Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Swanea

Originally posted by deviliscious

Being a girl in an mmo

Who thinks of these stupid ideas?!!

 

People who want Nipples and dimes....

Nickles and boobs...

 

Money...

What are you babbling about? Change username would run off girls not bring them to the games. LOL

 Being forced to change your name because some creep won;t take a hint, or having the same guy stalk you repeatedly by changing his name would make girls want to leave the game,  not stay.

 Having evryone know what he does allows women to see him coming a mile away. Girls talk about EVERYTHING you know ..
 

I see you don't follow family guy, thus this post and all others you create are worthless.

I was referring to the fact that the people who created the idea behind changing names, wanted money. 

Originally posted by Rajen

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Rajen

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Rajen

Originally posted by Gameloading

This can be fixed very easily by having the ignore or block list change along with the name.

 

 

This is definitely what should be done...

 

So in order to know who they are you have to go look them up in your ignore list and see all their names listed?

This would make it very difficult on large guilds, and is not worth the hassle because peaches wants to change his name to chuck. This can easily be solved by stating " are you happy with this name? Hope so because your stuck with it!" at the time of creation. a hellofalot less trouble.

 

 

 

You wouldn't have to look them up would you? If they are already on the list they shouldn't be able to respond to you or talk to you...

yes, you would have to look them up everytime your guild gets a new application. Yes you would hav to look them up and post all of their alias's everytime they changed their name and update blacklists, creating a buttload of confusion to bounty hunters that have split seconds to decide whether or not their  is a bounty on their heads.
 

This would create a royal pain in the ass for guild, merc and bounty hunters. before you could trade with anyone new, you would have to check this long list of alias..  and for what reason? because  some idiot misnamed themselves? lol

 

 

Hmm I guess I could put it like this... someone creates the name xXSephirothxXxx when they are 13-14 years old, they play the game for 5 years and now that they are a bit older, more mature, etc. they can't stand the name anymore and can't stand being on the character because of it. I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to change the name...

 

Punishing others in order to punish the bad seeds... I don't know there needs to be some solution to it =/

Maybe when someone examines the character (which is what guilds usually do when they recruit) there is a list of names the character has been during its lifetime... or something of the sort?

the solution is NO name changes, if they want to change their name for cosmetic reasons later they are free to create a new account, as they always have. just put a warning on their account when they create their character. simple as that. That way they know  they are going to have to live with whatever they decide.

 Why punish the other players for a mistake some kid made?

Originally posted by Swanea

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Swanea

Originally posted by deviliscious

Being a girl in an mmo

Who thinks of these stupid ideas?!!

 

People who want Nipples and dimes....

Nickles and boobs...

 

Money...

What are you babbling about? Change username would run off girls not bring them to the games. LOL

 Being forced to change your name because some creep won;t take a hint, or having the same guy stalk you repeatedly by changing his name would make girls want to leave the game,  not stay.

 Having evryone know what he does allows women to see him coming a mile away. Girls talk about EVERYTHING you know ..
 

I see you don't follow family guy, thus this post and all others you create are worthless.

 

I was referring to the fact that the people who created the idea behind changing names, wanted money. 

But if it loses money how are they gaining money by doing it? And yes, I have watched Family guy.. don't remember that particular phrase though lol. 

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

This can be fixed very easily by having the ignore or block list change along with the name.

That isn;t a solution at all. Then I have them iggied, cant see what they are saying. They could be standing next to me being recruited for my guild, scamming my best friend and i wouldn;t see any of it happen.
 

Players should be held accountable in game by their peers for their actions.  How can you put a bounty on someone without having their name stay the same? There is no real arguement for the need for name change. It ruins gameplay.

 

What exactly is the problem here?

Is it you being stalked by them or getting harassed? Because you seem to have conflicting interest. first you want them to stop stalking you, I'm not sure how you plan to do that if you're not willing to put them on your ignore list, Now you want to know what they are saying about you. If they are saying bad things, what does it matter if you know them who you are?

Also, scamming your best friend? That's a pretty hard thing to do these days as making a trade requires both parties to accept the deal.

I make them stop stalking me by killing them, everyone kills them. They  enter any type of pvp zone,  they get creamed. You blacklist their name, put bounties on their head and post exactly what the y are being blacklisted for.
 

They then cannot be recruited by legitmate guilds, they are barred from trade, they are basically ran out of town until they are removed from the list and redeem themselves.

You must be an " in game player" most people I hang with are " in and out of game players". This requires reputation word of mouth references in order to  build the trust to allow them to be in your messenger, vent, TS be given passwords to log in to guild forums, ect..

The ability to cloak their identity compromises not only the guild systems, it compromises your personal security if they turn out to be some repeat keylogger.

 

Well you can only kill them in games that allow FFA PVP and that number is decreasing pretty fast, especially in modern mmorpgs as Faction vs Faction seems to be the new norm.

Why would it matter if he changes his name? Obviously if he stalks you you'll notice it pretty quickly regardless of his name.

Technically a person could do something bad and then simply change his name. Will this happen sometime? Sure. Does it happen often enough to justify completely removal of name change? Probably not.
I don't know of any game that lets you change your name for free.

About guild forums and such, those are all out of game things which you can't hold the game development studio responsible for.

Acxtually it has happened alot, they create new accounts and such and then attempt to gain your trust. The barrier being they must create more than one account to do so, which takes time and effort. Changing names does not.
 

Considering guilds are the core of their player base, they should take compromising guilds into consideration when making these changes.

They also should take into consideration  that one of the core features in an mmorpg community is " reputation" and how are you supposed to know who is reputable and who is not if they can just simply change their name?

They should be able to create a new account, but NO NAME CHANGES.  That way they have to start over from scratch if they built a poor reputation for themselves. That is noones fault but their own.

Name changing punishes the core player base, long term players, not the people causing problems.

Keeping clear of passwords is your guilds responsibility, not anybody elses. If an enemy guild is trying to hack your guild forum, they can simply send somebody to join your guild to get the password. Sure that same person won't be able to do that twice but they could just simply send another person. It does still require effort because name changes aren't free. They cost money.

