Aion is popular - it probably won't fail, even with various bad points to the game.

Do you think any of the kids on the school ground care that Billy has a few pimples, and is a little overweight, if he's popular with everyone? Likely, he has a good personality, perhaps a comedian, but that's getting off track...

People like the shiny new graphics that really make use of the graphics card bought last year, instead of, say, world of warcraft, which can be *run* on a GeForce 4, or something, at minimum? That's a very old piece of technology, and is another entry barrier that Blizzard has knocked down with their good programming and artistry.

If Blizzard did a graphics overhaul, say, a 10GB patch, that made the game look like their cinematic art (perhaps a few hundred thousand less polygons per character, though -_-''), then it would likely see a huge boom of players coming back, because they left due to the stale feel of the game, and the somewhat outdated graphics.

Altrought AION is not my cup of tea, I am sure it will not fail. It has enought quality and entertainment value in it not to fail. But if developers do not start to produce end game content for it, it might fail. Tabula Rasa failed big time cause it's lacked endgame.

But if game is accepted, which is the case, I am sure devs will start producing stuff soon.

Originally posted by Blazz

[...]is another entry barrier that Blizzard has knocked down with their good programming and artistry.[...]

It will probably won't fail even tho some parts of the game are very badly done.

About what Blazz said, I don't think you can call that "good programming and artistry" really.

There are loads of bugs in WoW and pure examples of failed programming. I'd say that is laziness and you can start with the fact that they're support fails along with the dev team failing every maintenance.

Being level 34 i think i can give a basic review on this game.

I enjoy it. It brings back memories of DAoC and the kinds of people i played with. It is popular RIGHT NOW but it is NOT a casual mmo players game. At the current state, anyway. being 2 weeks after launch there are still things that need to be done, obviously; but at its current state, it is NOT unplayable at all. There are server hiccups now and again but i've only encountered them as late night issues (around 4am to 5am central time). The game in its current form is basically weeding out the people that wont enjoy what they have to do to reach endgame, because its basically been spoon fed to them with never-ending instance runs for the same gear everyone else has.

Crafting is well implemented but VERY time consuming.

To me I enjoy hitting the last level and being able to feel like i was one of the better people to stick it out through the grind of a game, to go out and do what the game was meant to be; a war of the best. I lost this feeling when i played WoW for so long that it wasn't a thing to hit 80 but to have multiple 80's with raid shit that you had to run over and over again. Or grind an Arena of 2-5 people on each team. Try 50-100 on each team. Possibly more depending on server population.

THAT is a game. So i say again, having a casual mindset coming into this game will give you a headache in the end, and you'll probably end up quitting after you hit 25.

This game will not fail. The end game content is just too good to pass on once you get it. Large scale PVP a la DAoC is the best.

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Just was curious what other people thought.  I played the open beta and realized that the game was pretty horrible.  I mean the camera system wasn't too useful when it comes to PvP, seems like a clunky interface and the PvP is going to consist of people hitting chains mindlessly.  

Also, Is their whole endgame really going to be PvP?  It really annoys me when these carebear games come out and try to act like they are some kind of hardcore PvP game when they are basically catering to this audience: The people who suck at PvE so much they PvP.  Really, if the game was for PvPers then why isn't there a hardcore server where you can kill anyone at any level in any zone?  Currently it looks like there is a certain level restriction on PvP and also much of the PvP is focused in instances/artificial zones or specific zones.

What happened to games where you could PvP anywhere at any time?  That would be a real PvP game.

how can someone suck at pve? heh i think op suck at pvp so this is hes way to destroy the pvp players skills.

pve is allthe same as pvp if you only gona blame whacking chain skills mindlessly is allthesame hitting chain skill mindlessly on pve. or in raids or big groups you end up hitting few buttons only and if you do anyhting else you fail. this is how the mmo games are today accept it. 

cheers,

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Originally posted by Pontifus

 

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Originally posted by Ginkeq
...eliminating PvE is another way of dumbing down MMORPGs and catering to a mainstream audience that just isn't good enough for things that require strategies or skill.

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Little condescending there, eh?

Let's set aside the fact that the raiding you seem to be talking about is the sort that requires a time commitment of too many hours to be practical for people whose schedules include jobs or school -- it's a matter of free time, not of difficulty as such. You seem to be linking the preferences of the "mainstream audience" of which you speak with said audience's average skill level. Why? I'm not really sure; you've made absolutely no case for any sort of correlation there. Saying that a PvE or PvP experience is easier or harder for being what it is seems an unfounded generalization to me.

