If I wanted to play DF on the NA server, I'd be charged another 50 bucks if I wanted to play today?  My only other option would be to wait till transfers are available?..

Thats correct : )

Atleast i think it is so.

You answered your own question. Theres a diff between Euro and NA

Remember that DF is a european game. US games does always the same thing with europe, and noone complains about it. So why would people complain now? Its like it always been.

Hmm.. again loose speak covers the butts of a lying company..

You guys are seriously messed up in the head for bitching at the OP for complaining about this.  Tasos misled everyone regarding having to buy another client.  It's bullshit.  I would still be playing if it wasn't for the dupe.  I have posted his quote numerous times but will not do so again.

Yes its bullshit. They made it very clear when i bought the EU client that we will be able to play NA no problem, just had to wait for them to get the servers up and running. We didnt buy the client just for EU...

But as soon the transfer goes live..its no problem anymore. So why whine about it?

Could they have handled the transfers better? Obviously.  Just be glad they should be coming by the end of the current month along with the expansion.  I bought and played on EU - 1 but didn't resub after the first month because AV wasn't telling us when the NA server was coming.  So when NA came I just bought the game over again. 

What they really should have done is just told people they could transfer to NA right away if they rerolled a new character.  I feel they should have made everyone reroll from EU to NA so that people were on an even playing field.  It is really shitty that AV has kept putting off the transfers, cause if I was on EU waiting for NA I'd have no reason to play since EU transfers have to leave all gear behind.  Sure I'd grind skills, but having gear would be pointless.

Originally posted by Ruyn

You guys are seriously messed up in the head for bitching at the OP for complaining about this.  Tasos misled everyone regarding having to buy another client.  It's bullshit.  I would still be playing if it wasn't for the dupe.  I have posted his quote numerous times but will not do so again.

No they didn't. Go read the interview. All they said was they would make allowances for NA players playing on the EU server to play on the NA server when the time comes. That could mean anything as in transfers with fees, transfers without fees, being able to just create a character on the NA server day 1, transfers day 1, transfer 6 months after the server launch, etc.

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by Ruyn

You guys are seriously messed up in the head for bitching at the OP for complaining about this.  Tasos misled everyone regarding having to buy another client.  It's bullshit.  I would still be playing if it wasn't for the dupe.  I have posted his quote numerous times but will not do so again.

 

No they didn't. Go read the interview. All they said was they would make allowances for NA players playing on the EU server to play on the NA server when the time comes. That could mean anything as in transfers with fees, transfers without fees, being able to just create a character on the NA server day 1, transfers day 1, transfer 6 months after the server launch, etc.

Giving the part of your post that I highlighted consideration, Tasos/Aventurine did mislead their player-base. If Tasos/Aventurine hadn't made the stealth change in policy changing it from single character per server to single character per account, then most of the outcry would never have happened.

I would like to think that most players could understand the need for a waiting period before established characters would be allowed to transfer to a new server.

Then again I have been wrong before.

Originally posted by asdar

troll for sure.

You can't tell me someone has been playing on Europe and didn't know this information.

Either troll or slow in the wits, in which case I apologize.

.. yeah.. must be slow because I thought aventurine was an honest company..

Haven't been playing do to horrible ping, change in family, and just straight frustration with aventurine. I bought the game about a month after it came out, was pissed when I was so far behind due to exploits and macroing that aventurine "fixed", terrible and ping, then decided that I didn't like playing the game the way it was currently .. And from the looks of it.. I am still not going to be playing Darkfall. 

Originally posted by Random_mage

Originally posted by asdar

troll for sure.

You can't tell me someone has been playing on Europe and didn't know this information.

Either troll or slow in the wits, in which case I apologize.

 

.. yeah.. must be slow because I thought aventurine was an honest company..

Haven't been playing do to horrible ping, change in family, and just straight frustration with aventurine. I bought the game about a month after it came out, was pissed when I was so far behind due to exploits and macroing that aventurine "fixed", terrible and ping, then decided that I didn't like playing the game the way it was currently .. And from the looks of it.. I am still not going to be playing Darkfall. 