You're pretending as if it's a widespread problem when you're really talking about a very, very, very small amount of people that are abusing it, and saying to completely remove the feature just because a guild can't keep its password secret isn't a good argument imo.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

This can be fixed very easily by having the ignore or block list change along with the name.

That isn;t a solution at all. Then I have them iggied, cant see what they are saying. They could be standing next to me being recruited for my guild, scamming my best friend and i wouldn;t see any of it happen.
 

Players should be held accountable in game by their peers for their actions.  How can you put a bounty on someone without having their name stay the same? There is no real arguement for the need for name change. It ruins gameplay.

 

What exactly is the problem here?

Is it you being stalked by them or getting harassed? Because you seem to have conflicting interest. first you want them to stop stalking you, I'm not sure how you plan to do that if you're not willing to put them on your ignore list, Now you want to know what they are saying about you. If they are saying bad things, what does it matter if you know them who you are?

Also, scamming your best friend? That's a pretty hard thing to do these days as making a trade requires both parties to accept the deal.

I make them stop stalking me by killing them, everyone kills them. They  enter any type of pvp zone,  they get creamed. You blacklist their name, put bounties on their head and post exactly what the y are being blacklisted for.
 

They then cannot be recruited by legitmate guilds, they are barred from trade, they are basically ran out of town until they are removed from the list and redeem themselves.

You must be an " in game player" most people I hang with are " in and out of game players". This requires reputation word of mouth references in order to  build the trust to allow them to be in your messenger, vent, TS be given passwords to log in to guild forums, ect..

The ability to cloak their identity compromises not only the guild systems, it compromises your personal security if they turn out to be some repeat keylogger.

 

Well you can only kill them in games that allow FFA PVP and that number is decreasing pretty fast, especially in modern mmorpgs as Faction vs Faction seems to be the new norm.

Why would it matter if he changes his name? Obviously if he stalks you you'll notice it pretty quickly regardless of his name.

Technically a person could do something bad and then simply change his name. Will this happen sometime? Sure. Does it happen often enough to justify completely removal of name change? Probably not.
I don't know of any game that lets you change your name for free.

About guild forums and such, those are all out of game things which you can't hold the game development studio responsible for.

Acxtually it has happened alot, they create new accounts and such and then attempt to gain your trust. The barrier being they must create more than one account to do so, which takes time and effort. Changing names does not.
 

Considering guilds are the core of their player base, they should take compromising guilds into consideration when making these changes.

They also should take into consideration  that one of the core features in an mmorpg community is " reputation" and how are you supposed to know who is reputable and who is not if they can just simply change their name?

They should be able to create a new account, but NO NAME CHANGES.  That way they have to start over from scratch if they built a poor reputation for themselves. That is noones fault but their own.

Name changing punishes the core player base, long term players, not the people causing problems.

 

Keeping clear of passwords is your guilds responsibility, not anybody elses. If an enemy guild is trying to hack your guild forum, they can simply send somebody to join your guild to get the password. Sure that same person won't be able to do that twice but they could just simply send another person. It does still require effort because name changes aren't free. They cost money.

You're pretending as if it's a widespread problem when you're really talking about a very, very, very small amount of people that are abusing it, and saying to completely remove the feature just because a guild can't keep its password secret isn't a good argument imo.

Why should other players be punished because some kid wants to change their name? That is complete crap that only a very small percentage of people would use it to clear their reputation. That would be the number one reason people use it. 
 

I don't have a problem with name-changing services.

One addendum; I don't think that someone should be allowed to use them if their account has ever been flagged for anti-social behaviour such as harassment, abusiveness, scamming, hatemongering, etc.

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Slaynn

It's the internet.  If someone is stalking you there usually is an amazing ability to turn them off.  If they come after you under a different name you can turn them off too.

 

If you have a rash of stalkers then I would seriously consider looking at your own behavior.  The female gamers that I play with have zero issues with that kind of stuff because they do not allow themselves to be a target or when someone is actually severely offensive they 'turn them off' (ignore, report etc.).

 

In the rare case that someone is seriously stalking someone else and they find work arounds to the tools given to you I'm sure a phone call or two to the service provider can fix that.   I dislike the fact that people can change their names also but I disagree with using stalking as an excuse.  I would prefer the option to not change your name because of the fact that people can be assholes or ninja looters and get away with it.

Guild leaders do not up and change their names.. you must be thinking of mmorpgs as single player games.  we are not talking about one person here. The guild works as a unit, not just individuals.  No phone calls to service providers do not stop  stalkers, obviously you have never been stalked. The police do not even stop stalkers. It is up to the girl to handle it , that is just our tough luck.
 

stalking is the SAME as being ninja looters .. at least to girls. It is just as important to us as them being a scum bag scammer.

I wasn't talking about guilds.  If you are referring to the real world then I would agree with you that the target of a stalker has to be able to help themselves.  As far as in game though, the whole thing is moot when the person who you claim is stalking you is turned off.  I would love to be able to turn people off in the real world.  The ability to have nothing they do affect you would be excellent.

If you are able to 'handle' someone supposedly stalking you then why worry if they can do it as Ted instead of Steve?  The result would be the same.  Your argument really does not hold any weight at all.  I see zero reason to stop someone who is innocently changing a chracters name because of some silly notion that people are stalking you.

Originally posted by deviliscious

the solution is NO name changes, if they want to change their name for cosmetic reasons later they are free to create a new account, as they always have. just put a warning on their account when they create their character. simple as that. That way they know  they are going to have to live with whatever they decide.

 Why punish the other players for a mistake some kid made?

 

It isnt easy to just restart several years of work in some games... in games with only one character that plays several classes this is just a game killer for those people that end up not liking their name in later years.  Now it is easy to restart in games where you can have multiple characters which only play one class each.

You seem pretty bitter about this though, i'm sorry =/ it isn't right for people to be rude to others and get away with it. I am no way in support these types of gamers, I just don't want to punish others that want the changed name legitimately because of it.

