I'm planning to get this game as it doesn't seem so stuck-to-ground like all the latest MMORPGs. From what I've read, this game sounds a lot like old school MMORPGs which I actually enjoy, and I can't help but get SWG in my head when thinking about this game. Truly did I like that MMORPG (Pre-NG), the only one I could confidently say "that game was great".

Anyhow, am I expecting something wrong? To make it easier, which MMORPG player would you say this game fits most. I could bring these five games into play: WoW crowd, Lineage 2 crowd, EvE crowd or SWG, UO etc. etc. crowd. By crowd I mean people who enjoy the specific gameplay to these games. If none, then could you bring up what you enjoy so much about the game and why? Dislikes?

I'm not the best at getting organized texts, so here comes a last question. Does it have instances/dungeons?

 Somewhere between EVE and SWG crowd. It seems many different crowds are enjoying it though. I see posts from WOW vets, SWG pre NGE vets and some EVE folks scattered here and there. I like that its a hybrid game (neither sandbox nor themepark but good elements of both) that has a ton of depth and a quality indie company behind it. I enjoy the RP possibilities and stories along with the gameplay. Combat feels about right and crafting is awesome. 

Word of caution as every new game has a ton of these posts and just want to point something out. If you want to play a game to capture the nostalgia of a previous game you played then it will fail. Nothing replaces that first love nothing. EQ 1 lovers, SWG pre CU, UO pre Trammel all have the same problem in that they hop from game to game wanting it to recapture that feeling and they always come up lacking. Ya cant bring back that virgin feeling. That said I think FE is a quality game and if you liked the idea of SWG then you will enjoy FE.

Originally posted by parrotpholk

 Somewhere between EVE and SWG crowd. It seems many different crowds are enjoying it though. I see posts from WOW vets, SWG pre NGE vets and some EVE folks scattered here and there. I like that its a hybrid game (neither sandbox nor themepark but good elements of both) that has a ton of depth and a quality indie company behind it. I enjoy the RP possibilities and stories along with the gameplay. Combat feels about right and crafting is awesome. 

Word of caution as every new game has a ton of these posts and just want to point something out. If you want to play a game to capture the nostalgia of a previous game you played then it will fail. Nothing replaces that first love nothing. EQ 1 lovers, SWG pre CU, UO pre Trammel all have the same problem in that they hop from game to game wanting it to recapture that feeling and they always come up lacking. Ya cant bring back that virgin feeling. That said I think FE is a quality game and if you liked the idea of SWG then you will enjoy FE.

True, and to be honest I feel the same way playing FE as I did when I played SWG pre NGE..  I think its because of all the great things you could do... and yes the crafting is different and not as expansive as in SWG, but 2 weeks out and I feel the game already has less bugs and balance issues then SWG pre-nge ever did.

I'd place it in the EVE / SWG (Orig)  / UO type bracket. 
The game is deep, almost overwhelming in some cases.  

It is hard to classify what any one player would like, but I think if you found fun in the original SWG or even UO before they bastardized it into 2D WoW...  Then you'd probably like FE.  
 

Originally posted by parrotpholk

 Somewhere between EVE and SWG crowd. It seems many different crowds are enjoying it though. I see posts from WOW vets, SWG pre NGE vets and some EVE folks scattered here and there. I like that its a hybrid game (neither sandbox nor themepark but good elements of both) that has a ton of depth and a quality indie company behind it. I enjoy the RP possibilities and stories along with the gameplay. Combat feels about right and crafting is awesome. 

Word of caution as every new game has a ton of these posts and just want to point something out. If you want to play a game to capture the nostalgia of a previous game you played then it will fail. Nothing replaces that first love nothing. EQ 1 lovers, SWG pre CU, UO pre Trammel all have the same problem in that they hop from game to game wanting it to recapture that feeling and they always come up lacking. Ya cant bring back that virgin feeling. That said I think FE is a quality game and if you liked the idea of SWG then you will enjoy FE.

