Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by xanphia

Which companies? Wal-Mart? Target?

They may ask for you to pay for healthcare but they will deny you just like insurance companies.

Time for some people to unionize...

 

The insurance companies are raising their prices, it is getting passed on to ALL companies. Being an employer myself, I am being left with 2 choices here. Either 1. let some people go in order to offset the costs, or 2 raise the amount paid by employees.

I do not think you understand the impact this is having on our small businesses as well.  All that putting more pressure on businesses on the brink of bankruptcy does is push them over the edge.

I guess some people feel having no job is better than having one, because all of these burdens you place on businesses is running them out of business all together.

Not all companies need to offer healthcare to their workers. So I'm not sure where you are coming from. Even if they do, some companies won't pay out. I'm assuming your a small business. I'm not sure on the small business laws. I do know corporation wise the standard operating procedures. I'm sure also State regulation plays a large part.

Originally posted by xanphia

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by xanphia

Which companies? Wal-Mart? Target?

They may ask for you to pay for healthcare but they will deny you just like insurance companies.

Time for some people to unionize...

 

The insurance companies are raising their prices, it is getting passed on to ALL companies. Being an employer myself, I am being left with 2 choices here. Either 1. let some people go in order to offset the costs, or 2 raise the amount paid by employees.

I do not think you understand the impact this is having on our small businesses as well.  All that putting more pressure on businesses on the brink of bankruptcy does is push them over the edge.

I guess some people feel having no job is better than having one, because all of these burdens you place on businesses is running them out of business all together.

 

Not all companies need to offer healthcare to their workers. So I'm not sure where you are coming from. Even if they do, some companies won't pay out. I'm assuming your a small business. I'm not sure on the small business laws. I do know corporation wise the standard operating procedures. I'm sure also State regulation plays a large part.

But the unfortunate reality of unions is that all companies are EXPECTED to offer these kinds of benefits now, and with unions they can be essentially forced to regardless of what the law says. This is the problem that was facing the UAW and General Motors. The UAW is such a strong union that they fought for the very best benefits. But now GM can't afford to pay them a competitive wage with foreign car companies, even though the total value of the benefits and current wage is higher than that of the foreign companies. The result is layoffs and outsourcing. It's hard to outsource a grocery store, but I haven't seen more than 3 cashiers on duty at the local wal mart here in months.

Originally posted by zzvicezz

Originally posted by xanphia

 

Him being a constitutional scholar

 

He was a Lecturer.  Don't overdramatize it....his role wasn't that profound. Could even say he went form teacher aide to teacher..honorable but not something to glorify.

Anne Coulter is  Juris Doctor aka Doctor of Jurisprudence

....But I bet you think less of her in terms of educational standing/or LAW then you do of him.

Haters gonna hate.

Originally posted by Draq

Originally posted by xanphia

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by xanphia

Which companies? Wal-Mart? Target?

They may ask for you to pay for healthcare but they will deny you just like insurance companies.

Time for some people to unionize...

 

The insurance companies are raising their prices, it is getting passed on to ALL companies. Being an employer myself, I am being left with 2 choices here. Either 1. let some people go in order to offset the costs, or 2 raise the amount paid by employees.

I do not think you understand the impact this is having on our small businesses as well.  All that putting more pressure on businesses on the brink of bankruptcy does is push them over the edge.

I guess some people feel having no job is better than having one, because all of these burdens you place on businesses is running them out of business all together.

 

Not all companies need to offer healthcare to their workers. So I'm not sure where you are coming from. Even if they do, some companies won't pay out. I'm assuming your a small business. I'm not sure on the small business laws. I do know corporation wise the standard operating procedures. I'm sure also State regulation plays a large part.

 

But the unfortunate reality of unions is that all companies are EXPECTED to offer these kinds of benefits now, and with unions they can be essentially forced to regardless of what the law says. This is the problem that was facing the UAW and General Motors. The UAW is such a strong union that they fought for the very best benefits. But now GM can't afford to pay them a competitive wage with foreign car companies, even though the total value of the benefits and current wage is higher than that of the foreign companies. The result is layoffs and outsourcing. It's hard to outsource a grocery store, but I haven't seen more than 3 cashiers on duty at the local wal mart here in months.

Well, you make some good points. Actually most companies still don't offer simple health insurance to their employees. Wal-Mart and Target and the other large large chains, included.

Unions can't force them to do anything. Unions are there to bargain on behalf of the workers. Collective bargaining.

Depends what car companies you are referring too. In Japan, they don't have unions because the quality of pay and benefits is high. They have no need for unions. It is possible to keep high pay and benefits amidst a tough market. Also, if every company was forced to give benefits to their unions it would level the playing field. Currently, companies aren't forced to give benefits to their employees while some do, thus taking a hit in their overall market share, sometimes. If they were all forced to give some sort of health insurance it would greatly level the playing field with those who already gave great benefits.

Also, good unions know to work with the company. They aren't stupid and know that if they suck too much out the company will go under and they will be out of jobs and the union-out of people to represent. So, in most cases they are willing to take cuts in certain places to ensure the survival of the company.

Originally posted by Enkindu

My health coverage costs already went up 750% while Bush was in office.  What's new?

 

I do agree that what they are trying to do now is going to be disastrous.

 

Half of the people want an airplane, and half of the people want a submarine.  As a compromise they are building a craft that is half half airplane and half submarine.  In any case the people depending on it are going to be in deep shit.

Indeed. You have to love compromise nobody gets what they want, and everyone gets what they don't want.

Socialed medicine or don't even bother. This bill in its current form is fucking worthless. Americans need to pull their heads out of their ass and realize the fundamental concept that healthcare should NOT run by profit seeking megacorps. The rest of the world knows it, but the gun-wielding Wal-Mart trash thats been the vocal minority here is making us look retarded.

Pretty interesting that Iraq and Afghanistan get universal health care on our dime while 45,000 Americans die every year because of a lack of insurance.

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE58G6W520090917

Originally posted by kobie173

Pretty interesting that Iraq and Afghanistan get universal health care on our dime while 45,000 Americans die every year because of a lack of insurance.

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE58G6W520090917

That is actually, VERY, interesting.

Originally posted by zzvicezz

Also more likely that the care was that given by the US military to Iraqi's in need...ignoring that given by the Iraqis to Iraqis, other Allied nations to Iraqi's, general humanitarian care form various sources......and ignoring that now most of its carried out by Iraqis for Iraqis at expense to Iraq.

 

Some people have an interest in portraying Iraq negatively in any manner they can.

 

There is also a difference between providing healthcare to everyone in a nation the size of Oregon with a population of 25 million vs a nation the size of the USA with a population of 400 million.......and the usual point to Europe routine isn't a very good outlet anymore as much of Europe is realizing the socialized states they have been running are bankrupting their nations.

You have any facts on all this or is this all coming from your high intellect?

Originally posted by zzvicezz

Also more likely that the care was that given by the US military to Iraqi's in need...ignoring that given by the Iraqis to Iraqis, other Allied nations to Iraqi's, general humanitarian care form various sources......and ignoring that now most of its carried out by Iraqis for Iraqis at expense to Iraq.

 

Some people have an interest in portraying Iraq negatively in any manner they can.

 

There is also a difference between providing healthcare to everyone in a nation the size of Oregon with a population of 25 million vs a nation the size of the USA with a population of 400 million.......and the usual point to Europe routine isn't a very good outlet anymore as much of Europe is realizing the socialized states they have been running are bankrupting their nations.

Wow you just added like 100 million to the US population...