The easier way is to generate a unique ID number when a new user joins. This unique ID is then used to track that player through the game system and cannot be changed. When you request to block xxSephirothxx, you are in fact blocking user #0380085 via their ID number.

We use a similar system in DarkSpace, and it works well for both us and the user base.

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

This can be fixed very easily by having the ignore or block list change along with the name.

That isn;t a solution at all. Then I have them iggied, cant see what they are saying. They could be standing next to me being recruited for my guild, scamming my best friend and i wouldn;t see any of it happen.
 

Players should be held accountable in game by their peers for their actions.  How can you put a bounty on someone without having their name stay the same? There is no real arguement for the need for name change. It ruins gameplay.

 

What exactly is the problem here?

Is it you being stalked by them or getting harassed? Because you seem to have conflicting interest. first you want them to stop stalking you, I'm not sure how you plan to do that if you're not willing to put them on your ignore list, Now you want to know what they are saying about you. If they are saying bad things, what does it matter if you know them who you are?

Also, scamming your best friend? That's a pretty hard thing to do these days as making a trade requires both parties to accept the deal.

I make them stop stalking me by killing them, everyone kills them. They  enter any type of pvp zone,  they get creamed. You blacklist their name, put bounties on their head and post exactly what the y are being blacklisted for.
 

They then cannot be recruited by legitmate guilds, they are barred from trade, they are basically ran out of town until they are removed from the list and redeem themselves.

You must be an " in game player" most people I hang with are " in and out of game players". This requires reputation word of mouth references in order to  build the trust to allow them to be in your messenger, vent, TS be given passwords to log in to guild forums, ect..

The ability to cloak their identity compromises not only the guild systems, it compromises your personal security if they turn out to be some repeat keylogger.

 

Well you can only kill them in games that allow FFA PVP and that number is decreasing pretty fast, especially in modern mmorpgs as Faction vs Faction seems to be the new norm.

Why would it matter if he changes his name? Obviously if he stalks you you'll notice it pretty quickly regardless of his name.

Technically a person could do something bad and then simply change his name. Will this happen sometime? Sure. Does it happen often enough to justify completely removal of name change? Probably not.
I don't know of any game that lets you change your name for free.

About guild forums and such, those are all out of game things which you can't hold the game development studio responsible for.

Acxtually it has happened alot, they create new accounts and such and then attempt to gain your trust. The barrier being they must create more than one account to do so, which takes time and effort. Changing names does not.
 

Considering guilds are the core of their player base, they should take compromising guilds into consideration when making these changes.

They also should take into consideration  that one of the core features in an mmorpg community is " reputation" and how are you supposed to know who is reputable and who is not if they can just simply change their name?

They should be able to create a new account, but NO NAME CHANGES.  That way they have to start over from scratch if they built a poor reputation for themselves. That is noones fault but their own.

Name changing punishes the core player base, long term players, not the people causing problems.

 

Keeping clear of passwords is your guilds responsibility, not anybody elses. If an enemy guild is trying to hack your guild forum, they can simply send somebody to join your guild to get the password. Sure that same person won't be able to do that twice but they could just simply send another person. It does still require effort because name changes aren't free. They cost money.

You're pretending as if it's a widespread problem when you're really talking about a very, very, very small amount of people that are abusing it, and saying to completely remove the feature just because a guild can't keep its password secret isn't a good argument imo.

Why should other players be punished because some kid wants to change their name? That is complete crap that only a very small percentage of people would use it to clear their reputation. That would be the number one reason people use it. 
 

I can turn that around and say why other players should be punished just because a guild can't keep its passwords safe for out of game things like forums and teamspeak?

I doubt that a lot of people would change their name everytime they do something bad because the cost can run up pretty fast.
the number one reason people change names is probably because they want a new identity.

Hey, I know a great way to get this changed. To make it so all MMOs don't allow name changes anymore.

The solution is to come to mmorpg.com and whine about it. Seriously, it works wonders. Whine about it enough and I can assure you that it will be changed.

Originally posted by Slaynn

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Slaynn

It's the internet.  If someone is stalking you there usually is an amazing ability to turn them off.  If they come after you under a different name you can turn them off too.

 

If you have a rash of stalkers then I would seriously consider looking at your own behavior.  The female gamers that I play with have zero issues with that kind of stuff because they do not allow themselves to be a target or when someone is actually severely offensive they 'turn them off' (ignore, report etc.).

 

In the rare case that someone is seriously stalking someone else and they find work arounds to the tools given to you I'm sure a phone call or two to the service provider can fix that.   I dislike the fact that people can change their names also but I disagree with using stalking as an excuse.  I would prefer the option to not change your name because of the fact that people can be assholes or ninja looters and get away with it.

Guild leaders do not up and change their names.. you must be thinking of mmorpgs as single player games.  we are not talking about one person here. The guild works as a unit, not just individuals.  No phone calls to service providers do not stop  stalkers, obviously you have never been stalked. The police do not even stop stalkers. It is up to the girl to handle it , that is just our tough luck.
 

stalking is the SAME as being ninja looters .. at least to girls. It is just as important to us as them being a scum bag scammer.

 

I wasn't talking about guilds.  If you are referring to the real world then I would agree with you that the target of a stalker has to be able to help themselves.  As far as in game though, the whole thing is moot when the person who you claim is stalking you is turned off.  I would love to be able to turn people off in the real world.  The ability to have nothing they do affect you would be excellent.

If you are able to 'handle' someone supposedly stalking you then why worry if they can do it as Ted instead of Steve?  The result would be the same.  Your argument really does not hold any weight at all.  I see zero reason to stop someone who is innocently changing a chracters name because of some silly notion that people are stalking you.

I have had a guy from a  game driving by my house... There is only one world to me, that is the real world. In game out of game doesn;t matter. I want to know who I am dealing with.
 

The thing is they do not start getting creepy until long after you are in contact with them. They often try to befriend you first, then get all creepy later. How am I supposed to know it is steve or ted if they changed their name to betty?

