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Im just surprised that a site called mmorpg.com writes a shallow review like this one. I would expect something with more depth than the regular gaming sites but this was a real dissapointment. It doesnt say more of the game than reading the Aion website about the features of the game... If WoW = The Beatles |
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Originally posted by Yamota
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Originally posted by metalhead980
It'd make sense that 10 represents perfection, but let's temper this with reality. Nothing is perfect, so perfection shouldn't be the standard of measurement. Instead, what's offered should be measured against the ideal, and against other games in the same genre. So a 10 would represent top of the line graphics, stellar gameplay, feature rich, great customer support, no stability problems with recommended specs, bug-free, and great replayability. A 1 would obviously be the complete opposite of that. A 5 would be right in the middle, or average. It's not the only way to rate a game, but it makes sense to me. It sounds logical. While innovation would be nice, it's not needed to create a great game, so I don't count innovation, evolution, or revolution of the genre as a requirement to get a great score. It certainly helps, but does not hinder at all. Also, whether a game is sandbox or themepark doesn't weigh in either, because that's just a preference, which is highly subjective. The same goes for fun. Graphics are either techinically good or not good. A low graphical game can still look good artistically, but it wouldn't compare to a game that looked as real as technology allows. Gameplay can be measured by how responsive your character is in combat, and how smooth the game flows from one task to the next, one area to the next and so on. It also represents how well things are put together, and if it is logical. Complicated things seem like a no brainer when it flows and is put together well. Feature rich means there's a lot of features. Features can be anything that enhances gameplay, such as a great and customizable UI, housing, and even an auction house. Features can be as many or as few as a developer likes, but it's a tangible that adds value to a game if they work and doesn't inhibit gameplay. For example, a death penalty is a feature, but it's a feature that can be done right or wrong. You know if it's right or wrong by if it feels natural to the game. Great customer support is easily measured. A website that offers everything a person could possibly need? Good communication between the company and players? Technical support? In-game support? Preventive and Counter measures to cheating, botting, and illegal RMT? Speed and efficiency of service both in and out of the game? Stability problems. Server related lag? Works well on recommended specs at the intended graphic settings? CTD's? Bugs. No noticable bugs in sight? Replayability? Can I play the game from 1-max level without repeating content more than once? Twice? How many times? With how many classes and races? Combinations? |
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Now first id like to say Aion is polished and has a pretty good story to it. But come on a 8.7 LOL this game is should be ranked in the 7ish range. Sic semper tyrannis "Democracy broke down, not when the Union |
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Originally posted by Dragonalf Not meaning to be flippant here but what you're asking is really irrelevant to the discussion about the validity of the rating as pertaining to the content of the MMORPG review and then comparing it to other MMO reviews on this site. You may feel these are exceptional points to make but apparently the MMORPG reviewer did not feel the same way. I can only assume that if he personally felt these were worthy of mention, he would have. Yet, he does go out of his way to point out that, in general, Aion does nothing really new or spectacular ...
The point is completely relevant considering the fact that people keep mentioning innovation as a sticking point. So if there's no contest to the questions of what Aion brings to the table then obviously it is innovative and therefore should contribute to the rating regardless if the reviewer that is being critiqued did so or not. In otherwords if someone is going to use that against the reviewer then they better be able to answer to the things that are indeed innovative.
I disagree. Also, where did you get the impression that no one contests whether it is innovative or not. I hadn't got that impression from some other comments in this thread (as well as other sites). But that's not really the point under discussion ... It seems your saying that one should have beforehand knowledge about Aion and apply that through the appropriate filter when reading a new review. That's a little dubious to assume. What if it's the first review that someone happens to read on the game? If the reviewer didn't mention these points then we can't necessarily assume he meant to or not. You have to take the review for what it is and not filter it through assumption-filtered glasses. In the end, you're arguing about whether Aion, in general, is innovative not on the relevancy of the review as written on this site. They're two different points ...
I believe I already stated that those are two separate points which you would have seen had you followed the thread. This particular point was in response to those making the argument that Aion is in no way innovative and therefore doesn't deserve the review.
