Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by Brahm

Originally posted by kamenwati

When are you game-hoppers going to figure out that MMOs need a few months to get broken in? Spare yourself the agony of disappointment by breaking the cycle of Hype->Excitement->Pre-order->Beta->Play at launch->Quit->Look for next game->Hype...

I never buy a product that I have to give a few months to get better.

 

Exactly,

The difference with Aion is, compared to for example WoW, Eq2 or LOTRO. Is the latter games are more PVE focussed games and if people buy gold in those games, it's usually always for one of the expensive mounts, etc.

Aion is a highly competitive PVP game. Gear has a big impact in PVP. You can litterly buy almost everything with gold (Kinah in Aion).

People up till entire Legions who bot themselves and buy massive amounts of kinah, so buy themselves to the top and get a very unfair advantage into the game.

And when you got too many of those idiots on your server, you (a legit player) are pretty much screwed.

As those idiots are fine, sit comfortably at the top, rule the charts, own the fortresses, gain more and more advantage of players with ever increasing wealth, AP and ranking... and will still be there months later when you come join the game and stomp you in PVP.

Cheers

Now this is the fairest thing you've said so far today.  This *is* a real problem and one I'm interested in seeing how it is addressed because if it isn't then my stay will be a short lived one as well.  As you very well stated, it's not just a simple surface bot problem but one that has the potential to ruin the very foundations of the game. 

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by Brahm

Originally posted by kamenwati

When are you game-hoppers going to figure out that MMOs need a few months to get broken in? Spare yourself the agony of disappointment by breaking the cycle of Hype->Excitement->Pre-order->Beta->Play at launch->Quit->Look for next game->Hype...

I never buy a product that I have to give a few months to get better.

 

Exactly,

The difference with Aion is, compared to for example WoW, Eq2 or LOTRO. Is the latter games are more PVE focussed games and if people buy gold in those games, it's usually always for one of the expensive mounts, etc.

Aion is a highly competitive PVP game. Gear has a big impact in PVP. You can litterly buy almost everything with gold (Kinah in Aion). Nothing is BoP, but BOE.

People up till entire Legions who bot themselves and buy massive amounts of kinah, so buy themselves to the top and get a very unfair advantage into the game.

And when you got too many of those idiots on your server, you (a legit player) are pretty much screwed.

As those idiots are fine, sit comfortably at the top, rule the charts, own the fortresses, gain more and more advantage of players with ever increasing wealth, AP and ranking... and will still be there months later when you come join the game and stomp you in PVP.

Cheers

cheers

Originally posted by jacobuj

Originally posted by mmaize

Originally posted by arenasb

For those who are comparing to how WoW was to Aion now I'm sorry, wow was never ever this bad. I played that game since released for 4 and half years. Yes it did have problems but nowhere near the extent that Aion is now. Frankly this problem has made me dread logging into the game and is a big part for me canceling my sub (other problems too but I can deal with those). I'll still keep the game installed and check back in a month or so to see if they have cleaned it up but until then I am not paying $15 a month for no gm support.

 

HAHAHAHAHA your kidding right.  WoW was not only this bad...it was FAR FAR Worse.  You would wait in queue for hours and then if you happened to get in...you'd be lucky to be able to move, and don't even get me started on how it was during World PvP.  I'm not sure when you played WoW but it obviously wasn't at launch.

 

I played wow at launch and the only thing that I remember that was any worse then this was the loot lag. Sometimes it took forever to loot an item, but they fixed that very quickly. Hopefully NCsoft can be as prompt in fixing their problems. However much much worse is an exaggeration.

You must be one of the lucky few.  Just about everyone I know playing through beta and into launch remembers the horrid lag, the queue times, the crashes, the bugs, etc.  It was pretty bad.  Don't get me wrong, I loved WoW when it was in it's prime and they did a tremendous job working all of those issues out to become an extremely polished game.  But it had way more server related issues and queue times then Aion ever had.

Originally posted by mmaize

Originally posted by jacobuj

 

I played wow at launch and the only thing that I remember that was any worse then this was the loot lag. Sometimes it took forever to loot an item, but they fixed that very quickly. Hopefully NCsoft can be as prompt in fixing their problems. However much much worse is an exaggeration.

