Siege from yesterday.  This was one side.

PS - X-fire is crap.

Still not many people, but yeah....x-fire numbers are pretty useless when it comes to population numbers.  It's usually only good for showing trends, and even that is debatable.

Originally posted by -Zeno-

Siege from yesterday.  This was one side.

PS - X-fire is crap.

Not to be harsh... but the title of your thread is incorrect.

Your title says "More players in this picture than on X-Fire total"

X-Fire for DarkFall has 77 users

The picture above has between 40-50 users... just saying. 

Does MMORPG put their logo on every image you upload or is that photo already used on the website somewhere?

Originally posted by Murashu

Does MMORPG put their logo on every image you upload

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/view/screens

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by -Zeno-

Siege from yesterday.  This was one side.

 

PS - X-fire is crap.

Not to be harsh... but the title of your thread is incorrect.

 

Your title says "More players in this picture than on X-Fire total"

X-Fire for DarkFall has 77 users

The picture above has between 40-50 users... just saying. 

 

 

he said one side :)

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by -Zeno-

Siege from yesterday.  This was one side.

PS - X-fire is crap.

Not to be harsh... but the title of your thread is incorrect.

 

Your title says "More players in this picture than on X-Fire total"

X-Fire for DarkFall has 77 users

The picture above has between 40-50 users... just saying.   

38, actually, and that's assuming ALL the mounts have people on ( some on the left side look like they don't ) and that I didn't over count ( which I probably did ). That's, you know, less than half? This guy is bad at maths.

My clan decided not to use X-fire on all the games we play together. Also i know for sure we didn't took part on that siege.

Originally posted by rafikos

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by -Zeno-

Siege from yesterday.  This was one side.

 

PS - X-fire is crap.

Not to be harsh... but the title of your thread is incorrect.

 

Your title says "More players in this picture than on X-Fire total"

X-Fire for DarkFall has 77 users

The picture above has between 40-50 users... just saying. 

 

 

 

he said one side :)

He also said:

"in this picture"

I'm not arguing that there might very well have been 100+ people at that battle. 

The picture itself though... which he says contains "more"... in fact does not. 

Edit:

Thought I better spell it out for some who might think this is a "serious issue" for me.

I am giving Zeno a hard time with this post because I think it was silly of him to try and point out that DarkFall has at least 77 players.  I seriously doubt that even the most harsh critic here believes that DarkFall has less than 77 players... so what's the point?

We all know that DarkFall has a small population for a MMO.  But, as long as they have enough to keep their players happy that is all that matters.  From those that play who post here, it seems like the population is o.k. on each server's prime time.  They admit it could be better and are hoping the upcoming "expansion" increases the population.

Anyway, just remember... if you are going to make a post claiming to have a picture showing 77+ players... make sure the picture shows 77+ players. 

 All that pic proves is that you cannot count. The pop in DF is low compared to world size and no one can debate that. Taking time to try and disprove xfire like people do only lends support to its numbers otherwise you would just ignore them because since you play the game you know how many is there. Yesterday me and some clan mates went looking for a fight. Only place we found them was on Cairn near a city. The mainland needs some serious population love.

Originally posted by parrotpholk

 All that pic proves is that you cannot count. The pop in DF is low compared to world size and no one can debate that. Taking time to try and disprove xfire like people do only lends support to its numbers otherwise you would just ignore them because since you play the game you know how many is there. Yesterday me and some clan mates went looking for a fight. Only place we found them was on Cairn near a city. The mainland needs some serious population love.

The EU community ensured the only place to find people are on the islands. Sorry, but most of the EU clans are pussies.

On topic: Xfire is crap, why would you even try to disprove the Xfire numbers? If you want to do that get all of you clan to start usin Xfire

With Warhammer, AOC, WOW and most other western MMORPGs..   Xfire usually represents about 2-3% of subscribers from the west ( WOW comes out to about 5M).

The lower the number, the more unlikely it is to be accurate though, so the 77 number means nothing.

But you can tell from just playing the game that there are probably less than 2k players per server and almost everyone in the game is in one of the few major guilds at this point.  So having 30 people lined up for one side, could very well be about  a quarter of all players on the server at that time.

Originally posted by Alandora

With Warhammer, AOC, WOW and most other western MMORPGs..   Xfire usually represents about 2-3% of subscribers from the west ( WOW comes out to about 5M).

The lower the number, the more unlikely it is to be accurate though, so the 77 number means nothing.

But you can tell from just playing the game that there are probably less than 2k players per server and almost everyone in the game is in one of the few major guilds at this point.  So having 30 people lined up for one side, could very well be about  a quarter of all players on the server at that time.

There are more than 2k, they may be that number just on the EU server, but total is more than that. People were saying there was less than 10k people playing the game total at launch and that was basically prove to be wrong.

