A lot of people are saying theres grind or an enourmous amount of it? I personally feel every MMO quest or mob slay is a grind... most MMO's though say kill 30 of said mob or bring back 50 teeth of this animal. Instead in AiON mobs are worth a sufficient amount of XP compared to most games and the quests say kill 10 mobs. On some instances only one I can think of to get the kobold amulet... I had to slay like an hour of mobs before the item dropped. I think that quest is just bugged though as I have never encountered that problem again.

Levels 1-20
I quested and gathered all the way through. Questing gains XP, I killed additional mobs when leaving questing ones gaining xp and drops and I gathered resources which give XP. I can go from 1-20 in a single day on quests and gathering... so I dont see the problem here.

Levels 21-25
I did quests, crafted, and rift pvp'd. Killing players gives XP, Crafting gives XP, Gathering for crafting gives XP... I'm sure at some point I killed mobs for 30 minutes or so as I personally enjoy green drops that sell for 40k on the vendor... so where you call this grinding I call it earning Kinah (Game currency).

Abyss
The initial quests... took me to 26 or pretty close to it... initial ABYSS quests. I also did a 10 times repeatable undead bone gathering quest because the guy gives you some nice boots after doing it 10 times.Then I grinded for 2 levels completely by choice because I want Abyss Points and the mob XP in the Abyss is 5-6k higher than mobs not in the abyss. This was my choice. Abyss points equal guild progress and eventually abyss gear.

Levels 28-30
I personally mixed a little grind in each morning before the Asmos were running wild in the Abyss not much maybe a quarter of a level which is equivilant to 2 or so repeatable ember quests. Other than that Quests Quest and more Questing. I mixed a little crafting in and A LOT of gathering (700 XP per gather) . I did notice a decline in quest XP compared to what I could earn grinding buy oh well I like questing. So boom hit 30. Still have like 22 unfinished quests in my log... an entire zone with lvl 28-35 quests that I need to pick up... tons of unfinished abyss quests and a new instance I can do for XP (Fire Temple)

so... This is my story and why I disagree with you... How am I wrong if i'm not experiencing your problem? My grind was by choice for drops and xp and I have plenty of quests to tide me over.

level 34 and my quest log is full, i cant take anymore quests!

People who say its purely a mob grind after 25 are lying. Between gathering, crafting, pvp and instance runs i always have enough xp to never "grind" a full level.

People this day and age want to be held by the hand and be spoonfed levels. Aion isnt that type of game.

Thankfully someone that GETS IT. 

Glad that you're having fun.  My experience has been similar to yours.

Happy hunting!

you won't get a full level from just questing this is true but its far from an asian grinder. Hell most in that category stop issuing quests after level 5.

Aions a great game and I'm actually starting to much prefer the xp setup Aion uses over other MMOs.

You all say Aions a grind? I say every other MMO is nothing but a quest grind. At least in Aion your out there getting awesome xp and loot while your killing stuff. I'd much rather this then running back and forth between npcs doing quests until I pull my hair out.

Aions questing/grinding system is superbly done. I liking won't play another MMO after Aion simply because every other MMO to me is nothing but a boring quest grind. I love going out and mindlessly killing mobs while practising combat for pvp. :-)

Originally posted by Perfection66

level 34 and my quest log is full, i cant take anymore quests!

People who say its purely a mob grind after 25 are lying. Between gathering, crafting, pvp and instance runs i always have enough xp to never "grind" a full level.

People this day and age want to be held by the hand and be spoonfed levels. Aion isnt that type of game.

 

 Yup, which is why I think the so called "grind" is going to weed out alot of whinners and crybabies. I love that Aion isnt easy. I didnt sign up to play WoW again. I signed up to try a different type of MMO. And Aion is exactly that.

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by Perfection66

level 34 and my quest log is full, i cant take anymore quests!

People who say its purely a mob grind after 25 are lying. Between gathering, crafting, pvp and instance runs i always have enough xp to never "grind" a full level.

People this day and age want to be held by the hand and be spoonfed levels. Aion isnt that type of game.

 

 

 Yup, which is why I think the so called "grind" is going to weed out alot of whinners and crybabies. I love that Aion isnt easy. I didnt sign up to play WoW again. I signed up to try a different type of MMO. And Aion is exactly that.

Yeah, Aion is a rough game, and it takes a while to level, and move up, and people don't like hard. if you don't like hard they can play WoW.

Originally posted by Ethian

Aions a great game and I'm actually starting to much prefer the xp setup Aion uses over other MMOs.