I'm full aware that no game ever will capture that special first moments we experienced, but that goes for almost everything. I can not help to think back of these times though, nostalgia is a part of our lives. You're right that a lot of people do the misstake by having such high hopes for a new upcoming game, it leads to dissapointment nearly every time as long as you're not a major fan. Oh, the good young times (I'm sitll young though). After playing so many games, the high expectations I had before have been choked, disappointment after disappointment. Either it turns out to be completely different to what you had in mind or the classic "same old same old" case.

Thanks for the reply, I still have some doubts though. Recently read how easy the combat is, I wouldn't like it if this game is almost full on crafting with no effort put to the PvE. I don't want to solo everything, I liked how you formed massive parties in SWG, and that's maybe a reason why I play MMORPGs. Thinking the PvP part might be quite awesome in the game, but for me, PvE is quite essential.

Originally posted by Kraav

Originally posted by parrotpholk

 Somewhere between EVE and SWG crowd. It seems many different crowds are enjoying it though. I see posts from WOW vets, SWG pre NGE vets and some EVE folks scattered here and there. I like that its a hybrid game (neither sandbox nor themepark but good elements of both) that has a ton of depth and a quality indie company behind it. I enjoy the RP possibilities and stories along with the gameplay. Combat feels about right and crafting is awesome. 

Word of caution as every new game has a ton of these posts and just want to point something out. If you want to play a game to capture the nostalgia of a previous game you played then it will fail. Nothing replaces that first love nothing. EQ 1 lovers, SWG pre CU, UO pre Trammel all have the same problem in that they hop from game to game wanting it to recapture that feeling and they always come up lacking. Ya cant bring back that virgin feeling. That said I think FE is a quality game and if you liked the idea of SWG then you will enjoy FE.

 

I'm full aware that no game ever will capture that special first moments we experienced, but that goes for almost everything. I can not help to think back of these times though, nostalgia is a part of our lives. You're right that a lot of people do the misstake by having such high hopes for a new upcoming game, it leads to dissapointment nearly every time as long as you're not a major fan. Oh, the good young times (I'm sitll young though). After playing so many games, the high expectations I had before have been choked, disappointment after disappointment. Either it turns out to be completely different to what you had in mind or the classic "same old same old" case.

Thanks for the reply, I still have some doubts though. Recently read how easy the combat is, I wouldn't like it if this game is almost full on crafting with no effort put to the PvE. I don't want to solo everything, I liked how you formed massive parties in SWG, and that's maybe a reason why I play MMORPGs. Thinking the PvP part might be quite awesome in the game, but for me, PvE is quite essential.

Here is the way I look at the current state of the PvE and others may disagree but here goes. We are only at level 45 right now as far as cap and the devs have stated a cap of 150 has been planned. S4 is done almost and 5 already being worked on. So in theory you can look at the first levels as the game in its infancy and will mature more and more. For lack of a better comparison from a pve standpoint....its like being in Elwynn Forest in WOW and just getting to Westfall. You needed zero groups and could solo anything but you also have only seen a small portion of the game.  

On the other hand you could just see what is in front of you and not over the hill top and say its to easy.

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by Kraav

Originally posted by parrotpholk

 Somewhere between EVE and SWG crowd. It seems many different crowds are enjoying it though. I see posts from WOW vets, SWG pre NGE vets and some EVE folks scattered here and there. I like that its a hybrid game (neither sandbox nor themepark but good elements of both) that has a ton of depth and a quality indie company behind it. I enjoy the RP possibilities and stories along with the gameplay. Combat feels about right and crafting is awesome. 

Word of caution as every new game has a ton of these posts and just want to point something out. If you want to play a game to capture the nostalgia of a previous game you played then it will fail. Nothing replaces that first love nothing. EQ 1 lovers, SWG pre CU, UO pre Trammel all have the same problem in that they hop from game to game wanting it to recapture that feeling and they always come up lacking. Ya cant bring back that virgin feeling. That said I think FE is a quality game and if you liked the idea of SWG then you will enjoy FE.

