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Originally posted by sepher

Says the guy that's freaking out. I invite you to reason with the rationale you yourself just posted. It's not like you exactly disagree with those "ideals", do you? If not, stop being an arrogant fuck and chill out or something.

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You took everything at face value and went on a "right-wing" tangent that has absolutely no purpose.

The Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to a President who leads a country involved in two wars. What do you think that means?

It's called "putting on the pressure", not "recognizing a good man".

Originally posted by aeroplane22

 

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Originally posted by sepher

 

Says the guy that's freaking out. I invite you to reason with the rationale you yourself just posted. It's not like you exactly disagree with those "ideals", do you? If not, stop being an arrogant fuck and chill out or something.

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You took everything at face value and went on a "right-wing" tangent that has absolutely no purpose.

The Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to a President who leads a country involved in two wars. What do you think that means?

It's called "putting on the pressure", not "recognizing a good man".

He wasn't given the nobel prize for being involved in two wars. You're the one that keeps bringing them up, yet when it comes time to reason with the actual award, you're forced to go to the actual logic of Obama's message and the world's support, including the majority of those at home. I was merely pointing out that despite the bullshit flung around here constantly, which has put a hefty set of rose-colored glasses on every few faces of the very same brand that saw McCain winning the elections last season, Obama still is supported at home and afar even to this extent.

Yes Obama inherited two wars, but he didn't start two wars. He's drawing down from one with a strict timeline, and the other he's changed the objective of from "war on terror", a tactic that anyone could be labeled as using, to an actual substantive mission with a possible end: dismantling al Qaeda and propping up Afganistan's government in a way as least antagonistic to India and Pakistan alike. Thus the quadrupled drone strikes in Pakistan you keep bringing up, thus the troop escalations in Afghanistan with the clear mission of bolstering Afghanistans trained security levels.

As far as "putting on the pressure", who cares if its about "ideals" Obama himself decided? Count the committee as one more that expects him to continue keeping his word. So far, so good.

Originally posted by BaronJuJu

I lost respect for the award when the head of a terrorist organization, Yasser Arafat, won it.

Beat me to it. In the second they gave a Nobel Peace prize  to a man with blood on his hands, it lost all credibility to me.

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Originally posted by sepher

 
He wasn't given the nobel prize for being involved in two wars. You're the one that keeps bringing them up, yet when it comes time to reason with the actual award, you're forced to go to the actual logic of Obama's message and the world's support, including the majority of those at home. I was merely pointing out that despite the bullshit flung around here constantly, which has put a hefty set of rose-colored glasses on every few faces of the very same brand that saw McCain winning the elections last season, Obama still is supported at home and afar even to this extent.
Yes Obama inherited two wars, but he didn't start two wars. He's drawing down from one with a strict timeline, and the other he's changed the objective of from "war on terror", a tactic that anyone could be labeled as using, to an actual substantive mission with a possible end: dismantling al Qaeda and propping up Afganistan's government in a way as least antagonistic to India and Pakistan alike. Thus the quadrupled drone strikes in Pakistan you keep bringing up, thus the troop escalations in Afghanistan with the clear mission of bolstering Afghanistans trained security levels.
As far as "putting on the pressure", who cares if its about "ideals" Obama himself decided? Count the committee as one more that expects him to continue keeping his word. So far, so good.

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Regardless, it doesn't matter if he "inherited" the wars or not. They are still happening and people are still dying. If he was really about peace and Not participating in a warring empire, then he would end it. He can literally end the wars tomorrow, but he's not, even with a less than 50% approval rating the wars rage on.

You can't just brush everything off on the previous presidency. "Inheriting" a presidency isn't about autographing papers and going with the flow. You sign those papers as President, and you hold yourself completely responsible. Doesn't matter if "the last president did it".

Stirring shit up with Iran on top of Afghanistan and Iraq doesn't exactly promote peace in the Middle East. If he's not part of the military industrial Empire that we've all grown to love, then he needs to prove it. Iran is literally following all the rules, declaring all sites and research within the proper timelines. Israel does not, and they refuse proper inspections. Logic dictates we should be threatening Israel for breaking the rules, because violating the treaty and International Atomic Energy Association inspections is something Israel is doing, not Iran. Most people don't know this.

I wouldn't expect a "man of peace" to be doing these things.. would you?

