Agreed OP im just glad i dident fall for this hype like i did with WAR and AOC.

I played the chinees beta / retail for about 3 weeks

lvl1 to 10 was pretty   fun

10-20 was "ok" 

lvl20-25 the grind slaps you in the face and from 25+ aion shows its true colors...i stopped playing @ lvl28 and canceld my preorder.

You guys have to come at this game from a different angle.  It isnt about reaching the level cap first.  You will fail, you will be bored, and you will have wasted money.  Instead just enjoy leveling and crafting and pvp'ing and running instances.  Guess what at level 50 you will have all aspects of the game covered at that point.

From 41-42 it took approx 49 million exp to level.  That is a very high amount.  Traditional grinding will not work for most people unless they enjoy the repetitive tasking.  You guys have to switch it up and not get burned out!

Originally posted by UNH0LYEV1L

You guys have to come at this game from a different angle.  It isnt about reaching the level cap first.  You will fail, you will be bored, and you will have wasted money.  Instead just enjoy leveling and crafting and pvp'ing and running instances.  Guess what at level 50 you will have all aspects of the game covered at that point.

From 41-42 it took approx 49 million exp to level.  That is a very high amount.  Traditional grinding will not work for most people unless they enjoy the repetitive tasking.  You guys have to switch it up and not get burned out!

I don't think advice on how to "find the fun" in a game is going to change anyone's mind. I know I have read it on these forums before, but you should not have to "find the fun" in any game. That is what the dev's get paid to do for you :D

Long thread.. Sheesh... I didn't read it all, as I got in on this late.. so it's likely that I'm about to say something that's already been said....

Here goes.... It seems like this comes up with EVERY new MMORPG, and it seems like every time anyone says it, they run back to another MMORPG that they dropped for the current one... Which leads me to question, if the common complaint is been there, done that, or this isn't anything new... Then why go back to the other game? You are going from been there done that, to.. well, been there done that.... That makes about as much sense to me as griping about it in the first place.

Originally posted by Emeraq

Long thread.. Sheesh... I didn't read it all, as I got in on this late.. so it's likely that I'm about to say something that's already been said....

Here goes.... It seems like this comes up with EVERY new MMORPG, and it seems like every time anyone says it, they run back to another MMORPG that they dropped for the current one... Which leads me to question, if the common complaint is been there, done that, or this isn't anything new... Then why go back to the other game? You are going from been there done that, to.. well, been there done that.... That makes about as much sense to me as griping about it in the first place.

Good point, but it's probably just familiarity, time invested and friends.

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Originally posted by UNH0LYEV1L
You guys have to come at this game from a different angle.  It isnt about reaching the level cap first.  You will fail, you will be bored, and you will have wasted money.  Instead just enjoy leveling and crafting and pvp'ing and running instances.  Guess what at level 50 you will have all aspects of the game covered at that point.
From 41-42 it took approx 49 million exp to level.  That is a very high amount.  Traditional grinding will not work for most people unless they enjoy the repetitive tasking.  You guys have to switch it up and not get burned out!

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Every person has his own way of having fun, a opinion of another won't help here at all. If people don't like the game from level 20+, then so be it. Saying it gets better in the end run is somewhat ridiculous.

Some people also don't like S&M but do you tell them they should ignore the pain because in the end it will be fun?

Originally posted by -aLpHa-

 

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Originally posted by UNH0LYEV1L
You guys have to come at this game from a different angle.  It isnt about reaching the level cap first.  You will fail, you will be bored, and you will have wasted money.  Instead just enjoy leveling and crafting and pvp'ing and running instances.  Guess what at level 50 you will have all aspects of the game covered at that point.
From 41-42 it took approx 49 million exp to level.  That is a very high amount.  Traditional grinding will not work for most people unless they enjoy the repetitive tasking.  You guys have to switch it up and not get burned out!