 

I'm full aware that no game ever will capture that special first moments we experienced, but that goes for almost everything. I can not help to think back of these times though, nostalgia is a part of our lives. You're right that a lot of people do the misstake by having such high hopes for a new upcoming game, it leads to dissapointment nearly every time as long as you're not a major fan. Oh, the good young times (I'm sitll young though). After playing so many games, the high expectations I had before have been choked, disappointment after disappointment. Either it turns out to be completely different to what you had in mind or the classic "same old same old" case.

Thanks for the reply, I still have some doubts though. Recently read how easy the combat is, I wouldn't like it if this game is almost full on crafting with no effort put to the PvE. I don't want to solo everything, I liked how you formed massive parties in SWG, and that's maybe a reason why I play MMORPGs. Thinking the PvP part might be quite awesome in the game, but for me, PvE is quite essential.

Here is the way I look at the current state of the PvE and others may disagree but here goes. We are only at level 45 right now as far as cap and the devs have stated a cap of 150 has been planned. S4 is done almost and 5 already being worked on. So in theory you can look at the first levels as the game in its infancy and will mature more and more. For lack of a better comparison from a pve standpoint....its like being in Elwynn Forest in WOW and just getting to Westfall. You needed zero groups and could solo anything but you also have only seen a small portion of the game.  

 

On the other hand you could just see what is in front of you and not over the hill top and say its to easy.

This game definitely sounds like something. However, in your opinion, do you think it would be better to wait out until the apple hanging from the tree has turned red? Or could I rather just start now, right away, and have plenty of stuff to do until I have reached lv 45, as that is the max for now of what I understood? What do you mean by S1, S2, S3, S4 etc.? I am not aware of these As. Oh, I meant abbreviations.

How long does it take to reach lv45 though. If the initial planned cap was 150, then what, not even half of the game is finished? A lot of the levels seems missing, but how much of the actual content is? I wouldn't mind so much about the levels as long as you got stuff to do all the way up, unlike darkfall (of what I have heard, not actually experienced it myself, but after all hate and failfail comments on it I don't really get the feeling to try it out.)

Here is the way I look at the current state of the PvE and others may disagree but here goes. We are only at level 45 right now as far as cap and the devs have stated a cap of 150 has been planned. S4 is done almost and 5 already being worked on. So in theory you can look at the first levels as the game in its infancy and will mature more and more. For lack of a better comparison from a pve standpoint....its like being in Elwynn Forest in WOW and just getting to Westfall. You needed zero groups and could solo anything but you also have only seen a small portion of the game.  

 

On the other hand you could just see what is in front of you and not over the hill top and say its to easy.

 

This game definitely sounds like something. However, in your opinion, do you think it would be better to wait out until the apple hanging from the tree has turned red? Or could I rather just start now, right away, and have plenty of stuff to do until I have reached lv 45, as that is the max for now of what I understood? What do you mean by S1, S2, S3, S4 etc.? I am not aware of these As. Oh, I meant abbreviations.

How long does it take to reach lv45 though. If the initial planned cap was 150, then what, not even half of the game is finished? A lot of the levels seems missing, but how much of the actual content is? I wouldn't mind so much about the levels as long as you got stuff to do all the way up, unlike darkfall (of what I have heard, not actually experienced it myself, but after all hate and failfail comments on it I don't really get the feeling to try it out.)

Their long term goal is 150. They have a long term plan laid out and thats where we are going before we hit that mythical endgame. S1, 2 and so on are the sectors or zones. Right now there is 1-3 which according to devs would take bout 11hrs on foot to cross. A majority of the population still seems to be in S1 as there is a ton to do there and alot of folks are doing every town to maximize the amount of AP points they get since not only do you get them by leveling you also get them through certain missions.

To get to 45 is a difficult question to answer since I dont know the type of gamer you are. For instance I am doing everything as I go. My character is primary crafter with rifle and melee mixed in there so I am gathering everything in sight and crafting all I can while exploring and running missions. In 2 weeks of steady play I am level 10. FE to me is a different type of game and I am taking it all in. Plus the community is great so I can waste an hour chatting and accomplish next to nothing. There are some folks who are 45 already but headstart was about 3 weeks long and they were beta players.

