Originally posted by luciusETRUR

Originally posted by Thunderballs

 

 

you are a bunch of whiny gits..

 

Log on ....block 3-4 spammers ....problem solved..

 

enjoy play

 

 

This would be a great argument.. if the blocklist was unlimited.

You know.. I remember I used to get as excited about people in this thread when NC would show some balls against the RMT in L2. I would defend them against others who said it was only temporary and not to get used to it. After a while, I realized the so-called "haters" were right.

To those all excited and declaring NCSoft victorious... Well... if you seriously think the RMT are just going to disappear or be significantly diminished from one round of bans... well... I hope you're not too disappointed. If you think this is some indication that NCSoft suddenly cares and is going to remain consistent in fighting it... again... I hope you're not too disappointed. 

I know the first reaction of some here is going to be to call me a troll... Only I'm not. Again, I was once ready to shout from the rooftops every time they did a banning in L2.. But after a while, you realize their actions are nothing but token efforts, usually done at very deliberate times... In L2 it's almost always been right around the release of a major update/expansion. They expect people to come back, or new players to check it out, and want them to get a good impression. So they do a banning, make some big statement about how they're combatting it, blah blah... Then a couple weeks later, it's right back to normal again, with the bot trains controlling catas and necros, people being spammed with RMT ads, etc. etc.

Who knows.. maybe I'm wrong this time and they really did get a clue. I'd like to think so because I have friends who play Aion. I bought an account and would like to play it, too. But I won't as long as RMT is running rampant in the game. So, I have a vested interest in NCSoft finally getting a clue and finally taking it seriously as well. I'm just not so willing to jump for joy at every announcement they make... I've heard it all before, too many times.

Originally posted by bloodaxes

They added a chat filter or spam filter forgot what it's called :)

kinda strange how they wait until the 16th october to put that filter into use with the patch...

Or did they order the GMs to stop spamming the chanels?

It stinks.... Yes we have it blocked. But just wait for your inbox to be flooded with more and whispers

I logged in and thought I had a connection problem when my chat box wasn't filled with gold spam right away! 

Originally posted by jessian

Originally posted by bloodaxes

They added a chat filter or spam filter forgot what it's called :)

kinda strange how they wait until the 16th october to put that filter into use with the patch...

Or did they order the GMs to stop spamming the chanels?

It stinks.... Yes we have it blocked. But just wait for your inbox to be flooded with more and whispers

This time (hopefully) they are trying hard to lessen the bots and gold spam problem they will even have gms around 24/7 that's why I still giving them a chance before going sceptic like many.

Aion should just die and wow 2 =P. with that said I doubt they will ever kill gold spammers.They will always be there just a ton vs a few here and there that hacked people acc.

Originally posted by Plutonicwoes

I logged in and thought I had a connection problem when my chat box wasn't filled with gold spam right away! 

LOL! Similar experience here. I logged in and thought maybe the chat server was lagging.

If they aren't banning the farm bots, they aren't doing anything about RMT. Spam block is just lip service and PR. See, we at NCSoft really care.  ::wink::wink::  Now go buy some kinah.

Originally posted by bloodaxes

Originally posted by jessian

Originally posted by bloodaxes

They added a chat filter or spam filter forgot what it's called :)

kinda strange how they wait until the 16th october to put that filter into use with the patch...

Or did they order the GMs to stop spamming the chanels?

It stinks.... Yes we have it blocked. But just wait for your inbox to be flooded with more and whispers

 

This time (hopefully) they are trying hard to lessen the bots and gold spam problem they will even have gms around 24/7 that's why I still giving them a chance before going sceptic like many.

Many of us "skeptics" are so not because of one or two instances of RMT or botting in Aion. We are because of years of experience with NC where they consistently displayed a near complete lack of action against RMT and botters in their two other in-house MMOs as it ran rampant right under their noses.

The way some people here so freely dismiss all that history to cheerlead for NCSoft, crying "Victory!!" when they make any single effort at dealing with it in Aion is really kinda worrisome; that some folks are easily swayed and impressed over such a basic thing. Kinda sheds new light on why upcoming MMOs are so easily over-hyped... some people are all too willing - anxious even - to be impressed by the slightest things.

This is what they should have been doing - consistently - since Aion launched.

- Aion has been out a year in the East.
- This is their third in-house MMO.
- They've been doing this for 7+ years now with 2 previous MMOs; they're not some new kids on the block who are just learning the ropes for the first time.