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Aion is a well polished game and has a lot to offer. I enjoy playing it. However, as the reviewer stated, the problem with Aion is not with the game . . but with NCSoft itself . . . specifically, NCSoft West. As a former Lineage 2 player, I can tell you that NCSoft West's support was without doubt the worst I have ever seen in a MMO. If anything, NCSoft West is even worse with Aion. NCSoft West needs to realize that even though this game scored an 8.7 on MMORPG.COM's review, their lack of support and apathy toward its players lowers this score by 5 points in my eyes. Get with the program NCSoft. In today's economy, people are not as patient and forgiving as they used to be. http://aion.24-hrgaming.net |
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Scalebane
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Joined: 10/28/06
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I love how people get bent out of shape over a meaningless review, which they all are. The score means nothing in the long run, smart people don't base buying games off of others reviews (since all they are is opinions anyways) Smart people wait for trials etc. Anyways this is why i dislike scores being added to reviews, because everyone over-reacts to the score because it doesn't fit their Opinion on it, never mind the fact that people seem to forget everyone has different tastes and this Aion score, while good for some, isn't good for others. Perhaps you folks running MMORPG should consider not giving scores anymore and just give reviews.+
We are all ignorant until truth is revealed to us.. However.. How do we know the truth is not in fact a lie.. "When a man has lost everything, he may despair and die. He might give his soul to the fate's... or, he can resolve to take action." "The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." |
Originally posted by 1niceone1
The point is completely relevant considering the fact that people keep mentioning innovation as a sticking point. So if there's no contest to the questions of what Aion brings to the table then obviously it is innovative and therefore should contribute to the rating regardless if the reviewer that is being critiqued did so or not. In otherwords if someone is going to use that against the reviewer then they better be able to answer to the things that are indeed innovative.
It's not innovative. Rifting actually is limiting since it's not true open world PvP. I'm not sure what you mean by a layered gameworld but you can make the argument that the abyss is just one huge Battleground. Wings are nice, but again innovative? Hell, we can say WWIIOnline has aerial combat because it has planes. The reviewer himself says that Aion doesn't do anything new. What it does do it does well. I think that makes it a very straightfoward, vanilla game. There's nothing wrong with that, but the review score doesn't indicate that.
In the end a dildo with wings is innovative, that does not however mean it is a good idea, or good in practice.
I am actually not a little disgusted in this review of Aion, sure it's polished and clean but ultimately it is far from deserving of a score of 8.7! I smell something fishy going on here...smells like...tuna. I suppose, in the end, the review is entirely subjective and should be treated as such but I expected more from mmorpg.com... So then based upon your assesment if 2.5 million people order the dildo on wings such as they have subscribed to Aion accordint to MMO data, then obviously it's not a good idea or practice? Apparently people seem to have a different opinion. Now whether or not those innovative ideas are enough to provide the staying power it needs to continue to be competitive is another story. As far as your expectations, I'd imagine that your like the rest looking for as much negativity as you can garner from the review so you can sleep better at night. But the one thing you said that does actually make some sense is that it is subjective as are all reviews that aren't based upon some standard predefined measuring system and unfortunately for you many of the things that an MMO brings to the table like, oh I dunno, fun? are in fact subjective.
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Originally posted by solareus
I think Solareus made the best post ever on mmorpg. Therefore read the above once more. This one and the follow up he posted where the found out the "reviewer" lived next door to the publishers. Grtz Sol. Tx to you we see much clearer now. And ... btw NOT a word from the mmorpg.com staff in sight. Although clearly 90% of the posters here found the 8.7 a laugh COMPARED to other games. The site has always been a disgrace to Blizzard. Now it is full of a joke. Kneel down for the next 13 in a dozen Korean for the next 2 years. MMORPG.COM is from now on your trustworthy source !!! |
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Preach it Brother
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Originally posted by Zorndorf
Wow really dude? Can you be any further on blizzards crotch? Sorry but Blizzard is one other company among hundreds trying to compete in a market place. I mean if Blizzards is in fact the king of MMOs and is the one making all the money then wouldn't you think that the reviews would be posting in their favor? No? Because there is some mass conspiracy against Blizzard? Get real please. These aren't Korean reviews nor are all of these guys 'suddenly' in the pocket of NCsoft. Amazing what some of these threatened WoW players come up with. I bet you stay up at night over this crap.
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Scalebane
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Joined: 10/28/06
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This sight has officially lost all credibility <-----People keep saying this, why? because MMORPG won't follow your personal opinion of a game? rather childish as far as i'm concerned. Really people if that's how you feel, please find a place that is more credible. perhaps you'll just have to make your own, that way you can have the scores you wish to see, so you can feel better about yourself.
