Originally posted by tvalentine

Originally posted by DarkPony

The whole goon hate / bash thing is getting kinda pathetic.

Same in EVE. People get all tight arsed and wound up as soon as they see the letter 'g' followed by a double 'o' and an 'n'. Consider this: while you are so happy bashing or whining about them on some forum you are doing valuable work in making their fame / infamy even bigger than it already was. They are at the stage that they don't have to do anything for that. Just hang around in a new game and watch their rep being heralded from the towers by 'those who who have dealt with them before'.

What are you thinking? That they are some kind of different species? An alien race people should be warned about? They are just a bunch of laid back guys trying to have some fun and they don't have to do all that much mischief to have all the stuck up folks owning themselves by being, well ... stuck up about a little ingame misfortune.

*coughs*

I have a little weak spot for them I suppose :) I admired the role they played in EVE. Being the game-wide scapegoat and just shrugging it off and doing their thing.

I recall this one (at the time that Goons were well known for scamming the small time crooks who were dying to join them) it went a little like this:

 

Aspiring member: "One of your members, *insert name here* has taken all my ships and ISK. He promised me to ship my stuff to 0.0 and I payed him the admission fee of 500 mils to be returned to me when all was in order. I didn't receive anything back. I really want my stuff back and join you guys."

Goons CEO: "Hmm, so *insert name here* took all your ships?"

Aspiring member: "That is correct"

Goons CEO:  "And he took your isk as well?"

Aspiring member: "Yes, well, most of it."

Goons CEO: "Well, we really don't have much use here for people without ships and ISK"

 

I just had to lol about that one ... >_<

 

goons are idiots as you can see from facejobs posts. To look up to them for griefing is a good show of character i guess, and i rarely see their "rep" being "heralded". Its usually the opposite ... its usually stuff like whats in this thread. A bad rep is not a good rep. And yeah they are trying to have fun, but usually that comes at other people's expense, hard to believe you cant see that. The only good griefer(goon) is a dead griefer(goon).

TBH if you like em so much why not join them? It's only what, another 10$ just to be in the guild right?

Thank you for misunderstanding, misreading and misinterpreting my post but nonetheless exactly proving my point.

Well done. Their infamy ticker just went up 1 click, just how they like it I suppose.

Originally posted by DarkPony

Originally posted by tvalentine

Originally posted by DarkPony

The whole goon hate / bash thing is getting kinda pathetic.

Same in EVE. People get all tight arsed and wound up as soon as they see the letter 'g' followed by a double 'o' and an 'n'. Consider this: while you are so happy bashing or whining about them on some forum you are doing valuable work in making their fame / infamy even bigger than it already was. They are at the stage that they don't have to do anything for that. Just hang around in a new game and watch their rep being heralded from the towers by 'those who who have dealt with them before'.

What are you thinking? That they are some kind of different species? An alien race people should be warned about? They are just a bunch of laid back guys trying to have some fun and they don't have to do all that much mischief to have all the stuck up folks owning themselves by being, well ... stuck up about a little ingame misfortune.

*coughs*

I have a little weak spot for them I suppose :) I admired the role they played in EVE. Being the game-wide scapegoat and just shrugging it off and doing their thing.

I recall this one (at the time that Goons were well known for scamming the small time crooks who were dying to join them) it went a little like this:

 

Aspiring member: "One of your members, *insert name here* has taken all my ships and ISK. He promised me to ship my stuff to 0.0 and I payed him the admission fee of 500 mils to be returned to me when all was in order. I didn't receive anything back. I really want my stuff back and join you guys."

Goons CEO: "Hmm, so *insert name here* took all your ships?"

Aspiring member: "That is correct"

Goons CEO:  "And he took your isk as well?"

Aspiring member: "Yes, well, most of it."

Goons CEO: "Well, we really don't have much use here for people without ships and ISK"

 

I just had to lol about that one ... >_<

 

goons are idiots as you can see from facejobs posts. To look up to them for griefing is a good show of character i guess, and i rarely see their "rep" being "heralded". Its usually the opposite ... its usually stuff like whats in this thread. A bad rep is not a good rep. And yeah they are trying to have fun, but usually that comes at other people's expense, hard to believe you cant see that. The only good griefer(goon) is a dead griefer(goon).

