Originally posted by googajoob7

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by googajoob7

Yeah i too remember there being bots in WoW . It got quite bad at one point they would take over entire areas a bit like a virtual maffia . Every problem i m seeing in Aion i saw in WoW in its opening months . Including the ques . The only thing i would say Blizzard did better was it recognised the problem of ques and did give out free time which Ncsoft arnt doing . I do agree the OP is entitled to his own opinions but the title of this thread really does make him a troll . As for Xfire its widly known by anyone with any sence its a vastly inaccurate tool for measuring a games popularity . If you have any doubts about Aion and are reading this thread i would say check out the official online reviews all of which say its the best mmo release since WoW and most of which give it reviews of over 90 percent . I would suggest leaving buying it for a couple of months when the new servers have been added . The opening month or two of an mmo are never without problems .

 

I never said the game itself is bad.

That is why it's so sad.  I love the game for what it can be. The gameplay is fun. The grind isn't that bad as some people are saying. The crafting is pretty okay.

It's that the botting and spam is so totally out of control. And seeing NCSoft's history with their Lineage games. I have no hope anymore that it will be any different with Aion.

This game is so Kinah dependend. It's so full of money sinks. It's botting and cheating paradise.

Just wait and see. The only thing NCWest will do, when loads of people are not going to resub end this month, is going into even more panic mode (then they already are.... see the mass banning topics) and just put GameGuard back in. Think they solved it. And that's it.

And then all that is left. Are the people who cheat and bot themselves. The spammers and farm bots. And a handful of people with a very very thick skin and able to be put up with it.

Cheers

 

Look the game is in its first month . Do you remember what Warcraft was like back then ? It certainly was nt as smooth as it is now ( mind you i m not sure smooth is what i would apply to the lag fest of wintersgrasp lol ) . What amazes me is people buy these games at release and expect them to be perfect when games that have been out for years still arnt . We still get rubberbanding in lord of the rings online . The biggest problem i have with Aion is the ques . The bots problem will be sorted out  but as in every other mmo it takes time . The actual game itself is what every reviewer has said it is , namely the best game to be released since WoW .  I m reserving judgement on how many people will leave . I know a lot that arnt leaving but taking a month or two off untill the ques are sorted out .

Go fire up the other NCSoft games like Lineage 1 and 2. Then come back here.

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by googajoob7

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by googajoob7

Yeah i too remember there being bots in WoW . It got quite bad at one point they would take over entire areas a bit like a virtual maffia . Every problem i m seeing in Aion i saw in WoW in its opening months . Including the ques . The only thing i would say Blizzard did better was it recognised the problem of ques and did give out free time which Ncsoft arnt doing . I do agree the OP is entitled to his own opinions but the title of this thread really does make him a troll . As for Xfire its widly known by anyone with any sence its a vastly inaccurate tool for measuring a games popularity . If you have any doubts about Aion and are reading this thread i would say check out the official online reviews all of which say its the best mmo release since WoW and most of which give it reviews of over 90 percent . I would suggest leaving buying it for a couple of months when the new servers have been added . The opening month or two of an mmo are never without problems .

 

I never said the game itself is bad.

That is why it's so sad.  I love the game for what it can be. The gameplay is fun. The grind isn't that bad as some people are saying. The crafting is pretty okay.

It's that the botting and spam is so totally out of control. And seeing NCSoft's history with their Lineage games. I have no hope anymore that it will be any different with Aion.

This game is so Kinah dependend. It's so full of money sinks. It's botting and cheating paradise.

Just wait and see. The only thing NCWest will do, when loads of people are not going to resub end this month, is going into even more panic mode (then they already are.... see the mass banning topics) and just put GameGuard back in. Think they solved it. And that's it.

And then all that is left. Are the people who cheat and bot themselves. The spammers and farm bots. And a handful of people with a very very thick skin and able to be put up with it.

Cheers

 

Look the game is in its first month . Do you remember what Warcraft was like back then ? It certainly was nt as smooth as it is now ( mind you i m not sure smooth is what i would apply to the lag fest of wintersgrasp lol ) . What amazes me is people buy these games at release and expect them to be perfect when games that have been out for years still arnt . We still get rubberbanding in lord of the rings online . The biggest problem i have with Aion is the ques . The bots problem will be sorted out  but as in every other mmo it takes time . The actual game itself is what every reviewer has said it is , namely the best game to be released since WoW .  I m reserving judgement on how many people will leave . I know a lot that arnt leaving but taking a month or two off untill the ques are sorted out .

