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Originally posted by Airwren Not sure who this is directed at but some people have jobs, and during those working hours we need something else to do besides work. That's why we come here, bitch on the interwebz about video gamez, porn, our wives, whatever. Then we go home and play our game of choice so we can go back to work tomorrow to troll forums.
My fault for not quoting the person but thought it was a bit obvious I was talking about solareus. The difference between a hater and him is that this guy/gal posts sarcastic comments on aion pics, bury of course and makes fun of almost all of them. Has the tendency to bash aion whenever he can (almost 8h+ a day?) in many threads and this is not something that happens one day only so it's pretty obvious.
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Gameloading, we have not battled in a long time, but this is one battle I use scroll of escape /zip ... and you obviously didnt play lineage 2 when ncsoft developed the "race track" for the gold sellers to have an out of area place to sell gold. And you are right, at least there was point in playing Lineage 2 , control keeps of land area... i wait, Aion does that too but now they float in an Abyss, better know to real gamers as an " Lack of content area" . You knack for polished turds doesnt dissapoint. "Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin |
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Originally posted by solareus
Since I asked you, I began my own search. I'm not adverse to doing my own research afterall. Here's what I found and what I think from a quick look through the websites. The Good: Gamespot.com GameTrailers.com - I won't visit this site probably. I spent the last 15min trying to figure this website out and what I've learned is that they don't give any reviews or offer any opinions of their own. At least they didn't for the games I searched: WoW and WAR. However, they earned my Good list because they do a very good job of organizing informtion for each game. They have all the news and coverage out there (that I know of) for the games I searched, no matter how old the news was. mmorpg.com does a well enough job covering newly released information, so I don't see this website as necessary. The Bad: ONRPG.com G4tv.com - although they give entertaining and wordy reviews, if you watch the AION review, you will see that they don't put any effort into actually playing the games, making their reviews worthless. On the Fence: IGN - They write good reviews, but they're flawed because they're written too soon. They cover a lot of games, and offer similar things as GameSpot. I guess it'd be a choice between the two, but IGN gives hasty reviews, so I side with GameSpot.
Do you know of any other websites and do you have any opinions of the ones I listed?
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Originally posted by solareus
And why is it a lack of content area? Because it isn't filled with NPCs telling you to go kill XX for you? |
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g4tv needs to stick to console gaming and fps's. IGN is pretty good and not selling out . The hallmark of ratings for pc gaming is CVG , computer and video gaming, owned by Future Publishing, once that review is out then the real battle begins, this is just a warm up exercise here on mmorpg.com. "Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin |
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You're not new to mmorpg's so whyre you acting like it ?
"Level 32 Quest Blue Bow There is a very easy Quest that gives a great level 32 bow, you go to like Agrorius Village in Elten (Help me out here guys I can't remember and I can't login to check), and there is a quest called "Hannah's (Something)", which tells you to talk to a guy within the Fire Temple instance and has a reward for some Green boots. After you go inside Fire Temple and talk to this guy, he tells you to walk outside and turn in the quest to a chick out there, she then tells you to kill the final boss of Fire Temple to get your blue bow! If you want to do it one run, have your group help you get outside, takes like 5 min, then continue on to the final boss and you save yourself from having to endure that terrible instance again. Those are some random things I've learned, I'm 36 and a half now, going to try and push 38 before I go to sleep. Good luck and happy grinding!" "Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin |
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Originally posted by solareus Your not new to mmorpg's so whyre you acting like it ?
