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10/16/09 9:07:12 PM#26
I still want to know who this zzvicezz guy is. He's obviously a regular around here. So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist. |
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10/16/09 9:18:23 PM#27
BBC and Al-Jazeera.
AP and Reuters take most of their news from all news sources and they can be wrong quite a lot. I'm not really a fan of theirs.
Also, don't fight with them. They like Fox because it re-affirms all their commonly held beliefs. They just don't want to admit that Fox News has less journalistic credibility than other networks because they would feel it is an attack on them. I can go so far as to say they have been brain-washed by Fox. This is exactly how Fox likes to spin it when people attack their network: under siege; and then they get super defensive and start the attack again. They act as though they are at war. It's really sad for such a network, that had promise, to falter and fall so decisively. |
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10/16/09 9:23:40 PM#28
Originally posted by Scubie67 And what pray tell ,station in the Netherlands carries Fox News where you can make an informed decision due to them being more biased than MSNBC and all the others or is this heresay from Liberal sources as usual? While no news station here carries Fox News, or at least not basic cable, Much of Fox News content is on the internet. In fact, there is an entire wikipedia page dedicated to Fox news Bias. I can point you to threads I posted a few months ago where Fox News attacked my country with lies (My country is a liberal country thus bashing it would please its conservative audience). The same lies get disproven with facts. Just ask me for it and i'll show you what is one of the best examples of Fox News bias captured. |
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10/16/09 9:26:05 PM#29
Least biased and good source?
I'll go with the AP on that one, since its the source that the cable "news" gets most of their info from to opinionate on.
Unfortunatly they seem to be more of a reporter type news rather than the opionated type thats seems to fuel the great cable news debate. BORING |
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10/16/09 9:29:01 PM#30
Originally posted by Pyrich Reuters does pretty well. They don't have quite the reach that AP does though. For business news (which I have very little interest in, but occasionally I seem to need), go with Bloomberg. I will take my news in written form any day before getting it off the TV. So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist. |
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10/17/09 8:36:30 PM#31
When we're living in the UK, I read the Guardian and Observer and The Independent. Here in the US, we've fallen out of the habit of reading newspapers and mostly rely on a mix of online news (including the guardian.co.uk). I used to spend every Sunday, all day, happily reading entire newspapers. I'll put on CNN or one of the others if there's some sort of breaking event, but other than that I don't really put much stock in them or enjoy the presentations. I don't think CNN even has a Science and Technology department since they sacked Miles O'Brien. All of them seem to be mostly constant political editorial shows. |
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10/18/09 6:28:06 PM#32
Out of that list I picked Bloomberg, but I also could have picked other since I get most of my news from the NYT, the WSJ and sometimes Brietbart. I never really accept anything from one source, however, consider all of them biased, and draw my conclusions from a composite of biased reporting. I usually START my news clicking with Drudge, who just links to the various papers and sites. Also Yahoo when I have the time and the inclination. |
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10/18/09 6:29:12 PM#33
Originally posted by kobie173 Reuters does pretty well. They don't have quite the reach that AP does though. For business news (which I have very little interest in, but occasionally I seem to need), go with Bloomberg. I will take my news in written form any day before getting it off the TV.
Yup, same here. |
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Vemoi
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10/19/09 1:40:25 AM#34
Originally posted by Fishermage Drudge is the first news site I go to every day. If something has happened, Drudge is one of the first sites to have it up. I find it funny that someone said Drudge is biased when Drudge links to articles from all over the place. Edit: You can't "link to Drudge" since it changes constantly. You can only link to their links. "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -- Winston Churchill |
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10/19/09 1:46:29 AM#35
Originally posted by Vemoi Drudge is the first news site I go to every day. If something has happened, Drudge is one of the first sites to have it up. I find it funny that someone said Drudge is biased when Drudge links to articles from all over the place.
Yeah, that's kind of silly. He is personally a libertarian/conservative mix -- I used to listen to hi when he had a radio show -- but that has nothing to do with what he does. He links to the NYT, the WSJ, Breitbart, Fox, MSNBC, huffpo -- you name it. he has links up for all the major columnists, all the major wires and most of the minor ones as well. Now occasionally, he breaks news on his own, and he broke the monica lewinski story. I guess people here resent him for taht so they say he is "biased." What he is is he is quick on the draw. Sometimes his tips turn out to be wrong or false; but that's the same with everyone. Sometimes your sources either burn you, or are wrong. When that's the case, he corrects himself just as quickly as well. |
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Vemoi
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10/19/09 1:48:36 AM#36
Originally posted by Fishermage
Yup, same here.
Wasn't it AP or Routers that printed a lot of photoshoped pics? Edit: Found it thanks toZombietime. "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -- Winston Churchill |
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10/19/09 1:53:35 AM#37
Originally posted by Vemoi
Yup, same here.
Wasn't it AP or Routers that printed a lot of photoshoped pics? Edit: Found it thanks toZombietime.
Oh yeah, I remember that. that was bad. |
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10/19/09 2:33:19 AM#38
Who the fuck voted for Fox? Holy cow, I'd imagine a tossup between some of the others, but Fox, really? I thought everyone knew it was fake news ------------------------- |
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10/19/09 3:12:21 AM#39
Originally posted by Vemoi Drudge is the first news site I go to every day. If something has happened, Drudge is one of the first sites to have it up. I find it funny that someone said Drudge is biased when Drudge links to articles from all over the place. Edit: You can't "link to Drudge" since it changes constantly. You can only link to their links.