They leveled the playing field between those who exploited/macroed and those that didn't by reducing the total amount of grind needed to level. Now, you can have a competeive toon in a month easy. You must of had really sucky connection or live really far from the server if you thought ping was terrbile; I'm from IN and my ping on avg is 150 to EU server

 Wait a minute... Darkfall was released?

Originally posted by Player_420

You answered your own question. Theres a diff between Euro and NA

If it was different publishers, you would have a point.  Since they are self published in both places it is nothing more than a completely and totally inappropriate money grab after saying that NA players would be able to transfer to NA, no problems.

Respit hit it right on the head. They pulled  a bait and switch which where I come from is illegal and unethical.

For those shillbots that think Av can do no wrong, keep spinning all the way into the ground. You drive more potential customers away daily with your constant illogical drivel.

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by Player_420

You answered your own question. Theres a diff between Euro and NA

If it was different publishers, you would have a point.  Since they are self published in both places it is nothing more than a completely and totally inappropriate money grab after saying that NA players would be able to transfer to NA, no problems.

 

But ..they don't self publish in both places.. Audio Visual Enterprises S.A published in EU and  in about 50 countrys and not in NA.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by Player_420

You answered your own question. Theres a diff between Euro and NA

If it was different publishers, you would have a point.  Since they are self published in both places it is nothing more than a completely and totally inappropriate money grab after saying that NA players would be able to transfer to NA, no problems.

 

 

But ..they don't self publish in both places.. Audio Visual Enterprises S.A published in EU and  in about 50 countrys and not in NA.

Keep telling yourself that.  That is what was announced about a year before going live in the EU,   Sure funny A.V.E. doesn't claim to have anything to do with DFO now. 

Let me see, if I want to contact A.V.E., S.A. I wonder waht their address is?

per Aventurine website:

Contacting Audio Visual Enterprises S.A.

If you have any questions about this Privacy Policy, or the privacy practices of Audio Visual Enterprises S.A, please contact us You can contact us at the following address:

Audio Visual Enterprises S.A., 3 Parnonos Str, Marousi 15125, Athens, Greece or by emailing privacy@aventurine.gr
 

Aventurine SA  Apostolou Pavlou 10B Marousi 15233  Greece

If I was a betting person, I bet a box of Krispy Kreme donuts that says it's the same damn company since they are in the same town and their email address is to aventurine! 

i REALLY HAVE MISSED THE DRAMA OF df

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by Player_420

You answered your own question. Theres a diff between Euro and NA

If it was different publishers, you would have a point.  Since they are self published in both places it is nothing more than a completely and totally inappropriate money grab after saying that NA players would be able to transfer to NA, no problems.

 

 

But ..they don't self publish in both places.. Audio Visual Enterprises S.A published in EU and  in about 50 countrys and not in NA.

 

Keep telling yourself that.  That is what was announced about a year before going live in the EU,   Sure funny A.V.E. doesn't claim to have anything to do with DFO now. 

Let me see, if I want to contact A.V.E., S.A. I wonder waht their address is?

per Aventurine website:

Contacting Audio Visual Enterprises S.A.

If you have any questions about this Privacy Policy, or the privacy practices of Audio Visual Enterprises S.A, please contact us You can contact us at the following address:

Audio Visual Enterprises S.A., 3 Parnonos Str, Marousi 15125, Athens, Greece or by emailing privacy@aventurine.gr

Aventurine SA Apostolou Pavlou 10B Marousi 15233 Greece

If I was a betting person, I bet a box of Krispy Kreme donuts that says it's the same damn company since they are in the same town and their email address is to aventurine!

I think you have to agree to ToS anytime you logon ..

Eu account managment ToS

"Audio Visual Enterprises S.A. / Darkfall Web Site

Terms of Service

AUDIO VISUAL ENTERPRISES S.A. THE EUROPEAN PUBLISHER OF DARKFALL PROVIDES THIS SITE AND RELATED SERVICES SUBJECT TO YOUR COMPLIANCE WITH THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS SET FORTH BELOW. PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION CAREFULLY:

1. Web Copyright Information

All pages within this Internet site ("Site") are the property of Audio Visual Enterprises S.A. and/or its affiliates. No portion of the materials on these pages may be reprinted or republished in any form without the express written permission of Audio Visual Enterprises S.A.

