I noticed that the game makers were offering long-term discounts and in-game bonuses for those buying an extended subscription ahead of time.

Boy was I taken aback when I saw that they were charging the same price for the equivalent of the WoW Battlechest (Vanilla/Original Wow and The Burning Crusade Expansion pack), as well as the same monthly fees.

The game isn't finished. They're offering 1 race and a very limited amount of real estate. The game is going to bug-ridden, laggy, etc., all the same stuff you get when a new MMORPG comes out.

Yet they want to charge the same amount as the single most popular, proven and tested MMO out there.

I just don't get it. I really don't. The gall. Why do all these new games think they can roll up in their Hyundais with the bumper falling off and expect you to pay the same price you paid for your souped-up BMW?

Alganon was one of the few games I actually had some hopes for, and was actively looking forward to (despite the cries of "WoW-clone" I hear around here). This really made me roll my eyes and say "what the hell?"

Guys, read your own press releases. The product that you're releasing is not complete. You've said it yourselves. How the hell can you honestly charge people those ridiculous prices for a game that is (1) admittedly half-baked and (2) untested and untried? Do you really think early adopters are that silly with their cash?

This really put me off the game. Wanting me to pay premium prices for something they haven't finished and I am unable to get any feedback on ahead of time.

Unmitigated gall.

I was actually shocked when I looked at the website. There are four classes. FOUR.

Interesting idea, though. It seems they have a F2P setup, but are charging a lot of money. Who is actually looking forward to this game?

The other thing which really doesn't seem to have been thought through properly:

Starting with a small number of classes and races, polished to a shine, and then adding others later. Reasonable idea. Leave aside the fact that Alganon isn't even remotely polished, but releasing with limited content is pretty much the only sensible approach for a low-budget title.

BUT! Alganon's shtick is that it's a race/class/level WoW clone melded with the time-based skilling of EVE Online. This is going to get real ugly when new races/classes launch. If you decide you want to play one of the new ones, you not only need to re-level from 1 (to be expected), but also, you've lost all the real-time investment in your studies, gone forever, and you are guaranteed permanently behind everyone who started a class/race that was in at launch, and stuck to it.

The design element and the development methodology just don't play well together.

i mean.... is 13 bucks a month really THAT much for an mmo subscription? so what if they charge the same as they do for wow? with the amount of subs wow has they should be charging us all LESS! everquest one puts out a expansion every 6-8 months, and they have a fraction of the playerbase wow does, yet it takes wow years to come out with the next expansion. you would think that as a consumer we would be getting better quality, more content ect ect from a company thats making that much profit.

Alganon on the other had does not have the profit margin, the staff, and all the other good things an established MMO has. they have investors in the company that want to see atleast some recoup of investments and they also want capital so that they can ADD all those damn features so they can *hopefully* have a decent mmo in a years time. lets put the prices into prospective

1 night at the movies around 8 bucks per ticket, popcorn and a drink, were looking at a cool 20 bucks, ( and thats understating it )

a damn number six on the tacobell menu costs almost 9 bucks! and you only spend at most 30 mins eating that!

your getting an entire month of subscription, the cost to entertainment value is almost astronomical in comparison.

its cheap skates like this that are the reason indy mmo companies will have a hard time breaking into the market.

Originally posted by Navydt

i mean.... is 13 bucks a month really THAT much for an mmo subscription? so what if they charge the same as they do for wow? with the amount of subs wow has they should be charging us all LESS! everquest one puts out a expansion every 6-8 months, and they have a fraction of the playerbase wow does, yet it takes wow years to come out with the next expansion. you would think that as a consumer we would be getting better quality, more content ect ect from a company thats making that much profit.

Alganon on the other had does not have the profit margin, the staff, and all the other good things an established MMO has. they have investors in the company that want to see atleast some recoup of investments and they also want capital so that they can ADD all those damn features so they can *hopefully* have a decent mmo in a years time. lets put the prices into prospective

1 night at the movies around 8 bucks per ticket, popcorn and a drink, were looking at a cool 20 bucks, ( and thats understating it )

a damn number six on the tacobell menu costs almost 9 bucks! and you only spend at most 30 mins eating that!

your getting an entire month of subscription, the cost to entertainment value is almost astronomical in comparison.

its cheap skates like this that are the reason indy mmo companies will have a hard time breaking into the market.

It's hardly a question of being cheap or being able to afford $15/month. It's what you're getting for it, and what you're going to give up instead. Most folks don't have the time to play more than one MMO at a time with any dedication.

Very few people, aside from over-excited early adopters, are going to purchase a game with no subscribers, sight unseen, at a premium price level when you can play established, premium games that will allow players to test them out first. It's just common sense. What makes Alganon so special and different?

Because they're an "indie" developer they should expect me to pay more than the game is worth? A game that has 1 race, 4 classes, a very limited playable area and you're not allowed to know anything about it ahead of time? Please...