We are all ignorant until truth is revealed to us.. However.. How do we know the truth is not in fact a lie.. "When a man has lost everything, he may despair and die. He might give his soul to the fate's... or, he can resolve to take action." "The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." |
Originally posted by mmaize
Wow really dude? Can you be any further on blizzards crotch? Sorry but Blizzard is one other company among hundreds trying to compete in a market place. I mean if Blizzards is in fact the king of MMOs and is the one making all the money then wouldn't you think that the reviews would be posting in their favor? No? Because there is some mass conspiracy against Blizzard? Get real please. These aren't Korean reviews nor are all of these guys 'suddenly' in the pocket of NCsoft. Amazing what some of these threatened WoW players come up with. I bet you stay up at night over this crap.
AWW come on Zorndorf does make for some funny conspiracy post at times, but once and a while he does come up with some credible info even though he is a Bliizard jokey rider. Currently playing: Aion Played: L2 RFO EvE R.O.S.E EQ2 HellGate:London TRIBES2 WOW WarHammer |
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I can happily say I have been coming to this site since it was introduced, and for the most part I have loved my many years here. But This Aion review really pisses me off. During the ENTIRE review, I could barely get any good creditable info on the game I might by, all I could read sounded like some 14 year old Korean kid whos been waiting on Aion for 5 years.
The most one sided review I have ever seen. Next time hit end level and really dig deep into the endgame, and give us some friggin information instead of just gloss and frosting. I have played EVERY MMO |
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Originally posted by Player_420
So again, help me out here people. What your saying is that you can only get credible information on a game by the negative reviews that are made about it?
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To each there own I guess, Aion is a bland, repetitive, albeit highly polished grinder to me. (with really poor customer service and an issue with gold sellers and botting to be honest)...its does what it sets out to do in a very stable but very uninspired way. In effect it's just more of the same, like the third or fourth sequel to a superhero movie franchise that keeps racking in the cash despite not improving :p Personally its a 7(ish) for me, if you just wat another on rails, hand holding, MMO experience in a polished and eastern themed game-world than Aion is worth a shot if you are tired of WoW. |
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uuuh did you read the post you quoted? I said the review wasnt full of much usful information I didnt already know, and anything negative he did mention was glossed over with fluff. My point is that this review was written by an obvious loyal fan of Aion...Whats your point? That you really like this game cause your the "abyss stalker" and a standard Asian grinder MMO that brings NOTHING new to the table besides wings deserves the best review score on the site? I have played EVERY MMO |
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Originally posted by Player_420
The question here is did you read the post? I don't give a damn about your point. My question is to you and everyone else saying the same thing about how the review is worthless and too positive, since you seemed to miss it, was "Do you only get credible information on a game by the negative reviews that are made about it?" THAT is my question. And btw, if you actually read the thread...you would have seen several things posted about what the MMO does bring to the table that is in fact new. You might be tired of the genre but Aion does bring new things to the table. I guess because I enjoyed WoW during my time there and several others in the vast array of MMOs I've experienced that I've obviously a fanboi for each of those games too and that it can't just be that I know a good game when I play one? I don't give a damn if you don't but don't try painting me into a picture just because your threatened by a review. You want to talk specifically about why this review is a bad one and what about it you disagree with and why then let's have that discussion.
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Aiobn is a 8.7 , fallen earth is a 10
My review of Fallen Earth I just shot a gun and itwas amazing, 10/10. "Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin |
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Originally posted by solareus
Thanks for your great insight and you generous contribution to this discussion. You achieved as much as many people on this thread (bash Aion) without 1/10th of the talk. Gratz At least you didnt made us spent so much time reading it as some of the other haters Playing: Aion, Uncharted 2, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue |
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read about 3 pages back, I laid out my theroies and conspiracies lol. MMorPG has officially lost all street cred to loyal followers. If I were Turbine , Blizzard and any other big gaming company I would not even deal with mmorpg.com. "Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin |
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Originally posted by solareus
Yeah maybe next time they should ask you and others alike whats the score they should award. Maybe that way their credibility could be conserved.... Playing: Aion, Uncharted 2, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue |
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Originally posted by solareus Yes, because if you hate a game, it's obviously a failure, so everyone who likes it is clearly out of their mind. How much time do you spend every day looking for opportunities to bash Aion? Isn't there some far superior game you should be spending your time playing? |
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your going to make me go line for line on this review arent you , with only 4 hour sleep ? "Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin |
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