TBH if you like em so much why not join them? It's only what, another 10$ just to be in the guild right?

 

Thank you for misunderstanding, misreading and misinterpreting my post but nonetheless exactly proving my point.

Well done. Their infamy ticker just went up 1 click, just how they like it I suppose.

i'll use 4chan as an example and rest my case... unless you think stories like:http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html?pagewanted=all are good for their rep?

Less than a week into my first month of FE, I had some clownshoe roll up next to me on an ATV and I stupidly ticked over to Local chat (which I filter out of all but the 'All' channel because of EXACTLY THIS KIND OF SHIT) just in time to see him say "laugh out loud goon squad, 2 bad blobs don't work here"

It took me about 30 seconds to realize he was apparently talking about Eve.

Here is what some people don't seem to understand:

The SomethingAwful forums where we're from has over 133,000 members.  We are not a large MMO guild that jumps from game to game - we are SEVERAL THOUSAND DIFFERENT PEOPLE who play whatever the hell game they want.  We congregate together because we have common background, and generally our senses of humor sync.  Groups of goons have varying degrees of sway in a lot of games, but the people on Mal'Ganis in WoW aren't necessarily the same in the massive alliance in Eve, and they sure as hell aren't necessarily the same people playing Fallen Earth.

There's a LOT of nerds on SA, and a lot of those nerds play games.  There are goons in every MMO out there.  If you're avoiding games because of "goons" then you may as well throw your computer off of a moving train.

That said, the fact that there was a pre-release thread complaining about goons MERE PRESENCE in Fallen Earth doesn't do a whole hell of a lot for community relations.  Why should we even BOTHER to try to integrate into your community and play nice if every dipshit in "The Juggalo Nation" is going to ride up to me on an ATV 3 days into my first month and start giving me shit for something from a game I've never even played?

This is exactly why I filter out Local chat.  If I can't see someone insulting me for absolutely no reason, then I'm less likely to get pissed and fire back and do more to "ruin" my already apparently shitty rep.  I am close to the nicest fucker you will ever interact with in an MMO, but if I'm going to take fire from all sides just because I think SA is hilarious, then I have no trouble dropping any pretense of amicability and playing the retard you expect me to be.  And if you keep stopping, dropping, and screaming your head off every time you see the Goon Squad tag, then I'm perfectly content to laugh at how retarded you're acting.

People were calling us out and whipping themselves into a frenzy on the FE forums before ANY goon started doing anything to deserve ire.  Now our trolls are laughing at you all for doing all their work for them.  We don't even have to POST and you whine.

DarkPony, if you're still watching the thread, I'm pretty sure it was me that helped you.  Was it Loki in Junk Fortress?  I helped someone fight off the constant respawn while we tried to figure out to click the stupid skull in the room to open the door.

Why do people fear Goons in FE so much? Its not like there's something desireable to dominate in this game. Control off a conflict town is meaningless because there is nothing uber to craft and the uber boss mobs drop nothing. Now if you can create Liberty Prime from the resources of a conflict town then maybe it's time to start hating.

Originally posted by Squiggley

Less than a week into my first month of FE, I had some clownshoe roll up next to me on an ATV and I stupidly ticked over to Local chat (which I filter out of all but the 'All' channel because of EXACTLY THIS KIND OF SHIT) just in time to see him say "laugh out loud goon squad, 2 bad blobs don't work here"

 

It took me about 30 seconds to realize he was apparently talking about Eve.

 

Here is what some people don't seem to understand:

The SomethingAwful forums where we're from has over 133,000 members.  We are not a large MMO guild that jumps from game to game - we are SEVERAL THOUSAND DIFFERENT PEOPLE who play whatever the hell game they want.  We congregate together because we have common background, and generally our senses of humor sync.  Groups of goons have varying degrees of sway in a lot of games, but the people on Mal'Ganis in WoW aren't necessarily the same in the massive alliance in Eve, and they sure as hell aren't necessarily the same people playing Fallen Earth.

