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Originally posted by laokoko Ok want a challenge? Wotlk (the latest WOW incarnation) had an average professional review on the web of ... 92.46 % http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/942519-world-of-warcraft-wrath-of-the-lich-king/index.html That's average from all over the web. Mmorpg.com gives it officialy 8.1 (preceded by such HIGHLY fantastic games like "you name" it and it's up there ...) Aion has (at the moment) an average professional review on the web of 81.54% MMOrpg.com gives the best rated mmorpg ever: 8.7% That's a ... 18% difference on ... average pro ratings. So the editors of mmorpg.com simply don't put reviews on the same bench test. Aion is the new kid on the block they want desperatly to succeed (like Aoc was, like War was). The main and very PROFOUND underlying problem is : you don't help anyone with this kind of politics. The farce is that what they DO create is even more people driving back to WOW OR (far worse) back to playing consoles.
As these scores are average, a 18% difference is so huge it is showing a prejudgement all over the place. Not acceptable by a site calling itself "mmorpg.com".
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Zorndorf do you know that the review mmorpg has here of wow is when it launched?
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Originally posted by Zorndorf
The review number is just a stupid number made by a random person which isn't even important. I gave Aion a 8.2. My score is as important as any random number given by a random person. Let it go. It isn't even important. |
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Originally posted by bloodaxes No change to what I said (average basic WOW was 91.71 and coming from ... 68 reviews btw). http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/534914-world-of-warcraft/index.html So there is NO way to explain the average 17 or 18% difference between what you get here and the reality outside of this "site". WHO exactly has mmorpg.com in hands anyway? Do you know it? The above averages show it is clearly not normal ... at all. I think this "problem" surpasses much more things than your "own personal opinion".
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Originally posted by Zorndorf No change to what I said (average basic WOW was 91.71 and coming from ... 68 reviews btw). http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/534914-world-of-warcraft/index.html So there is NO way to explain the average 17 or 18% difference between what you get here and the reality outside of this "site". WHO exactly has mmorpg in hands anyway? Do you know it? The above averages show it is clearly not normal ... at all.
The score is made by a "random" reviewer of mmorpg.com. If you care so much. Apply to work for mmorpg.com and send in a review. It's just a trash number which is pointless. Let it go. It's just a perspective from a random single person. Which is not even important. Last thing which is more important is most people in mmorpg.com dont' like wow. I dont' mean the staff, but in general. Since if we like wow, we'll be happy in the wow forum spaming how unbalance the class is. |
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So mmorpg.com is biased towards finding the next big thing post WoW? Who isn't really? I'm sure when SW:TOR launches we'll see the same reviews and the same results and the same hysterics about how mmorpg.com is biased in favour of SW:TOR. It's so obvious it's like I can see it happening. |
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Originally posted by Xasapis Exactly. We agree. Now the next problem is: biased reviews (with a whacky 18% difference between 4 reviews) will not make for better games in keeping people's intrests. Nor "support". So we should all HAIL Blizzard and praise it just like me :))) Of course not, but don't loose touch with reality either or you will NEVER find a good game again. Lesson 1 for a gaming site with the url: mmorpg.com and its credibility.
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Originally posted by Zorndorf Exactly. We agree. Now the next problem is: biased reviews (with a whacky 18% difference between 4 reviews) will not make for better games in keeping people's intrests. Nor "support". So we should all HAIL Blizzard and praise it just like me :))) Of course not, but don't loose touch with reality either or you will NEVER find a good game again. Lesson 1 for a gaming site with the url: mmorpg.com and its credibility.
Or maybe you should stop thinking that wow is the best game and get in your mind that there are people who don't like it and enjoy playing something else.
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Originally posted by Zorndorf Exactly. We agree. Now the next problem is: biased reviews (with a whacky 18% difference between 4 reviews) will not make for better games in keeping people's intrests. Nor "support". So we should all HAIL Blizzard and praise it just like me :))) Of course not, but don't loose touch with reality either or you will NEVER find a good game again. Lesson 1 for a gaming site with the url: mmorpg.com.
