Originally posted by robino

Originally posted by robino

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

In all seriousness, though, the information is out there. 

 

 

 

post 'em up then

you coulda done it in the time you took to write that drivel

... Who the hell are you exactly? What are we, your freaking secretaries?

Here's a suggestion: Stop being so damn lazy and do your own research.

FFS.

 

At this time the game is a little clunky in some areas if you compare FE to some other MMO's....not being a "techie" I would say that some of the char/npc movements/AI could do with some refining. In saying that I have no doubt that these things will be ironed out in time, much as they have been in just about every other MMO I have been in. What this company has managed to achieve is pretty amazing, especially so when held up in comparison to the offerings lately fromother big budget companies.

If nothing else think of your game purchase as a positive vote for a change in what we want in MMO's, have no expectations from FE (i.e. dont race to max level) and you will find it is a pretty good MMO.
 

Originally posted by robino

Originally posted by robino

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

In all seriousness, though, the information is out there. 

 

 

 

post 'em up then

you coulda done it in the time you took to write that drivel

That's assuming that I have any personal interest in bringing you to this game. I don't, sorry.

Seriously, as much time and effort as the OP has put into this thread, they could've easily found S2 combat vids. Do a freaking search for "Fallen Earth combat Sector 2" on YouTube. It's not that difficult.

my mate was telling me to buy the game for ages so to shut him up i told him let me play for an hour on yours and then ill see if i like it. one hour later i was making my account, never looked back

I cannot find any "sector 2" YouTube videos either. So far all videos I've seen of Fallen Earth have horrible AI (including one where the mobs were level 45). I only played in sector 1 myself so far, and of course the AI is horrible there as well.

So whatever, I suck at YouTube. I'm asking for your help: could you please provide a link to Fallen Earth combat where the AI is decent?

Originally posted by robino

i was thinking about buying this game...

but i've seen loads of vids on youtube of really quite poor AI in terms of combat and poor combat generally

my complaints so far are:

* AI aggro distance is stupidly short & AI attack in predictable ways

* AI enemies are types which you would expect to be a challenge but are not (e.g. shouldn't humans be able to put up more of a fight? - is it really fun to slaughter a dozen people on a single mission when it just isn't a challenge?)

* I've never seen AI use cover

* damage model is based on 'skills' - but shouldn't a bullet in the leg cause the same damage regardless of who shoots it?

* no apparent physics model to any combat (can you 'blow' someone into the air?)

 

i think they (the devs) will need to revisit this - becasue at the moment - the combat may as well be the same trash combat other MMO's seem to get away with

go ahead - prove me wrong - show me your best vid of the combat this game has to offer - because thats the only way you are gonna change my mind

 

You should check out the combat in Champions Online. The game has been receiving alot of criticism, and well deserved in many cases, but its combat physics is awesome.

You can knock people around (up, away, towards you) and you have the best mid-air combat I have seen in any MMORPG (way better than Aions limited flight combat). Also you can pick up stuff in the environment and throw it as a weapon. Really fun combat if you ask me. Semi twich-based like an FPS and very fluid but you dont need to do manual aiming and stuff so you can be good at it even if you are not a CS expert.

However that and the customization is all CO got going for it. But if you like combat you should definetely check it out.

Yep FE AI sucks..deal with it, its not as bad as some and certainly there is room for growth..

Tell ya though making comments on a game with an opinion based solely on online videos is a little lame no matter how you look at it. Expecting the players to "sell the game" is kind of silly too. There was an update earlier about buddy keys/trial keys, give the game a try.

AI advancement is tons easier modify with a good foundation and FE has that, I think its easier to script an AI then to add crafting later, which is at the heart of this game.  So the main question you should ask yourself is do I want to salvage/harvest/craft my way..You do not have to, you could just buy other people work, but I think if you do, you are missing a part of the game (my opinion) but it could be done.