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Every person has his own way of having fun, a opinion of another won't help here at all. If people don't like the game from level 20+, then so be it. Saying it gets better in the end run is somewhat ridiculous.

Some people also don't like S&M but do you tell them they should ignore the pain because in the end it will be fun?
 

What the heck are you talking about S&M for you sick man...I was refering to how people need to treat this game as a traditional MMO where things take a while to accomplish.   You need to just have fun along the way or you ultimately will quit.  If people can't do that they will end up quiting because this is not a game you can just go hard all the time and expect to make it to the level cap. Most will have lost their sanity.  There is no need to jump off the deep end and compare my suggested approach to something as aberrant as S&M.  People in pretty much every game play at a pace and scope that incorporates a wide variety of in game activities and keeps gameplay fresh.  For those that have the stamina to power through to the level cap and are having fun then it is their decision and a lot of them are having fun.  But for those who are struggling in the mid 30's and are asking for advice, I pointed out that for the majority of gamers out there tedious grinding of mobs and executing repetitive quests will not yield the desired results.  I also did not say anywhere in my post that it gets better at high levels.  In fact in my experience, like I pointed out, it doesn't (49 million exp to level).  What I conveyed in my post was people need to find ways to have fun playing now or it is only going to get worse.  The 40's are brutal and unforgiving and PvP can be just as vicious with all the ganking that occurs.

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Originally posted by UNH0LYEV1L

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Originally posted by -aLpHa-

 

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Originally posted by UNH0LYEV1L
You guys have to come at this game from a different angle.  It isnt about reaching the level cap first.  You will fail, you will be bored, and you will have wasted money.  Instead just enjoy leveling and crafting and pvp'ing and running instances.  Guess what at level 50 you will have all aspects of the game covered at that point.
From 41-42 it took approx 49 million exp to level.  That is a very high amount.  Traditional grinding will not work for most people unless they enjoy the repetitive tasking.  You guys have to switch it up and not get burned out!

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Every person has his own way of having fun, a opinion of another won't help here at all. If people don't like the game from level 20+, then so be it. Saying it gets better in the end run is somewhat ridiculous.
Some people also don't like S&M but do you tell them they should ignore the pain because in the end it will be fun?
 

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What the heck are you talking about S&M for you sick man...I was refering to how people need to treat this MMO as a traditional MMO where things take a while and you need to just have fun along the way or you ultimately will quit.  If people can't do that they will end up quiting because this is not a game you can just go hard all the time and expect to make it to the level cap and still have your sanity.  There is no need to jump of the deep end and compare my suggested approach to something as aberrant as S&M.  For those that have the stamina to power through to the level cap and are having fun then it is their decision and a lot of them are having fun.  But for those who are struggling in the mid 30's and are asking for advice I pointed out that for the majority of gamers out there tedious grinding of mobs and executing repetitive quests will not yield the desired results.

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Wow dude, are you that prudent too call people who like S&M sick? What the hell do you care what someone is doing in his privacy? Its not affecting you. People like you make me sick, labeling people.

I only wanted to tell you that if something ain't fun why would you endure the pain to go on just because later on there is "fun". We talk about games here, they should be fun from the beginning, because tada it's entertainment.

The fun is just over that next hill. Just remember to walk up slowly and be quiet or it might hear us and run away.

Hunting for fun. The latest trend in MMO's.

Originally posted by lampo

I'm not one to rant...much...but I feel the need to.  Didn't even know about this game until I had an OB key, played that, thought I found my fix and pre-ordered.  Made a templar at launch...leveled him to 26...soon found out that the only "respectable"..."tanks" are templars...gay....I don't want to tank all the time, and besides that I'm bored to tears in the abyss and anything past lvl 25.  PvP is anything but entertaining in this game.  Make a chanter...love the class...good solo....lvl 26....in the abyss....bored to tears.  Nice graphics, lame instances, the gameplay and content is weak.  I thought this super grindfest was an answer to my EQ2 woes, dead wrong.  Oh and crafting is pretty mediocre too, the inability to have control over greater output is just not needed.  Spent 500K+ trying to make blue armor only to get not one piece....lame.  Another 50$ 30 day trial...err 37 here....wont need it though. FIN.

whats going with this post?

it seems to be a copy from here; 

http://forum.mmosite.com//topics/245/200910/12/1342,1.html

yet, it's under a different user name, which be fine, but also another gender, which is a little more confusing?
 

