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10/19/09 5:48:23 PM#21
MMORPG.COM reviews are a joke. They obviously get all their money from adds, if MMORPG.COM gives a bad review, would you want an add for your game next to it????????? OF COURSE NOT, it would be money wasted. That's why they don't have any honest reviews. |
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Originally posted by Caleveira
I agree with you (as well as most others who have responded).
Am I on a crusade because of the numbers awarded to the given MMOs in the table above? Nope.
I just thought it worth-while to show for all to see how the scores have stacked up over the years. If the staff/admin here at mmorpg.com is fine with 2009 being the best year for MMOs EVER (going by the top 5 scores given)... that's great. I don't think the caliber of MMOs released this year deserves that distinction, but it's not my site.
I just hope that 3-5 years from now we aren't seeing averages of 9.5+ given to "ordinary" MMOs. If the trend keeps up soon they'll have to raise the top score beyond 10. |
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10/19/09 6:14:39 PM#23
I've stopped reading reviews these past few years. They've become more and more inaccurate. They all seem to want to give games raving reviews and never really take enough time to play the game to really know the games. It's hard to find reviewers that can list good, bad, and ugly in a fair way. EQ1-AC1-DAOC-FFXI-L2-EQ2-WoW-DDO-GW-LoTR-VG-WAR |
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Originally posted by Kyleran
That is part of the point.
In most years there are either no MMOs, or a single 1 or 2 that is in the 8+ range. 2009 is the first year to have 5 MMOs reviewed (new, original reviews) that received an 8 or higher, and we still have a couple months to go before the year is over. There could very well be another 2 or 3 in the 8+ range.
So, that is what I am trying to find out. Is the staff/admin and reviewers alone in the thought process that 2009 is the best year ever? I'm not seeing a lot of support for the inflated scores, and I'm not really holding out hope to hear any kind of "official" response. I will be happy with the knowledge that at least I have made some aware that there is definitely a trend on this site (as well as others) to award higher scores on average when compared to scores given in the past.
Perhaps with that knowledge there might be a re-awakening for reviewers to be a bit more discerning for future reviews. Surely the reviewers and staff/admin here must realize that the average scores cannot keep increasing? |
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10/19/09 6:26:22 PM#25
Originally posted by xzyax
And you can make a difference. Click on the link above which says "Get involved! become a reviewer, correspondent, or moderator!". And you can become a reviewer!
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10/19/09 6:31:35 PM#26
I'd say the reviews have gotten MORE professional over the years when compared to other review sites. Seriously, giving WoW a 8.1? Vanilla WoW's average score on metacritic is 93 with a lot of reviewers giving it a perfect 100. The 8.1 seems just out of place. At the time WoW at least deserved more. Then that same reviewer goes and gives EVE Online a 8.3 which at the time it was released had a serious number of flaws and generally received pretty average (70s and lower) scores on review sites. EVE might have appealed to the reviewer more, but reviewers should try their best to take unbiased approaches. Then again the scores recently do seem rather high. I've never even heard of Freaky Creatures and Pixie Hollow and I don't see how if they were games truely deserving such a high rating I wouldn't have heard (considering I play or at least follow indie games that receive critical praise). Free Realms definitely doesn't deserve 8.3, it's a buggy game with in my opinion no minigames that have lasting appeal. I don't see how it can possibly be almost a point over Puzzle Pirates. Warhammer and Aion also probably shouldn't have received such high scores, though they are reasonable enough. The scores don't make much sense compared to the score they gave to WoW though. After all Warhammer is fairly similar to WoW (with a more PvP oriented focus), but is plagued by far more problems than WoW had at release.  |
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Stellos
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Joined: 9/15/06
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10/19/09 6:35:09 PM#27
I think the scoring has become more liberal if anything. The scores shouldn't be that much higher of other MMOs during their release time. Though scoring will gradually rise because MMOs learn from eachother we still haven't seen a rise in quality like these scores indicate. Interesting point. Perhaps this staff will take a better look at their rating system. Is it just me or do they love the themepark, level based crap:P |