Do I want to sit out and snipe someone in pvp?, duel wield ice picks and mow through mobs for harvesting...etc.

Give the game a try and then come here with the things that chaps your arse.

Me? I am going to be busy killing stuff and making me another ATV, can not wait till I can build a motorcycle, they look like fun.

And Champion's Online looks pretty sweet, but I have a hard time dealing with the cell shading, but its my issue, the game itself is awesome.

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Originally posted by Tethered
And Champion's Online looks pretty sweet, but I have a hard time dealing with the cell shading, but its my issue, the game itself is awesome.

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You can turn off the cell-shading in CO's prefs.

 I really don't understand what all this about the poor AI is? Its really no different then any other MMO I've ever played.  Some mobs patrol, some mobs don't. Some mobs aggro, some mobs don't.  Some aggro at extremely close range (in the early levels especially) and some aggro as soon as they blip on your map.

Ranged enemies use ranged attacks, melee enemies use melee attacks.  Cover is rarely used by players or enemies, as most of the areas are out in the open where theres little cover anyways.  Some mobs move and strafe around you, some ranged enemies shoot and move... basically no different then any other MMO I've ever played. The major difference is that you actually a have to aim in FE.  Most MMOs you just auto target and click 1 - 9 all day until the enemies are dead, rinse and repeat.  Headshots do more damage and give critical strikes, it also seems shooting in the back gives a higher chance for crits. 

My issue is with some of the mobs pathing usually..  the back and forth motion of the enemies as they run towards you makes them tough to hit... if you're playing close range with pistols or a rifle and you aren't using FPS view then you probably aren't hitting enemies accurately if you're trying to strafe.  Also, some melee attacks hit from way to far away.  A guy with an 8 inch knife shouldn't be able to slice me at 10 feet away, but its been known to happen.

Originally posted by GrumpyJester

I cannot find any "sector 2" YouTube videos either. ..

So whatever, I suck at YouTube. I'm asking for your help: could you please provide a link to Fallen Earth combat where the AI is decent?

 

ya i know - there don't seem to be any sector 2 videos showing AI on youtube

just the same old sucky AI combat

shame

can someone post one up please?

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by adderVXI

the justification?  well its Hardcore!!  Perhaps to hardcore for you  :)

Ugh... I'm sure that was tongue-in-cheek, but can we please stay away from tossing around the "you're not hardcore enough" theme? There's nothing "hardcore" about playing a video game. Ever.

Also, it's a bit too reminiscent of the regurgitated mantra repeated ad nauseum in the Darkfall threads to anyone who dares criticize it; "the game's too hardcore for you". -roll eyes- This community is, for the most part, way above DF's and I really would hate to see it dragged down to that level.

Just a personal request... Thanks :)

That said... Coming into a thread, criticizing the game and "advising the developers" of what changes to make to something  they've not invested a single dime in, and wanting people to "justify" it to them is... well... arrogant. I think the OP just needs to do their own research, like everyone else did and then make the same decision everyone else did... whether or not they're willing to give the game a try for themself. 

 

You are correct in you assumption!!  It was totally tongue and cheek!!!  It was actually directly from Darkfall, a game i fell for, much like D&L, and a few others.  I have sorta a new take on this whole gaming thing.  They"re GAMES!!!  Yes thats right, news flash.  And yes playing games can be hardcore.  Right now i have cloths pins on my nipples, and that how im gonna play FE later tonight!!!

Sorry if i offended anyone for using the "your not hardcore enough" comment.  I hope we all dont take this crap so serious. 
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgjMOMhqFJo&feature=related

Level 45 grinding. Its not the best example, due to the fact these are somewhat braindead mobs(they are all over) but still you can see baf and buffing from the mobs and the guy engages much further out then you would find in s1. Also the mobs are tagging him pretty good even with his maxed dodge.

The mobs seem to be using LOS rather then sound for aggro. Something hopefully Icarus fixes soon.