When they prove to be on top of the issue, consistently, in weeks or months from now... *then* there's something to be impressed about. But based on NCSoft's history, this is just an example of what they do... They're coming up on people's renewal date for their subs... so suddenly they start to care about the RMT. Sounds a bit too familiar.

And no... I'm not saying they need to be completely rid of RMT and botting, as I'm fully aware that's not realistic. So, anyone who was going to spin it that way to try and bash me... don't bother. There's a *huge* grey area between "eliminating it completely" and "letting it run rampant"... Right now NC is lingering closer to the "run rampant" side.
 

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by bloodaxes

Originally posted by jessian

Originally posted by bloodaxes

They added a chat filter or spam filter forgot what it's called :)

kinda strange how they wait until the 16th october to put that filter into use with the patch...

Or did they order the GMs to stop spamming the chanels?

It stinks.... Yes we have it blocked. But just wait for your inbox to be flooded with more and whispers

 

This time (hopefully) they are trying hard to lessen the bots and gold spam problem they will even have gms around 24/7 that's why I still giving them a chance before going sceptic like many.

Many of us "skeptics" are so not because of one or two instances of RMT or botting in Aion. We are because of years of experience with NC where they consistently displayed a near complete lack of action against RMT and botters in their two other in-house MMOs as it ran rampant right under their noses.

The way some people here so freely dismiss all that history to cheerlead for NCSoft, crying "Victory!!" when they make any single effort at dealing with it in Aion is really kinda worrisome; that some folks are easily swayed and impressed over such a basic thing. Kinda sheds new light on why upcoming MMOs are so easily over-hyped... some people are all too willing - anxious even - to be impressed by the slightest things.

This is what they should have been doing - consistently - since Aion launched.

- Aion has been out a year in the East.
- This is their third in-house MMO.
- They've been doing this for 7+ years now with 2 previous MMOs; they're not some new kids on the block who are just learning the ropes for the first time.

When they prove to be on top of the issue, consistently, in weeks or months from now... *then* there's something to be impressed about. But based on NCSoft's history, this is just an example of what they do... They're coming up on people's renewal date for their subs... so suddenly they start to care about the RMT. Sounds a bit too familiar.

And no... I'm not saying they need to be completely rid of RMT and botting, as I'm fully aware that's not realistic. So, anyone who was going to spin it that way to try and bash me... don't bother. There's a *huge* grey area between "eliminating it completely" and "letting it run rampant"... Right now NC is lingering closer to the "run rampant" side.
 

with L2 i think that it was way too late for that game by the time they got off their asses, honetly i think the only ones left playing that game is the people that buy Kinah and use bots. i had actually canceled my sub for Aion 2 days ago and if you check my posts i've been a long time supporter of the game but the spam was so out of control it was unreal. spam was the main reason i quit, i still had a few days to go on my account (oct 24) logged in last night and saw no spam at all. not even in tells, so i guess i'll resub for now, but the other reason i quit was botters. i'll give them a little more time for those but not waiting around forever.

When I typed in google sceptic it said it was right so dunno lol.

Anyways like the above poster said lineage is a bit too late now to fix it many have lost hope on that game and since it's one of the most heaviest grind game few would try it at these stages thanks to games that keep on going for hand holding leveling (Not that lineage had a good leveling speed but for example wow it's too fast they need to find a balance)

Originally posted by bloodaxes

When I typed in google sceptic it said it was right so dunno lol.

Anyways like the above poster said lineage is a bit too late now to fix it many have lost hope on that game and since it's one of the most heaviest grind game few would try it at these stages thanks to games that keep on going for hand holding leveling (Not that lineage had a good leveling speed but for example wow it's too fast they need to find a balance)

Would sound like a reasonable retort on its face if I didn't know any better.

I played L2 on and off from Beta, into launch and still play it from time to time now. RMT was a problem in that game going back 5 years when it was still relatively new. They did little to nothing back then just like they're doing in Aion now. It's been a problem in Lineage 1 as well, and for even longer because - again - NCSoft chose to all but ignore it. They handle RMT when it's good for their PR.