As far as my opinion on waiting or not..........hard to say. They patch regularly and fix problems fairly quick for such a small company. If you go to the official forums or even look at this one and compare it to lets say AIon which is the other big release and compare the trolling and pure whine threads I think FE comes out on top for least amount of whine. I think its a good time to jump in but there are bugs and there are performance hiccups.  The main complaints seem to stem from the no respec and occasionally the no fast/instant travel comes up.  You seem like you would be a good addition to the game so hope you hop on in and if you decide to wait cya in a few months as most of us are in for the long haul. That annual sub will be showing up on my CC bill the end of the month.

Hey man, thanks for taking your time answering. Ill definitely buy the game on friday or during the weekend, and Ill see fo sho if I like it or not. Sometimes I cant help but turn my eyes on the negative crowd and really wonder if somethings worth getting, but I mustnt forget how many actually have positive views. I could be one of them, but then it could also turn out to be a disappointment. $49 may not be much, but money is money. I always get horrible feelings of regrets when Ive made a misstake on something I bought although such small sums.

Anyway, see you in the game some time (maybe)

I would like to add one little thing: Last night I actually ran out of quests . . . and my reaction was: "Yes more time to do stuff!" not what you usually see in new MMOs "what now?"

The game is deep and its build around you having something to do all the time without HAVING to do quests. You don't just automatically progress, often you have to seek out trainers of specific stuff.

On the other hand you progress constantly, the only things levels does is to increase caps on your abilities ( and a tiny amount of hits) but you constantly gain APs which you use to buy Stats, skills and powers and its up to you to balance how you spend your points, skills give fast easy progression in a single element but stats give expensive but broad increases. Its your choice.

If you have ever played GURPS compared to D&D then you will understand the difference between FE and most new MMOs.

Originally posted by Kraav 

If the initial planned cap was 150, then what, not even half of the game is finished?

Alot of gamemakers announce their plans to have an expansion and that doesn't in itself make it incomplete.

I remember something that Blizzard pretty early stated something about that they will do, or that they will atleast do, 3 expansions. But that didn't mean they didn't release a finished product.

It's kind of hard maybe, but relasing to much information about what is planned vs to release nothing. On one side there is the thought that you express vs perhaps something like they don't have anything planned for the game.

Originally posted by Carnivorous

Quests are the worst bore ever and I would like to see more games whose players aren't required to do them to progress in the game. In FE sadly one has to do them (AP quests).

I mean hunting carebears scavenging stuff in pvp zones or conflict towns are so much fun... It's a horrid irony all MMOs are based on something which majority of players don't even read. Just press M, find the red cross, travel, kill, go back.

If I wanted to read something I would go for a book.

 

If a game wants to tell a story it should use cinematics.

I have to ask if you buy characters?

You just ruled out every possibilty to level, or gain skills, whatever the games solution is to advance characters. (As you said not even doing "Just press M, find the red cross, travel, kill, go back." is an option. Nor seemingly the other obvious choice, pure grinding.)

Originally posted by Carnivorous

 If a game wants to tell a story it should use cinematics.

Cinematics? So I can sit there and watch some stupid cutscene for 5 minutes? No thank you. I like to play my games, not watch them. And I am not illiterate, so I am able to read quest texts.

I think this is the first MMO I have ever played that I don't watch the xp bar (circle).  I have 2 toons right now (lvl 5 and level 3) with about 5-6 hours play time. I am really enjoying just exploring and scavenging for materials. I don't feel the need to level fast as the game is just fun to play even with the controls being wonky (its not a true shooter by the way). Quest dialogues are short and interesting so I don't mind reading them. 

My level 3 toon is going to be crafting only if I can help it and will provide stuff for my main and sell stuff at auction.

To be honest the graphics really are not horrible I only wish the would redo animations a fix technical problems. to make the game feel more solid.