You all say Aions a grind? I say every other MMO is nothing but a quest grind. At least in Aion your out there getting awesome xp and loot while your killing stuff. I'd much rather this then running back and forth between npcs doing quests until I pull my hair out.

Aions questing/grinding system is superbly done. I liking won't play another MMO after Aion simply because every other MMO to me is nothing but a boring quest grind. I love going out and mindlessly killing mobs while practising combat for pvp. :-)

A different spin from most posters... Great post - I couldn't agree more

I spend my grind time hunting rare mobs and decking myself out in blues to feel cool.  Like Karat Ikid's Greatsword on my Asmodian Gladiator.

I enjoy it, so what, wanna fight about it?

Good times.

Originally posted by Cammy

Originally posted by Ethian

Aions a great game and I'm actually starting to much prefer the xp setup Aion uses over other MMOs.

You all say Aions a grind? I say every other MMO is nothing but a quest grind. At least in Aion your out there getting awesome xp and loot while your killing stuff. I'd much rather this then running back and forth between npcs doing quests until I pull my hair out.

Aions questing/grinding system is superbly done. I liking won't play another MMO after Aion simply because every other MMO to me is nothing but a boring quest grind. I love going out and mindlessly killing mobs while practising combat for pvp. :-)

 

A different spin from most posters... Great post - I couldn't agree more

One man's grind is another man's fun...

You guys crack me up :)

Since when repeating a gathering quest 10 times does not constitute grind?

Since when killing x mobs one after the other for y extra xp from handing in a quest in the end does not constitute grind?

But thats what you get from all pve in mmos you'll say?

Well no. There are games out there where a kill x mobs / gather y things quest can be fun and chalenging. If the mobs are inside a camp full of enemies that you need to infiltrate. When the camp gates are guarded by x mobs that you can't take on at once at your level but have to use your specific class skills and some exploration to work around this. When you have to time your attack to pick off patrols and single out enemies. etc etc 

Then a kill x mobs quest / gather y things can become an adventure and not grind.

But I fear all this are lost in (korean) translation to these kind of games and you are just trying to justify why killing evenly spaced mobs one by one by one is fun for you and the game is not a grind fest.

Good for you if you are enjoying this type of game but don't try and make it look like something it's not :P

Wow... After my last thread and all the spam talk about grind... Some how they all avoided this thread to flame in?

Originally posted by gtnbtfte

You guys crack me up :)

Since when repeating a gathering quest 10 times does not constitute grind?

Since when killing x mobs one after the other for y extra xp from handing in a quest in the end does not constitute grind?

But thats what you get from all pve in mmos you'll say?

Well no. There are games out there where a kill x mobs / gather y things quest can be fun and chalenging. If the mobs are inside a camp full of enemies that you need to infiltrate. When the camp gates are guarded by x mobs that you can't take on at once at your level but have to use your specific class skills and some exploration to work around this. When you have to time your attack to pick off patrols and single out enemies. etc etc 

Then a kill x mobs quest / gather y things can become an adventure and not grind.

But I fear all this are lost in (korean) translation to these kind of games and you are just trying to justify why killing evenly spaced mobs one by one by one is fun for you and the game is not a grind fest.

Good for you if you are enjoying this type of game but don't try and make it look like something it's not :P

This may shock you... but theres not only a large amount of roaming mobs that aggro on players and kill them while gathering x of this or that but theres GROUP quests to enter forts and slay X/X mobs as a team for high xp and gear too!!!! Oh Em Ge

but sure troll on and make things up about a game you dont even play obviously.

Firstly, it's good that you are having fun. That's what matters most when playing a game. Now about the grind. Some thoughts that are in no way meant to be offensive:

"Grinding is a term used in video gaming to describe the process of engaging in repetitive and/or non-entertaining gameplay in order to gain access to other features within the game." (wikipedia)
Grinding is not about how much time it takes to reach another level. A game becomes a grind when gameplay is repetitve and boring, thus making playing pointless. For example, if missions are "Kill x monsters". So even a game that is full of quests can be a "grindfest".
Now you can argue that every mmorpg is basically grind, but it is all about how a game presents that grind. Game companies in modern days seem to think that players aren't captable of doing more than clicking one button repeatly to kill enemies. Maybe, if they are really generous, you have to click another button to activate a skill.

Aion is a solid game from what I have experienced so far, but not "the game" many have been expecting. Some have been disappointed (though there will always be some who complain no matter what). So even if the "Aion is a grind" whining may not be valid, please try to accept the opinions of other people too.

And, on another note, please explain to me how grinding is "hardcore" or hard?