Also, when a company decides to get serious about RMT, how long it's been a problem isn't a factor. RMT had been a problem in FFXI for a while, sending the economy way out of control... SE stepped up, did something about it and turned it around. They made necessary changes to the status of some drops that were being monopolized. They implemented ways to identify and eliminate botters and cleaned the economy of 10s of billions (yes, billions) of RMT-related gil across all servers. They drove all but the biggest and most persistent RMT companies out of the game. They've remained open and accountable to the players, letting them know the details of their activities and will continue to do so in FFXIV when that game releases. 

 The difference is, SE cares about RMT and sees it as a serious issue to be dealt with. NCSoft, demonstrably, doesn't, despite how strongly they claim otherwise.

On balance, the whole "it's too late for L2" argument seems a bit disingenuous.
 

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by bloodaxes

When I typed in google sceptic it said it was right so dunno lol.

Anyways like the above poster said lineage is a bit too late now to fix it many have lost hope on that game and since it's one of the most heaviest grind game few would try it at these stages thanks to games that keep on going for hand holding leveling (Not that lineage had a good leveling speed but for example wow it's too fast they need to find a balance)

Would sound like a reasonable retort on its face if I didn't know any better.

I played L2 on and off from Beta, into launch and still play it from time to time now. RMT was a problem in that game going back 5 years when it was still relatively new. They did little to nothing back then just like they're doing in Aion now. It's been a problem in Lineage 1 as well, and for even longer because - again - NCSoft chose to all but ignore it.

Also, when a company decides to get serious about RMT, how long it's been a problem isn't a factor. RMT had been a problem in FFXI for a while, sending the economy way out of control... SE stepped up, did something about it and turned it around. They made necessary changes to the status of some drops that were being monopolized. They implemented ways to identify and eliminate botters and cleaned the economy of 10s of billions (yes, billions) of RMT-related gil across all servers. 

 The difference is, SE cares about RMT and sees it as a serious issue to be dealt with. NCSoft, demonstrably, doesn't. 

On balance, the whole "it's too late for L2" argument seems a bit disingenuous.
 

I know what you mean and agree with you but for the moment bots didn't get in my way and for now the money I spent is well spent better then buying a single player I would finish in less then a week that almost costs same price of aion (bionic commando >_>)

But will say in advance if they don't resolve it blade and soul will be out of my list of games unless they do some real good anti hack program but we'll see in the future.

Originally posted by bloodaxes

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by bloodaxes

When I typed in google sceptic it said it was right so dunno lol.

Anyways like the above poster said lineage is a bit too late now to fix it many have lost hope on that game and since it's one of the most heaviest grind game few would try it at these stages thanks to games that keep on going for hand holding leveling (Not that lineage had a good leveling speed but for example wow it's too fast they need to find a balance)

Would sound like a reasonable retort on its face if I didn't know any better.

I played L2 on and off from Beta, into launch and still play it from time to time now. RMT was a problem in that game going back 5 years when it was still relatively new. They did little to nothing back then just like they're doing in Aion now. It's been a problem in Lineage 1 as well, and for even longer because - again - NCSoft chose to all but ignore it.

Also, when a company decides to get serious about RMT, how long it's been a problem isn't a factor. RMT had been a problem in FFXI for a while, sending the economy way out of control... SE stepped up, did something about it and turned it around. They made necessary changes to the status of some drops that were being monopolized. They implemented ways to identify and eliminate botters and cleaned the economy of 10s of billions (yes, billions) of RMT-related gil across all servers. 

 The difference is, SE cares about RMT and sees it as a serious issue to be dealt with. NCSoft, demonstrably, doesn't. 

On balance, the whole "it's too late for L2" argument seems a bit disingenuous.
 

I know what you mean and agree with you but for the moment bots didn't get in my way and for now the money I spent is well spent better then buying a single player I would finish in less then a week that almost costs same price of aion (bionic commando >_>)

But will say in advance if they don't resolve it blade and soul will be out of my list of games unless they do some real good anti hack program but we'll see in the future.

Eek...

Nothing personal against you... but I really hate that whole "it doesn't affect me" mentality.

The problem is bigger than you, or me, or anyone else. Even if it's not a problem right now, if it's not dealt with aggressively and kept under control, it very well *could* become a problem down the road. Just look at L2 or L1 or any of a number of other MMOs where it wasn't dealt with aggressively enough for examples.