You must be one of the lucky few.  Just about everyone I know playing through beta and into launch remembers the horrid lag, the queue times, the crashes, the bugs, etc.  It was pretty bad.  Don't get me wrong, I loved WoW when it was in it's prime and they did a tremendous job working all of those issues out to become an extremely polished game.  But it had way more server related issues and queue times then Aion ever had.

I agree with this, I was just specifically stating the bot and gold spam infestation.

wow had many other problems at launch that aion did not.

Originally posted by mmaize

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by Brahm

Originally posted by kamenwati

When are you game-hoppers going to figure out that MMOs need a few months to get broken in? Spare yourself the agony of disappointment by breaking the cycle of Hype->Excitement->Pre-order->Beta->Play at launch->Quit->Look for next game->Hype...

I never buy a product that I have to give a few months to get better.

 

Exactly,

The difference with Aion is, compared to for example WoW, Eq2 or LOTRO. Is the latter games are more PVE focussed games and if people buy gold in those games, it's usually always for one of the expensive mounts, etc.

Aion is a highly competitive PVP game. Gear has a big impact in PVP. You can litterly buy almost everything with gold (Kinah in Aion).

People up till entire Legions who bot themselves and buy massive amounts of kinah, so buy themselves to the top and get a very unfair advantage into the game.

And when you got too many of those idiots on your server, you (a legit player) are pretty much screwed.

As those idiots are fine, sit comfortably at the top, rule the charts, own the fortresses, gain more and more advantage of players with ever increasing wealth, AP and ranking... and will still be there months later when you come join the game and stomp you in PVP.

Cheers

 

Now this is the fairest thing you've said so far today.  This *is* a real problem and one I'm interested in seeing how it is addressed because if it isn't then my stay will be a short lived one as well.  As you very well stated, it's not just a simple surface bot problem but one that has the potential to ruin the very foundations of the game. 

This was and still is the exact problem with Lineage 2!

That's why I am very dissapointed, angry even, that NCSoft has learned NOTHING from the past.

This rampant botting and cheating is just an exact rehash of how it went with Lineage 2.

Originally posted by mmaize

Originally posted by arenasb

For those who are comparing to how WoW was to Aion now I'm sorry, wow was never ever this bad. I played that game since released for 4 and half years. Yes it did have problems but nowhere near the extent that Aion is now. Frankly this problem has made me dread logging into the game and is a big part for me canceling my sub (other problems too but I can deal with those). I'll still keep the game installed and check back in a month or so to see if they have cleaned it up but until then I am not paying $15 a month for no gm support.

 

HAHAHAHAHA your kidding right.  WoW was not only this bad...it was FAR FAR Worse.  You would wait in queue for hours and then if you happened to get in...you'd be lucky to be able to move, and don't even get me started on how it was during World PvP.  I'm not sure when you played WoW but it obviously wasn't at launch.

There is a slightly glaring difference in the releases though.  This game has been released for quite some time before releasing here.  It seems they should have had a handle on most problems, where as WoW...just launched. 

Maybe it's sort of like the war on drugs.  If there wasn't a demand then we wouldn't have the problem.  We're to blame.

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Lets forget the issues people have with constant crashing during Fortress Sieges. As there are still plenty of people who don't experience it. I guess.

Lets forget the issues about the gold sell spam. That is. As long as your blocklist isn't full. You can ingore it. Somewhat.

 

The fact is. From now on, no new player with some form of sanity is ever going to sub for this game. Ever.

Right now, the moment a new player logs into the game for the first time....

....it will not only be overwelmed with a raging chat window moving faster then the average Formule 1 car. Because of all the spam.

But he/she will have to put up with farming bots all over the starter areas. They are everywhere and in very large numbers.

It's a joke!  NCSoft has lost complete control over their game. The spam and botting is so excessive. It's really disgusting.

I have never seen this amount of spam and botting before. Even Lineage 2 wasn't that bad at launch as is now the case with AION.

 

I guess. This is what you get when you don't bother writing any security nor any checks in your game client and make the bussiness choice to rely 100% on a crap program called Game Guard.... and then at launch make the decision to remove this crap program from the game client as well. Leaving it completely open and defenseless.

I guess NCSoft has just set a brandnew record in how fast you can run a game totally into the ground after launch. (just talking about NA/EU launch here).

