Originally posted by alocer

I must say, I check this site all the time for early reviews of MMOs, I have been trying to replace SWG since way back when they butchered it.  I have played everything and leveled to end game, some grinds, well most grinds since none of them had any purpose mid game.  Only Conan I think as of late gave you armor that didn't look terrible until end game, till now.

I waited for 6 weeks to install my Collectors edition of AION.  I waited because I was scared of playing another epic peice of crap or a mainstream copycat.

Aion deserved the 8.7, I noticed right away, a friendly targeting system, UI, Map, and lack of bugs.  Conan was horrid the first few months, as was wow, and a few others.  Actually Wow still cannot fix its bugs, it's to busy copying anything someone else comes up with, I am surprised they are not giving wings out yet tbh.

Aside from that, people that buy a game to get it finished need to quit playing, leveling is a big part of the game, adn the fact you are involved at 25 in the war, its great, its not like your showing your lvl to anyone, so its always a geuss of how the fight will go.  I think this game has a good shelf life compared to the others as of late.  I mean Monster companies like EA, Sony, etc have released garbage and people still played it, these guys pushed out a good clean product, yes with some issues at release, but overall a good game, and people still need to troll on it.

People are too worried about comparing it to previous games or current games and not just trying the game itself, try it, its worth the money ... i mean I blow 90 bux on ps3 games only to quit playing them in a month.

I can agree that NCsoft makes good games (bugs and thats stuff), but hey, do you really enjoy that in order to progress in the game you have to only kill and kill and kill mobs? Quests are insignificant, you get more xp killing mobs than actually doing the quests, and you have more chances of getting something cool droped by the mob instead of using the crap the quest gives you.

Another thing, doing pvp is nice, but having to look over your shoulder all the time, because grifers and pk are hunting you, makes it a pain in the ass, specially now that they can fall from the sky.

And i am sorry, i will say it again, this shouldn't be called AION, it should be called Lineage 3. Please do me a favor and look for info of Lineage 2, you will see that the classes you can play are the same, exactly the same. The game is actually the same, the only thing is that they make it prettier.

I am sorry, this game is all about pvp and graphics, and that only shouldn't give that high of a score.

For a game that is ranked to be the best mmorpg to have ever seen the light of day, I would have expected a review that was a bit more inspired and detailed. Instead this review was slightly boring and way to short to do the best game ever any justice.

Originally posted by donjoe
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And i am sorry, i will say it again, this shouldn't be called AION, it should be called Lineage 3. Please do me a favor and look for info of Lineage 2, you will see that the classes you can play are the same, exactly the same. The game is actually the same, the only thing is that they make it prettier.

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I suppose it's easy to get confused if your observations are based only on screenshots. There are similarities between the two games (art direction, use of special effects), but there are also fundamental differences. If you want to look for a spiritual successor of L2, you should probably look towards Tera.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by Gameloading

I didn't say it was a distinguishing factor, I said it's a reason why people play a game like Aion instead of games like Final Fantasy XI or Lotro. It takes aspects of other mmorpgs and puts them in a different environment.

While the concept is the same, the execution is different because fighting players is very different from fighting mobs.

One thing to remember, DAoC had combat combos long before any other MMO and was designed to be pvp.    A smart pvp player can easily disrupt such combo's which I agree makes the combat in pvp very different than pve. 

All Aion has done is basically copy from other MMO's.  Only problem with Aion is they forgot to include an end game which many of the people playing will soon find out, but at least it will provide them with a few months enjoyment.

The game is both a PVP and a PVE dungeon endgame.  A lot of new content was added in patch 1.5, which went live at release.

One, it is a known fact that two faction pvp does not work in an end game situation.  Aion will prove no different despite their efforts to attempt to balance factions on each shard.  Secondly, there is not much point to the pvp.

At the moment the end game content for pve is very limited.  True they will eventually add some, but it is not even close to what the competitors offer. 

Beyond pretty eye candy this game offers very little to keep players playing besides the opportunities to run alts through the same leveling grind.