2. Trademark Notice

“Darkfall", “Darkfall Online” and the Darkfall logo are trademarks and service marks of Aventurine S.A. who has granted the European license to Audio Visual Enterpises S.A., All other trademarks, service marks and logos used in this Site are the trademarks, service marks or logos of their respective owners. "

hm i don't think you have an idea who audio visual are ? the biggest publisher and distributor in greece for anything music/movie .. founded 1982, way before any Aventurine or any or even any MMO had seen the light of the world.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by Player_420

You answered your own question. Theres a diff between Euro and NA

If it was different publishers, you would have a point.  Since they are self published in both places it is nothing more than a completely and totally inappropriate money grab after saying that NA players would be able to transfer to NA, no problems.

 

 

But ..they don't self publish in both places.. Audio Visual Enterprises S.A published in EU and  in about 50 countrys and not in NA.

 

Keep telling yourself that.  That is what was announced about a year before going live in the EU,   Sure funny A.V.E. doesn't claim to have anything to do with DFO now. 

 

I think you have to agree to ToS anytime you logon ..

Eu account managment ToS

"Audio Visual Enterprises S.A. / Darkfall Web Site

Terms of Service

AUDIO VISUAL ENTERPRISES S.A. THE EUROPEAN PUBLISHER OF DARKFALL PROVIDES THIS SITE AND RELATED SERVICES SUBJECT TO YOUR COMPLIANCE WITH THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS SET FORTH BELOW. PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION CAREFULLY:

1. Web Copyright Information

All pages within this Internet site ("Site") are the property of Audio Visual Enterprises S.A. and/or its affiliates. No portion of the materials on these pages may be reprinted or republished in any form without the express written permission of Audio Visual Enterprises S.A.

2. Trademark Notice

“Darkfall", “Darkfall Online” and the Darkfall logo are trademarks and service marks of Aventurine S.A. who has granted the European license to Audio Visual Enterpises S.A., All other trademarks, service marks and logos used in this Site are the trademarks, service marks or logos of their respective owners. "

I'm telling you Darth, the two are owned by the same people. 

like above poster it came out that aventurine were publishing it in america too. So Aventurine ripped or tried to rip alot of thier small community off. end of story. been disscussed to death already.

so wait for transfers or don't play and quit QQ'ing on forums, and other guys stop defending aventurine they are not perfect that should be transparent to a 9 year old.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by Player_420

You answered your own question. Theres a diff between Euro and NA

If it was different publishers, you would have a point.  Since they are self published in both places it is nothing more than a completely and totally inappropriate money grab after saying that NA players would be able to transfer to NA, no problems.

 

 

But ..they don't self publish in both places.. Audio Visual Enterprises S.A published in EU and  in about 50 countrys and not in NA.

 

Keep telling yourself that.  That is what was announced about a year before going live in the EU,   Sure funny A.V.E. doesn't claim to have anything to do with DFO now. 

 

I think you have to agree to ToS anytime you logon ..

Eu account managment ToS

"Audio Visual Enterprises S.A. / Darkfall Web Site

Terms of Service

AUDIO VISUAL ENTERPRISES S.A. THE EUROPEAN PUBLISHER OF DARKFALL PROVIDES THIS SITE AND RELATED SERVICES SUBJECT TO YOUR COMPLIANCE WITH THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS SET FORTH BELOW. PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION CAREFULLY:

1. Web Copyright Information

All pages within this Internet site ("Site") are the property of Audio Visual Enterprises S.A. and/or its affiliates. No portion of the materials on these pages may be reprinted or republished in any form without the express written permission of Audio Visual Enterprises S.A.

2. Trademark Notice

“Darkfall", “Darkfall Online” and the Darkfall logo are trademarks and service marks of Aventurine S.A. who has granted the European license to Audio Visual Enterpises S.A., All other trademarks, service marks and logos used in this Site are the trademarks, service marks or logos of their respective owners. "

I agree with you going by the letter of law, Darth.
 