I'm not acting like i'm new to mmorpgs, I asked what the area is missing. |
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Originally posted by solareus
I'm a fan of PC Gamer. I sometimes buy their magazine when I see something interesting on the cover. I like how they focus on PC games. |
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Missing the cohesiveness of an actual gaming world. With floating rocks that resemble the way AoC does it's game design, excpet for the actual land part. Also Chronicles of Spellborn came up with the Abyss style game theme already with the floating shard, as well as Koas War coming up with the concept of Aions core charactor features. "Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin |
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Originally posted by solareus
Age of Conan is nothing like Aion, I'm not sure why you brought that up. There is also nothing wrong with the cohessiveness of the world, it's a pretty standard mmorpg world. It doesn't matter who did it first, nearly everything WoW and Lotro did has been done before, but these are still great games. |
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Originally posted by mmaize
The question here is did you read the post? I don't give a damn about your point. My question is to you and everyone else saying the same thing about how the review is worthless and too positive, since you seemed to miss it, was "Do you only get credible information on a game by the negative reviews that are made about it?" THAT is my question. And btw, if you actually read the thread...you would have seen several things posted about what the MMO does bring to the table that is in fact new. You might be tired of the genre but Aion does bring new things to the table. I guess because I enjoyed WoW during my time there and several others in the vast array of MMOs I've experienced that I've obviously a fanboi for each of those games too and that it can't just be that I know a good game when I play one? I don't give a damn if you don't but don't try painting me into a picture just because your threatened by a review. You want to talk specifically about why this review is a bad one and what about it you disagree with and why then let's have that discussion.
I get your point I have played EVERY MMO |
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Originally posted by Gameloading
Age of Conan is nothing like Aion, I'm not sure why you brought that up. There is also nothing wrong with the cohessiveness of the world, it's a pretty standard mmorpg world. It doesn't matter who did it first, nearly everything WoW and Lotro did has been done before, but these are still great games. Find it funny you used the word "Standard" I agree with you on this point, but you just said your self "standard" with LotrO, with Vangaurd , with Aoc, there are elements that are beyond standard, elements that makes them a unique game experience for the fans. I would love to understand the apsect of Aion that weighs the above qualities in visual aesthecic, content, mechnaics, that are disimilare to Lineage 2 and more innovative then the 3 other games I;ve listed. One of the only qualities ofAion is the character creator, which is more or less a refined CoH editor. "Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin |
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Originally posted by Airwren
As I mentioned in one of my previous posts, I don't think there's 1 website that's going to get it exactly right. My suggestion is to take a look at multiple websites and reviews. See what the reviewer has to say on positive/negative, does this jive with what other reviewers are saying? Try to formulate a complete picture based on several different points of view and the whole starts to come a little more in focus.
Yes I realize this. That doesn't take much thought to figure out. However, picking websites to do that with who have good reputations takes experience or a ton of research. I just spend some time researching myself, and Sol helped suggest some others, so now I have a good 3-4 websites to look at. |
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Okay, for those active in this discussion, what are we talking about again. I've read every post in this thread, as most can tell, but I've sort of lost track of what we're arguing about. I want to know so I can either contribute or leave. |
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Originally posted by solareus Find it funny you used the word "Standard" I agree with you on this point, but you just said your self "standard" with LotrO, with Vangaurd , with Aoc, there are elements that are beyond standard, elements that makes them a unique game experience for the fans. I would love to understand the apsect of Aion that weighs the above qualities in visual aesthecic, content, mechnaics, that are disimilare to Lineage 2 and more innovative then the 3 other games I;ve listed. One of the only qualities ofAion is the character creator, which is more or less a refined CoH editor.
Explain this please? Because I played CoH for quite a while and built multiple heroes and the editor is nothing like Aions IMO
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Originally posted by mmaize Find it funny you used the word "Standard" I agree with you on this point, but you just said your self "standard" with LotrO, with Vangaurd , with Aoc, there are elements that are beyond standard, elements that makes them a unique game experience for the fans. I would love to understand the apsect of Aion that weighs the above qualities in visual aesthecic, content, mechnaics, that are disimilare to Lineage 2 and more innovative then the 3 other games I;ve listed. One of the only qualities ofAion is the character creator, which is more or less a refined CoH editor.