 I still think the pop is around 15k total. Around the starter towns there are few people. When I started a new human about 2 weeks ago there was maybe 6-8 people around the town for the couple of days I was around. Only saw 1 gank squad and they didnt even loot my stone. I think the october expansion will help a bit and I also think EU1 will be a ghost town after transfers open which will make it seem much fuller. Most of the pop is on the islands though which is just a pain in the ass.

Originally posted by xpiher 

There are more than 2k, they may be that number just on the EU server, but total is more than that. People were saying there was less than 10k people playing the game total at launch and that was basically prove to be wrong.

Didn't the game peak at about 15k CHARACTERS created total on EU?

Originally posted by Dawnsinger

Originally posted by xpiher 

There are more than 2k, they may be that number just on the EU server, but total is more than that. People were saying there was less than 10k people playing the game total at launch and that was basically prove to be wrong.

Didn't the game peak at about 15k CHARACTERS created total on EU?

And no one was able to prove where that number came from. When people started pulling numbers out of their ass, serveral people actually went through the major alliances in the game and pulled their numbers from the game. There were 10k players just in the major alliances, thats when hyperion still existed. From those spreadsheets, it was estimated that EU had between 15k-30k which was probably closer to 20k.

Is havenandheart a full loot game?

Originally posted by xpiher

And no one was able to prove where that number came from. When people started pulling numbers out of their ass, serveral people actually went through the major alliances in the game and pulled their numbers from the game. There were 10k players just in the major alliances, thats when hyperion still existed. From those spreadsheets, it was estimated that EU had between 15k-30k which was probably closer to 20k.

 

Is havenandheart a full loot game?

Wasn't it 13k from EVERY single guild in the game, including deleted / unplayed characters?

Full loot and SORT of permadeath. Developers / moderators also have a policy on no interference except when people exploit bugs without reporting them.

not impressed, ive seen more in SWG (pre-CU) and in eve online (current)

Originally posted by Squal'Zell

not impressed, ive seen more in SWG (pre-CU) and in eve online (current)

Ok seriously can we keep some perspective here please. DF is not even close to either of these games. EVE  in its first year didnt have 15k subs and SWG pre CU was a known huge nerd IP with a major studio behind it of course it had more. Apples to apples would be saying UO had more in its first year or even Fallen Earth having more. Might as well say...well hell WOW has more in your example.

Originally posted by Dawnsinger

Originally posted by xpiher

And no one was able to prove where that number came from. When people started pulling numbers out of their ass, serveral people actually went through the major alliances in the game and pulled their numbers from the game. There were 10k players just in the major alliances, thats when hyperion still existed. From those spreadsheets, it was estimated that EU had between 15k-30k which was probably closer to 20k.

 

Is havenandheart a full loot game?

Wasn't it 13k from EVERY single guild in the game, including deleted / unplayed characters?

Full loot and SORT of permadeath. Developers / moderators also have a policy on no interference except when people exploit bugs without reporting them.

I think even the most ardent hater agreed it was closer to 20k. You had a lot of solo lone wolf types and even folks with 2 accounts still counts so 20 seems more realistic. 

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by Dawnsinger

Originally posted by xpiher

And no one was able to prove where that number came from. When people started pulling numbers out of their ass, serveral people actually went through the major alliances in the game and pulled their numbers from the game. There were 10k players just in the major alliances, thats when hyperion still existed. From those spreadsheets, it was estimated that EU had between 15k-30k which was probably closer to 20k.

 

Is havenandheart a full loot game?

Wasn't it 13k from EVERY single guild in the game, including deleted / unplayed characters?

Full loot and SORT of permadeath. Developers / moderators also have a policy on no interference except when people exploit bugs without reporting them.

I think even the most ardent hater agreed it was closer to 20k. You had a lot of solo lone wolf types and even folks with 2 accounts still counts so 20 seems more realistic. 

No actually us "ardent haters" as you called us called Darth out on his BS numbers of 16K.

I don't ever remember the numbers ever getting to 15K, hell back in the end of beta it was made VERY CLEAR that they had to get rid of guards and go to guard towers because the SERVERS COULDN'T HANDLE MORE THEN 10K MOBILE OBJECTS!!

You shillbots have NEVER been able to prove more then 100 people in any battle to anyone that took the time to count. Those of use that played the game know the truth so keep spinning until you crash into the ground and your servers go dark. Keep up the good spin, it will really attract lots of new blood, ROFLMAO

Originally posted by phrank

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by Dawnsinger

Originally posted by xpiher

And no one was able to prove where that number came from. When people started pulling numbers out of their ass, serveral people actually went through the major alliances in the game and pulled their numbers from the game. There were 10k players just in the major alliances, thats when hyperion still existed. From those spreadsheets, it was estimated that EU had between 15k-30k which was probably closer to 20k.