Leveling is all about how much time you invest. You don't have to think one bit, all you have to do is to follow that nice arrow to your goal, click on a few enemies and follow the arrow back to the one who gave you the quest. How is that hard?
 It's not about doing something others can't do or have failed to do, it's about spending hours playing.

I find it very difficult to keep my gathering skill up as fast as I level.  I finally just gave up and prefer to grind the XP difference between levels that the gathering quests would have given.

No question there's lots of ways to get XP.  I think people just complain about the grind because it's the most effecient.  I don't much mind it though.  When tired of grinding there is plenty else to do.

Originally posted by Tailz2k7

Originally posted by gtnbtfte

You guys crack me up :)

Since when repeating a gathering quest 10 times does not constitute grind?

Since when killing x mobs one after the other for y extra xp from handing in a quest in the end does not constitute grind?

But thats what you get from all pve in mmos you'll say?

Well no. There are games out there where a kill x mobs / gather y things quest can be fun and chalenging. If the mobs are inside a camp full of enemies that you need to infiltrate. When the camp gates are guarded by x mobs that you can't take on at once at your level but have to use your specific class skills and some exploration to work around this. When you have to time your attack to pick off patrols and single out enemies. etc etc 

Then a kill x mobs quest / gather y things can become an adventure and not grind.

But I fear all this are lost in (korean) translation to these kind of games and you are just trying to justify why killing evenly spaced mobs one by one by one is fun for you and the game is not a grind fest.

Good for you if you are enjoying this type of game but don't try and make it look like something it's not :P

 

but sure troll on and make things up about a game you dont even play obviously.

I agree.. based on his argument - I don't think he's even played Aion..

There are TONS of quests like the ones he's describing.

Originally posted by gtnbtfte

You guys crack me up :)

Since when repeating a gathering quest 10 times does not constitute grind?

Since when killing x mobs one after the other for y extra xp from handing in a quest in the end does not constitute grind?

But thats what you get from all pve in mmos you'll say?

Well no. There are games out there where a kill x mobs / gather y things quest can be fun and chalenging. If the mobs are inside a camp full of enemies that you need to infiltrate. When the camp gates are guarded by x mobs that you can't take on at once at your level but have to use your specific class skills and some exploration to work around this. When you have to time your attack to pick off patrols and single out enemies. etc etc 

Then a kill x mobs quest / gather y things can become an adventure and not grind.

But I fear all this are lost in (korean) translation to these kind of games and you are just trying to justify why killing evenly spaced mobs one by one by one is fun for you and the game is not a grind fest.

Good for you if you are enjoying this type of game but don't try and make it look like something it's not :P

I like how he says try not to make this game look like something it's not when he's pretty much doing the same thing, but from his own point of view of the game.

Everything you just stated this game has.  Maybe not 1-10, but thats because those levels are the prologue of the game.  It introduces you to the game and eases you into your starter class. 

After 10 it gets more into what you just pointed out, but not as hardcore.  That's because your transitioning into your "next" class.

Originally posted by Dead_Eyes

Firstly, it's good that you are having fun. That's what matters most when playing a game. Now about the grind. Some thoughts that are in no way meant to be offensive:

 

"Grinding is a term used in video gaming to describe the process of engaging in repetitive and/or non-entertaining gameplay in order to gain access to other features within the game." (wikipedia)
Grinding is not about how much time it takes to reach another level. A game becomes a grind when gameplay is repetitve and boring, thus making playing pointless. For example, if missions are "Kill x monsters". So even a game that is full of quests can be a "grindfest".
Now you can argue that every mmorpg is basically grind, but it is all about how a game presents that grind. Game companies in modern days seem to think that players aren't captable of doing more than clicking one button repeatly to kill enemies. Maybe, if they are really generous, you have to click another button to activate a skill.

Aion is a solid game from what I have experienced so far, but not "the game" many have been expecting. Some have been disappointed (though there will always be some who complain no matter what). So even if the "Aion is a grind" whining may not be valid, please try to accept the opinions of other people too.

And, on another note, please explain to me how grinding is "hardcore" or hard?

Leveling is all about how much time you invest. You don't have to think one bit, all you have to do is to follow that nice arrow to your goal, click on a few enemies and follow the arrow back to the one who gave you the quest. How is that hard?
 It's not about doing something others can't do or have failed to do, it's about spending hours playing.

 

All I can say is..........wikipedia as a reference isn't a good thing to add to your arguement imo.

I just wish you could get into PvP earlier than how it is currently.  That's one of my only gripes because the whole perspective of this game changes once you're able to.  Of course, considering the amount that actually think this game is great until around lvl 20 and then goes down the tube maybe I'm wrong.