Haven't you notice everyone here in general don't like Wow? Since really, if we like wow, we won't be in mmorpg.com. We'll be at the wow forum. |
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Well, the real answer is play whatever is fun for you. Reviews usually shade a positive light on the reviewed product. It's up to the people who read the reviews to identify the aspects of a game they like. There will always be issues, since certain design decisions collide with each other (for example instanced PvP with open world PvP). There is no perfect game out there, we just need to find for ourselves what fits best our tastes. For this purpose these forum boards are not a very good indicator, since they tend to inflate both the good features and the bad ones. These forums though and this site in general serve its purpose. The purpose being to shed some light on the alternative MMOs available. People don't come here when they are happy with their MMO. Even I wouldn't be posting if I wasn't doing this from work. People come here to search on alternatives. And since a good deal of people leave the more popular MMOs, it's only natural for both the people and this site to try and address this need. You find it suspicious. I find it natural. |
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Originally posted by bloodaxes
Since I showed you the the average 18 % (!) difference in ratings above (coming from as much a 65 professional reviews and sites), I do think my personal opinion on WOW is meaningless here. I am being backed up by the majority of rating sites. Mmorpg.com is biased as was clearly shown by the average numbers above. They should include a paragraph in their header: "looking for an alternative to play WOW as an mmorpg.com." But no longer worthy of the name mmorpg.com as such. So I ask you : who owns mmorgp.com ? The argue of ... "your personal opinion" is worthless in this case. Because I ask a very fundamental question which is clearly shown by this sites official behaviour toward certain games ... in view of what the rest of the web publishes.
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Originally posted by Zorndorf Since I showed you the the average 18 % (!) difference in ratings above (coming from as much a 65 professional reviews and sites), I do think my personal opinion is meaningless here. I am being backed up by the majority of rating sites. Mmorpg.com is biased as was clearly shown by the average numbers above. They should include a paragraph in their header: "looking for an alternative to play WOW as an mmorpg.com." But no longer worthy of the name mmorpg.com as such. So I ask you : who owns mmorgp.com ? Who cares who owns mmorpg they can review how they want you won't change their opinion it's an opinion. No one forces you to read them you can always check that "uber" site you keep on mentioning since it''s giving wow great reviews and stick to wow sections. The amount of trolls that attack other games other then wow is very bigger then the ones that go in wow section to flame.
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Anyone got an idea who owns mmorpg.com ?
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People should know by now not to trust ratings, they are "generally" correct what I mean by this is, while most reviewers and reviewing websites and mags will be biased one way or another, money, personal interest etc... there is some sort of general rating you can look at, the trick is not to look at one source but look at as many available thats why metacritic is so good, because it sums up all of the available reviews to give you a more realistic picture of whats going on. Another tip is to not rely on reviews until maybe a month or two after release then look at metacritic for a sum up, all of these reviews released now are BULLSHIT wether they say good or bad the reviewers are still clamped onto their initial mindset it being "its a korean grinder" or "this game is the best thing since sliced bread" we are all human after all and I highly doubt the MMORPG.com reviewer or the Eurogamer reviewer or any other review that has been released so far has any sort of superhuman ability to abstract themselves from the "in love" phase every single gamer suffers when they start playing a new game, this is easy to test really just think of how many games you started playing and thought they were awesome only to feel bored and disapointed the next day, week or month if this never happened to you, congratulations you come from another planet.
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Originally posted by Zorndorf
I don't know who owns mmorpg.com. But is it really a suprise to you people dont' like wow here? People are here in general because we dont' want to play wow. Because if we are happy with wow, we don't need to be here. If you make a post if anyone like wow in this forum, most likely all you get is bashing on how terrible wow is. It's like trying to buy an encyclopedia in a comic book store. There isn't anything wrong with wow, it just happens most people here don't like wow. If you really care so much on who runs this site, there's info at the buttom of the webiste and how to contact them. They also says if you disagree with the score, you can contact them through an email, read teh faq. |
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Originally posted by laokoko
I am not even talking about people who visit this site and post on forums. I am talking about a website called www.mmorpg.com and clearly is giving official biased reviews on Wow compared to a new flashy game that simply ... is NOT being backed up by the world outside (a 18% difference on ... average for 65+ reviews/sites is NOT nothing). This is fundamental. I am not even talking about the forums. So no one knows who owns the official mmorpg.com name apparently.