 Silly notion?! lol I have even been stalked on here .. a few times. Had to get Adim involved .. there are more crazy people out there than you realize.

Stalking is NOT the only issue however, it would completly screw up guilds, mercs and bounty hunters as well.

why should other players be punished for some kid not liking the name he chose? no one told them they had to name their character that.. nope, they chose it on their own. No ones fault but their own, but they want to make it everyone elses problem.

Originally posted by Rajen

Originally posted by deviliscious

the solution is NO name changes, if they want to change their name for cosmetic reasons later they are free to create a new account, as they always have. just put a warning on their account when they create their character. simple as that. That way they know  they are going to have to live with whatever they decide.

 Why punish the other players for a mistake some kid made?

 

 

It isnt easy to just restart several years of work in some games... in games with only one character that plays several classes this is just a game killer for those people that end up not liking their name in later years.  Now it is easy to restart in games where you can have multiple characters which only play one class each.

 

You seem pretty bitter about this though, i'm sorry =/ it isn't right for people to be rude to others and get away with it. I am no way in support these types of gamers, I just don't want to punish others that want the changed name legitimately because of it.

 

I am pissed about this tbh. I have had a guy from a game drive by my house. I have good reason to be. I didn;t give him my address.
 

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

This can be fixed very easily by having the ignore or block list change along with the name.

That isn;t a solution at all. Then I have them iggied, cant see what they are saying. They could be standing next to me being recruited for my guild, scamming my best friend and i wouldn;t see any of it happen.
 

Players should be held accountable in game by their peers for their actions.  How can you put a bounty on someone without having their name stay the same? There is no real arguement for the need for name change. It ruins gameplay.

 

What exactly is the problem here?

Is it you being stalked by them or getting harassed? Because you seem to have conflicting interest. first you want them to stop stalking you, I'm not sure how you plan to do that if you're not willing to put them on your ignore list, Now you want to know what they are saying about you. If they are saying bad things, what does it matter if you know them who you are?

Also, scamming your best friend? That's a pretty hard thing to do these days as making a trade requires both parties to accept the deal.

I make them stop stalking me by killing them, everyone kills them. They  enter any type of pvp zone,  they get creamed. You blacklist their name, put bounties on their head and post exactly what the y are being blacklisted for.
 

They then cannot be recruited by legitmate guilds, they are barred from trade, they are basically ran out of town until they are removed from the list and redeem themselves.

You must be an " in game player" most people I hang with are " in and out of game players". This requires reputation word of mouth references in order to  build the trust to allow them to be in your messenger, vent, TS be given passwords to log in to guild forums, ect..

The ability to cloak their identity compromises not only the guild systems, it compromises your personal security if they turn out to be some repeat keylogger.

 

Well you can only kill them in games that allow FFA PVP and that number is decreasing pretty fast, especially in modern mmorpgs as Faction vs Faction seems to be the new norm.

Why would it matter if he changes his name? Obviously if he stalks you you'll notice it pretty quickly regardless of his name.

Technically a person could do something bad and then simply change his name. Will this happen sometime? Sure. Does it happen often enough to justify completely removal of name change? Probably not.
I don't know of any game that lets you change your name for free.

About guild forums and such, those are all out of game things which you can't hold the game development studio responsible for.

Acxtually it has happened alot, they create new accounts and such and then attempt to gain your trust. The barrier being they must create more than one account to do so, which takes time and effort. Changing names does not.
 

Considering guilds are the core of their player base, they should take compromising guilds into consideration when making these changes.

They also should take into consideration  that one of the core features in an mmorpg community is " reputation" and how are you supposed to know who is reputable and who is not if they can just simply change their name?

They should be able to create a new account, but NO NAME CHANGES.  That way they have to start over from scratch if they built a poor reputation for themselves. That is noones fault but their own.

Name changing punishes the core player base, long term players, not the people causing problems.

 

Keeping clear of passwords is your guilds responsibility, not anybody elses. If an enemy guild is trying to hack your guild forum, they can simply send somebody to join your guild to get the password. Sure that same person won't be able to do that twice but they could just simply send another person. It does still require effort because name changes aren't free. They cost money.

You're pretending as if it's a widespread problem when you're really talking about a very, very, very small amount of people that are abusing it, and saying to completely remove the feature just because a guild can't keep its password secret isn't a good argument imo.

Why should other players be punished because some kid wants to change their name? That is complete crap that only a very small percentage of people would use it to clear their reputation. That would be the number one reason people use it. 
 

I can turn that around and say why other players should be punished just because a guild can't keep its passwords safe for out of game things like forums and teamspeak?

I doubt that a lot of people would change their name everytime they do something bad because the cost can run up pretty fast.
the number one reason people change names is probably because they want a new identity.

and what about bounties mercs and blacklists? they should all have to suffer because some kid didn;t like  his own decision?
 

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Rajen

Originally posted by deviliscious

the solution is NO name changes, if they want to change their name for cosmetic reasons later they are free to create a new account, as they always have. just put a warning on their account when they create their character. simple as that. That way they know  they are going to have to live with whatever they decide.

 Why punish the other players for a mistake some kid made?

 

 

It isnt easy to just restart several years of work in some games... in games with only one character that plays several classes this is just a game killer for those people that end up not liking their name in later years.  Now it is easy to restart in games where you can have multiple characters which only play one class each.

 

You seem pretty bitter about this though, i'm sorry =/ it isn't right for people to be rude to others and get away with it. I am no way in support these types of gamers, I just don't want to punish others that want the changed name legitimately because of it.

 

I am pissed about this tbh. I have had a guy from a game drive by my house. I have good reason to be. I didn;t give him my address.
 

Lol, and how is not allowing name changes gonna stop this? If this is happening call the police :)

Originally posted by majinant

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Rajen

Originally posted by deviliscious

the solution is NO name changes, if they want to change their name for cosmetic reasons later they are free to create a new account, as they always have. just put a warning on their account when they create their character. simple as that. That way they know  they are going to have to live with whatever they decide.