However, even you must admit that it does seem a bit odd that if you visit Audio Visual's own web site:

www.audiovisual.gr/

There isn't a peep about DarkFall, or Aventurine.  Can the same be said of any other MMO publisher?  None, that I know of.

Anyway, I think most would agree it's an odd arrangement that Aventurine and Audio Visual have with each other.  Publishers are usually the ones who put physical boxes on the shelves.  As far as I know... the only way to buy DarkFall has been download.  Publishers are also usually responsible for advertising.  That part too seems to be MIA. 

So yeah, Audio Visual would appear by all the words and paperwork to be the publisher of DarkFall for Europe.  Trouble is, there isn't a single piece anyone can point to that shows what they've actually done. 

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by Player_420

You answered your own question. Theres a diff between Euro and NA

If it was different publishers, you would have a point.  Since they are self published in both places it is nothing more than a completely and totally inappropriate money grab after saying that NA players would be able to transfer to NA, no problems.

 

 

But ..they don't self publish in both places.. Audio Visual Enterprises S.A published in EU and  in about 50 countrys and not in NA.

 

Keep telling yourself that.  That is what was announced about a year before going live in the EU,   Sure funny A.V.E. doesn't claim to have anything to do with DFO now. 

 

I think you have to agree to ToS anytime you logon ..

Eu account managment ToS

"Audio Visual Enterprises S.A. / Darkfall Web Site

Terms of Service

AUDIO VISUAL ENTERPRISES S.A. THE EUROPEAN PUBLISHER OF DARKFALL PROVIDES THIS SITE AND RELATED SERVICES SUBJECT TO YOUR COMPLIANCE WITH THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS SET FORTH BELOW. PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION CAREFULLY:

1. Web Copyright Information

All pages within this Internet site ("Site") are the property of Audio Visual Enterprises S.A. and/or its affiliates. No portion of the materials on these pages may be reprinted or republished in any form without the express written permission of Audio Visual Enterprises S.A.

2. Trademark Notice

“Darkfall", “Darkfall Online” and the Darkfall logo are trademarks and service marks of Aventurine S.A. who has granted the European license to Audio Visual Enterpises S.A., All other trademarks, service marks and logos used in this Site are the trademarks, service marks or logos of their respective owners. "

I agree with you going by the letter of law, Darth.
 

 

However, even you must admit that it does seem a bit odd that if you visit Audio Visual's own web site:

www.audiovisual.gr/

 

There isn't a peep about DarkFall, or Aventurine.  Can the same be said of any other MMO publisher?  None, that I know of.

Anyway, I think most would agree it's an odd arrangement that Aventurine and Audio Visual have with each other.  Publishers are usually the ones who put physical boxes on the shelves.  As far as I know... the only way to buy DarkFall has been download.  Publishers are also usually responsible for advertising.  That part too seems to be MIA. 

So yeah, Audio Visual would appear by all the words and paperwork to be the publisher of DarkFall for Europe.  Trouble is, there isn't a single piece anyone can point to that shows what they've actually done. 

They just a lousy publisher not doing the work on their side , i can agree on that with you. Dunno why they still not strted to ship reatil copies or started advertising. But the get 65% of the revenue or something like that was the deal wih AV.. but i can remember that 150 AVE people sitting on the accounting end or thats the number have been tossed around if i remember right.. (i remember wrong no specific number on accounting just an overall number of 900 employees for AVE has been mentioned)

Originally posted by Consensus

like above poster it came out that aventurine were publishing it in america too. So Aventurine ripped or tried to rip alot of thier small community off. end of story. been disscussed to death already.

so wait for transfers or don't play and quit QQ'ing on forums, and other guys stop defending aventurine they are not perfect that should be transparent to a 9 year old.

Audio Visual Entertainment owns some of the rights to the EU version of darkfall, AV owns all the rights to darkfall in NA. Besides that, They didn't rip anyone off. Transfers are free and you don't have to buy the game again when you transfer. In fact, you can play on both servers with 1 account, but you have to sub up to each server since the rights are owned by different companies.