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MisterSr
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Joined: 6/16/07
Nothing surprises me these days, luckily I am getting into the industry to create my own surprises. |
10/19/09 6:49:07 PM#28
I believe the reviewers have gotten extremely generous with their ratings. Yes, Aion is a good game, but is it really a great game? It most definitely is not a 8.7, for it lacks PvE content (variety of quests, story based end-game raid instances, a wide variety of areas). WAR, well we all know that was no better than half the games on that list, there is no way that was a 8.3. I am just saying, although I love Aion as of now, I doubt I will be saying that in a few months, the same thing went for WAR. I loved WAR when i first started playing it, but as i reached my mid 20s I began to despise it. Variety is essential, and that is one thing many of the games recently rated lack. At best I would rate Aion an 8.1, I may be being too generous. All I have to say though about this really is that the reviewers are placing their reviews too much on the hype. Just read Aion's review, the reviewer sounds like no more than just another fan boy. A good review is based off weighing the good and the bad of the game against all the other top games on the market, and see where it falls in place on that list based on how it stands up to the competition. The reviewers on this site as of recent are much too biased, I believe someone needs to step in and tell them to look at the game from an objective standpoint. |
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10/19/09 7:09:27 PM#29
Originally posted by xzyax
Lol @ people who would take those ratings seriously. I find it funny how the worst MMORPGs ever made happen to be top ranked, and they are even ranked above games like WoW. Lets face it, WoW is still the best MMORPG out there. AION is a piece of shit, just like WAR. Games are both WoW clones and massive failures. If those ratings measure anything, its hype. Those games at the top were supposed to kill WoW, I wonder what happened. And lol @ Sean Bulger, Carolyn Koh, Michael Bitton, Sanya Weathers. WAR or AION above WoW? That is a joke
On a side note, MMORPGs either peaked at EQ or WoW and have been going downhill ever since. |
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10/19/09 7:14:17 PM#30
lol ,lot of title you included were reviewed and published last year lol ,you included some game way past the 12 month time lol |
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Tisiphone
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Joined: 3/16/04
"Every time you skip security patches, Cthulu kills a kitten." |
10/19/09 7:18:26 PM#31
"Is this really the best year of MMOs EVER? Really???" Short answer ... no. I don't think a good year for MMORPGs has ever involved what came out new release that year, as MMOs very rarely appear bug free with a happy, settled community. Good years for MMORPGs is when several good games exist in their 2nd or 3rd year. Not too old, not too new, good selection of games. I would peg that at 2006 or 2007... when WoW and FFXI were fresh but established. But you could look back farther to the years when DAOC, EQ1, AO, and pre-NGE SWG were running strong. If games like The Secret World, Old Republic, Star Trek, Fallen Earth, and perhaps Aion progress and do well into 2010, perhaps 2011 will be a good year.
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10/19/09 8:01:27 PM#32
Aion had smoother launch than WoW and just about ever other mmo,Ratings of games are 75% launch and 25% game play.Early rating for mmo do not matter just look at War and AoC.The problem with rating mmos is that reviewers can not play the endgame or predict the problems with fixing issues in the game.So yes based on Rating system Aion is one of the best mmo every released but for mmo the re rating are actually the most important rating. Until MMOs test more for the end game this type of rating we will see,Could anyone predict that funcom would ingnore all the AoC probelms for months and would be unable to figure out probelms with sieges and pvp balance,or that War PVE would have so little depth that it couldn't keep the WoW players,It is impossible to predict how companies will fix probelms or how players will make gameplay the end. MMO are about endgame or endgame skills and their is no way 2 months and probably even 6 months you will get a proper review of how a game will be. I will end with this Aoc was not 7.9 at the start it was probably 6.5 but right now it is probably 7.9 even though nobody is playing it.War was probably not 8.4 it was probably 7.1 right now it is 8.4 but nobody is playing it.MMO improve drastically for the better over time,if players are going to ingore improvements to game and game turns the game they wanted it what is the point then.