Lampo, are you the same poster as Bloodybeauty? I am just curious. You seem to be on a mssion whatever the case.

The MMOXE sig is also interesting.

Uh-oh...looks like we might be getting ready to have a Shills DeathMatch on our hands...

*grabs the popcorn*

My money is on the pro-Aion shill.  He has better grammar, at least. 

Wow !! i am glad i havent bought it exactly due to the reasons you guys list up above. 1st time i kept my fingers of a new released game in years because it was always the same.

inbalance, boredom, bugs etc etc etc..

glad i kept my 50€ 

Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by lampo

I'm not one to rant...much...but I feel the need to.  Didn't even know about this game until I had an OB key, played that, thought I found my fix and pre-ordered.  Made a templar at launch...leveled him to 26...soon found out that the only "respectable"..."tanks" are templars...gay....I don't want to tank all the time, and besides that I'm bored to tears in the abyss and anything past lvl 25.  PvP is anything but entertaining in this game.  Make a chanter...love the class...good solo....lvl 26....in the abyss....bored to tears.  Nice graphics, lame instances, the gameplay and content is weak.  I thought this super grindfest was an answer to my EQ2 woes, dead wrong.  Oh and crafting is pretty mediocre too, the inability to have control over greater output is just not needed.  Spent 500K+ trying to make blue armor only to get not one piece....lame.  Another 50$ 30 day trial...err 37 here....wont need it though. FIN.

 

whats going with this post?

it seems to be a copy from here; 

http://forum.mmosite.com//topics/245/200910/12/1342,1.html

yet, it's under a different user name, which be fine, but also another gender, which is a little more confusing?
 

Lampo, are you the same poster as Bloodybeauty? I am just curious. You seem to be on a mssion whatever the case.

The MMOXE sig is also interesting.

Holy crap dude! That is hilarious! Someone stole my post! I've never heard of such a thing.  Not me, never even been to that site :) mmorpg.com is my only mmo surf.

Aion made me unsub from WoW...and Aion.  Must be MMO burnout for me.  If I was recommending an MMO for a newcomer to the genre, I'd say Aion is an option - really fun character creation, nice graphics, decent classes.  But, (like many have said) if I see one more "kill x number of fuzzies" quest I'm going to shoot myself.  I can still enjoy jumping on an 80 WoW character for some pvp, but I simply can't digest any more grind right now...  Translates to: Aion bored me to freaking death.  Oh, and to the WoW-haters.. as juvenile as some of the trade chat can be, Aion's chat was far far worse - at least on the servers I tried.  As always, getting a good guild and turning off general chat works wonders.  But to suggest Aion players are somehow more sophisticated than WoW players is laughable.  Same people - different game.

Originally posted by lampo

Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by lampo

I'm not one to rant...much...but I feel the need to.  Didn't even know about this game until I had an OB key, played that, thought I found my fix and pre-ordered.  Made a templar at launch...leveled him to 26...soon found out that the only "respectable"..."tanks" are templars...gay....I don't want to tank all the time, and besides that I'm bored to tears in the abyss and anything past lvl 25.  PvP is anything but entertaining in this game.  Make a chanter...love the class...good solo....lvl 26....in the abyss....bored to tears.  Nice graphics, lame instances, the gameplay and content is weak.  I thought this super grindfest was an answer to my EQ2 woes, dead wrong.  Oh and crafting is pretty mediocre too, the inability to have control over greater output is just not needed.  Spent 500K+ trying to make blue armor only to get not one piece....lame.  Another 50$ 30 day trial...err 37 here....wont need it though. FIN.