Explain this please? Because I played CoH for quite a while and built multiple heroes and the editor is nothing like Aions IMO
Edited, I mistook your point. |
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Thanks Solareus for being so consise in your critque of this review, even if you are way to harsh about it. Giving them the benefit of the doubt would probably help your argument. I don't think I would go so far as to say the reviewer is a shill for ncsoft, but 8.7?? come on! That makes it the highest rated game on here, the highest rating ever given by an official review. 8.7 might be a "B+" in high school, but that grade on mmorpg.com is relative to the rest of the ratings on this site. 8.7 is saying this is the greatest game ever made... and as cool as Aion might be, I think we can safely say, that is BS. I would hope to see a new review and score or a revised one, with the past history of scoring other games taken into account. People come to this site to find out unbiased information about games they are considering purchasing, the official reviews carry alot of weight. And so, people hold mmorpg.com to high standards, and well they should. That is why you see such reactions as Solareus'. This site should thank the people who critique their reviews, as it brings about better content, demands their staff writers make decent reviews, and makes mmorpg.com better than it would be otherwise. |
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Originally posted by Paragus1 Thanks for the kind words. So far I have written 3 articles about Aion, one from 1-10, another from 10-25, and my most recent one covers 25-40ish, as I am currently a level 40 ranger. I personally think a lot of the MMORPG.com official reviews are a little light in the loafers. I wrote more about the level 1-10 game than the official reviews did in his entire review. I still stand by my suggestion of having MMORPG.com completely redo its review system by having each game reviewed by multiple people so that readers can not only get a wider array of opinions, but have a better chance of finding a reviewer with similar MMO background as them.
I agree with you, but what you touched still reinforces my point that the review was almost done too quickly. Most reviews on this site are more overviews than anything else and for some games that my work but for Aion it does not, as the game does change midway through and a player level 35-40 may see the game completely differently than one who is only lvl 20-25. |
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Originally posted by mmaize Find it funny you used the word "Standard" I agree with you on this point, but you just said your self "standard" with LotrO, with Vangaurd , with Aoc, there are elements that are beyond standard, elements that makes them a unique game experience for the fans. I would love to understand the apsect of Aion that weighs the above qualities in visual aesthecic, content, mechnaics, that are disimilare to Lineage 2 and more innovative then the 3 other games I;ve listed. One of the only qualities ofAion is the character creator, which is more or less a refined CoH editor.
Explain this please? Because I played CoH for quite a while and built multiple heroes and the editor is nothing like Aions IMO
You're right, the two games are pretty different when it comes to character creations. I really like the breadth of options AION has. CoH, and more recently Champions, have great character customization tools, but they're not the same and not equal in all areas. In short, they're different than each other, but both very good. |
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Originally posted by ghettobooste
Your main point is that mmorpg.com should pay more attention to how they score the games in their reviews. Is this correct? If so, I agree with you. Your second point is that AION doesn't deserve the best grade in town. Keep in mind that I quit the game out of dislike, but I'm trying to look at this from anothers point of view. We all assume people have played MMORPG's before if they're posting on this website. While this may be likely, it's an incorrect assumption. So let's throw that assumption out the window and assume rather than new people to the genre might be reading. In this case, referencing other games in the market would be a waste of time. So as a rule of thumb, I think referencing other games in a review should not be done. A game should be scored and left to stand on their own two feet. Another assumption is that those who have played MMORPG's before, have played so many of them that they'd notice the similarities and differences. Not all gamers are like that, and some could argue successfully that most aren't like that. So let's throw that assumption out the window as well, and instead assume that a gamer will judge AION on what AION has to offer, not on what it doesn't offer or copies in relation to other MMORPG's. Given this point of view, AION could very well be the best MMORPG they've ever played and these people may not really care what other MMORPG's have done in the past, nor should they. In this regard, we must ask ourselves, what does AION do well, and what is lacking in AION. This is why I believe in scoring a game based on tangible assets, and it doesn't hurt to throw in intangible assets at the end, with a large disclaimer that it's pure opinion after that. If you list pros and cons of a game, you let the readers decide if the game is for them. I believe that the lack of pros and cons, meaning more objectivity, in the review is what people are complaining about. |
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how does a standard MMO get an 8.7? this review is bs |
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Originally posted by tanoril