Alganon may very well get 10,000 early adopters who go with it sight unseen, but they're going to plateau early. For an MMORPG to succeed, they need a decent sized community. Creating a huge barrier to entry just seems counter-intuitive to creating that initial community.

What is a number 6 by you?

The thing is WoW was no BMW when it launched as well but it cost 50 bucks and a 15 bucks a month sub just as this game. It don't matter if its just launched or if its been out 5 years. Its just a standard price for a game and a sub.

Originally posted by PhelimReagh

I just don't get it. I really don't. The gall. Why do all these new games think they can roll up in their Hyundais with the bumper falling off and expect you to pay the same price you paid for your souped-up BMW?

As long as people jump on board and pay, developers will continue this practice. Consumers influence the market by buying or not buying. For a lot of people, $50.00 isn't that much money.

Originally posted by Navydt

i mean.... is 13 bucks a month really THAT much for an mmo subscription? so what if they charge the same as they do for wow? with the amount of subs wow has they should be charging us all LESS! everquest one puts out a expansion every 6-8 months, and they have a fraction of the playerbase wow does, yet it takes wow years to come out with the next expansion. you would think that as a consumer we would be getting better quality, more content ect ect from a company thats making that much profit.

Alganon on the other had does not have the profit margin, the staff, and all the other good things an established MMO has. they have investors in the company that want to see atleast some recoup of investments and they also want capital so that they can ADD all those damn features so they can *hopefully* have a decent mmo in a years time. lets put the prices into prospective

1 night at the movies around 8 bucks per ticket, popcorn and a drink, were looking at a cool 20 bucks, ( and thats understating it )

a damn number six on the tacobell menu costs almost 9 bucks! and you only spend at most 30 mins eating that!

your getting an entire month of subscription, the cost to entertainment value is almost astronomical in comparison.

its cheap skates like this that are the reason indy mmo companies will have a hard time breaking into the market.

I agree fully.Blizzard has actually laughed in the face of their customers,they figure we have sold them a cheap lemon and now we can feed them anything ,they will buy it.

Do you realize the state Blizzard is in??they could fail massively and still outsell most other games on any xpac.The xpac could be total garbage,and maybe only 15% buy it,that is still large numbers.Why? because there is usually at least 15% if not more ,faithful that will buy the next xpac no matter what.

What Blizzard has done more than anything is create a following,sort of like people who buy into government propaganda,they will eat up anything they are fed.They have not given back to the customer anything worthy of the multi millions they have raped from their customers,pretty much exactly like that same Government that rapes your taxes.

Originally posted by PhelimReagh

I just don't get it. I really don't.

Of course you do, but it is worth a try to act as if you don't.

As an indie dev with a game that well dosent really do anything much different than all the other games out there, with a low budget, less content and alot of lack of polish wants to charge you more than games like lotro, war, aoc, wow, eq2 it really dosent make sense to me atleast.

Originally posted by Gabby-air

As an indie dev with a game that well dosent really do anything much different than all the other games out there, with a low budget, less content and alot of lack of polish wants to charge you more than games like lotro, war, aoc, wow, eq2 it really dosent make sense to me atleast.

What game is that? Or has Alganon published their prices? Can you link them for me? I cant find them.

Originally posted by mrcalhou

What is a number 6 by you?

A number six is menu is 2 chalupas, 1 taco, plus a large 32 Oz softdrink. i prefer mine with steak and extra sour cream and guacamole.

i mean, all in all with my extras were talking about a 10 dollar meal 3/4ths the cost of an ENTIRE month of MMO subscription. its not about expecting more for our money, or getting an under developed product. what is wrong with america today is we are prefectly happy buying a fast food meal that took 32 seconds to make by a guy whos not qualified to do more then a minimum wage job, but were not willing to pay that same amount of money to a guy who went to collage for a degree and spent possibly the last 3 years of their life making? i can honestly tell you, if i had a choice between investing my money in the game industry or investing my money in americans stuffing their fat faces ( me included ) im pretty sure you know where i would put my money.

The point is, your getting alot more for your money than you think, you just choose to look at it differently. thats fine and all, and thats why i fight for this country to defend that right, but you cant tell me that they are totally wrong. they do it because we allow them to do it and will continue to do so. stop being a cheat skate give the working american what they deserve. i would rather have my money going to taco-bell guy and indie american mmo programer  then to some asian company who underpays/over works their employees at any rate.

Originally posted by Delanor

Originally posted by PhelimReagh

I just don't get it. I really don't.

 

Of course you do, but it is worth a try to act as if you don't.

As if that response made even a lick o' sense.

Originally posted by Delanor

Originally posted by Gabby-air

As an indie dev with a game that well dosent really do anything much different than all the other games out there, with a low budget, less content and alot of lack of polish wants to charge you more than games like lotro, war, aoc, wow, eq2 it really dosent make sense to me atleast.

 

What game is that? Or has Alganon published their prices? Can you link them for me? I cant find them.

You need to set up a MyAlganon account, and you can see the pricing. They don't have the guts to publish the prices. LOL.

$40 to download the game, and the same monthly terms as WoW.