 

Go fire up the other NCSoft games like Lineage 1 and 2. Then come back here.

Silly arguement . Why did nt you add City of Heroes to that list ? because you know as well as i do that that games pretty smooth and also run by Ncsoft . As for lineage 1 and 2 prove to us you ve played them let us know your characters name (s) and servers . I bet you did the same thing you ve done in Aion tried them a couple of times and decided it is nt for you . Thats fair enough but your title to this thread shows how much of a troll you are . If Ncsoft dont sort out the bot problem in a few months time i ll be here complaining with you ( as i have been complaining about the ques and suggesting there should be some sort of compensation ) .

The fact your doing it now so soon after a game has been released under a thread entitled " this game is done for " makes you look like a troll (which you may not be) coming into these forums and having a hissey fit because everything was nt perfect from day one . It never is in these games . Everyone with any sence knows that .
 

Saw this coming from a mile away... Didn't any of  you see the funny bot video from about 6 months ago or hear about the rampant bot problems from the eastern release? Did you honestly think those eastern botters woulnd't be interested in western money or something?

I am not a troll, and I dislike the game a great deal. You can both not like something and share your views on a message board and not be trolling. I don't want a reaction out of you, I am not fishing for a negative response. I am here because I want to talk about my experiences... share them with other users and maybe save some people on the fence money I wish I could have saved myself. These are free and open forums and we all have that right.

I do not like the game. It is a WoW clone in almost every sense of the word, where the differences lie would be the heavy Korean influence. From the poor sound effects to the button click to loot, and the setting up your character as a merchant out in the world.

The grind. Okay some say it is not so bad, in my opinion it is that bad. I do not want to have to kill a hundred of the same mob to level, I do not want to have to grind anything a game should be fun from the start and should be without you having to put in effort. Going from level 1 to 10 in my opinion takes too long and if you do not grind in between you are not going to be able to kill the mobs in your next level without significant downtime. This is especially true for rogue types. I think it is laughable I can only kill one crab before i have to bandage and or sit and wait to regen health. MMOs as a whole have worked to eliminate down time I don't even mind it taking as long as it does to go from 1-10 I do mind that so much of that time is spent doing nothing but bandaging or resting or running back and forth to places I have already been... multiple times.

Spam? No one can defend the spam levels in this game so please stop trying. I logged in and I could not view ANYTHING going on in the chat window I had gold sellers and power levelers all over the chat  trying to sell their services or wares while encouraging me to visit their websites. Blocking them takes time out of my play time adding to more down time. It is great when they come in every channel including tells... and then you get the ads in in game mail as well. Talk about immersion destroying. Not only that I constantly missed tells from people I was trying to talk to in  the sea of spam. Block it all but know it would all be back the next day... why bother?

Bots... yeah. Again no one here can deny they exist and that they get in the way, beyond that it is just plain frustrating.

In conclusion NOT a game worth the $70 dollars I paid for the CE, and certainly not one I would EVER recommend to anyone I know. To those reading this post.. .I have been playing MMOs since UO in 1997 I am a fan of the genre I love the games... this is not a game I love in fact I didn't even like it... a little.

I would ultimately make your own decision but think long and hard before you spend your hard earned money on a game with so many issues. Hope that helps at least one or two people like me who might not have the extra cash to blow for a game you won't play but 2-3 weeks tops especially when it is painful and not fun to do so.

 I like Aion, but got to admit, I am worried. 

Can anyone name another MMO with worse botting/spam problems? Only one that comes to my mind would be Lineage 2 but that also is NCSOFT .

The lack of communication. Again, can anyone name a MMO with less communication? All we have is that Twitter guy that keeps saying 'I will relay that to them'. They have zero forum post. They claim that a bug stops them from posting? Come on, a bug they cant fix in 3 week? ...and they could just create normal account if they had to.