 Why punish the other players for a mistake some kid made?

 

 

It isnt easy to just restart several years of work in some games... in games with only one character that plays several classes this is just a game killer for those people that end up not liking their name in later years.  Now it is easy to restart in games where you can have multiple characters which only play one class each.

 

You seem pretty bitter about this though, i'm sorry =/ it isn't right for people to be rude to others and get away with it. I am no way in support these types of gamers, I just don't want to punish others that want the changed name legitimately because of it.

 

I am pissed about this tbh. I have had a guy from a game drive by my house. I have good reason to be. I didn;t give him my address.
 

 

Lol, and how is not allowing name changes gonna stop this? If this is happening call the police :)

I did!! That does not stop them from then changing their name in game and trying to befriend my friends to find out information about me again ..

 That freak would start pming anyone they saw me talking to ..
 

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Slaynn

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Slaynn

It's the internet.  If someone is stalking you there usually is an amazing ability to turn them off.  If they come after you under a different name you can turn them off too.

 

If you have a rash of stalkers then I would seriously consider looking at your own behavior.  The female gamers that I play with have zero issues with that kind of stuff because they do not allow themselves to be a target or when someone is actually severely offensive they 'turn them off' (ignore, report etc.).

 

In the rare case that someone is seriously stalking someone else and they find work arounds to the tools given to you I'm sure a phone call or two to the service provider can fix that.   I dislike the fact that people can change their names also but I disagree with using stalking as an excuse.  I would prefer the option to not change your name because of the fact that people can be assholes or ninja looters and get away with it.

Guild leaders do not up and change their names.. you must be thinking of mmorpgs as single player games.  we are not talking about one person here. The guild works as a unit, not just individuals.  No phone calls to service providers do not stop  stalkers, obviously you have never been stalked. The police do not even stop stalkers. It is up to the girl to handle it , that is just our tough luck.
 

stalking is the SAME as being ninja looters .. at least to girls. It is just as important to us as them being a scum bag scammer.

 

I wasn't talking about guilds.  If you are referring to the real world then I would agree with you that the target of a stalker has to be able to help themselves.  As far as in game though, the whole thing is moot when the person who you claim is stalking you is turned off.  I would love to be able to turn people off in the real world.  The ability to have nothing they do affect you would be excellent.

If you are able to 'handle' someone supposedly stalking you then why worry if they can do it as Ted instead of Steve?  The result would be the same.  Your argument really does not hold any weight at all.  I see zero reason to stop someone who is innocently changing a chracters name because of some silly notion that people are stalking you.

I have had a guy from a  game driving by my house... There is only one world to me, that is the real world. In game out of game doesn;t matter. I want to know who I am dealing with.
 

The thing is they do not start getting creepy until long after you are in contact with them. They often try to befriend you first, then get all creepy later. How am I supposed to know it is steve or ted if they changed their name to betty?

 Silly notion?! lol I have even been stalked on here .. a few times. Had to get Adim involved .. there are more crazy people out there than you realize.

Stalking is NOT the only issue however, it would completly screw up guilds, mercs and bounty hunters as well.

why should other players be punished for some kid not liking the name he chose? no one told them they had to name their character that.. nope, they chose it on their own. No ones fault but their own, but they want to make it everyone elses problem.

If you have had someone come by your house because of an in game relationship than I would like to refer you to my first post where I stated that maybe you should look at your own behavior. 

I am well aware of the crazy people that are out there.  I am a soldier and have been for 12 years.  I have seen several things that most would not believe one human could do to another.  I choose to not present myself as a target.  I can tell you from experience that when someone is looking for a victim they try and find the person that can be taken with the least amount of effort.

Why attack someone or a group of someones that look like they can handle themselves when you can jump on the poor innocent little girl in the corner that presents herself as a vulnerable easy target? 

Originally posted by Slaynn

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Slaynn

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Slaynn

It's the internet.  If someone is stalking you there usually is an amazing ability to turn them off.  If they come after you under a different name you can turn them off too.

 

If you have a rash of stalkers then I would seriously consider looking at your own behavior.  The female gamers that I play with have zero issues with that kind of stuff because they do not allow themselves to be a target or when someone is actually severely offensive they 'turn them off' (ignore, report etc.).

 

In the rare case that someone is seriously stalking someone else and they find work arounds to the tools given to you I'm sure a phone call or two to the service provider can fix that.   I dislike the fact that people can change their names also but I disagree with using stalking as an excuse.  I would prefer the option to not change your name because of the fact that people can be assholes or ninja looters and get away with it.

Guild leaders do not up and change their names.. you must be thinking of mmorpgs as single player games.  we are not talking about one person here. The guild works as a unit, not just individuals.  No phone calls to service providers do not stop  stalkers, obviously you have never been stalked. The police do not even stop stalkers. It is up to the girl to handle it , that is just our tough luck.
 

stalking is the SAME as being ninja looters .. at least to girls. It is just as important to us as them being a scum bag scammer.

 

I wasn't talking about guilds.  If you are referring to the real world then I would agree with you that the target of a stalker has to be able to help themselves.  As far as in game though, the whole thing is moot when the person who you claim is stalking you is turned off.  I would love to be able to turn people off in the real world.  The ability to have nothing they do affect you would be excellent.

If you are able to 'handle' someone supposedly stalking you then why worry if they can do it as Ted instead of Steve?  The result would be the same.  Your argument really does not hold any weight at all.  I see zero reason to stop someone who is innocently changing a chracters name because of some silly notion that people are stalking you.

I have had a guy from a  game driving by my house... There is only one world to me, that is the real world. In game out of game doesn;t matter. I want to know who I am dealing with.
 

The thing is they do not start getting creepy until long after you are in contact with them. They often try to befriend you first, then get all creepy later. How am I supposed to know it is steve or ted if they changed their name to betty?

 Silly notion?! lol I have even been stalked on here .. a few times. Had to get Adim involved .. there are more crazy people out there than you realize.