Originally posted by PhelimReagh

Originally posted by Delanor

Originally posted by Gabby-air

As an indie dev with a game that well dosent really do anything much different than all the other games out there, with a low budget, less content and alot of lack of polish wants to charge you more than games like lotro, war, aoc, wow, eq2 it really dosent make sense to me atleast.

 

What game is that? Or has Alganon published their prices? Can you link them for me? I cant find them.

 

You need to set up a MyAlganon account, and you can see the pricing. They don't have the guts to publish the prices. LOL.

 

$40 to download the game, and the same monthly terms as WoW.

So, normal pricing, not more expensive than games like lotro, war, aoc, wow, eq2. That was to be expected.

Originally posted by PhelimReagh

Originally posted by Delanor

Originally posted by PhelimReagh

I just don't get it. I really don't.

 

Of course you do, but it is worth a try to act as if you don't.

 

As if that response made even a lick o' sense.

No need to use the same strategy on me.

 I'm interested in this game but i'm not going to pay $15 a month for it as i'm generally a casual gamer. I think this company should try a payment system where you buy login time, now that would be unique and i then i can use my time we i have time. If i was to pay $15 a month i'd just buy the next wow expansion and pretend i liked it because it is bug free.

So 1 race, and real time skill training.  If they allow pvp they will never be able to add another race, they  wont even be able to train lol.

1 race, 4 classes and they wanna charge standard mmo prices?  If they follow along eve's path, there will never be more than 1 race, just other factions.  I am on the fence for this one.  Whoever gets to be athe Dreadnought gonna be one bad mutha  LOL

from what ive read the study system is not going to be one of those all empowering skill sets. its not like the first people on the server will be UBER WTFBBQPWN and no one else will be able to compete. i think your really missing the entire spirit of this game, its ment to be a casual game that you can gain the best items via any means you want, be that adventure, or crafting. i mean, have you even read anything that was on the website?

Originally posted by Delanor

Originally posted by PhelimReagh

Originally posted by Delanor

Originally posted by Gabby-air

As an indie dev with a game that well dosent really do anything much different than all the other games out there, with a low budget, less content and alot of lack of polish wants to charge you more than games like lotro, war, aoc, wow, eq2 it really dosent make sense to me atleast.

 

What game is that? Or has Alganon published their prices? Can you link them for me? I cant find them.

 

You need to set up a MyAlganon account, and you can see the pricing. They don't have the guts to publish the prices. LOL.

 

$40 to download the game, and the same monthly terms as WoW.

 

So, normal pricing, not more expensive than games like lotro, war, aoc, wow, eq2. That was to be expected.

Lotro=costs 10 bucks to buy and im pretty sure its 10/month too

War has same price as alganon

aoc box is half price of alganon

wow's battlechest is like 30 bucks and it has 2 big guides in there too

EQ2 with 16 expansions if im not mistaken is 30 bucks?

So no there not the same price

Eh, If they are only giving us half the game, people who get the game within the first month/preorder get to pay half price and get the other half free, while anyone after that pays normal fees.  I just mean for the download, not monthly.

I think 9.99 is a perfectly fine price if you pre order the game.

But only one race and 4 classes.  <.<

Originally posted by Gabby-air

Originally posted by Delanor

Originally posted by PhelimReagh

Originally posted by Delanor

Originally posted by Gabby-air

As an indie dev with a game that well dosent really do anything much different than all the other games out there, with a low budget, less content and alot of lack of polish wants to charge you more than games like lotro, war, aoc, wow, eq2 it really dosent make sense to me atleast.

 

What game is that? Or has Alganon published their prices? Can you link them for me? I cant find them.

 

You need to set up a MyAlganon account, and you can see the pricing. They don't have the guts to publish the prices. LOL.

 

$40 to download the game, and the same monthly terms as WoW.

 

So, normal pricing, not more expensive than games like lotro, war, aoc, wow, eq2. That was to be expected.

Lotro=costs 10 bucks to buy and im pretty sure its 10/month too

War has same price as alganon

aoc box is half price of alganon

wow's battlechest is like 30 bucks and it has 2 big guides in there too

EQ2 with 16 expansions if im not mistaken is 30 bucks?

So no there not the same price

At launch EQ 2 and WoW did cost $49.99, for example.

One race per faction for a total of two races, not one race.

Still, that's not a lot of races.

Im not in any way bashing the devs of Alganon when saying this...

You dont charge ppl for something that isn't ...

And ... You dont charge ppl for something that might be...

Subbing a game that one day is said "by the devs" to be like this or like that... Thats not acceptable.  If it was - then pretty much every person on the planet would be multi millioner based on ideas - and NOTHINg other than ideas... 

It sounds good... but Its bad - REALLY BAD...

Just promise me one thing world... Don't give away money like that for absolutly nothing.  Like I posted before on a post that was deleted.  Sponsor a child if you are desperate to give away money... Dont give it to ppl that take your sub money and THEN they might actually think of making something...  Ye... right...