 

There's a LOT of nerds on SA, and a lot of those nerds play games.  There are goons in every MMO out there.  If you're avoiding games because of "goons" then you may as well throw your computer off of a moving train.

 

That said, the fact that there was a pre-release thread complaining about goons MERE PRESENCE in Fallen Earth doesn't do a whole hell of a lot for community relations.  Why should we even BOTHER to try to integrate into your community and play nice if every dipshit in "The Juggalo Nation" is going to ride up to me on an ATV 3 days into my first month and start giving me shit for something from a game I've never even played?

 

This is exactly why I filter out Local chat.  If I can't see someone insulting me for absolutely no reason, then I'm less likely to get pissed and fire back and do more to "ruin" my already apparently shitty rep.  I am close to the nicest fucker you will ever interact with in an MMO, but if I'm going to take fire from all sides just because I think SA is hilarious, then I have no trouble dropping any pretense of amicability and playing the retard you expect me to be.  And if you keep stopping, dropping, and screaming your head off every time you see the Goon Squad tag, then I'm perfectly content to laugh at how retarded you're acting.

 

People were calling us out and whipping themselves into a frenzy on the FE forums before ANY goon started doing anything to deserve ire.  Now our trolls are laughing at you all for doing all their work for them.  We don't even have to POST and you whine.

 

DarkPony, if you're still watching the thread, I'm pretty sure it was me that helped you.  Was it Loki in Junk Fortress?  I helped someone fight off the constant respawn while we tried to figure out to click the stupid skull in the room to open the door.

lol maybe you wouldnt have to turn off local chat if you didnt join an infamous guild. You say you "didn't troll anyone first" but your guild is sure showing them now arent they! The idiots and asshats (which are usually the most vocal) members of goon squad give the guild its bad reputation. Lol a goon QQing about smack talk now that is funny.

Originally posted by tvalentine

lol maybe you wouldnt have to turn off local chat if you didnt join an infamous guild. You say you "didn't troll anyone first" but your guild is sure showing them now arent they! The idiots and asshats (which are usually the most vocal) members of goon squad give the guild its bad reputation. Lol a goon QQing about smack talk now that is funny.

The simple fact of the matter is that goons are light-hearted and make boring things fun, and being a goon and playing with other goons exclusively makes the rest of the game's population almost entirely irrelevant.  There are enough people from SA to ensure that any game is going to have at least a fair number of other goons playing along with you.

I don't need community channels because I have a channel full of other poeple that I know won't type like retards, know can take a joke and not act like butthurt babies, and know are going to be entertaining and fun to talk to while grinding boring rock burrow armadillos or whatever the hell crap these games entail.

I turn off local chat because you and the rest of the community at large have absolutely nothing to say to me that would be of any value.

And I am assuming QQing is some sort of asian rap group.

Originally posted by Squiggley

 DarkPony, if you're still watching the thread, I'm pretty sure it was me that helped you.  Was it Loki in Junk Fortress?  I helped someone fight off the constant respawn while we tried to figure out to click the stupid skull in the room to open the door.

Yeah, must have been you :)

I remember that.

You said "Hah! I won!" when you found it first right?

Wasn't refering to that particular ocasion though.

So to me personally the score now is as follows;

Goons helping me and spreading love v.s. Goons harassing / grieffing / making me cry

2 : 0

The only problem with goons is there is a metric fuckton of them and they tend to run in packs. As with any zerg assemblace hey seem to have more than their share of , well, goons. If there are many of them around you might as well go do something else until they're done or you'll get crowded out by sheer numbers. Fortunately FE makes that easy enough.

 I don't mind goons at all. What would be bad are players colluding with devs like bob did or e-bay equipment buyers like some ruskies, in another words people that really can't play games in fair way. If you want to beat goons just bring more numbers, it's part of the game. But it is hard to beat people that can spawn t2 bpos (yet they are dead and non-existant so it's possible even if you are facing coalltion of devs+e-bay  money.)