Stalking is NOT the only issue however, it would completly screw up guilds, mercs and bounty hunters as well.

why should other players be punished for some kid not liking the name he chose? no one told them they had to name their character that.. nope, they chose it on their own. No ones fault but their own, but they want to make it everyone elses problem.

 

If you have had someone come by your house because of an in game relationship than I would like to refer you to my first post where I stated that maybe you should look at your own behavior. 

I am well aware of the crazy people that are out there.  I am a soldier and have been for 12 years.  I have seen several things that most would not believe one human could do to another.  I choose to not present myself as a target.  I can tell you from experience that when someone is looking for a victim they try and find the person that can be taken with the least amount of effort.

Why attack someone or a group of someones that look like they can handle themselves when you can jump on the poor innocent little girl in the corner that presents herself as a vulnerable easy target? 

WOA WOA WOA>> you are so far off vase there .. You have no idea. I NEVER had a relationship with this dude.  Nope, did not give him my address. HE befriended OTHER people to get this information about me. HE saw my pics from a party I attended that were posted on a guild site and targeted me.

ARE you seriously blaming girls for being stalked? 

 I never even had this guy added to my friends list...
 

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Slaynn

 

If you have had someone come by your house because of an in game relationship than I would like to refer you to my first post where I stated that maybe you should look at your own behavior. 

I am well aware of the crazy people that are out there.  I am a soldier and have been for 12 years.  I have seen several things that most would not believe one human could do to another.  I choose to not present myself as a target.  I can tell you from experience that when someone is looking for a victim they try and find the person that can be taken with the least amount of effort.

Why attack someone or a group of someones that look like they can handle themselves when you can jump on the poor innocent little girl in the corner that presents herself as a vulnerable easy target? 

WOA WOA WOA>> you are so far off vase there .. You have no idea. I NEVER had a relationship with this dude.  Nope, did not give him my address. HE befriended OTHER people to get this information about me. HE saw my pics from a party I attended that were posted on a guild site and targeted me.
 

So you are basing your entire argument off of one crazy guy that would have found you regardless if he could change his name in game or not?

Originally posted by Slaynn

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Slaynn

 

If you have had someone come by your house because of an in game relationship than I would like to refer you to my first post where I stated that maybe you should look at your own behavior. 

I am well aware of the crazy people that are out there.  I am a soldier and have been for 12 years.  I have seen several things that most would not believe one human could do to another.  I choose to not present myself as a target.  I can tell you from experience that when someone is looking for a victim they try and find the person that can be taken with the least amount of effort.

Why attack someone or a group of someones that look like they can handle themselves when you can jump on the poor innocent little girl in the corner that presents herself as a vulnerable easy target? 

WOA WOA WOA>> you are so far off vase there .. You have no idea. I NEVER had a relationship with this dude.  Nope, did not give him my address. HE befriended OTHER people to get this information about me. HE saw my pics from a party I attended that were posted on a guild site and targeted me.
 

 

So you are basing your entire argument off of one crazy guy that would have found you regardless if he could change his name in game or not?

Hell no, I have been stalked by more than One crazy guy.  Even on here it got insane. You have no idea what a girl goes through in the gaming world. LOL
 

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Slaynn

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Slaynn

 

If you have had someone come by your house because of an in game relationship than I would like to refer you to my first post where I stated that maybe you should look at your own behavior. 

I am well aware of the crazy people that are out there.  I am a soldier and have been for 12 years.  I have seen several things that most would not believe one human could do to another.  I choose to not present myself as a target.  I can tell you from experience that when someone is looking for a victim they try and find the person that can be taken with the least amount of effort.

Why attack someone or a group of someones that look like they can handle themselves when you can jump on the poor innocent little girl in the corner that presents herself as a vulnerable easy target? 

WOA WOA WOA>> you are so far off vase there .. You have no idea. I NEVER had a relationship with this dude.  Nope, did not give him my address. HE befriended OTHER people to get this information about me. HE saw my pics from a party I attended that were posted on a guild site and targeted me.
 

 

So you are basing your entire argument off of one crazy guy that would have found you regardless if he could change his name in game or not?

Hell no, I have been stalked by more than One crazy guy.  Even on here it got insane. You have no idea what a girl goes through in the gaming world. LOL
 

I think I do.  My wife has been gaming with me for 10 years.  When the occasional wierdo rears his or her ugly head she cuts ties with him or her and that is the end of the story.  I find it fascinating that you seem to have all these stalkers but refuse to stop and reevaluate how you are acting.  Have you ever considered that it may be something that you are doing to attract them?

Originally posted by Slaynn

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Slaynn

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Slaynn

 

If you have had someone come by your house because of an in game relationship than I would like to refer you to my first post where I stated that maybe you should look at your own behavior. 

I am well aware of the crazy people that are out there.  I am a soldier and have been for 12 years.  I have seen several things that most would not believe one human could do to another.  I choose to not present myself as a target.  I can tell you from experience that when someone is looking for a victim they try and find the person that can be taken with the least amount of effort.

Why attack someone or a group of someones that look like they can handle themselves when you can jump on the poor innocent little girl in the corner that presents herself as a vulnerable easy target? 

WOA WOA WOA>> you are so far off vase there .. You have no idea. I NEVER had a relationship with this dude.  Nope, did not give him my address. HE befriended OTHER people to get this information about me. HE saw my pics from a party I attended that were posted on a guild site and targeted me.
 

 

So you are basing your entire argument off of one crazy guy that would have found you regardless if he could change his name in game or not?

Hell no, I have been stalked by more than One crazy guy.  Even on here it got insane. You have no idea what a girl goes through in the gaming world. LOL
 

 

I think I do.  My wife has been gaming with me for 10 years.  When the occasional wierdo rears his or her ugly head she cuts ties with him or her and that is the end of the story.  I find it fascinating that you seem to have all these stalkers but refuse to stop and reevaluate how you are acting.  Have you ever considered that it may be something that you are doing to attract them?

When you are well known in games, in a very large guild, and have friends in and out of game.. it  makes you more of a target than just playing a game. When you are involved with large gaming communities the more popular a player you are, the more you are targeted.
 