I agree with the sentiments of the "ideals" in the intentions of the award, but I realize what the award to Obama really is.. A slap in the face. It's do or die at this point.

I take this as good news.  I mean if Obama can win the Nobel Peace Prize for doing absolutely nothing, then I think my chances in the future are pretty good.  Not only do I want a nuclear free world, but I also want every hungry child fed and every oppressed human being liberated.  How could the Nobel Committee possibly turn me down?

I just hope the President lives up to his philosophy of "sharing the wealth" and slide some of the $1.4 million award money my way.

Originally posted by Zindaihas

I take this as good news.  I mean if Obama can win the Nobel Peace Prize for doing absolutely nothing, then I think my chances in the future are pretty good.  Not only do I want a nuclear free world, but I also want every hungry child fed and every oppressed human being liberated.  How could the Nobel Committee possibly turn me down?

I just hope the President lives up to his philosophy of "sharing the wealth" and slide some of the $1.4 million award money my way.

All you've done is maintain an even split ratio of saying sorta sane shit vs. batshit insane shit in the dumpster of an MMO site. So I wouldn't hold my breath if you're going on those accomplishments alone. Convince your peers your credible before daring to convince the world.

Originally posted by aeroplane22

 

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Originally posted by sepher

 

 
He wasn't given the nobel prize for being involved in two wars. You're the one that keeps bringing them up, yet when it comes time to reason with the actual award, you're forced to go to the actual logic of Obama's message and the world's support, including the majority of those at home. I was merely pointing out that despite the bullshit flung around here constantly, which has put a hefty set of rose-colored glasses on every few faces of the very same brand that saw McCain winning the elections last season, Obama still is supported at home and afar even to this extent.
Yes Obama inherited two wars, but he didn't start two wars. He's drawing down from one with a strict timeline, and the other he's changed the objective of from "war on terror", a tactic that anyone could be labeled as using, to an actual substantive mission with a possible end: dismantling al Qaeda and propping up Afganistan's government in a way as least antagonistic to India and Pakistan alike. Thus the quadrupled drone strikes in Pakistan you keep bringing up, thus the troop escalations in Afghanistan with the clear mission of bolstering Afghanistans trained security levels.
As far as "putting on the pressure", who cares if its about "ideals" Obama himself decided? Count the committee as one more that expects him to continue keeping his word. So far, so good.

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Regardless, it doesn't matter if he "inherited" the wars or not. They are still happening and people are still dying. If he was really about peace and Not participating in a warring empire, then he would end it. He can literally end the wars tomorrow, but he's not, even with a less than 50% approval rating the wars rage on.

You can't just brush everything off on the previous presidency. "Inheriting" a presidency isn't about autographing papers and going with the flow. You sign those papers as President, and you hold yourself completely responsible. Doesn't matter if "the last president did it".

Stirring shit up with Iran on top of Afghanistan and Iraq doesn't exactly promote peace in the Middle East. If he's not part of the military industrial Empire that we've all grown to love, then he needs to prove it. Iran is literally following all the rules, declaring all sites and research within the proper timelines. Israel does not, and they refuse proper inspections. Logic dictates we should be threatening Israel for breaking the rules, because violating the treaty and International Atomic Energy Association inspections is something Israel is doing, not Iran. Most people don't know this.

I wouldn't expect a "man of peace" to be doing these things.. would you?

I agree with the sentiments of the "ideals" in the intentions of the award, but I realize what the award to Obama really is.. A slap in the face. It's do or die at this point.

Exactly, also note he "inherited" nothing. He applied for a job. He wanted to run two wars, he wanted to take charge of a failed economy, he RAN for it, and he won.

Everything that has happened since the day he was elected is HIS, not any inheritance.

He fails as president and keeps whining about the job HE chose to apply for. He is completely to blame for everything now.

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

Exactly, also note he "inherited" nothing. He applied for a job. He wanted to run two wars, he wanted to take charge of a failed economy, he RAN for it, and he won.

Everything that has happened since the day he was elected is HIS, not any inheritance.

He fails as president and keeps whining about the job HE chose to apply for. He is completely to blame for everything now.

Oh i wouldn't say he's to blame so much as the figure head of responsibilty.  Same as any president really.

Hehe,  poor guy,  watched his announcement to the current award and i swear the hair on his head is turning more grey by the minute.