Finally for me, the absolute worst part is, why are bots that I can spot instantly so invisible to NCSOFT? I have reported bots two weeks ago that are still playing. 

To sum up...is Aion the worst game ever with regards to bots/spam...and does NCSOFT have the worst reputation ever on these issues. 

 In a medium filled with Agendas, how do you recognize a good MMO ?

You check different forums after Warhammer's launch, and everyone is complaining about Lag, Bugs, crap performance and flawed class balance.

You check different forums after Age of Conan's launch, and everyone is complaining about Bugs, really crap performance and no end game.

You go and check different forums after Aion's launch and you find people complainin about....  General Chat spam. Bots, even though there is a report button and best of all:

Offensive names

Never trust the opinion of anyone but you. In a world where Digital information is circulated freely, there is no more need to depend on other people when you can actually download Hours worth of videoes to see how a game works and a Trial when available.

This place needs heavy moderation.

*And btw i just released a test Sound effects pack for Aion... Enjoy

Unfortunately, I have canceled as well.

Last night was the nail in the coffin for me. I had a friend making me armor and he was linking me the patterns and what they would make. I couldn't see what he was linking me from all the gold spam coming through the whispers part of chat. I have all general channels off and only keep "whispers" and "legion" channels on. He tried to send the links in legion  chat and once again blocks (paragraphs) of gold spam came up. I ignore (block) all tells I get but they keep coming with different names, over and over again.

Oh and a another close friend was out in the Abyss doing a quest when he told me he came across 6 bots in proximity of the mobs he was hunting. To verify they were bots he would attack a mob and take it down to over half health near them and then they would attack it and kill it and bend down and try an loot it. Of course they couldn't loot it and would pause and proceed to another mob.

Sad.

When are you game-hoppers going to figure out that MMOs need a few months to get broken in? Spare yourself the agony of disappointment by breaking the cycle of Hype->Excitement->Pre-order->Beta->Play at launch->Quit->Look for next game->Hype...

tinfoil hat theory :

NCSoft Dev: "hmm they don't want game guard, they say they won't play if it's on the game...and we can't get it to work anyway"

NCSoft Corporate : "Hmmm, ok, remove game guard, and flood the game with bots and obvious exploiters, transfer some staff to the new Aionbot Goldseller program.  It's pure genious, we bot and exploit, sell the gold for huge profits to pay off legal fees, and we prove how much game guard is needed to prevent the botting and exploiting.  I love me and my ideas!!!! You do too or your fired."

NCSoft Dev: "Yes Sir, I love your idea.  It'll be implemented by the end of the day!!"

Originally posted by Brahm

Unfortunately, I have canceled as well.

Last night was the nail in the coffin for me. I had a friend making me armor and he was linking me the patterns and what they would make. I couldn't see what he was linking me from all the gold spam coming through the whispers part of chat. I have all general channels off and only keep "whispers" and "legion" channels on. He tried to send the links in legion  chat and one again blocks (paragraphs) of gold spam came up.I ignore all tells I get but they keep coming with different names, over and over again.

Oh and a another close friend was out in the Abyss doing a quest when he told me he came across 6 bots in proximity of the mobs he was hunting. To verify they were bots he would attack a mob and take it down to over half health near them and then they would attack it and kill it and bend down and try an loot it. Of course they couldn't loot it and would pause and proceed to another mob.

Sad.

to get rid of the tells , make yourself invisible, means no one can find you on the search list. as for the botters you have a report button in your active skill list. target the players and click the skill it will report them. alot of people don't know they have the skill to just click on to report, to try and report the other way is rediculously hard idk why its like that its dumb.i tried reporting a player that was spammng a phisher site, couple of days later i got an email back from in game telling me to go to thier website to report went to the site linked and it was telling me to report in game it made no sense

Originally posted by kamenwati

When are you game-hoppers going to figure out that MMOs need a few months to get broken in? Spare yourself the agony of disappointment by breaking the cycle of Hype->Excitement->Pre-order->Beta->Play at launch->Quit->Look for next game->Hype...

I never buy a product that I have to give a few months to get better.

Originally posted by -aLpHa-

 

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Originally posted by m0lly
 make money soulbound, when you pick it up you can only buy.

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Easily exploitable.