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Originally posted by Zorndorf
If you really care so much on who runs this site, there's info at the buttom of the webiste and how to contact them. They also says if you disagree with the score, you can contact them through an email, read teh faq. Here is also a link on how to become a staff or reviewer. http://www.mmorpg.com/opportunities.cfm Everything looks pretty legit to me. And it's not so much of a surprise wow receive such a low score. Everyone in this forum dont' like wow much. It's not a big surprise a reviewer happens to give wow a low score. Lastly, if you felt the reviewer is biased, you shouldn't attach that feeling to this website as a whole. Since well, the reviewer is just a random person. It's not the site which gave the review, it's a random person. |
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Lets crucify the infidels for speaking bad about our saviour MMO, WoW. How dare they post a review that's not a carbon copy of all reviews you can find in the internet? Burn them I say. To the stake!!!! |
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Originally posted by Zorndorf
I am not even talking about people who visit this site and post on forums. I am talking about a website called www.mmorpg.com and clearly is giving official biased reviews on Wow compared to a new flashy game that simply ... is NOT being backed up by the world outside (a 18% difference on ... average for 65+ reviews/sites is NOT nothing). This is fundamental. I am not even talking about the forums. So no one knows who owns the official mmorpg.com name apparently.
It might be, depends on the distribution. Before you write anything more, calculate the std. dev. of the reviews of the games you are quoting. Unless mmorpg.com's ratings consistently lies outside 2 std. dev.'s they are not truly biased. If they are inside 1, they are not biased at all. |
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Originally posted by laokoko People slag WoW off because they think it gives them some MMO Cred. Yeah, right. Many of them will have played it and liked it, some probably still do but won't admit it. Truthfully, we get the games we deserve, and we only have ourselves to blame. After YEARS of multiple threads & posts about MMOs with boring, antiquated quests; stale, warmed-over content; cliched levelling system and how much everyone hates and despises the MMO companies for continually foisting the same old crap on us - we get yet more of the same old crap in the form of Aion. ...and all the whiners just lap it up because it seems new and shiny. Until they wise up. Again. |
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i gave up on aion i wanted to play the game soo bad and i saved alittle money to start it but and im not joking i download the game like >5< times and the download was super slow and i mean slow it took me a day just to end it and in every time it got to 99% 100% it said there was an error and it deleted everything all the 6gb the 9gb of the 1.5 1.3 i dont want to play aion anymore after all that... |
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Originally posted by Ozmodan
There's the Dregion carrier and Dark Poeta instance for end game content and still have the upper and middle abyss to still conquer. Currently playing: Aion Played: L2 RFO EvE R.O.S.E EQ2 HellGate:London TRIBES2 WOW WarHammer |
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Zorndorf stop being a hater and do something useful please. Your trolling of anything Aion has become worse then ever and just makes you look foolish to most of us. Yes there are people who dislike what Aion does or does not bring, SO WHAT. Those of us who do enjoy it think it is a well thought out game, and just because it was given a great score of 8.7 does not mean anything to most who do play it. Considering that it does better than WoW did when it started means crap to those of us that like what we play. Just because it does not play like WoW of today does not mean it is a crap game, hell i can say WoW has some crappy game play in the 8 months i have played it. Aion as a whole is a really good game and despite your inefficent use of x-fire numbers and attempt of use of reviews trying to state that Aion's game play should be less is completely idiotic at best, just let it go and move on dude. To the OP: Maybe Aion is just a different play style than your currently used to. So far i have seen them attempt to limit the gold spam with some effectiveness and they have banned some of the bots that i have reported, so i am seeing some progress on NCWest's part to deal with the problems. As far as queue's, there is none, for lag they are looking into what is the cause. For the EU servers, they seem to be at least a week behind us with problems getting resolved, but that is just my opinion. Currently playing: Aion Played: L2 RFO EvE R.O.S.E EQ2 HellGate:London TRIBES2 WOW WarHammer |
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Originally posted by Zorndorf
Since I showed you the the average 18 % (!) difference in ratings above (coming from as much a 65 professional reviews and sites), I do think my personal opinion on WOW is meaningless here. I am being backed up by the majority of rating sites. Mmorpg.com is biased as was clearly shown by the average numbers above. They should include a paragraph in their header: "looking for an alternative to play WOW as an mmorpg.com." But no longer worthy of the name mmorpg.com as such. So I ask you : who owns mmorgp.com ? The argue of ... "your personal opinion" is worthless in this case. Because I ask a very fundamental question which is clearly shown by this sites official behaviour toward certain games ... in view of what the rest of the web publishes.
