Originally posted by aoineko

I highly recommend the Samsung SYNCMASTER 2233RZ. It's 120hz. I bought it along with an NVidia kit for stereoscopic filmmaking. It's true 120Hz, not frame doubling, which is great for stereoscopic 3d or anything else where you want/need over 100fps.

The thing is also a great performance hit, you need a top end computer to get reasonable frame rates.

[quote]Originally posted by heremypet
[b]I'm at work now and am staring at old piece of junk amptron 17" CRT running at 60 Hz
When I move this window left and right, I can clearly read the text, while like before on my LCDs I can't.  I have noticed the same type of blur on just about every LCD I've dealt with.  It's not a huge issue, but I do notice it esp in games.[/quote]
i noticed that too when i first switched over to an lcd. i never realized how much i read while scrolling the screen. it was really aggravating at first, but eventually i changed the scroll wheel to move up/down one page at a time and now i can read just as fast without reading while scrolling.

the blur is magnified when you move windows with text because of the high contrast between the text and background. there's typically far less contrast in the details in gaming. after a little while i was able to adjust and game on lcd's without any affect to my gameplay, but i was never a super-competitive player.

Heremypet

I have worked with and been a gamer with both LCDs and CRTs.  As you have found out, LCDs are blurry compared to CRTs when dealing with steady across-screen motion.  You have performed the simple test that proves it by steadily dragging a window with text side-to-side.   I have yet to own or have seen one in a store that did not have this blur.  I would buy one immediately if i could find one that performed as well as a CRT.  I know its not just my eyes because this blur is seen by co-workers and also people in stores when I ask them if they see it.  But still, I may be more sensitive to it than most.

I just want to point out if you buy a new LCD for the purpose of having blur-free gaming, try it out in person first and do the text-dragging test.  If you find one, let me know!

I still use a CRT but I am looking to go to an LCD.  newegg has this on sale:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236047

If I were to buy an LCD today, I would consider an LCD with these stats.

Originally posted by Tykero 

I won't blame you if you just drop it, but an apology in the form of "you were right, I'm sorry I bought into popular myth" would be lovely.

Gah, geez, you are the one telling that people are blind if they don't notice a difference beetween 30fps - 100fps.
There's more into it than that and you provided that information yourself. Read it.

I'm not so shure on how an animation made in 29fps will be better when shown in 100fps though.

Originally posted by Defect 

 

lol dude, you live in the stone age. They haven't made an LCD that still ghosts in the last 5+ years.

Even if ghosting is not such a problem there is some other involved with LCD's.

Blurry screen if not being able to run at its native resolution.
Scrolling text is a lot harder to read.

I'm using an old monitor at work because of that reason. Sitting on an network with different monitors it's not feasible to call to support to tell them to change my resolution. This last 2 days of work I have roughly scrolled thorugh 12 000 lines of text.

CRT's are more distinct but sadly my eyes gets more tired from them, that can be due to the light sources and so.

When talking about problems with LCD I doubt people are refering to a mouse tail across the screen that was done in the stone age... But that is not really the issue here is it.

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by Tykero 

I won't blame you if you just drop it, but an apology in the form of "you were right, I'm sorry I bought into popular myth" would be lovely.

 

Gah, geez, you are the one telling that people are blind if they don't notice a difference beetween 30fps - 100fps.
There's more into it than that and you provided that information yourself. Read it.

I'm not so shure on how an animation made in 29fps will be better when shown in 100fps though.

 

Yes, there is more to it than that. But there's a very massive and discernible difference between 30 and 100 fps in most media. I was also employing a literary technique called exaggeration. Perhaps you've heard of it. Excuse me for not clarifying that I meant in cases where the source media was recorded or produced in a manner that would make higher frame rates result in an increase in information, rather than multiplied redundant frames. The topic was gaming, so I assumed it didn't need to be stated.

It's also important to note that I never claimed that showing an animation that was created at 29 fps at 100 fps would improve the quality. A fundamental understanding of how a computer display works makes this issue irrelevant.

In short, quit attempting to make corrections that aren't necessary, thanks.

9.10.8
Cnet's top five monitors (+23", us$250 to 800).

"great performance can be attributed to the LED backlight in the monitor. Most monitors use cold cathode fluorescent lamp-based backlights--several fluorescent tubes stretched horizontally across the screen."

Think they prefer the LCD Dell SP2309W at us$320.

Originally posted by heremypet

I have a bit of a problem, it would seem that my eyes don't like the 60hz refresh rate put out by most LCDs  I have an old CRT but it's small compared to my LCDs.  It's not a huge issue, but noticable enough to be an annoyance.

Last LCD I bought was an Asus 1080p LCD.  I read up on the differences between standard and GTG responce measuring, and went with the 5ms LCD, which I thought was supposed to equate to well over 120hz.

Seems it actually won't go over 60hz and it bugs my eyes just like my last LCD did. 

I need an simple widescreen LCD around 24" (1080p) that will do at least 75hz refresh..

Any ideas?  I can't exchange the Asus.

EDIT: Newegg had 75hz listed in the specs for my LCD, but apparently that was only for some noname resolution that I don't use.

ROFLMO, it's an LCD, not CRT! They don't work in the same manner, 60HZ LCD is fine for gaming, it's the reponse time you need to look at on an LCD you fool!  You need a 2ms reponse time LCD from a brand like Samsung. Go read up on how LCD tech works you tool! 

Originally posted by IAmMMO

Originally posted by heremypet

I have a bit of a problem, it would seem that my eyes don't like the 60hz refresh rate put out by most LCDs  I have an old CRT but it's small compared to my LCDs.  It's not a huge issue, but noticable enough to be an annoyance.

Last LCD I bought was an Asus 1080p LCD.  I read up on the differences between standard and GTG responce measuring, and went with the 5ms LCD, which I thought was supposed to equate to well over 120hz.

Seems it actually won't go over 60hz and it bugs my eyes just like my last LCD did. 

I need an simple widescreen LCD around 24" (1080p) that will do at least 75hz refresh..

Any ideas?  I can't exchange the Asus.

EDIT: Newegg had 75hz listed in the specs for my LCD, but apparently that was only for some noname resolution that I don't use.

 

ROFLMO, it's an LCD, not CRT! They don't work in the same manner, 60HZ LCD is fine for gaming, it's the reponse time you need to look at on an LCD you fool!  You need a 2ms reponse time LCD from a brand like Samsung. Go read up on how LCD tech works you tool! 

@OP make sure your running it through an LCD monitor and not a LCD TV.

@ IAmMMO i guess you didnt read the rest of the posts stating the same thing you did... GOD BLESS IGNORANCE!

Originally posted by IAmMMO

ROFLMO, it's an LCD, not CRT! They don't work in the same manner, 60HZ LCD is fine for gaming, it's the reponse time you need to look at on an LCD you fool!  You need a 2ms reponse time LCD from a brand like Samsung. Go read up on how LCD tech works you tool! 

Sigh, if you only know this little about lcd's you better not give any suggestions at threads like this.