 

whats going with this post?

it seems to be a copy from here; 

http://forum.mmosite.com//topics/245/200910/12/1342,1.html

yet, it's under a different user name, which be fine, but also another gender, which is a little more confusing?
 

Lampo, are you the same poster as Bloodybeauty? I am just curious. You seem to be on a mssion whatever the case.

The MMOXE sig is also interesting.

 

Holy crap dude! That is hilarious! Someone stole my post! I've never heard of such a thing.  Not me, never even been to that site :) mmorpg.com is my only mmo surf.

Yeah, that MMOXE is some gold selling site.  One of their cronies must have copied my post and if ya noticed, they put their website in there.  I googled it, just a gold seller.
 

Originally posted by Thillian

You can only blame yourself. You guys jump on every hype-wagon going on. AoC, War, now Aion. You prefer shallow games where more money was spent on marketing and trailers than on the actual gameplay. You whine here that there's no MMO around, yet you never bother to try Fallen Earth, EVE or VG.

Tried them all, not impressed.  Without going into detail and adding to the negativity that most here like to spew, I'll just say that so far Aion is the game that has kept my attention the most.  So far.  I think most here cannot be satisfied period or they just can't deal with the current genres or MMO model that has been run through the ground.  So new take or not they just can't deal with it anymore and are awaiting something completely different.  Sure I can respect that, but I can't respect the constant negativity that everyone contributes in some lame attempt to try and sabotage potential subscribers...which is a lame attempt at best. 

What your not doing is changing the minds of developers by flaming every MMO that comes out.  What you are doing is creating unrealistic expectations that cause games to come out over hyped and under developed. 

If you want change then people need to be giving constructive criticism on what is currently out there and provide insight and creative ideas on what the next gen of MMOs should contain.

Originally posted by Portland

Wow !! i am glad i havent bought it exactly due to the reasons you guys list up above. 1st time i kept my fingers of a new released game in years because it was always the same.

inbalance, boredom, bugs etc etc etc..

 

glad i kept my 50€ 

 

 

Same here.  I had high hopes for Aion, had planned to buy it, and even started to get caught up in the hype, but after the Warhammer debacle I promised myself I'd wait at least a couple of months after a new MMO is released before playing it.  That way they have time to fix major bugs/balance problems and let's the server populations sort themselves out.  Plus it let's me find out how the community feels about it.

Glad I waited this time.

Originally posted by lampo

Originally posted by lampo

Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by lampo

I'm not one to rant...much...but I feel the need to.  Didn't even know about this game until I had an OB key, played that, thought I found my fix and pre-ordered.  Made a templar at launch...leveled him to 26...soon found out that the only "respectable"..."tanks" are templars...gay....I don't want to tank all the time, and besides that I'm bored to tears in the abyss and anything past lvl 25.  PvP is anything but entertaining in this game.  Make a chanter...love the class...good solo....lvl 26....in the abyss....bored to tears.  Nice graphics, lame instances, the gameplay and content is weak.  I thought this super grindfest was an answer to my EQ2 woes, dead wrong.  Oh and crafting is pretty mediocre too, the inability to have control over greater output is just not needed.  Spent 500K+ trying to make blue armor only to get not one piece....lame.  Another 50$ 30 day trial...err 37 here....wont need it though. FIN.

 

whats going with this post?

it seems to be a copy from here; 

http://forum.mmosite.com//topics/245/200910/12/1342,1.html

yet, it's under a different user name, which be fine, but also another gender, which is a little more confusing?
 

Lampo, are you the same poster as Bloodybeauty? I am just curious. You seem to be on a mssion whatever the case.

The MMOXE sig is also interesting.

 

Holy crap dude! That is hilarious! Someone stole my post! I've never heard of such a thing.  Not me, never even been to that site :) mmorpg.com is my only mmo surf.