Cheers

 

All you need to do is read my thread,    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/255437/Gold-spammers-are-NCSOFT.html

I will not be re subbing to Aion mainly because of the Botters and Gold Sellers. At first I thought it would be fixed in a couple of days but now I see this game going down the same path as Lineage 2. I played Lineage 2 for 4 years hearing promise afther promise of doing something about the bots and it never happend. I am not going to go through it again with Aion. Its not that good of a game to me anyway.

Originally posted by junzo316

Originally posted by mmaize

Originally posted by arenasb

For those who are comparing to how WoW was to Aion now I'm sorry, wow was never ever this bad. I played that game since released for 4 and half years. Yes it did have problems but nowhere near the extent that Aion is now. Frankly this problem has made me dread logging into the game and is a big part for me canceling my sub (other problems too but I can deal with those). I'll still keep the game installed and check back in a month or so to see if they have cleaned it up but until then I am not paying $15 a month for no gm support.

 

HAHAHAHAHA your kidding right.  WoW was not only this bad...it was FAR FAR Worse.  You would wait in queue for hours and then if you happened to get in...you'd be lucky to be able to move, and don't even get me started on how it was during World PvP.  I'm not sure when you played WoW but it obviously wasn't at launch.

There is a slightly glaring difference in the releases though.  This game has been released for quite some time before releasing here.  It seems they should have had a handle on most problems, where as WoW...just launched. 

Not a fair statement.  Just because it has been released in Korea for a year or so doesn't mean that they can accurately forecast the popularity of the game here in the US (In fact they were very worried about this since our expectations are glaringly different), not to mention there are things that are unique to a US/EU launch.  Now if your talking about the bot problem, I would agree with you there but I'm also not certain how much of a problem it is in Korea and how they deal with it.

Originally posted by jessian

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Lets forget the issues people have with constant crashing during Fortress Sieges. As there are still plenty of people who don't experience it. I guess.

Lets forget the issues about the gold sell spam. That is. As long as your blocklist isn't full. You can ingore it. Somewhat.

 

The fact is. From now on, no new player with some form of sanity is ever going to sub for this game. Ever.

Right now, the moment a new player logs into the game for the first time....

....it will not only be overwelmed with a raging chat window moving faster then the average Formule 1 car. Because of all the spam.

But he/she will have to put up with farming bots all over the starter areas. They are everywhere and in very large numbers.

It's a joke!  NCSoft has lost complete control over their game. The spam and botting is so excessive. It's really disgusting.

I have never seen this amount of spam and botting before. Even Lineage 2 wasn't that bad at launch as is now the case with AION.

 

I guess. This is what you get when you don't bother writing any security nor any checks in your game client and make the bussiness choice to rely 100% on a crap program called Game Guard.... and then at launch make the decision to remove this crap program from the game client as well. Leaving it completely open and defenseless.

I guess NCSoft has just set a brandnew record in how fast you can run a game totally into the ground after launch. (just talking about NA/EU launch here).

Cheers

 

 

 

All you need to do is read my thread,    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/255437/Gold-spammers-are-NCSOFT.html

 

Ha there it is:

Aion players = gold users & victims of spam / non-users
Gold vendors = the pushers / cartels
NCsoft = corrupt government threatening vendors but profiting from gold selling by keeping it on the street. Punishes small time vendors that aren't under their control to make it look like they're doing their job.

There's nothing new under the sun.

"For those who are comparing to how WoW was to Aion now I'm sorry, wow was never ever this bad. I played that game since released for 4 and half years. Yes it did have problems but nowhere near the extent that Aion is now."

What, are you guys saying this out of your mind? I loved WoW and it was a great game, but that is still to this day one of the worst launches I have been involved in.

1) loot lag

2) dissappearing zeppelins/boats = character death

3) mob's retreating to insta heal

4) server lag in general

5) Bots everywhere making it hard to get some mob kill quests completed

That doesn't account for the times the servers crashed. The server I played on was down, completely, for almost three entire days at one point. There were other days it was down for half a day or close to an entire day but the three day one sticks out the most to me because it was just crazy. Granted they gave away a ton of free time but give me a break. The WoW launch was horrifyingly bad. It's a testament to how good the game was and how the company excelled at customer service compared to others in handing customer's complaints/issues that it survived that mess.

Hell, main reason I stuck around is because the game was so different compared to what I was playing beforehand, EQ, and the fact that it kind of was hard to complain too much when they kept giving out free play time due to all the issues they were having.
 