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

This can be fixed very easily by having the ignore or block list change along with the name.

That isn;t a solution at all. Then I have them iggied, cant see what they are saying. They could be standing next to me being recruited for my guild, scamming my best friend and i wouldn;t see any of it happen.
 

Players should be held accountable in game by their peers for their actions.  How can you put a bounty on someone without having their name stay the same? There is no real arguement for the need for name change. It ruins gameplay.

 

What exactly is the problem here?

Is it you being stalked by them or getting harassed? Because you seem to have conflicting interest. first you want them to stop stalking you, I'm not sure how you plan to do that if you're not willing to put them on your ignore list, Now you want to know what they are saying about you. If they are saying bad things, what does it matter if you know them who you are?

Also, scamming your best friend? That's a pretty hard thing to do these days as making a trade requires both parties to accept the deal.

I make them stop stalking me by killing them, everyone kills them. They  enter any type of pvp zone,  they get creamed. You blacklist their name, put bounties on their head and post exactly what the y are being blacklisted for.
 

They then cannot be recruited by legitmate guilds, they are barred from trade, they are basically ran out of town until they are removed from the list and redeem themselves.

You must be an " in game player" most people I hang with are " in and out of game players". This requires reputation word of mouth references in order to  build the trust to allow them to be in your messenger, vent, TS be given passwords to log in to guild forums, ect..

The ability to cloak their identity compromises not only the guild systems, it compromises your personal security if they turn out to be some repeat keylogger.

 

Well you can only kill them in games that allow FFA PVP and that number is decreasing pretty fast, especially in modern mmorpgs as Faction vs Faction seems to be the new norm.

Why would it matter if he changes his name? Obviously if he stalks you you'll notice it pretty quickly regardless of his name.

Technically a person could do something bad and then simply change his name. Will this happen sometime? Sure. Does it happen often enough to justify completely removal of name change? Probably not.
I don't know of any game that lets you change your name for free.

About guild forums and such, those are all out of game things which you can't hold the game development studio responsible for.

Acxtually it has happened alot, they create new accounts and such and then attempt to gain your trust. The barrier being they must create more than one account to do so, which takes time and effort. Changing names does not.
 

Considering guilds are the core of their player base, they should take compromising guilds into consideration when making these changes.

They also should take into consideration  that one of the core features in an mmorpg community is " reputation" and how are you supposed to know who is reputable and who is not if they can just simply change their name?

They should be able to create a new account, but NO NAME CHANGES.  That way they have to start over from scratch if they built a poor reputation for themselves. That is noones fault but their own.

Name changing punishes the core player base, long term players, not the people causing problems.

 

Keeping clear of passwords is your guilds responsibility, not anybody elses. If an enemy guild is trying to hack your guild forum, they can simply send somebody to join your guild to get the password. Sure that same person won't be able to do that twice but they could just simply send another person. It does still require effort because name changes aren't free. They cost money.

You're pretending as if it's a widespread problem when you're really talking about a very, very, very small amount of people that are abusing it, and saying to completely remove the feature just because a guild can't keep its password secret isn't a good argument imo.

Why should other players be punished because some kid wants to change their name? That is complete crap that only a very small percentage of people would use it to clear their reputation. That would be the number one reason people use it. 
 

I can turn that around and say why other players should be punished just because a guild can't keep its passwords safe for out of game things like forums and teamspeak?

I doubt that a lot of people would change their name everytime they do something bad because the cost can run up pretty fast.
the number one reason people change names is probably because they want a new identity.

and what about bounties mercs and blacklists? they should all have to suffer because some kid didn;t like  his own decision?
 

Bounties is one point but seriously, how often are bounties actually used in mmorpgs? Almost never. If a person wants another player killed, they usually ask their guild to do it if they can't do it themselves.

Blacklists can simply be fixed by putting that people on ignore.It's not like there is a big amount of players that are constantly paying to change their names over and over again.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

This can be fixed very easily by having the ignore or block list change along with the name.

That isn;t a solution at all. Then I have them iggied, cant see what they are saying. They could be standing next to me being recruited for my guild, scamming my best friend and i wouldn;t see any of it happen.
 

Players should be held accountable in game by their peers for their actions.  How can you put a bounty on someone without having their name stay the same? There is no real arguement for the need for name change. It ruins gameplay.

 

What exactly is the problem here?

Is it you being stalked by them or getting harassed? Because you seem to have conflicting interest. first you want them to stop stalking you, I'm not sure how you plan to do that if you're not willing to put them on your ignore list, Now you want to know what they are saying about you. If they are saying bad things, what does it matter if you know them who you are?

Also, scamming your best friend? That's a pretty hard thing to do these days as making a trade requires both parties to accept the deal.

I make them stop stalking me by killing them, everyone kills them. They  enter any type of pvp zone,  they get creamed. You blacklist their name, put bounties on their head and post exactly what the y are being blacklisted for.
 

They then cannot be recruited by legitmate guilds, they are barred from trade, they are basically ran out of town until they are removed from the list and redeem themselves.

You must be an " in game player" most people I hang with are " in and out of game players". This requires reputation word of mouth references in order to  build the trust to allow them to be in your messenger, vent, TS be given passwords to log in to guild forums, ect..

The ability to cloak their identity compromises not only the guild systems, it compromises your personal security if they turn out to be some repeat keylogger.

 

Well you can only kill them in games that allow FFA PVP and that number is decreasing pretty fast, especially in modern mmorpgs as Faction vs Faction seems to be the new norm.

Why would it matter if he changes his name? Obviously if he stalks you you'll notice it pretty quickly regardless of his name.

Technically a person could do something bad and then simply change his name. Will this happen sometime? Sure. Does it happen often enough to justify completely removal of name change? Probably not.
I don't know of any game that lets you change your name for free.

About guild forums and such, those are all out of game things which you can't hold the game development studio responsible for.

Acxtually it has happened alot, they create new accounts and such and then attempt to gain your trust. The barrier being they must create more than one account to do so, which takes time and effort. Changing names does not.
 