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10/19/09 8:07:06 PM#33
Originally posted by luckturtz
LOL 12 hour queues for 2 weeks is "smoother than every other MMO"? You all sure bring out the funny tonight. |
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10/19/09 9:11:26 PM#34
Originally posted by bastii
LOL 12 hour queues for 2 weeks is "smoother than every other MMO"? You all sure bring out the funny tonight. Go head name another problem that Aion had and i will wait on a reply.Never mind i will say for you 1.Gold/chat spam 2.Private shop spam 1 month later all of the problems are gone.Go ahead try to say after 1 month any other mmo all of the "major launch" problems where gone.Wow,Aoc,War,Darkfall all launch with out main features or many bugs and glitches.The haters will complain about the queues but ask any current AoC or War player if they prefer having to wait around a little in the beginning or watching their server die from lack players and then having to go through the sillyness of a server merge or character transfers.Aion could have made the quick fix and add bunch of servers but two months from when the pop drops the will have a bunch of low pop servers.Aion made the right choice. Aion may be unoriginal game that brings nothing new to table but it is very well made unoriginal game.It has very few bugs or real problems
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10/19/09 9:17:17 PM#35
More like the year of clone and fail. Currently Playing: Toying around with AoC and bored with Darkfall Thinking of Playing: Fallen Earth or Darkfall after this months update. Have Played: EQ1, EQ2, WoW, WAR, Vanguard, EvE, Requiem, PW, Lotro, Lineage2, AoC, SWG... |
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10/19/09 9:20:21 PM#36
Originally posted by luckturtz
I'm waiting to resub when the patch comes out that actually makes Aion...fun. This has been the year of shit MMOs. Just like last year. |
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10/19/09 9:38:58 PM#37
Although reviews do provide a good insight on the potential quality of a game, it has to be taken into consideration the review himself. Because personally, I take note of which review liked what and if that particular reviewer is a person after my own tastes, then I will find myself tuning into that reviewer's work more often than others. I suppose it's a matter of similar taste. Except when it comes to general quality of aspects such as sound, graphics and performance. Features, can be subjective as some people favor some over others. |
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10/19/09 10:05:01 PM#38
Originally posted by Eben
I'm waiting to resub when the patch comes out that actually makes Aion...fun. This has been the year of shit MMOs. Just like last year.
Lack of content?As compare to what WoW?EQ? You can't compare games to WoW for content wise it has 3-4 year 2 expansion head start.The content is fine players need to stop rushing through games just to level. Aion due 6 month to 1 year delay and because it has been out Korea for awhile it is pretty filled with content and they have been pumping out new content in Korea which you will see in US/EU pretty soon.Content is not issue with aion. Horrible Grind,I didn't think it was that bad while i was playing it,It has less grind than most Asian centric games.It is "grindie" some what,would i call it horrible grind not really i didn't find worse than WoW or CoX. I don't play Aion anymore not because it is bad game but because it is not the type of mmo spefically the combat that i want to play. I think mmo fans have unreal expectations for new mmos,More content than WoW from the beginning,The game is suppose to have a lot content but don't be too grind filled,You supposed to be able to level quickly but have a lots of content.You are suppose to try something new but be like old games.Honestly many of you guys will jump from one bad mmo to another bad mmo to another bad mmo,and never realize what problem is and here is a hint it is not the game.
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10/20/09 1:03:37 AM#39
In no world Aion and WAR should get a better score than WoW, those games aren't even in the same scale with WoW this is enough to tell you that these scrores worth 4$$. World of Warcraft is a proof that MMORPG quality should affect schedule/budget and not the other way around. |
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10/20/09 3:31:45 AM#40
Originally posted by luckturtz
Lack of content?As compare to what WoW?EQ? You can't compare games to WoW for content wise it has 3-4 year 2 expansion head start.The content is fine players need to stop rushing through games just to level. Aion due 6 month to 1 year delay and because it has been out Korea for awhile it is pretty filled with content and they have been pumping out new content in Korea which you will see in US/EU pretty soon.Content is not issue with aion. Horrible Grind,I didn't think it was that bad while i was playing it,It has less grind than most Asian centric games.It is "grindie" some what,would i call it horrible grind not really i didn't find worse than WoW or CoX. I don't play Aion anymore not because it is bad game but because it is not the type of mmo spefically the combat that i want to play. I think mmo fans have unreal expectations for new mmos,More content than WoW from the beginning,The game is suppose to have a lot content but don't be too grind filled,You supposed to be able to level quickly but have a lots of content.You are suppose to try something new but be like old games.Honestly many of you guys will jump from one bad mmo to another bad mmo to another bad mmo,and never realize what problem is and here is a hint it is not the game.
Sorry but i am not the problem! In my opinion a mmorpg has lack of content if it doesn't have an advanced crafting system completely separate from combat interaction, player housing, player vendors, completely player-driven economy and dynamic environments (sit down on a chair, light a campfire where you want, write actual texts in books and give them to people, i could go on forever).
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