Anyone who thinks this game deserves a 8.7 needs to get their head out of the sand and explore the genre.  This game has almost no innovation in it at all.   The bot and gold seller problems alone drop this game to around 7 and past experience tells us that NCSoft has not been inclined to fix that problem.

Hey, I am not saying it is not a fun game to play, there are many doing so, but my point is that sooner than later you are going to be very bored with your current character.

The current point of PvP (since the majority is still levelling) is keeping the other side from gaining a foothold in the Abyss. Already in my casual guild the people are annoyed when the other side gains a castle and are willing to help whichever Asmodean guild goes after said castle. We've been feeling pumped up when we owned all the castles last week and rather down when this week people didn't put as much effort in organising the attack and we lost them all.

I think Elyos are generally more organised in my server. Or it's maybe the greener grass mentality taking over.

Originally posted by Stikato

Why do certain people have such a difficult time accepting the fact that people are enjoying AION? I hate WoW, but I don't doubt that its a good game that is enjoyed by many. Typical AION discussion: 

AION player: "I like AION"

Hater: "Why? Its nothing different. Explain why you like it. Why is it better than X Y or Z? Did you know its Korean? I heard there was a grind"

AION player: "I still like AION"

Hater: "You must be a Noob/Retard/Carebear/Shill"

AION player: <Leaves thread, plays AION>

Hater: "I win! He left the thread, lol" 

Add in a favorable MMORPG.com review.. voila...30 page thread of this crap, and people complaining about the website. If you don't like the game, and you don't like the website.....uh...maybe find something else to do?

 

you went definitely wrong here, because:

the discussion is not about a "favourable review" of aion, it is about telling us that aion is the best mmorpg that has ever been developed.

THIS is exactely what many feel is so much offside that the whole credit of this site is questioned.

Considering the mass produced pro ncsoft stuff this same "reviewer" has published, its understandable that there is a healthy discussion!

PS: until now i have not seen the "reviewer" to join the discussion and explain the rating more detailed to us -> why?

Originally posted by thanith

Originally posted by Stikato

Why do certain people have such a difficult time accepting the fact that people are enjoying AION? I hate WoW, but I don't doubt that its a good game that is enjoyed by many. Typical AION discussion: 

AION player: "I like AION"

Hater: "Why? Its nothing different. Explain why you like it. Why is it better than X Y or Z? Did you know its Korean? I heard there was a grind"

AION player: "I still like AION"

Hater: "You must be a Noob/Retard/Carebear/Shill"

AION player: <Leaves thread, plays AION>

Hater: "I win! He left the thread, lol" 

Add in a favorable MMORPG.com review.. voila...30 page thread of this crap, and people complaining about the website. If you don't like the game, and you don't like the website.....uh...maybe find something else to do?

 

 

you went definitely wrong here, because:

the discussion is not about a "favourable review" of aion, it is about telling us that aion is the best mmorpg that has ever been developed.

THIS is exactely what many feel is so much offside that the whole credit of this site is questioned.

Considering the mass produced pro ncsoft stuff this same "reviewer" has published, its understandable that there is a healthy discussion!

PS: until now i have not seen the "reviewer" to join the discussion and explain the rating more detailed to us -> why?

Maybe because he doesnt feel that he as to explain his opinion about the game he reviewed to a group of haters QQ'ing a bout Aion being the highest rated review on this site.

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by thanith

Originally posted by Stikato

Why do certain people have such a difficult time accepting the fact that people are enjoying AION? I hate WoW, but I don't doubt that its a good game that is enjoyed by many. Typical AION discussion: 

AION player: "I like AION"

Hater: "Why? Its nothing different. Explain why you like it. Why is it better than X Y or Z? Did you know its Korean? I heard there was a grind"

AION player: "I still like AION"

Hater: "You must be a Noob/Retard/Carebear/Shill"

AION player: <Leaves thread, plays AION>

Hater: "I win! He left the thread, lol" 

Add in a favorable MMORPG.com review.. voila...30 page thread of this crap, and people complaining about the website. If you don't like the game, and you don't like the website.....uh...maybe find something else to do?

 

 

you went definitely wrong here, because:

the discussion is not about a "favourable review" of aion, it is about telling us that aion is the best mmorpg that has ever been developed.