Considering guilds are the core of their player base, they should take compromising guilds into consideration when making these changes.

They also should take into consideration  that one of the core features in an mmorpg community is " reputation" and how are you supposed to know who is reputable and who is not if they can just simply change their name?

They should be able to create a new account, but NO NAME CHANGES.  That way they have to start over from scratch if they built a poor reputation for themselves. That is noones fault but their own.

Name changing punishes the core player base, long term players, not the people causing problems.

 

Keeping clear of passwords is your guilds responsibility, not anybody elses. If an enemy guild is trying to hack your guild forum, they can simply send somebody to join your guild to get the password. Sure that same person won't be able to do that twice but they could just simply send another person. It does still require effort because name changes aren't free. They cost money.

You're pretending as if it's a widespread problem when you're really talking about a very, very, very small amount of people that are abusing it, and saying to completely remove the feature just because a guild can't keep its password secret isn't a good argument imo.

Why should other players be punished because some kid wants to change their name? That is complete crap that only a very small percentage of people would use it to clear their reputation. That would be the number one reason people use it. 
 

I can turn that around and say why other players should be punished just because a guild can't keep its passwords safe for out of game things like forums and teamspeak?

I doubt that a lot of people would change their name everytime they do something bad because the cost can run up pretty fast.
the number one reason people change names is probably because they want a new identity.

and what about bounties mercs and blacklists? they should all have to suffer because some kid didn;t like  his own decision?
 

 

Bounties is one point but seriously, how often are bounties actually used in mmorpgs? Almost never. If a person wants another player killed, they usually ask their guild to do it if they can't do it themselves.

Blacklists can simply be fixed by putting that people on ignore.It's not like there is a big amount of players that are constantly paying to change their names over and over again.

They are frequently used in mmorpgs, I guess you have never been a merc. 
 

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Gameloading

This can be fixed very easily by having the ignore or block list change along with the name.

That isn;t a solution at all. Then I have them iggied, cant see what they are saying. They could be standing next to me being recruited for my guild, scamming my best friend and i wouldn;t see any of it happen.
 

Players should be held accountable in game by their peers for their actions.  How can you put a bounty on someone without having their name stay the same? There is no real arguement for the need for name change. It ruins gameplay.

 

What exactly is the problem here?

Is it you being stalked by them or getting harassed? Because you seem to have conflicting interest. first you want them to stop stalking you, I'm not sure how you plan to do that if you're not willing to put them on your ignore list, Now you want to know what they are saying about you. If they are saying bad things, what does it matter if you know them who you are?

Also, scamming your best friend? That's a pretty hard thing to do these days as making a trade requires both parties to accept the deal.

I make them stop stalking me by killing them, everyone kills them. They  enter any type of pvp zone,  they get creamed. You blacklist their name, put bounties on their head and post exactly what the y are being blacklisted for.
 

They then cannot be recruited by legitmate guilds, they are barred from trade, they are basically ran out of town until they are removed from the list and redeem themselves.

You must be an " in game player" most people I hang with are " in and out of game players". This requires reputation word of mouth references in order to  build the trust to allow them to be in your messenger, vent, TS be given passwords to log in to guild forums, ect..

The ability to cloak their identity compromises not only the guild systems, it compromises your personal security if they turn out to be some repeat keylogger.

 

Well you can only kill them in games that allow FFA PVP and that number is decreasing pretty fast, especially in modern mmorpgs as Faction vs Faction seems to be the new norm.

Why would it matter if he changes his name? Obviously if he stalks you you'll notice it pretty quickly regardless of his name.

Technically a person could do something bad and then simply change his name. Will this happen sometime? Sure. Does it happen often enough to justify completely removal of name change? Probably not.
I don't know of any game that lets you change your name for free.

About guild forums and such, those are all out of game things which you can't hold the game development studio responsible for.

Acxtually it has happened alot, they create new accounts and such and then attempt to gain your trust. The barrier being they must create more than one account to do so, which takes time and effort. Changing names does not.
 

Considering guilds are the core of their player base, they should take compromising guilds into consideration when making these changes.

They also should take into consideration  that one of the core features in an mmorpg community is " reputation" and how are you supposed to know who is reputable and who is not if they can just simply change their name?

They should be able to create a new account, but NO NAME CHANGES.  That way they have to start over from scratch if they built a poor reputation for themselves. That is noones fault but their own.

Name changing punishes the core player base, long term players, not the people causing problems.

 

Keeping clear of passwords is your guilds responsibility, not anybody elses. If an enemy guild is trying to hack your guild forum, they can simply send somebody to join your guild to get the password. Sure that same person won't be able to do that twice but they could just simply send another person. It does still require effort because name changes aren't free. They cost money.

You're pretending as if it's a widespread problem when you're really talking about a very, very, very small amount of people that are abusing it, and saying to completely remove the feature just because a guild can't keep its password secret isn't a good argument imo.

Why should other players be punished because some kid wants to change their name? That is complete crap that only a very small percentage of people would use it to clear their reputation. That would be the number one reason people use it. 
 

I can turn that around and say why other players should be punished just because a guild can't keep its passwords safe for out of game things like forums and teamspeak?

I doubt that a lot of people would change their name everytime they do something bad because the cost can run up pretty fast.
the number one reason people change names is probably because they want a new identity.

and what about bounties mercs and blacklists? they should all have to suffer because some kid didn;t like  his own decision?
 

 

Bounties is one point but seriously, how often are bounties actually used in mmorpgs? Almost never. If a person wants another player killed, they usually ask their guild to do it if they can't do it themselves.

Blacklists can simply be fixed by putting that people on ignore.It's not like there is a big amount of players that are constantly paying to change their names over and over again.

They are frequently used in mmorpgs, I guess you have never been a merc. 
 

No they aren't. Very few mmorpg players take the game seriously enough to actually pay another person to hunt down another player to which the other player responds is going to actually pay 10$ or 20$ to avoid getting Playerkilled.