Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by daarco

I could finally get Greater Magic today : )

After six months of playing.

 I hate magic. Hows that for sandbox?

 

This thread needs to be locked and tossed. It's obvious the OP has never played the game.

He's being critical of an entire system in a game without any first hand knowledge.

He read somewhere that in DF you can train every skill and is running with it.

Just look at his responses to me, He can't answer a simple question about self heal.

 

 

 

should be locked for alot more than just that ;)

Originally posted by metalhead980 

This thread needs to be locked and tossed. It's obvious the OP has never played the game.

He's being critical of an entire system in a game without any first hand knowledge.

He read somewhere that in DF you can train every skill and is running with it.

Just look at his responses to me, He can't answer a simple question about self heal. 

You can't reply to neither me nor Strix, so you just say, "THIS TOPIC SHOULD BE CLOSED I HAVE BEEN BEATEN."

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Originally posted by Dawnsinger

Originally posted by metalhead980 

This thread needs to be locked and tossed. It's obvious the OP has never played the game.

He's being critical of an entire system in a game without any first hand knowledge.

He read somewhere that in DF you can train every skill and is running with it.

Just look at his responses to me, He can't answer a simple question about self heal. 

You can't reply to neither me nor Strix, so you just say, "THIS TOPIC SHOULD BE CLOSED I HAVE BEEN BEATEN."

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"Beaten"?

You start with self heal, its a basic skill everyone has and the difference between someone that casually uses it and tries to level it up is trivial at best. Learn about the game before you troll, you havent beaten it.

As for strix his complaints are directed as balance issues. Even if DF had a skill cap he would still have issues using a dagger since its gimped atm.

You know absolutely nothing about the game yet you act as you've won something.

I stopped responding to you for a reason.

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Originally posted by metalhead980

 

"Beaten"?

 

You start with self heal, its a basic skill everyone has and the difference between someone that casually uses it and tries to level it up is trivial at best. Learn about the game before you troll, you havent beaten it.

As for strix his complaints are directed as balance issues. Even if DF had a skill cap he would still have issues using a dagger since its gimped atm.

You know absolutely nothing about the game yet you act as you've won something.

I stopped responding to you for a reason.

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You have more than made your point to this guy, I don't know how much more you can honestly do.
 

What I do know is that I guarantee he posts again, digging even deeper.

It's blatantly obvious he has never played. He'll probably spend five minutes doing some research (which he should have done a couple of posts ago), and finally recognize how sad his campaign really is.

Originally posted by Cecropia

Originally posted by metalhead980

 

"Beaten"?

 

You start with self heal, its a basic skill everyone has and the difference between someone that casually uses it and tries to level it up is trivial at best. Learn about the game before you troll, you havent beaten it.

As for strix his complaints are directed as balance issues. Even if DF had a skill cap he would still have issues using a dagger since its gimped atm.

You know absolutely nothing about the game yet you act as you've won something.

I stopped responding to you for a reason.

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You have more than made your point to this guy, I don't know how much more you can honestly do.
 

What I do know is that I guarantee he posts again, digging even deeper.

It's blatantly obvious he has never played. He'll probably spend five minutes doing some research (which he should have done a couple of posts ago), and finally recognize how sad his campaign really is.

A simple google and he would have known to stfu.

Whats really sad about the guy is the game he's promoting is a worthless piece of shit and for someone like me that enjoys near every sandbox game thats saying something.

For all the sandbox fans reading this stay away from the game in his sig.

Originally posted by metalhead980

A simple google and he would have known to stfu.

Whats really sad about the guy is the game he's promoting is a worthless piece of shit and for someone like me that enjoys near every sandbox game thats saying something.

For all the sandbox fans reading this stay away from the game in his sig.

I know little of the game in his sig. Can't comment on that.

I'm just really enjoying DF the way you are. I really can't stand magic, but understand it's place in a fantasy game. I'm also happy another EVE player (assuming by your avatar) has found another nice game. When I need a break from my lovely Minmatar ships, DF seems to be a comfortable alternative.

Back to archery for my butt.

Originally posted by metalhead980

A simple google and he would have known to stfu.

Whats really sad about the guy is the game he's promoting is a worthless piece of shit and for someone like me that enjoys near every sandbox game thats saying something.

For all the sandbox fans reading this stay away from the game in his sig.

"Waaaah! Waaaah! Darkfall doesn't have half the features of this game in ALPHA, so I'm going to advise all sandbox fans to stay away from it! WAAAAH!"

And, yes, the difference between it levelled up is not HUGELY significant, but it's still a big enough difference to make it worth levelling up. Less QQ because you're getting beaten in PvP with people with it, and moar pewpew because you're levelling it up!