Sometimes it helps when you say "it is easily exploitable because..."

Because then you are making a statment. And if you back up your statement with examples you can then convince people the truth to your argument.

I don't see how picking up money and making it so that it is bind on equip is easily exploitable. What I do see is that if they left a player run economy then someone could put a mana stone on sale for 2 million kinah and then the seller would just buy the mana stone. It's not an exploit but it is a way around binding money.

IN any case NC really does need to have people monitoring chat. In a recent video on this site discussing WoW at some games conference they mention that they have people monitoring chat.

If NC wants the game to be #2 in the market and be a top contender for mmo games then they need to start thinking in that league.

The problem with NC is that (and I've said it before and I'll say it again) they are rather clueless and in my opinion an arrogant company. They want to do thing the way they want to do them, regardless fo the results.

Let's be honest, there is game spam and even gold mail in other games. I used to receive it in EQ 2. However, not to the extent that you see it here. It's an embarrassment and they need to do more than send some gm's for an hour on a certain day to remove these spammers.

edit: also I'm not sure "the game is done for" as according to http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/a180653/aion-remains-top-of-pc-pile.html was #1 the week of october 5th and #12 on amazon.

But we will see what type of retention they have soon enough.

Originally posted by abyss610

Originally posted by Brahm

Unfortunately, I have canceled as well.

Last night was the nail in the coffin for me. I had a friend making me armor and he was linking me the patterns and what they would make. I couldn't see what he was linking me from all the gold spam coming through the whispers part of chat. I have all general channels off and only keep "whispers" and "legion" channels on. He tried to send the links in legion  chat and one again blocks (paragraphs) of gold spam came up.I ignore all tells I get but they keep coming with different names, over and over again.

Oh and a another close friend was out in the Abyss doing a quest when he told me he came across 6 bots in proximity of the mobs he was hunting. To verify they were bots he would attack a mob and take it down to over half health near them and then they would attack it and kill it and bend down and try an loot it. Of course they couldn't loot it and would pause and proceed to another mob.

Sad.

 

to get rid of the tells , make yourself invisible, means no one can find you on the search list. as for the botters you have a report button in your active skill list. target the players and click the skill it will report them. alot of people don't know they have the skill to just click on to report, to try and report the other way is rediculously hard idk why its like that its dumb.i tried reporting a player that was spammng a phisher site, couple of days later i got an email back from in game telling me to go to thier website to report went to the site linked and it was telling me to report in game it made no sense

I appreciate your information but it comes too late. I just feel like I have to jump through hoops to avoid all this garbage. Exactly why should I jump through hoops? Oh, and  its not jump gold spam. NCSoft keeps spamming the game chat about phishing sites way too often. I know what they trying to warn people of but its almost as much text and as often as "buy kinah now----cheap!"

Originally posted by Guillermo197

The fact is. From now on, no new player with some form of sanity is ever going to sub for this game. Ever.

 

You lose.  I just subscribed two days ago and I'm still somewhat "sane".  The spammy chat is the only mildly annoying thing in your list for me.  I didn't notice this huge number for farming bots in starting areas.  The place was much less busy than the beta was or even the wow launch week.  None of these things are game breakers anyway so what's your deal?

So here I am reading some very good points the OP makes about improvement activity needed in the game but also concluding that ,whilst things like spammers are indeed annoying, that I can live with it compared to other games I have been subjected to.

I then read the post title again and think I must dream some deliberatly witty and insightful prose as a retort. After much deliberation I settle on...

bollocks!

Originally posted by Brahm

Originally posted by kamenwati

When are you game-hoppers going to figure out that MMOs need a few months to get broken in? Spare yourself the agony of disappointment by breaking the cycle of Hype->Excitement->Pre-order->Beta->Play at launch->Quit->Look for next game->Hype...

I never buy a product that I have to give a few months to get better.

Well then you're never going to buy an MMO, because until software companies can develop their own AI to predict human behavior and gain the ability to accurately simulate the behavior of tens/hundreds of thousands of simultaneous users, there is always going to be a period of adjustment. Think of it like a fine wine or a new sports car.

This thread is a tribute to the game.  Couldn't he find anything more than 2 weak points to complain about?  They sure don't do justice to his damning title.   Spammy, "too fast" chat makes a game "done for"?