I doubt Fallen Earth will suffer from anyone, if you don't like it just change server.

Originally posted by Spiider

 if you don't like it just change server.

There has can only be one survur in FE!

Nonetheless I agree with the other stuff you said.

It took a while to get a responce on my email, but here's what it said.
 

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Hi Peter,

 

No, this is not tolerated behavior. How CCP choose to handle this is up to them, but we have a zero tolerance policy for griefing. We understand your frustrations and assure you we're keeping a close eye on them. Griefers are flagged in the system and repeated misbehavoir leads to an impromptu ban.

Should this happen in the future you can ask for help directly in the Help channel. There should be a GM on alert at all times.

We're sorry to see you go, but should you choose to come back I assure you Fallen Earth is a completely different experience when you're playing it together with group friends. I've sent you instructions using the ingame mail system for how to apply with the clan I play with myself. It's a community of over 500 players now and there's a system in place to assure everyone always has a partner.

Best regards,
---------------

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I've read that people have asked for their money back and got it, so I'm not sure if I should do that or followup on the invitation. His guild is the same faction as me so I guess it makes sense if I want to keep playing.

Originally posted by Squiggley

Originally posted by tvalentine

lol maybe you wouldnt have to turn off local chat if you didnt join an infamous guild. You say you "didn't troll anyone first" but your guild is sure showing them now arent they! The idiots and asshats (which are usually the most vocal) members of goon squad give the guild its bad reputation. Lol a goon QQing about smack talk now that is funny.

 

The simple fact of the matter is that goons are light-hearted and make boring things fun, and being a goon and playing with other goons exclusively makes the rest of the game's population almost entirely irrelevant.  There are enough people from SA to ensure that any game is going to have at least a fair number of other goons playing along with you.

 

I don't need community channels because I have a channel full of other poeple that I know won't type like retards, know can take a joke and not act like butthurt babies, and know are going to be entertaining and fun to talk to while grinding boring rock burrow armadillos or whatever the hell crap these games entail.

 

I turn off local chat because you and the rest of the community at large have absolutely nothing to say to me that would be of any value.

 

And I am assuming QQing is some sort of asian rap group.

ahh there is the goon behavior and attitude... Don't give a shit about anyone else but yourselves. Looks like you aren't part of the non vocal goons who doesn't make trouble for others, guess i was wrong on that one. Why should you be respected by others when you don't respect them?

Originally posted by tvalentine

ahh there is the goon behavior and attitude... Don't give a shit about anyone else but yourselves. Looks like you aren't part of the non vocal goons who doesn't make trouble for others, guess i was wrong on that one. Why should you be respected by others when you don't respect them?

You're not getting it, apparently. 

Have you never been a part of a group?  If you're well involved with that group, why would you sit up one day and say "I need to meet other people!" unless the group is unfulfilling?  I don't "give a shit" about anyone else because I don't [i]need to.[/i]  It's a simple matter of not wasting calories.  It's not a matter of a lack of respect, please.  It's not like I run around every game world waving my dick around shouting SOMETHING AWFUL DOT COM.  I shut my mouth and don't interact in any way, positive or negative, with 98% of the rest of the players.  It's the simple, time-tested way of the world: you stay out of my way, I'll stay out of yours.  My "attitude" is reactionary - you're the one who started spouting hatred long before I even found the thread.

I like (or at least don't have any ire for) DarkPony because we've run together, even if just for a few minutes, and he proved himself to be a nice guy and not a moron.  I like blakavar because he's at least waiting until we "ruin your game" to pass judgement.  Amazing how far that goes in fascilitating a modicum of courtesy, if not your cherished "respect."

You, however, aren't exactly doing yourself any favors.

Squiggley, would negrep if I could. You're a bad poster.

Originally posted by AranStormah

Squiggley, would negrep if I could. You're a bad poster.

YOU'VE MADE THE LIST, MISTER!