That's basically what Drudge IS, just like HuffPo, except HP has a few opinion columnists. However, Drudge (like HP) often puts EXTREMELY misleading headlines on their articles ... and as anyone with a modicum of journalistic training knows, headlines draw the reader in, and often prejudice the reader before they know what they're reading. So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist. |
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10/19/09 3:16:38 AM#40
Originally posted by Fishermage
Unblocked you to respond to this comment. This is the EXACT way rational people who understand the ins and outs of what journalism is these days, and can take into account the factors that go behind the reporting, view their news. Only a single-minded idiot would get their news from one source. That is the equivalent of masturbation -- self-satisfaction by getting news that is predetermined to satisfy your need to see a story from one angle. Anyone who ONLY gets their news from Fox, or CNN, or MSNBC, or NPR, or the NYT, WSJ, AP, Reuters, Bloomberg, et al. is doing themselves a grave disservice. However, most peopl e that DO get their news from one source don't give a rat's ass, because they are so ingrained in their beliefs that they feel all other sources except for the one they get their news from are inherently biased (which they are) and therefore invalid or lack credibility (which is not so). So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist. |
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Vemoi
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Joined: 5/14/05
Government always finds a need for whatever money it gets. |
10/19/09 3:37:34 AM#41
Originally posted by kobie173
I checked out your theory and EVERY link I clicked in Drudge had the same headline as the link said except for the main headline. "Balloon Bust" link said "Authorities: 'Balloon boy' incident was a hoax" WOW! I'm never going to trust Drudge again. "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -- Winston Churchill |
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10/19/09 3:40:19 AM#42
Originally posted by kobie173
That's basically what Drudge IS, just like HuffPo, except HP has a few opinion columnists. However, Drudge (like HP) often puts EXTREMELY misleading headlines on their articles ... and as anyone with a modicum of journalistic training knows, headlines draw the reader in, and often prejudice the reader before they know what they're reading.
Exactly. A lot of threads started in these very forums have the same subject line as the headlines of the articles they link to, and those headlines frame the posters entire viewpoint. So bias does matter, Drudge Report leans on its headlines to assert its ideological leaning. It's actually quite criminal here, and to give Fisher a freebie, 'the left', or rather Falice, is most criminal of all. |
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10/19/09 3:43:03 AM#43
Originally posted by sepher
That's basically what Drudge IS, just like HuffPo, except HP has a few opinion columnists. However, Drudge (like HP) often puts EXTREMELY misleading headlines on their articles ... and as anyone with a modicum of journalistic training knows, headlines draw the reader in, and often prejudice the reader before they know what they're reading.
Exactly. A lot of threads started in these very forums have the same subject line as the headlines of the articles they link to, and those headlines frame the posters entire viewpoint. So bias does matter, Drudge Report leans on its headlines to assert its ideological leaning. It's actually quite criminal here, and to give Fisher a freebie, 'the left', or rather Falice, is most criminal of all.
Ya, as a card-carrying member of the "left," I will agree that when you make the HuffPo headline your thread title, you lose a shitload of credibility. Same as Drudge. Same reason I immediately discount those who copy + paste grafs out of a website into their post without noting the source as being fully without merit -- if you're going to quote an obviously "biased" source (i.e. whoever it was with the WND paragraph), at least have the balls to link to it. So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist. |
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10/19/09 3:43:39 AM#44
And btw, can someone please tell me how to actually make a hyperlink to a website on this forum? Mine all come in as plain text. So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist. |
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10/19/09 11:24:14 AM#45
Originally posted by kobie173
lower half of the tool bar, in the middle is the planet with a paper clip icon under it. Click it, a screen opens up, paste the url in there and there you go :) |
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10/19/09 11:32:49 AM#46
Rense.com =) "The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." |
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10/19/09 11:32:59 AM#47
Originally posted by kobie173
Unblocked you to respond to this comment. This is the EXACT way rational people who understand the ins and outs of what journalism is these days, and can take into account the factors that go behind the reporting, view their news. Only a single-minded idiot would get their news from one source. That is the equivalent of masturbation -- self-satisfaction by getting news that is predetermined to satisfy your need to see a story from one angle. Anyone who ONLY gets their news from Fox, or CNN, or MSNBC, or NPR, or the NYT, WSJ, AP, Reuters, Bloomberg, et al. is doing themselves a grave disservice. However, most peopl e that DO get their news from one source don't give a rat's ass, because they are so ingrained in their beliefs that they feel all other sources except for the one they get their news from are inherently biased (which they are) and therefore invalid or lack credibility (which is not so).
Well I feel you and I may have to agree to disagree on politics but we will always agree on this, probably because we both love good journalism. I remember you saying you were in the business; and while it's been a long time since my media days, I HAVE been a tech Director for a political talk show as well as doing camera, production and tech Director for local and public access TV, I'm noweher near as experienced as you, but I understand the business. And you are absolutely right about Drudge's headlines. I am reminded of an old Spider-Man comic when earth was being invaded by skrulls or whatever. Someone put a headline to the Bugle which said, "Alien Invasion!" Jonah flips out saying the Bugle doesn't print sensationalistic crap like that! he grabs his pen and changes it to "Alien Invasion?" He then says, now THAT's journalism! |
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10/19/09 11:33:53 AM#48
Originally posted by Scalebane
Now THAT's journalism! |
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10/19/09 11:38:50 AM#49
Originally posted by Fishermage
Now THAT's journalism!
=P "The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." |
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10/19/09 2:07:16 PM#50
Originally posted by Scalebane
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