My guild updated the chart for exp needed for level 45-50

you need 531,520,000 exp needed just for level 45-50. 

WTG!

I dont think i will reroll anymore lol. I am going to stick to playing main cleric, and i dont plan on having another level 50 anymore. i am kind of sick grinding\ already.

Honestly that doesnt tell me anything.  Ya that is a big number, but in context with what?  I mean if you need 365+ mil xp from 45-50 and your getting 1 xp per kill and 10 xp per quest, then ya that is a hell of a grind.  But then again if you need 365+ mil and your getting 500k xp per kill and 1 mil+ xp per quest then no that really aint that bad of a grind.

So just giving out an arbitrary number for xp needed doesnt really show anything unless you put it in context.

Are you calaculating using Incremental XP need per level, or just using total XP and subtracting it from Quest XP ?

yes that is the total amount you need to get from level 45-50. im adding the increments as well.

Can you imagine whaT THE NBEW LEVEL CAP WOULD BE FROM 50-60? crazy.

Originally posted by MLecl0001

Honestly that doesnt tell me anything.  Ya that is a big number, but in context with what?  I mean if you need 365+ mil xp from 45-50 and your getting 1 xp per kill and 10 xp per quest, then ya that is a hell of a grind.  But then again if you need 365+ mil and your getting 500k xp per kill and 1 mil+ xp per quest then no that really aint that bad of a grind.

 

So just giving out an arbitrary number for xp needed doesnt really show anything unless you put it in context.

We have a winner!

I absolutely agree. People keep brining up "amount of xp to ..." but that means nothing when we dont' know how much xp you will get from quests and mobs and the small bit from crafting and pvp.

And as mob xp goes up as you change areas, especially in the abyss, then that really isn't as bad as it sounds.

As it is, with some hard playing, I've gotten 1-26 in 6 days on a second character. That's slightly more than half way to cap.

This game is alot like lineage 2 then WOW.

This game's grind curve is somewhat similiar to lineage 2 because right now it is only 1-50.... Imagine 50-60 level curve its insane!!!!!

I refuse to roll an alternative character and level it to max and hum yea no fucking wonder there are tons of bot. Gold sellers and bot players alike flooding this game. This game is alot liek lineage 2 where as lineage2 you have to levle up to 85.

Here is some context

Level 40 XP required 42 million

Level 40 mobs 25k xp a kill

1600 mob kills to get to level 41

1 mob kill a min on avg

20-25 hours of grinding

And this is just 40-41....I know at 50 its 140 million or so from 49-50, but no idea on even level mob xp is.

Originally posted by Furor

This game is alot like lineage 2 then WOW.

This game's grind curve is somewhat similiar to lineage 2 because right now it is only 1-50.... Imagine 50-60 level curve its insane!!!!!

I refuse to roll an alternative character and level it to max and hum yea no fucking wonder there are tons of bot. Gold sellers and bot players alike flooding this game. This game is alot liek lineage 2 where as lineage2 you have to levle up to 85.

 

It took about a year of dedicated playing to reach the cap level in Lineage 2.

It took the first 2 people to reach the cap in Aion in just two weeks.

Yeah, very similar...

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Furor

This game is alot like lineage 2 then WOW.

This game's grind curve is somewhat similiar to lineage 2 because right now it is only 1-50.... Imagine 50-60 level curve its insane!!!!!

I refuse to roll an alternative character and level it to max and hum yea no fucking wonder there are tons of bot. Gold sellers and bot players alike flooding this game. This game is alot liek lineage 2 where as lineage2 you have to levle up to 85.

 

 

It took about a year of dedicated playing to reach the cap level in Lineage 2.

It took the first 2 people to reach the cap in Aion in just two weeks.

Yeah, very similar...

you mean it took the first two group-accounts two weeks.

 It amazes me people are surprised that there is a grind in a NCSoft game of all things. Did everyone really expect WOW 1.5 with wings here? I think so and I think the hype brought in folks who otherwise wouldnt have looked at the game anyways. Grind is good in some ways as it avoids end game burnout and gives time for content. It also in someways builds communities. However from a purely economic standpoint it sucks because it runs off all the OMG I have no time to catch up crowd.

Originally posted by parrotpholk

 However from a purely economic standpoint it sucks because it runs off all the OMG I have no time to catch up crowd.

Eh, long as enough stay for them to still put an effort into fixing problematic areas in the game and adding content I'm perfectly content iwth the "OMG I have no time to catch up crowd" moving on so technically that's still a positive to me : P

Just kidding though, I get what you mean.

Originally posted by TheNitewolf

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Furor

This game is alot like lineage 2 then WOW.

This game's grind curve is somewhat similiar to lineage 2 because right now it is only 1-50.... Imagine 50-60 level curve its insane!!!!!

I refuse to roll an alternative character and level it to max and hum yea no fucking wonder there are tons of bot. Gold sellers and bot players alike flooding this game. This game is alot liek lineage 2 where as lineage2 you have to levle up to 85.

 

 

It took about a year of dedicated playing to reach the cap level in Lineage 2.

It took the first 2 people to reach the cap in Aion in just two weeks.

Yeah, very similar...

you mean it took the first two group-accounts two weeks.

no it actually took the first two people.

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Originally posted by parrotpholk
 It amazes me people are surprised that there is a grind in a NCSoft game of all things. Did everyone really expect WOW 1.5 with wings here? I think so and I think the hype brought in folks who otherwise wouldnt have looked at the game anyways. Grind is good in some ways as it avoids end game burnout and gives time for content. It also in someways builds communities. However from a purely economic standpoint it sucks because it runs off all the OMG I have no time to catch up crowd.