Originally posted by sepher

Originally posted by Zindaihas

I take this as good news.  I mean if Obama can win the Nobel Peace Prize for doing absolutely nothing, then I think my chances in the future are pretty good.  Not only do I want a nuclear free world, but I also want every hungry child fed and every oppressed human being liberated.  How could the Nobel Committee possibly turn me down?

I just hope the President lives up to his philosophy of "sharing the wealth" and slide some of the $1.4 million award money my way.

All you've done is maintain an even split ratio of saying sorta sane shit vs. batshit insane shit in the dumpster of an MMO site. So I wouldn't hold my breath if you're going on those accomplishments alone. Convince your peers your credible before daring to convince the world.

In other words, I've accomplished only slightly less than Obama has in this area.

Originally posted by aeroplane22

 

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Originally posted by sepher

 

 
He wasn't given the nobel prize for being involved in two wars. You're the one that keeps bringing them up, yet when it comes time to reason with the actual award, you're forced to go to the actual logic of Obama's message and the world's support, including the majority of those at home. I was merely pointing out that despite the bullshit flung around here constantly, which has put a hefty set of rose-colored glasses on every few faces of the very same brand that saw McCain winning the elections last season, Obama still is supported at home and afar even to this extent.
Yes Obama inherited two wars, but he didn't start two wars. He's drawing down from one with a strict timeline, and the other he's changed the objective of from "war on terror", a tactic that anyone could be labeled as using, to an actual substantive mission with a possible end: dismantling al Qaeda and propping up Afganistan's government in a way as least antagonistic to India and Pakistan alike. Thus the quadrupled drone strikes in Pakistan you keep bringing up, thus the troop escalations in Afghanistan with the clear mission of bolstering Afghanistans trained security levels.
As far as "putting on the pressure", who cares if its about "ideals" Obama himself decided? Count the committee as one more that expects him to continue keeping his word. So far, so good.

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Regardless, it doesn't matter if he "inherited" the wars or not. They are still happening and people are still dying. If he was really about peace and Not participating in a warring empire, then he would end it. He can literally end the wars tomorrow, but he's not, even with a less than 50% approval rating the wars rage on.

You can't just brush everything off on the previous presidency. "Inheriting" a presidency isn't about autographing papers and going with the flow. You sign those papers as President, and you hold yourself completely responsible. Doesn't matter if "the last president did it".

Stirring shit up with Iran on top of Afghanistan and Iraq doesn't exactly promote peace in the Middle East. If he's not part of the military industrial Empire that we've all grown to love, then he needs to prove it. Iran is literally following all the rules, declaring all sites and research within the proper timelines. Israel does not, and they refuse proper inspections. Logic dictates we should be threatening Israel for breaking the rules, because violating the treaty and International Atomic Energy Association inspections is something Israel is doing, not Iran. Most people don't know this.

I wouldn't expect a "man of peace" to be doing these things.. would you?

I agree with the sentiments of the "ideals" in the intentions of the award, but I realize what the award to Obama really is.. A slap in the face. It's do or die at this point.

Would leaving Iraq today result in a more stable Iraq, or less? Would leaving Afghanistan today result in a more stable Afghanistan, or less? What would leaving both today, do for the Middle East altogether? If the answer is that the MIddle East would destabilize, then you have your answer. If you believe everything would be rosy, then you're delusional but at least have a reason to pose such questions.

And no, merely inheriting a war doesn't mean no blood is on Obama's hands for every troop lost and innocent civilian killed, but there's merits in him working to achieve a more stable Middle East; one without al Qaeda. Some had to be president and inherit it, and at home and abroad, we view it best that it was Obama instead of a person with a timeline between 100 years and forever of being in Iraq.

You'd have to be specific about what you mean when it comes to "stirring shit up with Iran". And boy, didn't we just expose Iran during the G20 summit for NOT disclosing the existence of a new nuclear facility in line with proper protocol given by inspectors? How could you say Iran is complying? And didn't Obama catch gripe back early in the summer before health care reform talks picked up because our assistant Secretary of State spoke at the UN saying Israel should join the NPT?

Build a case against Obama on factual things. The far right at the moment can't decide whether or not to label him an enemy of Israel, or unjust recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize for actually -not- daring to hold Israel accountable for anything, which is untrue. Or whether Obama is an Iran apologist, or an unjustu recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize for blatantly seeking war with Iran, which is untrue.