Originally posted by Squiggley

Originally posted by tvalentine

ahh there is the goon behavior and attitude... Don't give a shit about anyone else but yourselves. Looks like you aren't part of the non vocal goons who doesn't make trouble for others, guess i was wrong on that one. Why should you be respected by others when you don't respect them?

 

You're not getting it, apparently. 

 

Have you never been a part of a group?  If you're well involved with that group, why would you sit up one day and say "I need to meet other people!" unless the group is unfulfilling?  I don't "give a shit" about anyone else because I don't [i]need to.[/i]  It's a simple matter of not wasting calories.  It's not a matter of a lack of respect, please.  It's not like I run around every game world waving my dick around shouting SOMETHING AWFUL DOT COM.  I shut my mouth and don't interact in any way, positive or negative, with 98% of the rest of the players.  It's the simple, time-tested way of the world: you stay out of my way, I'll stay out of yours.  My "attitude" is reactionary - you're the one who started spouting hatred long before I even found the thread.

 

I like (or at least don't have any ire for) DarkPony because we've run together, even if just for a few minutes, and he proved himself to be a nice guy and not a moron.  I like blakavar because he's at least waiting until we "ruin your game" to pass judgement.  Amazing how far that goes in fascilitating a modicum of courtesy, if not your cherished "respect."

 

You, however, aren't exactly doing yourself any favors.

lol ok ... what do you have to say about posts like the one below?

"Okay whoever said the goonswarm in FE was a nonissue LIED!

I made a ranged rifle crafter named Aran Stormah (how does the space work for tells btw?). When I stepped out of the bunker the first thing the FIRST person I saw was a goon, a naked one with clown facepaint. Was it a coincidence? No!! He followed me around the newbie zone oneshotting my mobs. I tried telling him to piss off but he wouldn't listen.

Seriously, this is EVE all over again. I had to quit there because they took my Chimera and then all my ISK when I tried to get it back. I don't think I can stand to go through it all again."

thats fine and cool. But when you do interact with others it doesnt need to be trolling or griefing them.

Did i ever say you did? No, i havent met any goon who has done that.

and your saying it isnt warranted? Again look at the post above... look at the goon members in other games. Reputations switch from game to game, it doesnt matter if i "spouted hatred" first because either way the goons in any game will act the same as every other game they join. Unless you or your guild members can prove me wrong by not being asshats in the games you join. That doesnt mean one person doing something that isnt disrespectful (like you ... thanks for not being an asshat btw) it means a large group doing something that doesnt ruin other people's fun day after day.

its not about ruining the whole game, its about ruining the game for others or giving them a hard time. Something i've seen in this thread and on the FE forums. There is no "changing" for your guild as a whole, i mean really unless you can prove me wrong and posts like the one above quit showing up i'll change my opinion.

like i said before, why should people respect your guild if you dont show respect back? Albeit i shouldnt have singled you out (if i did) because you did help someone out. But it doesnt exactly make all the shitty things your guild does go away.

 EDIT: spelling

Wow, go easy on the rainbow colours.

Anyway, the problem is solved. I joined a guild called SOF they've been helping me out alot. I even got a free mount without asking. If any griefers try to make trouble we have a guy that can take care of it.

 The PvP in Fallen Earth is NOT FFA. It is only in certain zones! You can kill anyone in that zone, but  it's your choice to enter that zone.

Thought I should clarify that.

I've never heard of this kids before? 

Just another group with an over inflated sense of self importance that create forum posts to make themselves seem bigger than they are?

WOW!  I like pie!

I think this shows the majority still have no clue when joining a PVP game.

1 It "IS" PVP,you expect what ?something different?

2 Rather than blame the players,blame the design,this will only once again confirm,MMORPG games do not know how to do PVP.Not in AION,not in WOW,not in ANY game.

You want fair PVP aside from latency?go play Quake or Unreal tournament.,or COD.Sorry COD is not so good anymore everything is just radar ,you know where everyone is at all times.Play COD 1.

It's not the Goons in FE you need to worry about being a zerg..

