server populations are all you need to pay attention to unless you are a troll hater.

 

 

 

I detect no sarcasm in that post and I must agree - you are 100% correct. 

 

Darkfall Rocks.

Polarization makes another victim!