This game is having it's issues there's no denying that but trying to say it's worse than WoW was a t launch is just ridiculous.  Hell, trying to say a lot of game's launches were worse than WoW's was would be silly.

EDIT: Just saw another post where the poster I quoted clarified that he was referring to bots/spammers so far as that goes I will agree with arenasb.

As for those that took what he said as being in general terms, you're out of your minds hehe  No other way to put it.  I loved WoW and even though I don't play it anymore I still say it's a great game but trying to say that launch was anything short of an absolute mess is just verging on sheer lunacy.

WoW's launch is unique.  WoW didn't (largely) suffer from killer bugs or unstable hardware, the game was just so massively popular that Blizzard underestimated how many servers were required.  Because of this, queues were massive and servers often choked.  I remember needing to frequently re-log just to fix the out of sync issues (mobs just stood around, but I could still chat to guildies, etc).  

That's different than being overrun with gold spammers and botters.  

Originally posted by TaoMcDohl

WoW's launch is unique.  WoW didn't (largely) suffer from killer bugs or unstable hardware, the game was just so massively popular that Blizzard underestimated how many servers were required.  Because of this, queues were massive and servers often choked.  I remember needing to frequently re-log just to fix the out of sync issues (mobs just stood around, but I could still chat to guildies, etc).  

Actually it did, although considering how much the servers were down it pretty much took precedentce over the other issues the game had.

Although to be fair as frustrating as it was in reference to the queues, server crashes, and server downtime to an extent I did sympathize because I'm not sure anyone expected that game to do as well or be as popular as it became.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

Originally posted by TaoMcDohl

WoW's launch is unique.  WoW didn't (largely) suffer from killer bugs or unstable hardware, the game was just so massively popular that Blizzard underestimated how many servers were required.  Because of this, queues were massive and servers often choked.  I remember needing to frequently re-log just to fix the out of sync issues (mobs just stood around, but I could still chat to guildies, etc).  

 

Actually it did, although considering how much the servers were down it pretty much took precedentce over the other issues the game had.

I can't think of a killer bug.  Sure, boats dropped people in the middle of the water, prompting Captain Placeholder, and there were some big time balance issues (Warriors were a joke at launch), but point out a bug that was so massive that it caused people to stop subscribing.  Compare that to SWG, where the lack of mounts and other major promised components (some that never saw the light of day) caused a lot of people to take a break.  I took a break from WoW for one month, early on, to let Blizzard get the servers settled.  

I have a theory:

They're letting it get out of control to grow support for re-instituting Gameguard.

Originally posted by TaoMcDohl

 

I can't think of a killer bug.  Sure, boats dropped people in the middle of the water, prompting Captain Placeholder, and there were some big time balance issues (Warriors were a joke at launch), but point out a bug that was so massive that it caused people to stop subscribing.  Compare that to SWG, where the lack of mounts and other major promised components (some that never saw the light of day) caused a lot of people to take a break.  I took a break from WoW for one month, early on, to let Blizzard get the servers settled.  

A lot of folks threatened to quit over things just like mobs constantly returning to full health and the travelling vehicles killing off players so often. Not to mention the falling through the earth bug that hit me quite a few times.  It was especially entertaining if you played a mage considering that seemed to increase the probability of that happening to you by quite a bit if you used Blink.   I'm not saying they were right but what to you or I may be meaningless to them it was a huge issue.

It's not like good 'ole Placeholder was put into the game overnight.  It took quite some time for them to put him into play and finally resolve the problem as a whole.  Plus, ironically enough, there used to be a lot of crying among some how there was too much grinding at the higher levels and there weren't enough quests available.

Plus, a lot were pissed the PvP system and battlegrounds weren't set up at launch.  If I had a nickel for every time on those forums someone started ranting about Blizzard because that wasn't available instantly since apparently it mentioned it on the box somehwere I could have been a millionaire.

...and the bugs in some of the dungeons.  Like I said it wasn't anything game breaking to me but those forums were entertaining as hell to read back in those days.

Originally posted by Wickedjelly

"For those who are comparing to how WoW was to Aion now I'm sorry, wow was never ever this bad. I played that game since released for 4 and half years. Yes it did have problems but nowhere near the extent that Aion is now."

 

What, are you guys saying this out of your mind? I loved WoW and it was a great game, but that is still to this day one of the worst launches I have been involved in.