That's why I love when things like this. It shows the loons on the right will embrace whatever kind of hypocrisy if it means Obama can be attacked. Apologist to the world who's weakening our military now turned blood thirsty war maniac not worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize. Hilarious.

Originally posted by Pyrich

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

Exactly, also note he "inherited" nothing. He applied for a job. He wanted to run two wars, he wanted to take charge of a failed economy, he RAN for it, and he won.

Everything that has happened since the day he was elected is HIS, not any inheritance.

He fails as president and keeps whining about the job HE chose to apply for. He is completely to blame for everything now.

 

Oh i wouldn't say he's to blame so much as the figure head of responsibilty.  Same as any president really.

Hehe,  poor guy,  watched his announcement to the current award and i swear the hair on his head is turning more grey by the minute.

That's a fair point, but he still applied for the job and thus he owns it. My point was mostly in answer to the ridiculous, childish assertion that he inherited anything. That is simply evasion of the facts and responsibility.

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by sepher

Originally posted by Zindaihas

I take this as good news.  I mean if Obama can win the Nobel Peace Prize for doing absolutely nothing, then I think my chances in the future are pretty good.  Not only do I want a nuclear free world, but I also want every hungry child fed and every oppressed human being liberated.  How could the Nobel Committee possibly turn me down?

I just hope the President lives up to his philosophy of "sharing the wealth" and slide some of the $1.4 million award money my way.

All you've done is maintain an even split ratio of saying sorta sane shit vs. batshit insane shit in the dumpster of an MMO site. So I wouldn't hold my breath if you're going on those accomplishments alone. Convince your peers your credible before daring to convince the world.

 

In other words, I've accomplished only slightly less than Obama has in this area.

No, considering all you are politically dwells in this cesspit whereas Gallup has recorded the world's vast support of Obama on its tangible stage.

Originally posted by sepher

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by sepher

Originally posted by Zindaihas

I take this as good news.  I mean if Obama can win the Nobel Peace Prize for doing absolutely nothing, then I think my chances in the future are pretty good.  Not only do I want a nuclear free world, but I also want every hungry child fed and every oppressed human being liberated.  How could the Nobel Committee possibly turn me down?

I just hope the President lives up to his philosophy of "sharing the wealth" and slide some of the $1.4 million award money my way.

All you've done is maintain an even split ratio of saying sorta sane shit vs. batshit insane shit in the dumpster of an MMO site. So I wouldn't hold my breath if you're going on those accomplishments alone. Convince your peers your credible before daring to convince the world.

In other words, I've accomplished only slightly less than Obama has in this area.

No, considering all you are politically dwells in this cesspit whereas Gallup has recorded the world's vast support of Obama on its tangible stage.

Oh, so now we're awarding Nobel Prizes based on polls rather than actual accomplishments?  Well I've conducted a little poll of my own, the Zindaihas research poll, and 100% of respondents say that I deserve the Peace Prize based on my desire for an end to hunger and world wide freedom in addition to nuclear disarmament.  Granted the polling sample was not that large, but I've conducted a 2nd survey and 100% of those respondents believe it's a legitimate poll.

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by sepher

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by sepher

Originally posted by Zindaihas

I take this as good news.  I mean if Obama can win the Nobel Peace Prize for doing absolutely nothing, then I think my chances in the future are pretty good.  Not only do I want a nuclear free world, but I also want every hungry child fed and every oppressed human being liberated.  How could the Nobel Committee possibly turn me down?

I just hope the President lives up to his philosophy of "sharing the wealth" and slide some of the $1.4 million award money my way.

All you've done is maintain an even split ratio of saying sorta sane shit vs. batshit insane shit in the dumpster of an MMO site. So I wouldn't hold my breath if you're going on those accomplishments alone. Convince your peers your credible before daring to convince the world.

In other words, I've accomplished only slightly less than Obama has in this area.

No, considering all you are politically dwells in this cesspit whereas Gallup has recorded the world's vast support of Obama on its tangible stage.

 

Oh, so now we're awarding Nobel Prizes based on polls rather than actual accomplishments?  Well I've conducted a little poll of my own, the Zindaihas research poll, and 100% of respondents say that I deserve the Peace Prize based on my desire for an end to hunger and world wide freedom in addition to nuclear disarmament.  Granted the polling sample was not that large, but I've conducted a 2nd survey and 100% of those respondents believe it's a legitimate poll.