THIS is exactely what many feel is so much offside that the whole credit of this site is questioned.

Considering the mass produced pro ncsoft stuff this same "reviewer" has published, its understandable that there is a healthy discussion!

PS: until now i have not seen the "reviewer" to join the discussion and explain the rating more detailed to us -> why?

 

Maybe because he doesnt feel that he as to explain his opinion about the game he reviewed to a group of haters QQ'ing a bout Aion being the highest rated review on this site.

or maybe, like some other poster already pointed out, he needs to grow some balls.

What I love about this whole QQ hater-flame situation is that the people flaming Aion (no, I havn't played it. No, I don't have an opinion.) will be hyping up the next game, or saying how much they love it when it comes out, and then somebody will come along from another game and say their game is shitty. Then, we restart this entire shit thread with an entire role-reversal until another game comes out for people to bash or glorify.

Honestly, it's absolutely amazing how nobody can pick up on this Deja-vu feeling.

Average reviews of Wotlk on the web by dozens of professional reviewers:

92.46 % (WOW 91.71)  http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/942519-world-of-warcraft-wrath-of-the-lich-king/index.html

Average review of Aion on the web by professinal reviewers:

81.54 % http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/932526-aion/index.html

WOW rated on mmorpg.com 81%
Aion rated on mmorpg.com 87% (all time highest for mmorpg.com and written by an author who plastered the complete internet with Aion fan reviews - see before in this thread).

A difference of 18% on average between mmorpg.com and "the complete world" which shows the true nature of mmorpg.com  ...

Enough said.

Or like X said in another thread: "Of course mmorpg.com reviews are biased towards anything new against WOW".

Just as if this Korean...  will give you better games in the future.....

You misquoted me or misunderstood me.

Yes, this site is focused on alternatives to what people were playing up to that point. That's why people are coming on this site. They don't come to hear praises about their favourite MMO (well, unless they are insecure). They come here to find alternatives when they get bored.

In this context and because WoW is popular and therefore will have the highest amount of people leaving it out of boredom, it is natural that the site will try to promote alternatives to this game. Most people coming here will be WoW burnouts (which is easy to understand from some comments against WoW), who are looking for something different. This site is catering to the need for differentiation.

There is nothing wrong with that. If you want to find the most popular brand, there are a gazillion other sites that do that. If you want to find alternatives, you come to this corner of the MMO world.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Average reviews of Wotlk on the web by dozens of professional reviewers:

92.46 % (WOW 91.71)  http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/942519-world-of-warcraft-wrath-of-the-lich-king/index.html

Average review of Aion on the web by professinal reviewers:

81.54 % http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/932526-aion/index.html

WOW rated on mmorpg.com 81%
Aion rated on mmorpg.com 87% (all time highest for mmorpg.com and written by an author who plastered the complete internet with Aion fan reviews - see before in this thread).

A difference of 18% on average between mmorpg.com and "the complete world" which shows the true nature of mmorpg.com  ...

Enough said.

Or like X said in another thread: "Of course mmorpg.com reviews are biased towards anything new against WOW".

Just as if this Korean...  will give you better games in the future.....

 

To X above: I am NOT talking about posters on mmorpg.vom.it

But actually the above SHOWS the OFFICIAL ratings of the games (not the fan boy posts).

Any comments on them, because these are supposed to be OFFICIAL tracked mmorpg.com ratings.

Did you actually quoted yourself on purpose? Do you know what that reminded me of?

Don't sweat about it overmuch. Our opinion and this site is but a blip in the whole MMO world.

Official? lol seriously?

Please stay on the wow section or go on wow's forums.

I think Aion is a nice polished game, but without bringing something innovative to the table, I think 8.7 score is too high. Especially compared to the other scores on this website.

So I guess that on this site, polish gets rated higher then innovation, replayability or diversity? That seems a little shallow imo. After all, its "A mostly standard MMO" . After reading the review I expected a 7 or so, not a score that would rate it the best so far on MMORPG.com .

Actually I have to say a pretty fair and good review! 