It was the opposite for me.  I didn't get interested in this game until the later levels.  It wasn't bad beforehand it just wasn't anything real entertaining to me either.  Once you get into the area with rifts though and when you eventually get to run around the Abyss the game takes a whole new perspective in my opinion.  One, so far, I thoroughly enjoy.

Kind of surprises me though some feel the exact opposite way about the game.  To each their own though I suppose.

Originally posted by Tailz2k7

Originally posted by gtnbtfte

You guys crack me up :)

Since when repeating a gathering quest 10 times does not constitute grind?

Since when killing x mobs one after the other for y extra xp from handing in a quest in the end does not constitute grind?

But thats what you get from all pve in mmos you'll say?

Well no. There are games out there where a kill x mobs / gather y things quest can be fun and chalenging. If the mobs are inside a camp full of enemies that you need to infiltrate. When the camp gates are guarded by x mobs that you can't take on at once at your level but have to use your specific class skills and some exploration to work around this. When you have to time your attack to pick off patrols and single out enemies. etc etc 

Then a kill x mobs quest / gather y things can become an adventure and not grind.

But I fear all this are lost in (korean) translation to these kind of games and you are just trying to justify why killing evenly spaced mobs one by one by one is fun for you and the game is not a grind fest.

Good for you if you are enjoying this type of game but don't try and make it look like something it's not :P

 

This may shock you... but theres not only a large amount of roaming mobs that aggro on players and kill them while gathering x of this or that but theres GROUP quests to enter forts and slay X/X mobs as a team for high xp and gear too!!!! Oh Em Ge

 

but sure troll on and make things up about a game you dont even play obviously.

Should I ask you to read your OP again?

Where is all that fun in your OP where you are just adding up xp from quests on this level and on that and presenting yourself that repeating a quest 10 times is not grind.

It all reads like a sorry atempt to convice yourself and others that you are not wasting your time grinding away for hours.

So there are camps of elite mobs that you need a group to kill? Oh Em Gee :P that must be an MMO first.

Also it has nothing to do with what I was writing about in my post.  I was talking about the solo/leveling part of the game and how meaningfull exploration and challenging quests using smart level design and npc concetration can make soloing fun in a mmo.

So here is the $100 question: Find me a thread on these forums from 2007-2009 trying to justify that LOTRO is not a pile of mindless grind :)

Now count all the Aion threads in the last 2 weeks on that subject.

Does this tell you something?

unfortunately im not writing you a strat guide on leveling so I am not going through every quest and how to accomplish them nor am I saying it's fun to everyone as it is to me. Obviously if i'm playing and leveling im having fun. So with that being said what exactly are you asking? How about you actually go play the game and find out for yourself? This will be the last reply I make to your troll posts since I nor anyone else feels you've actually played the game.

[EDIT] Maybe you missed every post in this thread. The complaint is that the game is MOB GRIND! It's not... it is like every other MMO ever created. It's a quest, crafting, and mob grind. A gear grind even... a PvP grind... if your not having fun ... anything you do is a grind. Every MMO makes you grind to hit end game. So either you like MMO's or you don't either way stop being ignorant and trolling for a game you "Don't" like.

Originally posted by gtnbtfte

So here is the $100 question: Find me a thread on these forums from 2007-2009 trying to justify that LOTRO is not a pile of mindless grind :)

Now count all the Aion threads in the last 2 weeks on that subject.

Does this tell you something?

 

Not sure about these forums because I didn't come here but on the LotR forums that actually was a very real and active complaint by people because many felt there weren't enough quests at the higher levels and it forced you to have to grind mobs.  That was part of the reason such a fuss was made when Turbine released their first book update because Evendim was to provide content to fill gaps in areas people were "having trouble" with leveling in becuase it was considered one of the level ranges the game was hard up for quests.  That and introducing their reputation system.

It was also a complaint WoW had after launch although I'm sure most suffer from amnesia about that whole affair.

People really have a selective memory when it comes to these things it seems.

Originally posted by gtnbtfte

Originally posted by Tailz2k7

Originally posted by gtnbtfte

You guys crack me up :)

Since when repeating a gathering quest 10 times does not constitute grind?

Since when killing x mobs one after the other for y extra xp from handing in a quest in the end does not constitute grind?

But thats what you get from all pve in mmos you'll say?

Well no. There are games out there where a kill x mobs / gather y things quest can be fun and chalenging. If the mobs are inside a camp full of enemies that you need to infiltrate. When the camp gates are guarded by x mobs that you can't take on at once at your level but have to use your specific class skills and some exploration to work around this. When you have to time your attack to pick off patrols and single out enemies. etc etc 

Then a kill x mobs quest / gather y things can become an adventure and not grind.