Sure, go ahead. You've deluded yourself into disbelieving any actual diplomatic accomplishments from Obama; from recent successes with Iran and Russia all the way back to the 'apology tour' as you call it. Feel free to build upon that and hold a Zindaihas research poll and declare yourself anything other than misery-laden, out of the loop person that you seem to be.

Originally posted by Precusor

For those who want to hear Rush Limbaughs reactions to Obamas Nobel prize win.

wabcradio.com/article.asp

 

 

I heard some of the intro thought it was pretty funny.

I think it is a slap in the face to the others who were up for it. A women in Afganistan for is fighting for womens rights, a dissdent in China, and another PM. Obama hasn't done anything but talk these people are working and have things to show for it.

Then again I do find irony in him receiving the Nobel Peace Prize like two hours before preemptively bombing the Moon.

Originally posted by sepher

Then again I do find irony in him receiving the Nobel Peace Prize like two hours before preemptively bombing the Moon.

LOL!
 

It would be funny for him to receive it, walk down to the nearest homeless shelter, and give it to one of the volunteers helping there.

Originally posted by sepher

Sure, go ahead. You've deluded yourself into disbelieving any actual diplomatic accomplishments from Obama; from recent successes with Iran and Russia all the way back to the 'apology tour' as you call it. Feel free to build upon that and hold a Zindaihas research poll and declare yourself anything other than misery-laden, out of the loop person that you seem to be.

If you think Obamas capitulation to Russia and allowing Iran more time to refine its nukes deserves a nobel prize.....  i really lol'ed

The new missile plan from US President Barack Obama's administration raises questions and Moscow is waiting for Washington to explain its intentions, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Friday.

www.breitbart.com/article.php

Obams is weak and the despots knows this.

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by sepher

Sure, go ahead. You've deluded yourself into disbelieving any actual diplomatic accomplishments from Obama; from recent successes with Iran and Russia all the way back to the 'apology tour' as you call it. Feel free to build upon that and hold a Zindaihas research poll and declare yourself anything other than misery-laden, out of the loop person that you seem to be.

 

If you think Obamas capitulation to Russia and allowing Iran more time to refine its nukes deserves a nobel prize.....  i really lol'ed

 

The new missile plan from US President Barack Obama's administration raises questions and Moscow is waiting for Washington to explain its intentions, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Friday.

www.breitbart.com/article.php

Obams is weak and the despots knows this.

Since I don't agree with your notion of 'capitulation to Russia' and 'allowing Iran more time to refine its nukes', lol all you will. It's quite evident by now that all you do on these boards is masturbate at the thought of the US being anything other than great, and while some from our country on these very boards are all to willing to lend you a hand with that every now and then, I'm more concerned with celebrating the achievements of our great nation and not buying into your absolutely inept assertions.

Carry on.

Sigh..I guess it is obviously a Popularity Award now for whatever or Whoever is the "flavor of the month" at the time ,case in point , Al gore at the Peak of the Global warming issue.

I played Civilization IV from beginning to end without getting involved in a single war. I also beat the game by winning the space race to colonize a new planet. Woot!!! Nobel Peace Prize here I come bitches!!!

Meet the man who really did deserve the Nobel prize.

Greg Mortenson, nominated for the prize by some members of Congress, who the bookies gave 20-to-1 odds of winning. Son of a missionary, a former army Medic and mountaineer, he has made it his mission to build schools for girls in places where opium dealers and tribal warlords kill people for trying. His Central Asia Institute has built more than 130 schools in Afghanistan and Pakistan - a mission which has, along the way, inspired millions of people to view the protection and education of girls as a key to peace and prosperity and progress
news.yahoo.com/s/time/20091009/us_time/08599192939500

He was awarded it, he didn't petition for it. Is it justified? I don't think so. Can we get back to more important things like his muslimness and birth certificate?

Originally posted by seabass2003

I played Civilization IV from beginning to end without getting involved in a single war. I also beat the game by winning the space race to colonize a new planet. Woot!!! Nobel Peace Prize here I come bitches!!!

Have you ever played the Fall from Heaven II mod?  It's awesome!

Originally posted by Briansho

He was awarded it, he didn't petition for it. Is it justified? I don't think so. Can we get back to more important things like his muslimness and birth certificate?

Don't forget socialized healthcare.  Even Big Bird doesn't like it.