WHEN to do a review is a good topic of discussion, and I think this website should adopt some rules on this. Generally, I'd like to see a game have a Preview, First Impression, and Review. This is important, because a MMORPG offers plenty of benefits for getting into the game at release. So timing is paramount. The PREVIEW should be an overview of the game based on initial playtesting that the previewer has done, combined with evaluating how the game looks on paper. This gives a professional opinion on what players might expect for the future release and can serve as a source of advice for those not entirely sure if the game is worth their money. The FIRST IMPRESSION is almost a pure opinion piece. This piece is full of emotion, feelings, and subjectivity, but gives an idea on what the player will feel when they spend the first week in the game. Many people can relate to this and if the writer has a similar playstyle and game experience, it lends even more weight. The REVIEW is a purely scientific critique of the game, and should only be done after the reviewer has played the majority of the game. Meaning they've tried all aspects that the game offers, such as solo leveling, group leveling, PvP, crafting, and endgame content. There should be little to know feelings or emotions in this piece, and should be approached objectively. This will let readers know the pros and cons of the game and will give them much needed information to help them decide on their own if the game is worth the purchase. |
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Originally posted by nate1980
WHEN to do a review is a good topic of discussion, and I think this website should adopt some rules on this. Generally, I'd like to see a game have a Preview, First Impression, and Review. This is important, because a MMORPG offers plenty of benefits for getting into the game at release. So timing is paramount. The PREVIEW should be an overview of the game based on initial playtesting that the previewer has done, combined with evaluating how the game looks on paper. This gives a professional opinion on what players might expect for the future release and can serve as a source of advice for those not entirely sure if the game is worth their money. The FIRST IMPRESSION is almost a pure opinion piece. This piece is full of emotion, feelings, and subjectivity, but gives an idea on what the player will feel when they spend the first week in the game. Many people can relate to this and if the writer has a similar playstyle and game experience, it lends even more weight. The REVIEW is a purely scientific critique of the game, and should only be done after the reviewer has played the majority of the game. Meaning they've tried all aspects that the game offers, such as solo leveling, group leveling, PvP, crafting, and endgame content. There should be little to know feelings or emotions in this piece, and should be approached objectively. This will let readers know the pros and cons of the game and will give them much needed information to help them decide on their own if the game is worth the purchase.
Totally agree.
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This game is very polished and the combat is fun. The only problem I have with it is the gold spammers and bots. If NCsoft can clean that up they have a winner to build on. The expansion possibilities could be great with the x-y-z axis they got in this engine. |
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Originally posted by nate1980
Your main point is that mmorpg.com should pay more attention to how they score the games in their reviews. Is this correct? If so, I agree with you. Your second point is that AION doesn't deserve the best grade in town. Keep in mind that I quit the game out of dislike, but I'm trying to look at this from anothers point of view. We all assume people have played MMORPG's before if they're posting on this website. While this may be likely, it's an incorrect assumption. So let's throw that assumption out the window and assume rather than new people to the genre might be reading. In this case, referencing other games in the market would be a waste of time. So as a rule of thumb, I think referencing other games in a review should not be done. A game should be scored and left to stand on their own two feet. Another assumption is that those who have played MMORPG's before, have played so many of them that they'd notice the similarities and differences. Not all gamers are like that, and some could argue successfully that most aren't like that. So let's throw that assumption out the window as well, and instead assume that a gamer will judge AION on what AION has to offer, not on what it doesn't offer or copies in relation to other MMORPG's. Given this point of view, AION could very well be the best MMORPG they've ever played and these people may not really care what other MMORPG's have done in the past, nor should they. In this regard, we must ask ourselves, what does AION do well, and what is lacking in AION. This is why I believe in scoring a game based on tangible assets, and it doesn't hurt to throw in intangible assets at the end, with a large disclaimer that it's pure opinion after that. If you list pros and cons of a game, you let the readers decide if the game is for them. I believe that the lack of pros and cons, meaning more objectivity, in the review is what people are complaining about.
My point is there is/should be a grading curve based on previous scores given by staff writers. I think their scores are usually good, lower than other gaming sites, because they are realistic, most of the time. If this site were to give out scores like Gamespot does, every new game would be 9-10, and once you have that as a standard then there's not much room to improve. As for the reasons why this game does not deserve such a good score... as in the best score ever given out to a game. The game lacks content, is small, runs out of quests and forces you to grind, all things that are a step backward for the genre. It does things well too, but nothing so awesome to make it better than it's peers. That is just my opinion of course, but I think any reasonable reviewer would say the same, it is a decent game, but not the greatest mmo of all time... I think people are bitching because they expect a higher standard of review. I would expect a staff reviewer to have a decent knowledge of past games and how the other staff members have scored previous games, he/she should know the grading curve. |
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