I don't mean to sound like an ass or like I'm on a high horse or anything... I just really, *really* despise anything to do with RMT and it bothers me even moreso when it overruns an otherwise great game. Lineage 2, for what it is, is a very fun game. Aion, from what I've played, is a very fun game. Even Lineage 1, given its age, is a great game... and so on. If we're talking about MMOs where RMT is built into the model (like some with item malls, etc), then I have no complaint; I simply choose not to play them. But for those where it's not supported in the design... it drives me nuts when the developer takes a lax approach to dealing with it.

Never said they don't have to do anything but the chat filter is a good step forward for now, IF it will continue to work against gold spammers they can focus on botters.

Now if they do nothing on bots then it will be a serious problem yes. I will give them a chance for this next month if they try to improve good I may stay if they don't I will go looking for something else to play.

Originally posted by bloodaxes

Never said they don't have to do anything but the chat filter is a good step forward for now, IF it will continue to work against gold spammers they can focus on botters.

Now if they do nothing on bots then it will be a serious problem yes I will give them a chance for this next month if they try to improve good I may stay if they don't I will go looking for something else to play.

Fair enough. I'm hoping they seriously deal with it - and continue to - as well. I'm just not so willing to bring out the pom-poms over a few isolated incidents.. especially when they conveniently fall right around the subscription renewal date for many people.

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Originally posted by bloodaxes
Never said they don't have to do anything but the chat filter is a good step forward for now, IF it will continue to work against gold spammers they can focus on botters.
Now if they do nothing on bots then it will be a serious problem yes I will give them a chance for this next month if they try to improve good I may stay if they don't I will go looking for something else to play.

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I second this. They are making regular progress in resolving major player issues. If they continue to make regular progress I will be satisfied.

Ha you guys make me laugh, cheering that a company patched in a feature that prevents spam tells... It like cheering the US government for building a 100 mile wall on the border which is 100s of miles long lol...not gonna do much to stop the issue, at all. Gold farmers will destroy Aion's economy just like they have in every other game, so cheer for your hollow victory!

Originally posted by Zarynterk

Ha you guys make me laugh, cheering that a company patched in a feature that prevents spam tells... It like cheering the US government for building a 100 mile wall on the border which is 100s of miles long lol...not gonna do much to stop the issue, at all. Gold farmers will destroy Aion's economy just like they have in every other game, so cheer for you hollow victory!

Well if you think that gold farmers destroy MMos economies you must be dumb. They are just making it easier for people who want to spend money instead of grinding a million mob. It's exactly like RL. Money makes a difference. Some people are working harder than you are and don't wanna grind to enjoy the game. What is the problem with it? Anyway,  you won't stop it.

Moreover, gold farmers usually make it easier for regular players to make money (flux, mats) At the moment they are necessary to most MMos economy.

The real issues is that some morons are flooding channels and using boting softwares. Those guys are ruining MMos.

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Originally posted by glid

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Originally posted by Zarynterk

Ha you guys make me laugh, cheering that a company patched in a feature that prevents spam tells... It like cheering the US government for building a 100 mile wall on the border which is 100s of miles long lol...not gonna do much to stop the issue, at all. Gold farmers will destroy Aion's economy just like they have in every other game, so cheer for you hollow victory!

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Well if you think that gold farmers destroy MMos economies you must be dumb. They are just making it easier for people who want to spend money instead of grinding a million mob. It's exactly like RL. Money makes a difference. Some people are working harder than you are and don't wanna grind to enjoy the game. What is the problem with it? Anyway,  you won't stop it.
Moreover, gold farmers usually make it easier for regular players to make money (flux, mats) At the moment they are necessary to most MMos economy.
The real issues is that some morons are flooding channels and using boting softwares. Those guys are ruining MMos.

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I think that people are complaining about botting to farm gold, which really does cause inflation because bots can farm 24/7, unlike a human being. I would agree that there is a distinction between Joe Schmo selling his character and equipment to somebody on ebay and a bot farming operation, but that is perhaps a debate for another day, and I think they're mostly talking about the bots.

Originally posted by glid

Originally posted by Zarynterk

Ha you guys make me laugh, cheering that a company patched in a feature that prevents spam tells... It like cheering the US government for building a 100 mile wall on the border which is 100s of miles long lol...not gonna do much to stop the issue, at all. Gold farmers will destroy Aion's economy just like they have in every other game, so cheer for you hollow victory!

 

Well if you think that gold farmers destroy MMos economies you must be dumb. They are just making it easier for people who want to spend money instead of grinding a million mob. It's exactly like RL. Money makes a difference. Some people are working harder than you are and don't wanna grind to enjoy the game. What is the problem with it? Anyway,  you won't stop it.