Yes, that guy caught lieng about magic and self heal spell.. Don't give anything about what these dishonest person says. Tha crap game he also promotes looks like the shit too, so don't trust him on his taste and statements about games at all.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Yes, that guy caught lieng about magic and self heal spell.. Don't give anything about what these dishonest person says. Tha crap game he also promotes looks like the shit too, so don't trust him on his taste and statements about games at all.

Go on, DarthRet- Oh, wait, you're just attempting to bait me into insult. What was I lying about? =)

It is THE SHIT, too, thank you. ;D

Originally posted by Dawnsinger

Go on, DarthRet- Oh, wait, you're just attempting to bait me into insult. What was I lying about? =)

It is THE SHIT, too, thank you. ;D

and then "Waaaah, Waaaah... WAAAAH!"

Well said.

And I beg of you, what is your agenda?

Move!

Originally posted by Dawnsinger

Originally posted by metalhead980

Honestly why level up archery skills if you hate using a bow? why bother with magic if you like archery? Why would I waste my time raising every stupid freaking skill if I dont intend to do everything?

Why level them up? Why not level them up? You're still giving yourself a combat advantage over your opponent and so, in the long run, the only real way to play the game is to level up everything, as you would not be able to compete otherwise.

False. I'm stopping with magic at Fire magic and Necro. If you want to be a compotent mage you really only need 1 maxed magic school unless your aim is so terrible that you need more AoE/High end nukes. Does haveing more high end nukes/aoes make the game easier, yes. Is it nesscary to compete - no.

And the game you are promoting I couldn't bother playing. I was exploring and was prevented from stepping on other people's land. WTF! I can honestly say if that one "feature" were removed I'd probably be able to tolerate the game because you can litterally build thngs and shape the world as much as you want, which is mainly possible becuase the graphics are really low, but thankfully I will be able to get that in MO. So I'll get my PvP siege fix in DFO and my fluffy RP carebare crap in MO. Win win.

Originally posted by xpiher 

False. I'm stopping with magic at Fire magic and Necro. If you want to be a compotent mage you really only need 1 maxed magic school unless your aim is so terrible that you need more AoE/High end nukes. Does haveing more high end nukes/aoes make the game easier, yes. Is it nesscary to compete - no.

And the game you are promoting I couldn't bother playing. I was exploring and was prevented from stepping on other people's land. WTF! I can honestly say if that one "feature" were removed I'd probably be able to tolerate the game because you can litterally build thngs and shape the world as much as you want, which is mainly possible becuase the graphics are really low, but thankfully I will be able to get that in MO. So I'll get my PvP siege fix in DFO and my fluffy RP carebare crap in MO. Win win.

So, you admit it makes the game easier?

[A]dventure -> C[r]iminal Acts
If you didn't do that, you'd be able to walk all over other people's terrain accidentally, leaving trespassing smells, which allows people to hunt you down. Stealing / battery / murder smells also allow people to summon you to your hearthfire, to kill you whilst you're offline. But, they ALSO leave a murder smell, which usually leads to a massive blood feud between two groups.

Possibly over a single piece of bread.

PS: Have another drink... Keep it goin' ya don't stop.

Originally posted by Cecropia

You're so clever and witty.  You should be a comedian. =)

Originally posted by Dawnsinger

You're so clever and witty.  You should be a comedian. =)

no no, please I have been coming to this forum for entertainment for who knows how long. You have been making me laugh for awhile now too.  I hope your still here in a year, still bitching and making me chuckle.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Dawnsinger

Originally posted by Romulous

What about the grand daddy of sandbox games, that is still alive and kicking after 12 years (Ultima Online,) where does that rank on yer list! Also, Ryzom is a PVE only game, how is that more any sandboxy than Darkfall, which focuses more heavily on pvp but still has at least some pve elements. I think any list like this is better left out when proving your sandboxy point because everyone has their own list of what games represent the sandbox genre for them. For me its UO, Asheron's call and Shadowbane. While I consider none of them to be a perfect sandbox they all have entertaining aspects in them and a wide variety of freedom to choose what to do with the time you spent playing them.

PS Orriginal Poster, Darkfall while not the perfect sandbox is definitely more sandbox style mmo than themepark. So either someone needs to coin a new phrase just to describe the niche this game fills or accept that it is in fact sandboxy.

Sandbox has nothing to do with PvP, and a game that focuses on PvP to the exclusion of everything else ( Darkfall ) is definitely not a sandbox.

 

Seriously dude get yourself some knowledge about FF full loot PvP settings, like the poster you quoted try to tell you but you obviously not capable of understanding terms and concept.

Darth, get off your high horse and listen to the dude, for a change.

Both Romulous and Dawnsinger have a point. FFA PvP does not mean sandbox, full loot or not. PvP is just that, PvP. If you call DF PvP sandobx, then all games with PvP are sandbox. in a nutshell, sandbox means "nonlinear" or "non-scripted". To me, sandbox is when u start a game of Civilization, save it, then play through it.  Once you finish your game, load the very first save and play it again. Even if you try to do exactly same thing u did in your previous game, it will be different.