But I fear all this are lost in (korean) translation to these kind of games and you are just trying to justify why killing evenly spaced mobs one by one by one is fun for you and the game is not a grind fest.

Good for you if you are enjoying this type of game but don't try and make it look like something it's not :P

 

This may shock you... but theres not only a large amount of roaming mobs that aggro on players and kill them while gathering x of this or that but theres GROUP quests to enter forts and slay X/X mobs as a team for high xp and gear too!!!! Oh Em Ge

 

but sure troll on and make things up about a game you dont even play obviously.

 

Should I ask you to read your OP again?

Where is all that fun in your OP where you are just adding up xp from quests on this level and on that and presenting yourself that repeating a quest 10 times is not grind.

It all reads like a sorry atempt to convice yourself and others that you are not wasting your time grinding away for hours.

So there are camps of elite mobs that you need a group to kill? Oh Em Gee :P that must be an MMO first.

Also it has nothing to do with what I was writing about in my post.  I was talking about the solo/leveling part of the game and how meaningfull exploration and challenging quests using smart level design and npc concetration can make soloing fun in a mmo.

So here is the $100 question: Find me a thread on these forums from 2007-2009 trying to justify that LOTRO is not a pile of mindless grind :)

Now count all the Aion threads in the last 2 weeks on that subject.

Does this tell you something?

 

Tells me that your thought on a certain subject must mean to you that it's 100% true no matter what.

I tried playing LOTRO and was really bored with it.  Crafting didn't seem to be worth it.  Quests were just like every other MMO, which I had to problem with.  That game just didn't hold me.  Does that mean the game wasn't challenging or a good game?  No it doesn't.  So please don't think just because Aion didn't hold you or interest you that it means it was a bad game or a grind.

Every MMO is a grind no matter, which way you look at it.  Either it be leveling up or getting professions up.

Originally posted by Tailz2k7

A lot of people are saying theres grind or an enourmous amount of it? I personally feel every MMO quest or mob slay is a grind... most MMO's though say kill 30 of said mob or bring back 50 teeth of this animal. Instead in AiON mobs are worth a sufficient amount of XP compared to most games and the quests say kill 10 mobs. On some instances only one I can think of to get the kobold amulet... I had to slay like an hour of mobs before the item dropped. I think that quest is just bugged though as I have never encountered that problem again.

Levels 1-20
I quested and gathered all the way through. Questing gains XP, I killed additional mobs when leaving questing ones gaining xp and drops and I gathered resources which give XP. I can go from 1-20 in a single day on quests and gathering... so I dont see the problem here.

Levels 21-25
I did quests, crafted, and rift pvp'd. Killing players gives XP, Crafting gives XP, Gathering for crafting gives XP... I'm sure at some point I killed mobs for 30 minutes or so as I personally enjoy green drops that sell for 40k on the vendor... so where you call this grinding I call it earning Kinah (Game currency).

Abyss
The initial quests... took me to 26 or pretty close to it... initial ABYSS quests. I also did a 10 times repeatable undead bone gathering quest because the guy gives you some nice boots after doing it 10 times.Then I grinded for 2 levels completely by choice because I want Abyss Points and the mob XP in the Abyss is 5-6k higher than mobs not in the abyss. This was my choice. Abyss points equal guild progress and eventually abyss gear.

Levels 28-30
I personally mixed a little grind in each morning before the Asmos were running wild in the Abyss not much maybe a quarter of a level which is equivilant to 2 or so repeatable ember quests. Other than that Quests Quest and more Questing. I mixed a little crafting in and A LOT of gathering (700 XP per gather) . I did notice a decline in quest XP compared to what I could earn grinding buy oh well I like questing. So boom hit 30. Still have like 22 unfinished quests in my log... an entire zone with lvl 28-35 quests that I need to pick up... tons of unfinished abyss quests and a new instance I can do for XP (Fire Temple)

 

so... This is my story and why I disagree with you... How am I wrong if i'm not experiencing your problem? My grind was by choice for drops and xp and I have plenty of quests to tide me over.

Levels 1-20
I quested and gathered all the way through. Questing gains XP, I killed additional mobs when leaving questing ones gaining xp and drops and I gathered resources which give XP. I can go from 1-20 in a single day on quests and gathering... so I dont see the problem here.

Please break this down for me as I am having trouble believing you can get to lvl 20 in just 1 day....24 hrs or 12 hrs??? A friend of mine has been playing in beta and was in headstart and he spends almost all of his time in game and he is like 26 now and that's been like ...what ..2 weeks now? it took me almost all day to do all the quests just on Peota, with my priest.......thx