The majority, being the largest source of revenue, will determine the shape games take, and that's just fine with me, as long as it will keep misanthropes like you out of the games I play.

 

Total BS.  Ever raid with a PUG in WoW?  Going to tell me they are the same skill level as reputable guilds?  Lol.  Some people are just really bad at games, and its those mainstream MMORPGs like WoW and AION that are going to get them.

The majority sucks, because the majority is unskilled.  It's unfortunate these newer MMOs are so easy, because all the players are the same in terms of gear level etc.  Why even have levels when games like AION are so trivial to level up in?  Start people at 50, they will realize the game is horrible much faster.  Leveling just seems like a way to get extra revenue, after months of grinding in AION they will come to the realization that the game is no good, and then quit it.  But NCSoft will have gotten their 3-4 months or whatever as opposed to 1 months of revenue.

You know there were MMORPGs where not everyone could get level 60, I think we should go back to those times.  Let the levels distinguish bad players from good players, like it was in EQ. 

 

People who participate in fake PvP systems are the real problem.  Battlegrounds, Arenas, AION's PvP system are all fake PvP systems.  I have 0 regard for the people who are the top of these systems, because they aren't real systems where you PvP over game content or lose exp for dying.  Games like AION are padded wall MMOs, not fun at all.  Wonder how long people will play WoW and AION before they realize it's not fun, and never was fun.  They just log on out of chore, because there aren't any other MMORPGs out there worth playing, not because WoW/AION are actually enjoyable anymore.

Perhaps you should learn something about a game before posting my friend....You missed on all counts on every post you made here...LOL

Sugar coat it as American all they want in an effort to make a few more dollars the first month to get the asian market version some more life support  - it's still made for an Asian audience who tear through oriental grinders like a fat chick at a donut shop.  It will survive like the other asian grinders, i.e., archlords, sevenmoons, rappelz....etc.

Originally posted by Kalefen

Sugar coat it as American all they want in an effort to make a few more dollars the first month to get the asian market version some more life support  - it's still made for an Asian audience who tear through oriental grinders like a fat chick at a donut shop.  It will survive like the other asian grinders, i.e., archlords, sevenmoons, rappelz....etc.

Hrmm Everquest, Everquest 2, Star wars galaxies, Pirates of the burning sea all asian grinders..? SONY is a Japanese company as far as I can see the only game that not an asian grinder is WoW but then thats 3 days to hit max level in 1 repeated zone with +10 to the mobs, change the lighting, farm houses on other side of road -  god damn awfull.

I'm not asian and it is by far the best MMO that has been released in ages.

I tried to understand what OP is trying to say, but it all just blends into a white noise without sense.

Somewhere between the bragging about being skilled PvPer and old skool MMOer I finally found the golden seed.

There's something wrong with his personal life, I hope it gets better (honestly).

But to your ongoing "real PvP" smacktalk, the real PvP is not found from MMOs. Never has and never will. FPS are the real PvP games where skill shines over mechanics and the way MMOs have always been made doesn't support that. FPS games or chess, the choise is yours.

Originally posted by bden19

Being level 34 i think i can give a basic review on this game.

 

I enjoy it. It brings back memories of DAoC and the kinds of people i played with. It is popular RIGHT NOW but it is NOT a casual mmo players game. At the current state, anyway. being 2 weeks after launch there are still things that need to be done, obviously; but at its current state, it is NOT unplayable at all. There are server hiccups now and again but i've only encountered them as late night issues (around 4am to 5am central time). The game in its current form is basically weeding out the people that wont enjoy what they have to do to reach endgame, because its basically been spoon fed to them with never-ending instance runs for the same gear everyone else has.

Crafting is well implemented but VERY time consuming.

To me I enjoy hitting the last level and being able to feel like i was one of the better people to stick it out through the grind of a game, to go out and do what the game was meant to be; a war of the best. I lost this feeling when i played WoW for so long that it wasn't a thing to hit 80 but to have multiple 80's with raid shit that you had to run over and over again. Or grind an Arena of 2-5 people on each team. Try 50-100 on each team. Possibly more depending on server population.

 

THAT is a game. So i say again, having a casual mindset coming into this game will give you a headache in the end, and you'll probably end up quitting after you hit 25.

This game will not fail. The end game content is just too good to pass on once you get it. Large scale PVP a la DAoC is the best.

 I totally agree. I'm sick of being led around by the hand in MMOs. Aion has a fresh yet tough feel to it. And I love it. I don't think I could return to another "easy" MMO after playing Aion. Its the best MMO on the market right now imo. But I love pvp so I'm biased....lol