Moreover, gold farmers usually make it easier for regular players to make money (flux, mats) At the moment they are necessary to most MMos economy.

The real issues is that some morons are flooding channels and using boting softwares. Those guys are ruining MMos.

What, "legit gold farmers"? Even more... economy savers? Ignoring the RMT-loving comments, where do you think all these gold websites get their kinah from, people farming for them, or bots farming for them? Considering the number of bots *currently* in this game, the answer is pretty obvious... the current farmers aren't part of your "legit" gold farmer concept.

Originally posted by EricDanie

Originally posted by glid

Originally posted by Zarynterk

Ha you guys make me laugh, cheering that a company patched in a feature that prevents spam tells... It like cheering the US government for building a 100 mile wall on the border which is 100s of miles long lol...not gonna do much to stop the issue, at all. Gold farmers will destroy Aion's economy just like they have in every other game, so cheer for you hollow victory!

 

Well if you think that gold farmers destroy MMos economies you must be dumb. They are just making it easier for people who want to spend money instead of grinding a million mob. It's exactly like RL. Money makes a difference. Some people are working harder than you are and don't wanna grind to enjoy the game. What is the problem with it? Anyway,  you won't stop it.

Moreover, gold farmers usually make it easier for regular players to make money (flux, mats) At the moment they are necessary to most MMos economy.

The real issues is that some morons are flooding channels and using boting softwares. Those guys are ruining MMos.

What, "legit gold farmers"? Even more... economy savers? Ignoring the RMT-loving comments, where do you think all these gold websites get their kinah from, people farming for them, or bots farming for them? Considering the number of bots *currently* in this game, the answer is pretty obvious... the current farmers aren't part of your "legit" gold farmer concept.

They Also get it from hacking peoples accounts and sellling off their items so they can take the gold, there are no legit gold farmers.

Originally posted by glid

Originally posted by Zarynterk

Ha you guys make me laugh, cheering that a company patched in a feature that prevents spam tells... It like cheering the US government for building a 100 mile wall on the border which is 100s of miles long lol...not gonna do much to stop the issue, at all. Gold farmers will destroy Aion's economy just like they have in every other game, so cheer for you hollow victory!

 

Well if you think that gold farmers destroy MMos economies you must be dumb.

The real issues is that some morons are flooding channels and using boting softwares. Those guys are ruining MMos.

Yup I must be dumb then lol... The REAL issues mmos have are those nasty channel flooding perpetrators, and the bots... not gold farmers at all, in any way... Thats like saying its not the drug dealers fault, its the addict. And you call them morons...

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Originally posted by Zarynterk
The REAL issues mmos have are those nasty channel flooding perpetrators, and the bots... not gold farmers at all, in any way... Thats like saying its not the drug dealers fault, its the addict. And you call them morons...

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Curious, not debating. What do you classify bots as? They are obviously not player characters, nor will they ever be them. If they are not farming gold and items, what are they doing?

 I am not an Aion player myself but its a good step forward from NC. Lets hope they can remove the botting and then the game can flourish.

I don't know why people spew hate about Aion citing the goldspammers and the botters as their excuse. In reality we hate spammers and botters in any game, so if one game can bring an end to their behavior, all the better, whether you play that game or not. If all games can effectively deal with them, then we get a much better gaming experience all round.

Originally posted by glid

Originally posted by Zarynterk

Ha you guys make me laugh, cheering that a company patched in a feature that prevents spam tells... It like cheering the US government for building a 100 mile wall on the border which is 100s of miles long lol...not gonna do much to stop the issue, at all. Gold farmers will destroy Aion's economy just like they have in every other game, so cheer for you hollow victory!

 

Well if you think that gold farmers destroy MMos economies you must be dumb. They are just making it easier for people who want to spend money instead of grinding a million mob. It's exactly like RL. Money makes a difference. Some people are working harder than you are and don't wanna grind to enjoy the game. What is the problem with it? Anyway,  you won't stop it.

Wrong. 100% absolutely wrong. This mantra is the classic argument from ignorance the pro-RMT folks just love repeating - as though saying it enough will make it true.

They absolutely *do* destroy MMO economies, which then drives away players. The people it drives away are the legit players who actually want to *play* the game but get sick of the ever-increasing prices caused by gold-buyers and RMT who continue to increase the prices. To those who, like yourself, support RMT, it just means having to pull out the credit card.