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I started MMO's with the original EverQuest.

These people have no idea what a real grind is like.

Originally posted by EyeballAion

Here is some context

 

Level 40 XP required 42 million

Level 40 mobs 25k xp a kill

1600 mob kills to get to level 41

1 mob kill a min on avg

20-25 hours of grinding

 

And this is just 40-41....I know at 50 its 140 million or so from 49-50, but no idea on even level mob xp is.

 

 

 

What kind of horrible mobs are you grinding?

At level 33 I get 21k xp per kill from level 35 mobs.

Originally posted by EyeballAion

Here is some context

 

Level 40 XP required 42 million

Level 40 mobs 25k xp a kill

1600 mob kills to get to level 41

1 mob kill a min on avg

20-25 hours of grinding

 

And this is just 40-41....I know at 50 its 140 million or so from 49-50, but no idea on even level mob xp is.

 

 

 

This is complete bull, at level 40 killing normal mobs your own level (almost any type, but some abyss mobs give higher exp) gives you 40k xp per kill.

On average a normal mob you slaughter in 30 secs max (the max is for templars, rangers/sins go through mobs much quicker). There is no downtime for alchemists using pots and for those without pots the downtime is nonetheless minimal.

As well as the choice of grp grinding in which you get 300k/6 = 50k xp per mob, and those elites go down quickly with the right group (this is from Kaidan HQ). Finally if you are a sorc or a Ranger you can solo elites and well get the 300k xp per kill every 4-5 mins including downtime, which amounts to about 3.3 mill xp per hour and 41mill/3.3 mill = about 12 hours.

So your so called "context" is totally made up and untrue.

Haha, I wonder what you'd say if you actually maxed a character in Lineage 2.

Silkroad, L2   <<< Now that's hardcore.

In silkroad you had to kill 4000 mob's just to finish 1 dam quest  that would give you a whopping 0.05% EXP !!  Also there was 2 types of grind,  one was for EXP and the other was for Skill Points......whoever made that dam game was out of his mind.

^^everyone is in such a rush to get to max cap for any game these day's^^

Originally posted by stayontarget

Silkroad, L2   <<< Now that's hardcore.

In silkroad you had to kill 4000 mob's just to finish 1 dam quest  that would give you a whopping 0.05% EXP !!  Also there was 2 types of grind,  one was for EXP and the other was for Skill Points......whoever made that dam game was out of his mind.

^^everyone is in such a rush to get to max cap for any game these day's^^

Because most want to do pvp not, pve and no much point playing pvp without max level or at lower than the opponents.

Originally posted by Richijefe

... at level 40 killing normal mobs your own level (almost any type, but some abyss mobs give higher exp) gives you 40k xp per kill.

On average a normal mob you slaughter in 30 secs max (the max is for templars, rangers/sins go through mobs much quicker). There is no downtime for alchemists using pots and for those without pots the downtime is nonetheless minimal.

As well as the choice of grp grinding in which you get 300k/6 = 50k xp per mob, and those elites go down quickly with the right group (this is from Kaidan HQ). Finally if you are a sorc or a Ranger you can solo elites and well get the 300k xp per kill every 4-5 mins including downtime, which amounts to about 3.3 mill xp per hour and 41mill/3.3 mill = about 12 hours.

If this is true, then, as a casual gamer and oft slow leveler, I am even more optimistic about the road ahead.

EQ >> FFXI >> Aion.

The grind in this game is really insignificant, unless you only ever played WoW.

The eventual AP grind is another matter altogther though.. Yep Lineage 2.5 (which is a good thing IMO)

Originally posted by Lowdos

EQ >> FFXI >> Aion.

Uhm, EQ had actual content, it only had a grind at later levels a bit and people still had fun.

Forcing your way to lvl 50 in Aion would be like hitting your head against a brick wall and convincing other players you're having fun. In reality, you're addicted to a lame solo grind.

Oh well, that kind of xp to level would be acceptable if there were a handful of dungeons to do at the same time and a fair bit of variety in zones and mobs. But Aion is lacking in all these respects. There is also a huge competitive PvP element to the game which makes levelling fast seem like a necessity as anybody higher level will resist your attacks and just wipe the floor with you. So basically levelling in this game is no fun at all.

EQ and FF11 were pure PvE games, so at least you could level at your own pace with no pressure, even though that kind of grind is outdated these days. Even pure PvE games with that kind of grind hardly exist anymore in the western market.

Originally posted by parrotpholk

 It amazes me people are surprised that there is a grind in a NCSoft game of all things. Did everyone really expect WOW 1.5 with wings here? I think so and I think the hype brought in folks who otherwise wouldnt have looked at the game anyways. Grind is good in some ways as it avoids end game burnout and gives time for content. It also in someways builds communities. However from a purely economic standpoint it sucks because it runs off all the OMG I have no time to catch up crowd.

How willing some are to put complete faith in NCSoft to seriously and consistently deal with botters/RMT in Aion tells me that many aren't very familiar with how they roll in their own in-house MMOs (ie. Lineage 1 and 2). So, they wouldn't be familiar with the grind in those MMOs either.

Not their fault. "The NCSoft Treatment" is something you sorta need to experience for yourself. Merely describing it just doesn't quite cut it. Someone who posts on these threads - I won't name names, but they should know who they are - has stated on many occasions that NC maintains a very arrogant stance with their customers... and they're right. They'll do a lot of talking and PR, and throw their customers a cookie now and again... Ultimately, they really don't give a crap what their subscribers think or say.