Why do you still post here then? start posting on a site that rates WoW higher then Aion.
Good bye
And in my opinion Aion is better then WoW at launch yes. |
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This game and a few others were the reason I quit playing MMORPGs. It doesnt seem that new innovations are being discussed or though out. Every developer is just trying to keep up with WOW, which is the wrong approach. I thought that Champions probably did the best job of differentiating itself from the "standard" MMO of today, but it failed miserably with it's linearity and lack of content. That brings me to my other point. Something I just dont understand about Aion...maybe someone can clear this up for me? They've had a year to fix any content gaps or xp tweaks....they've had 1 year to mask the generic feel of the game and they've had 1 year to implement patches that could fix many of the problems being discussed on these forums and probably many others, yet they didnt...Why? If they had as many subs as stated in the East, then it couldn't have been a lack of funding. I really think that the biggest problems with all MMORPG developers today is budget planning. If you don't have the money, don't make the game. If you do have the money, allocate efficiently, set goals and understand that you'll need a COMPLETE work in order to satisfy a sufficient amount of gamers in order to make back the money you spent developing the game. You'd think that this "formula" for budgeting has already been created seeing as several games have come into exhistence showing this same problem everytime, but it's just one big revolving door. For any developer currently making an MMORPG, I have some tips for you so that you dont fall in the same trap (although the trap is gigantic and can only be missed with your eyes closed) Questing - make sure it's fluid, plentiful, diverse and work to make it intuitive. The game world - make multiple non-instanced zones (20+) and ensure that the game can bring a different experience everytime you create a new character. ****Don't make it seem too "real" I play games to escape reality...I think that was AoC's major problem...graphics are amazing, but game is too real looking...not enough "larger than life" feel to it. PVP - realize whether this will be your bread and butter or the step-brother...realize that if it is the step-brother, it is uneccessary and unwarranted to re-balance classes in the name of making PVP more balanced. Instanced Dungeons - MAKE THESE!! Make sure they are challenging and that they dont resemble quest grinding that you'd be doing outside the instance. End-game - RAIDS!!! PVP SYSTEM, not just PVP, INSTANCED DUNGEONS, REPUTATION GAINING, CRAFTING LOL...can you tell im not a developer? Yeah, thought so...very vague suggestions. But, I think you get the point. We all know that these should be in a game...why can't dev's do it? Why does every game fail at this? Doesnt make any sense to me. Now onto Aion...this game really lacks effort, imo. What I mean by effort is this: Why do all the crafting nodes respawn in the same place? Why do most mobs respawn right where you killed the last one? Why can't you swim? Why can't you fly anywhere? Why must you grind out so many levels later on? Why are gold-spammers and botters so prevelant? Because this game was gonna make it's name off of beautiful graphics, One PVP zone and a combo system that is not actually new at all. LOTRO has the same system (only in Aion there is only a chance the next combo move will pop). This is what they hoped would please the crowwd...this is what they doubled down on while failing to worry about the other aspects. It's a fail Momma always said that even the prettiest piece of poo still smelled like sh%t
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