DF has sandbox elements, no levels, no preset skills. But it lacks major sandbox features like open ended quests, or ability to build player towns anywhere YOU want, or building the type of building YOU want in YOUR player city. You can't do that in DF, can you?

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Darth, get off your high horse and listen to the dude, for a change.

Both Romulous and Dawnsinger have a point. FFA PvP does not mean sandbox, full loot or not. PvP is just that, PvP. If you call DF PvP sandobx, then all games with PvP are sandbox. in a nutshell, sandbox means "nonlinear" or "non-scripted". To me, sandbox is when u start a game of Civilization, save it, then play through it.  Once you finish your game, load the very first save and play it again. Even if you try to do exactly same thing u did in your previous game, it will be different.

DF has sandbox elements, no levels, no preset skills. But it lacks major sandbox features like open ended quests, or ability to build player towns anywhere YOU want, or building the type of building YOU want in YOUR player city. You can't do that in DF, can you?

The problem I have is trying to figure out how mmorpg'ers define "sandbox". Let's be fair, everyone around seems to have their own version. It's like Urban dictionary sometimes.

In regards to the last part of your post. I think if they had of allowed city building anywhere you want this would be one hell of an improvement.

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Originally posted by DarthRaiden

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Originally posted by Dawnsinger

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Originally posted by Romulous
 
What about the grand daddy of sandbox games, that is still alive and kicking after 12 years (Ultima Online,) where does that rank on yer list! Also, Ryzom is a PVE only game, how is that more any sandboxy than Darkfall, which focuses more heavily on pvp but still has at least some pve elements. I think any list like this is better left out when proving your sandboxy point because everyone has their own list of what games represent the sandbox genre for them. For me its UO, Asheron's call and Shadowbane. While I consider none of them to be a perfect sandbox they all have entertaining aspects in them and a wide variety of freedom to choose what to do with the time you spent playing them.
PS Orriginal Poster, Darkfall while not the perfect sandbox is definitely more sandbox style mmo than themepark. So either someone needs to coin a new phrase just to describe the niche this game fills or accept that it is in fact sandboxy.

 
Sandbox has nothing to do with PvP, and a game that focuses on PvP to the exclusion of everything else ( Darkfall ) is definitely not a sandbox.
 

 

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Seriously dude get yourself some knowledge about FF full loot PvP settings, like the poster you quoted try to tell you but you obviously not capable of understanding terms and concept.
 
 

 

 

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Darth, get off your high horse and listen to the dude, for a change.
Both Romulous and Dawnsinger have a point. FFA PvP does not mean sandbox, full loot or not. PvP is just that, PvP. If you call DF PvP sandobx, then all games with PvP are sandbox. in a nutshell, sandbox means "nonlinear" or "non-scripted". To me, sandbox is when u start a game of Civilization, save it, then play through it.  Once you finish your game, load the very first save and play it again. Even if you try to do exactly same thing u did in your previous game, it will be different.
DF has sandbox elements, no levels, no preset skills. But it lacks major sandbox features like open ended quests, or ability to build player towns anywhere YOU want, or building the type of building YOU want in YOUR player city. You can't do that in DF, can you?
 
 

 

 

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I guess you didn't read the whole posts in these topic, thats why you come to such a wrong representation of what according to you i think is sandbox.
A hint should have given you that i use the word  "settings" in FFA full loot PvP settings.
I ve not decided yet if i tell you to go read up what i write about sandbox or make the work and copy that for you.
 
Ok, i am generous to you :
 
 

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Originally posted by DarthRaiden
 
A MMORPG is a sandbox if objective indicators can be attested.
- a seamless non instanced world
- unlimited access to game content not hindered through classes, player levels, quest chains and quest requirements
- cyclic repeatable processes and content instead of linear progression.
If all of that apply then we face a sandbox ..
 

 

 

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As you can see, type and setting of PvP plays absolutely no role for me in regards to game being sandbox or not.
It just appeared others claimed the presence of FFA full loot PvP makes a game by default NO sandbox. Romolous and me had to remind someone the first MMO being sandbox and having FFA full loot PvP settings, which was UO.

About Darkfalls housing being not "sandboxy" enough for you i like to remind you the game Ryzom and Ryzoms housing (no players city buildings at all ! )

Ryzom all agree is indisputable a sandbox style game and then it offers a instanced, not placed apartment which you can't decorate and no one esle then you can enter it. Looking a Darkfall we have house placed in the world, you can decorate you can invite friends into. If there is no problem to call Ryzom a sandbox  with its housing , why should be there a problem to call Darkfall a sandbox with a so much more customizable housing then Ryzom ?
 

The reason for building locations are pre-set in Darkfall is that the world and environment isn't random. Every litle inch of Agon has been placed into his spot and location.If  the world offers such a world its difficult to allow you to destroy it with random placed houses / buildings.