It's all the morons and asshats in the Enforcer faction that are the zerg now.  They can't hit the broad side of a barn from inside of it, so they make up for sheer ineptitude with mass numbers.

To wit, the Goons, while not being the most favored of groups out there, are actually doing some factions a favor..they're currently Travelers..or some of them are..and helping to deal with the zerg of the keyboard generals.

May not like 'em..but they are at least helping for once.

I always considered goons harmless,I mean when they were in darkfall, they had 4x our numbers, and we rolled them every time, maybe its due to FPS combat, but FE should be no different.

Goons are fairly bad when it comes to FPS games, they are good scammers, but FE is more about combat IMO.

It is not a true sandbox.

I went back to Eve, after darkfall population dropped( going to give it a nother try after expansions/transfers) and I forgot how much I missed true sandboxes after playing Darkfall.

Whoa go easy on the skittles text. *I think my my eyes are bleeding a lil*

Originally posted by Squiggley

Less than a week into my first month of FE, I had some clownshoe roll up next to me on an ATV and I stupidly ticked over to Local chat (which I filter out of all but the 'All' channel because of EXACTLY THIS KIND OF SHIT) just in time to see him say "laugh out loud goon squad, 2 bad blobs don't work here"

 

It took me about 30 seconds to realize he was apparently talking about Eve.

 

Here is what some people don't seem to understand:

The SomethingAwful forums where we're from has over 133,000 members.  We are not a large MMO guild that jumps from game to game - we are SEVERAL THOUSAND DIFFERENT PEOPLE who play whatever the hell game they want.  We congregate together because we have common background, and generally our senses of humor sync.  Groups of goons have varying degrees of sway in a lot of games, but the people on Mal'Ganis in WoW aren't necessarily the same in the massive alliance in Eve, and they sure as hell aren't necessarily the same people playing Fallen Earth.

 

There's a LOT of nerds on SA, and a lot of those nerds play games.  There are goons in every MMO out there.  If you're avoiding games because of "goons" then you may as well throw your computer off of a moving train.

 

That said, the fact that there was a pre-release thread complaining about goons MERE PRESENCE in Fallen Earth doesn't do a whole hell of a lot for community relations.  Why should we even BOTHER to try to integrate into your community and play nice if every dipshit in "The Juggalo Nation" is going to ride up to me on an ATV 3 days into my first month and start giving me shit for something from a game I've never even played?

 

This is exactly why I filter out Local chat.  If I can't see someone insulting me for absolutely no reason, then I'm less likely to get pissed and fire back and do more to "ruin" my already apparently shitty rep.  I am close to the nicest fucker you will ever interact with in an MMO, but if I'm going to take fire from all sides just because I think SA is hilarious, then I have no trouble dropping any pretense of amicability and playing the retard you expect me to be.  And if you keep stopping, dropping, and screaming your head off every time you see the Goon Squad tag, then I'm perfectly content to laugh at how retarded you're acting.

 

People were calling us out and whipping themselves into a frenzy on the FE forums before ANY goon started doing anything to deserve ire.  Now our trolls are laughing at you all for doing all their work for them.  We don't even have to POST and you whine.

 

DarkPony, if you're still watching the thread, I'm pretty sure it was me that helped you.  Was it Loki in Junk Fortress?  I helped someone fight off the constant respawn while we tried to figure out to click the stupid skull in the room to open the door.

I, for one, am willing to give you guys a chance. You have to keep in mind though, that you're wearing the banner of a community who has developed a very bad reputation in most of the games it touches. That collective sense of humor and collective set of interests you guys have has also led to a collective reputation as griefers, trolls, and unskilled zergs. People have already pointed out some instances of this in FE  from in game and on the forums. If these are the people you choose to associate with, you must be prepared for the "guilt by association", whether deserved or not.

 GOONS, NOT THAT WORD, 4.5 HALF YEAR GOONS, RUN AWAY.

(90% of the times i was ganked in WoW was by people who there in the guild Goon Squad, beware, they are everywhere!)