 

Is havenandheart a full loot game?

Wasn't it 13k from EVERY single guild in the game, including deleted / unplayed characters?

Full loot and SORT of permadeath. Developers / moderators also have a policy on no interference except when people exploit bugs without reporting them.

I think even the most ardent hater agreed it was closer to 20k. You had a lot of solo lone wolf types and even folks with 2 accounts still counts so 20 seems more realistic. 

 

No actually us "ardent haters" as you called us called Darth out on his BS numbers of 16K.

I don't ever remember the numbers ever getting to 15K, hell back in the end of beta it was made VERY CLEAR that they had to get rid of guards and go to guard towers because the SERVERS COULDN'T HANDLE MORE THEN 10K MOBILE OBJECTS!!

You shillbots have NEVER been able to prove more then 100 people in any battle to anyone that took the time to count. Those of use that played the game know the truth so keep spinning until you crash into the ground and your servers go dark. Keep up the good spin, it will really attract lots of new blood, ROFLMAO

Before you accuse me of being a shill maybe you should check my history. I am a hater but I have tried to never just spout BS like some. I play because a clanmate who is a good friend bought the game for me and really wanted someone to run with. The game has more holes than swiss cheese but even swiss cheese has solid points. Get your shit straight before you run off at the mouth next time mate. 

 I was at that siege.  That picture was taken earlier in the gathering, and if it could pan to the left you would see many more people, including my clan and I.

I counted 62 people while we were mustering, and that was BEFORE Vengeance and some of the Zealot clans arrived.

Btw-- that siege SUCKED.  We organize in Khosgar (the city in the pic), wait for everyone to arrive over the course of an hour, and then wait another 30 mins for our alliance to get things moving, and then finally we roll to Sorgom, hammer down 3 houses.... and that's IT! 

Well, my clan was designated the duty of recalling back to Cairn in order to scout the island and let everyone know if Force/TRA were gathering anywhere so that we could defend the shard carrier properly.  Basically, I ran around on my freakin mount for another hour and a half.  When the offensive stage of the siege started I was thinking maybe finally we would see some action tonight... but no.  I guess Imperil decided they were stretched too thin and they didn't care for Hammerdale anymore, since NO ONE showed up to defend.  Awesome.  

Waste of 4 hours, basically.

Sieges can be the best thing in the world sometimes, and just totally suck at other times.

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Originally posted by phrank

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Originally posted by parrotpholk

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Originally posted by Dawnsinger

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Originally posted by xpiher
And no one was able to prove where that number came from. When people started pulling numbers out of their ass, serveral people actually went through the major alliances in the game and pulled their numbers from the game. There were 10k players just in the major alliances, thats when hyperion still existed. From those spreadsheets, it was estimated that EU had between 15k-30k which was probably closer to 20k.
 
Is havenandheart a full loot game?

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Wasn't it 13k from EVERY single guild in the game, including deleted / unplayed characters?
Full loot and SORT of permadeath. Developers / moderators also have a policy on no interference except when people exploit bugs without reporting them.

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I think even the most ardent hater agreed it was closer to 20k. You had a lot of solo lone wolf types and even folks with 2 accounts still counts so 20 seems more realistic. 

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No actually us "ardent haters" as you called us called Darth out on his BS numbers of 16K.
I don't ever remember the numbers ever getting to 15K, hell back in the end of beta it was made VERY CLEAR that they had to get rid of guards and go to guard towers because the SERVERS COULDN'T HANDLE MORE THEN 10K MOBILE OBJECTS!!
You shillbots have NEVER been able to prove more then 100 people in any battle to anyone that took the time to count. Those of use that played the game know the truth so keep spinning until you crash into the ground and your servers go dark. Keep up the good spin, it will really attract lots of new blood, ROFLMAO

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I've participated in a 200v200 siege on Yssam during the Stasis v Yssam Alliance/Hyperion wars. The reason no one can prove more participating in a siege is because you can only see/show 1 person's perspective. I've tried explaining this before, when a siege is more than 100v100 there are smaller groups fighting on different front. The most you see in 1 area is generally 100 people, but in the entire battle zone there have been many as 500, that i know of. The largest siege on the server was against hyperion were both COTC and Hyperion + other held 3 back to back sieges, some over lapping, consisting of about a total of 1500 individual people.

And the number wasn't 13k from each clan, it was between 10k-13k from all the major alliance during the first world conflict. I know because I was the person who put together the damn spreadsheet in the first place. Estimates from people who played the game said the server was supporting about 20k people maybe more maybe a little less but not by much due to in-actives and deleted characters. You can get a decent number of how many people are playing the game by going to df.urme.com and adding up all the clan numbers since that site actually pulls all clans numbers, not just ones in the major alliances.

@APE: thats what happens when you siege so late.
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WMGUJ9kELU