Not trying to be a troll, but from what I've read and seen about this game it basically looks like Lineage 2 with a new "story" (if you can even really say Lineage 2 had a story) and wings. It seems to have the same problems Lineage 2 did with botting and gold spam, and from what I can remember about Lineage, NC Soft claimed to be working constantly on the problem but they never made any progress. Even to this day I'm almost certain you will find gold spammers and botters all over the place. I'm surprised no one has mentioned that only a few days ago (I believe) NC Soft banned 35% of their players because they were "botters". I've heard numerous stories from people who got banned because they were botting and they had no idea what it even was. Personally, I've never played Aion, so you can go ahead and disregard my comments if you want, but I did play Lineage 2 and I know a lot of people who played for longer then I and this seems like its heading down the same path.

Originally posted by googajoob7

 

Silly arguement . Why did nt you add City of Heroes to that list ? because you know as well as i do that that games pretty smooth and also run by Ncsoft . As for lineage 1 and 2 prove to us you ve played them let us know your characters name (s) and servers . I bet you did the same thing you ve done in Aion tried them a couple of times and decided it is nt for you . Thats fair enough but your title to this thread shows how much of a troll you are . If Ncsoft dont sort out the bot problem in a few months time i ll be here complaining with you ( as i have been complaining about the ques and suggesting there should be some sort of compensation ) .

The fact your doing it now so soon after a game has been released under a thread entitled " this game is done for " makes you look like a troll (which you may not be) coming into these forums and having a hissey fit because everything was nt perfect from day one . It never is in these games . Everyone with any sence knows that .
 

I am playing Aion since Open Beta. Thank you very much.

Like Guild Wars, City of Heroes and City of Villians is developed by western development houses. Namely Guild Wars by ArenaNet and CoX originally by Cryptic.

The only games NCSoft has developed before themselves are the Lineage games (bot infested joke games), Tabula Rasa (R.I.P) and now Aion (wich is now also infested with bots and cheaters).

If you actually read my posts, then you would have understand that I actually enjoy the game and telling that its a good game.

But so was Lineage 2. It was a horrible grind, but the gameworld was more vast, more open then Aion. So in that respect I liked Lineage 2 even more when it comes to exploration.

The problem is, that NCSoft just doesn't learn and doesn't want to deal with the botters and cheaters.

It was a problem with the Lineage games. And it's now again a problem with Aion.

Cheers

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Lets forget the issues people have with constant crashing during Fortress Sieges. As there are still plenty of people who don't experience it. I guess.

Lets forget the issues about the gold sell spam. That is. As long as your blocklist isn't full. You can ingore it. Somewhat.

 

The fact is. From now on, no new player with some form of sanity is ever going to sub for this game. Ever.

Right now, the moment a new player logs into the game for the first time....

....it will not only be overwelmed with a raging chat window moving faster then the average Formule 1 car. Because of all the spam.

But he/she will have to put up with farming bots all over the starter areas. They are everywhere and in very large numbers.

It's a joke!  NCSoft has lost complete control over their game. The spam and botting is so excessive. It's really disgusting.

I have never seen this amount of spam and botting before. Even Lineage 2 wasn't that bad at launch as is now the case with AION.

 

I guess. This is what you get when you don't bother writing any security nor any checks in your game client and make the bussiness choice to rely 100% on a crap program called Game Guard.... and then at launch make the decision to remove this crap program from the game client as well. Leaving it completely open and defenseless.

I guess NCSoft has just set a brandnew record in how fast you can run a game totally into the ground after launch. (just talking about NA/EU launch here).

Cheers

 

LOL omg another doomsayer!  Everyone abandon ship now!

How about realize the fact that this game, while not new in Korea, is new to the US and as a result comes with many of the same issues that any new game has because of server constraints, underestimated population stresses, etc.  The spam thing is a real problem and my guess is that it's not one they are going to let go on for very long but we'll see.  But the point is no game with this kind of popularity, especially not WoW (which had a crap ton of problems upon launch) launched without similar issues.  Time will tell as to whether they address them but it's hardly doom for the game.  This games complete potential is only just beginning.