Dont know why people think 8.7 is too high... I have to say my whole guild and me are having a blast with this game and are already heading into the 41+ ! Actually I think he could have written a bit more about the crafting system because if you really take some time to master it you have to realise that its actually very well thought out and has a real meaning in this game, not l ike others!

If you combine all the little details and polishing of this game it really deserves to stand out of the masses of all the many and crappy MMOs these days...

Oh and maybe its not the highest of innovations (even though if you really start to get used to the tactical combat with your limited flight time and the abyss etc. its really something new!), but definately a really fun and good game.

Originally posted by LordDevil

Actually I have to say a pretty fair and good review! 

Dont know why people think 8.7 is too high... I have to say my whole guild and me are having a blast with this game and are already heading into the 41+ ! Actually I think he could have written a bit more about the crafting system because if you really take some time to master it you have to realise that its actually very well thought out and has a real meaning in this game, not l ike others!

If you combine all the little details and polishing of this game it really deserves to stand out of the masses of all the many and crappy MMOs these days...

Oh and maybe its not the highest of innovations (even though if you really start to get used to the tactical combat with your limited flight time and the abyss etc. its really something new!), but definately a really fun and good game.

Well, seeing all the cheaters and botters in this game. It pretty much destroys the 8.7 in my view.

A game can be great and fun to play. But the moment it gets overrun by cheaters and botters. The fun and enjoyment ends real quick.

Especially in a highly competitive PVP game like AION.

Cheers

Originally posted by someforumguy

I think Aion is a nice polished game, but without bringing something innovative to the table, I think 8.7 score is too high. Especially compared to the other scores on this website.

So I guess that on this site, polish gets rated higher then innovation, replayability or diversity? That seems a little shallow imo. After all, its "A mostly standard MMO" . After reading the review I expected a 7 or so, not a score that would rate it the best so far on MMORPG.com .

That's the crux of many people's problems with the review. Of course, you have to weed through all the hyper-defensive retorts from the rabid fans trying to spin it into "hate for Aion" so they can dismiss it and bash the posters, instead of dealing with the actual issue.

Most aren't even saying "it's a crappy game". People who play the game are even saying that given what's said in the review about it, and their first-hand experience with it, that the score seems way too high. They're questioning whether it deserves the highest score ever given to a MMO on this site. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that; it's a valid question.

Yet, it's driving many of the fanboys crazy that people would even dare question the unmitigated might of their (current) favorite MMO... so they're going into full on spin mode attempting to twist it into "people hating on and bashing Aion" (the first tactic used by many rabid fans - for any MMO - against any criticism about anything to do with the game in question).

Sadly, that's all too typical around here. Some people defend their preferred MMO as though they were protecting their only child from rock-wielding bullies on a playground.

Originally posted by Frostbite05

Originally posted by Demz2

Seems like a populist review to appease the rampant fanbois on this site.  8.7 plz dont make me laugh.

 

Do enlighten us on how the game doesn't deserve that. Think about it for a sec its the first good game since lotro.

/agree

...though Aion didn't really float my boat when I tried it; a bit too cutesy anime for my taste.  Certainly can't be denied that it's a quality product, though.

Yet another game to prove that quality and content trumps "innovation" pretty much every time.  That's why we don't reinvent the rules for football every year.

Seems like a good enough review, still trying to gather information on this game to see whether it is worth the time/money. I hope that the PvP in the game is not so imposing that it could make doing raids inconvenient. That would be a deal breaker for me.

I think over 300 comments speak for themselves.

SEAN BULGER MAKE A FRIGGIN COMMENT ON THE FORUM ALREADY.

This will only be a round-about discussion back and forth until the person who wrote the review gives us some comments.

If you cant handle forum backlash on a review YOU wrote then you shouldnt review a game man.

EPIC FAIL - He has every reason to explain to us why this is the #1 reviewed MMO on the site, and if it truly is worthy, then it should be easy right?

Does it really truly matter?  people act as if he killed one of their family members, that is whats EPIC FAIL.

Does it really truly matter?...... Then why are you posting?

Originally posted by Player_420

Does it really truly matter?...... Then why are you posting?

To you it seems so, but to him it does not. Take it for it's value or not, play it because you like it or find another game to peak your intrest.