1) loot lag

2) dissappearing zeppelins/boats = character death

3) mob's retreating to insta heal

4) server lag in general

5) Bots everywhere making it hard to get some mob kill quests completed

That doesn't account for the times the servers crashed. The server I played on was down, completely, for almost three entire days at one point. There were other days it was down for half a day or close to an entire day but the three day one sticks out the most to me because it was just crazy. Granted they gave away a ton of free time but give me a break. The WoW launch was horrifyingly bad. It's a testament to how good the game was and how the company excelled at customer service compared to others in handing customer's complaints/issues that it survived that mess.

Hell, main reason I stuck around is because the game was so different compared to what I was playing beforehand, EQ, and the fact that it kind of was hard to complain too much when they kept giving out free play time due to all the issues they were having.
 

This game is having it's issues there's no denying that but trying to say it's worse than WoW was a t launch is just ridiculous.  Hell, trying to say a lot of game's launches were worse than WoW's was would be silly.

EDIT: Just saw another post where the poster I quoted clarified that he was referring to bots/spammers so far as that goes I will agree with arenasb.

As for those that took what he said as being in general terms, you're out of your minds hehe  No other way to put it.  I loved WoW and even though I don't play it anymore I still say it's a great game but trying to say that launch was anything short of an absolute mess is just verging on sheer lunacy.

Ugh, I thought it was implied I was refering to gold spammers and bots. All of your other points I agree with and have said in a followup post. To reiterate, I have never seen a game as bad as this in regards to the spamming and bots.

To OP:

You didn't say if you're on an US server or EU server, but I take it you're on US server.

I play on EU server Spatalos and I have to say I've met only one character that was acting like a bot. I whispered and there was a person playing it so that was a false alarm afterall. Maybe macroed, but still a person sitting at the comp and "playing".

So, my personal experience tells me there's no alarming bot-problem on the server I play and if there was I'm sure NCSoft can deal with it later on.

And no, this game isn't done for, not to me atleast.

Originally posted by arenasb
 

Ugh, I thought it was implied I was refering to gold spammers and bots. All of your other points I agree with and have said in a followup post. To reiterate, I have never seen a game as bad as this in regards to the spamming and bots.

In a different post you did, which is why I added my edit saying that my post doesn't apply to you after all.  Of course, there were some that agreed with your idea in general which is how I took your first post on the matter.

So my bad, sometimes I misconstrue things because I have to jump back and forth so much while I'm at work.  :(

 op !its too early yet  !we ll know when gamer have to gettheir time card or pre-paid credit card the biggest issue aion face is 

after free 30 days are gone !

you will have 400k player in need of a way to pay and nobody in their right mind would use their personal credit card 

so when the 30 day is over thats when the true trest start for ncwest,because as of yet its freaking hard to get 

time card from ncsoft period!and where i live pre-paid credit card were sold out witch never happened before aion 

was released.

I myself might no be renewing my sub after the free month. I am halfway to 23 and have lost all desire to lvl my characte. I'm not saying that its the gameplay itself that is casuing this though. Hell maybe I am just burned out on MMOs and need to take a break for a few months because all of a sudden the whole process seems like a chore.....

Originally posted by m0lly

 troll or whatever , i have to say i canceled my account already and not gona go back for those reasons and many others.

hope we can someday see nice new mmo.

cheers,

same here. Account is cancelled already.. the game is going down the pipe fast.. might even set a new record on the speed in wich it reaches the pipes end..

The mmorpg market is just sad.  Guess we'll have to play wow for another 5 years.

Originally posted by Lazarus71

I myself might no be renewing my sub after the free month. I am halfway to 23 and have lost all desire to lvl my characte. I'm not saying that its the gameplay itself that is casuing this though. Hell maybe I am just burned out on MMOs and need to take a break for a few months because all of a sudden the whole process seems like a chore.....

I had this feeling also with Aion,I even said to a guild mate "maybe I am just burned out with the whole mmo market"..now this is not a plug just my honest opinion...I decided to give Fallen Earth a go as I was really bored and the rest of my gaming mate's were still plugging away at Aion...was I burned out with mmo's?..the hell I was,Fallen earth brought me back big time,I am maybe burned out with the whole magic fantasy,spellcasting theme but not mmo's.

I honestly think for people like myself that have played mmo's for many years that it could just be that Aion was 1 fantasy spellcasting mmo to far.