Let me share with you just one example that I've witnessed from beginning to end.

Some years back, in Final Fantasy XI, prices on the more in-demand items hovered in the low millions. Some popular but not so "rare" items, like a Jujitsu Gi in particular, sold for about 450k. I know because I earned the gil in game to buy it.  Now, that last statement might have thrown you off. I'm sure earning money in-game by actually *playing* it is probably an alien concept to you and right now you're thinking "Why would you do that? Just pull out the credit card and you can have it in a half hour!"... Just bear with me.

At some point, the RMT presence in the game ramped up significantly, and along with it, the economy started to spiral out of control. See... it goes like this... when the amount of money pouring into an in-game economy begins to overtake the amount of money going out (in the form of money sinks, etc), the value of the money decreases and prices tend to sky-rocket. 

Not surprisingly, the RMT themselves were dominating the spawns for the most valuable items, via bots/hacks/scripts that gave them an almost 100% success rate over legit players (legit players = people who don't cheat or buy their way through a game... just in case the term is new to you). Since they controlled the spawns and the drops, they also controlled the prices of the items when they listed them on the auction house. And guess what happened? Bingo! They kept increasing the prices, thus making it more difficult for people to afford them through normal means, thus making the idea of buying their gil (what you support) seem more necessary.

Of course, this has a ripple effect across the entire game and it got to the point where the legit players found it more and more difficult to make their way through the game because the price on everything was skyrocketing. That Jujitsu Gi I mentioned earlier went up over 3 million at one point... and that's one of the lesser examples. How about 2 million gil items going up over 20 million? Yep it happened. 

It got so bad that legit players started leaving the game, citing the out of control RMT and screwed up economy as the reason in many cases.

Finally, SE stepped in and realized they had to do something. They formed the "RMT Task Force", a separate team of people whose sole purpose was to research, track down and eliminate the botters and, with them, all the excess gil they were pouring into the economy.

They also changed the drop status of many of those high-demand items, making the world-drop versions of them "rare/ex" ("bind on pickup", basically) and, thus, useless to the botters since they now couldn't sell them. However, it benefitted legit players because they now had a chance at getting the drop, since the RMT were no longer monopolizing them.

SE implemented mobs in the game, called "Goblin Bounty Hunters" which patrolled shorelines of lakes, rivers and such and would attack the RMT fishbots lined up along them. The fishbots had been flooding the market with fish, which drove the price down on them and made it near impossible for people who made money in-game legitimately through fishing to make a profit. Within 24 hours of introducing the Bounty Hunters, almost all the fishing bots were gone. Those that weren't killed repeatedly were kicked directly.

Through their efforts, within the first few months of introducing the task force, SE eliminated 10s of billions of gil from the economy. They eventually drove out all but the largest RMT companies from the game.

And the net effect of all this? The economy came back down to earth - lower, in fact, than it was when the game first launched in the US. That 450k Jujitsu Gi that went up to over 3 million came back down to 150k. Legit players were able to actually play the game normally again and players who had left because of the economy started coming back.

That's just *one* very definitive example of how RMT does, in fact, ruin an economy.

Your claim is wrong. Completely wrong. MMOs that aren't designed from the start to support RMT are most *definitely* affected by RMT activity...

And that's just the economy. Don't even get me started on the activities that go hand-in-hand with it... botting, hacking, spamming, attempts to hack/compromise accounts.. .and on and on... By speaking in defense/support of RMT, those are the activities you are also supporting. Good job.

Moreover, gold farmers usually make it easier for regular players to make money (flux, mats) At the moment they are necessary to most MMos economy.

If the game is set up from the start to support RMT - as in, item malls or sanctioned player-to-player transactions (gold, items, etc) then yes. Outside of that, you're wrong. Period.

But if you think otherwise, call up a MMO developer and tell them what you said here... use your "logic" on them and see if they agree. I'm assuming you buy your way through games, so make sure to give them your name and account info. Then tell them to track you as you complete an RMT transaction to "enjoy the game", so they can ban you. Then come back and tell us how that worked out.

The real issues is that some morons are flooding channels and using boting softwares. Those guys are ruining MMos.

The "morons" you refer to are bots set up by the RMT companies advertising the money you feel is perfectly peachy to buy per your first paragraph. If you support one, you support the other; they go hand-in-hand. Way to contradict yourself.