Yeah, that MMOXE is some gold selling site.  One of their cronies must have copied my post and if ya noticed, they put their website in there.  I googled it, just a gold seller.
 

So you say.

imagine flames we were getting when we said that aion is terribly boring last winter..

Originally posted by Sixpax

Originally posted by Portland

Wow !! i am glad i havent bought it exactly due to the reasons you guys list up above. 1st time i kept my fingers of a new released game in years because it was always the same.

inbalance, boredom, bugs etc etc etc..

 

glad i kept my 50€ 

 

 

 

Same here.  I had high hopes for Aion, had planned to buy it, and even started to get caught up in the hype, but after the Warhammer debacle I promised myself I'd wait at least a couple of months after a new MMO is released before playing it.  That way they have time to fix major bugs/balance problems and let's the server populations sort themselves out.  Plus it let's me find out how the community feels about it.

Glad I waited this time.

There are still a lot of people playing this game.  Check it out for yourself.  Most of the people that don't like it have left so their is little complaining. The gameplay has VERY VERY few bugs and balence is good since classes are mirroed across races.  You might be suprised to see how much you like Aion now that a lot of "Weekend" mmo players have passed on.
 

Originally posted by UNH0LYEV1L

Originally posted by Sixpax

Originally posted by Portland

Wow !! i am glad i havent bought it exactly due to the reasons you guys list up above. 1st time i kept my fingers of a new released game in years because it was always the same.

inbalance, boredom, bugs etc etc etc..

 

glad i kept my 50€ 

 

 

 

Same here.  I had high hopes for Aion, had planned to buy it, and even started to get caught up in the hype, but after the Warhammer debacle I promised myself I'd wait at least a couple of months after a new MMO is released before playing it.  That way they have time to fix major bugs/balance problems and let's the server populations sort themselves out.  Plus it let's me find out how the community feels about it.

Glad I waited this time.

There are still a lot of people playing this game.  Check it out for yourself.  Most of the people that don't like it have left so their is little complaining. The gameplay has VERY VERY few bugs and balence is good since classes are mirroed across races.  You might be suprised to see how much you like Aion now that a lot of "Weekend" mmo players have passed on.
 

"Weekend mmo players"...I have no idea what this means or indeed what it does to support the game you enjoy,also how would the game be more enjoyable with less players,unless you mean the queue troubles to even play the game.

Sorry but this sort of comment helps little to encourage new players,then again what do I know as I wont be subbing and thus just a "weekend" player.

Now at level 26 I fully agree.  I just cannot take the grind anymore.  I LOVE the way the game looks and sounds.  But the horrible quest XP payout, and the constant grinding to level up is simply not well thought out to have a nice progression through the game.  I'm very let down at this point, and I simply cannot continue playing at this point.  This is the second year in a row i've been let down by a MMO game (Last year was Warhammer).

I wasn't so much depressed with the grind aspect (which I knew would be there) as I have been with the obscene amount of bots and spammers.

I know it's a brand-new game, but it's out of control if you don't /block them.

I have already cancelled my sub due to this, but if they show they're serious about getting rid of the bots before the 37 days are up, I'll resub.

....

've played every MMO and with each new one,  I find I'm quitting them faster than the one before it. I'm really not getting my hopes up for SWTOR and I'm a HUGE Bioware fanboy. I mean, I'm buying collector's editions of both Dragon Age and Mass Effect 2 on both PC and 360.

On topic though, I also quit playing Aion at level 27 as a Spiritmaster. I never played this class in beta and it was pretty much my last choice to play as in the retail release. I really was enjoying my time with the game until I had to grind 3 hours for a spirit drop. Yeah, I've had my share of this experience (EQ1). I don't know what happened but I just got bored of the game. MMO gamers are a fickle bunch indeed.

Honestly, someone needs to kick this genre in the balls and step outside the box. I know companies see dollar signs in their eyes and they take the easy approach but Fallen Earth is the only MMO I'm subscribed to simply because it's not more of the same.