This is telling not about Chicago, but about the United States of America.  The American people have this attitude, oh, we are racist, so we will elect the black guy with a Muslim name and prove how multi-cultural we are.  Friends, it is the same Bush policies in the U.S. and abroad. 

Worse, however, is that you have self-described "conservatives" who think this diminishes Obama or Chicago.  It is about the United States of America, not Obama.  The U.S. citizen thought, "hey, we will send Obama, and we will be all saved."

People believe this stuff.   The weird thing is how Obama is being used.  First, as a way to "save" the Olympic bid.  Then, now, as a way to diminish Obama.  It is about YOU, not Obama (sorry).

For some, Obama was going to get the blame no matter what:

- Obama helps the bid for Chicago and it fails = Obama fault, he didn't do enough!!

- Obama helps the bid for Chicago and it succeeds = They only got it because of Obama!!!

- Obama does nothing to support the Chicago bid and they lose = Obama's fault he didn't help!!!

- Obama does nothing to support the Chicago bid and they win = Obama didn't show his patriotism to support us, he doesn't care about the country!!!

Congrats to Rio!!!  the parties ought to be kick ass!

Originally posted by BaronJuJu

For some, Obama was going to get the blame no matter what:

- Obama helps the bid for Chicago and it fails = Obama fault, he didn't do enough!!

- Obama helps the bid for Chicago and it succeeds = They only got it because of Obama!!!

- Obama does nothing to support the Chicago bid and they lose = Obama's fault he didn't help!!!

- Obama does nothing to support the Chicago bid and they win = Obama didn't show his patriotism to support us, he doesn't care about the country!!!

 

Congrats to Rio!!!  the parties ought to be kick ass!

It is like Obama is EVERYTHING (savior) for his supporters, but also EVERYTHING (anti-Christ) for his opponents. 

It is freaking weird and funny.  If you do not laugh, you cry.  And you will have some super naive Americans running around CELEBRATING this loss.  Yes.  Celebrating.  As they celebrating taking-away their rights and possibly bombing Iran.

It is hard to believe at this point.

I am just waiting for them to play the race card against Europe now.

Originally posted by declaredemer

It is like Obama is EVERYTHING (savior) for his supporters, but also EVERYTHING (anti-Christ) for his opponents. 

 It is freaking weird and funny.  If you do not laugh, you cry.  And you will have some super naive Americans running around CELEBRATING this loss.  Yes.  Celebrating.  As they celebrating taking-away their rights and possibly bombing Iran.

 It is hard to believe at this point.

yeah, I was about to come back and describe some of the comments I have been reading on the various news sites about the Americans cheering that Chicago didn't get it because they consider it a slap in the face to Obama.

Sad, but predictable anymore.

Originally posted by declaredemer

The American people have this attitude, oh, we are racist, so we will elect the black guy with a Muslim name and prove how multi-cultural we are.

So, we do not vote for Obama and we are racist. Now, those who voted for Obama are racist too?

More delusions it seems.

I just heard Senator Roland Burris blame the loss of the Olympics on George W. Bush.  Nice to see that the democrats are still trying to get political mileage out of a figure who is long gone.

The truth is that Chicago never really had a chance.  Rio was the heavy favorite and I don't think anything was going to prevent the IOC from voting for the Brazilian city.  If anything, I think the voters would have been more likely to be viewed as racist if they had not picked Rio.  The Olympics have never gone to a South American city before and another pass would have been heavily criticized.  President Obama wasted a lot of political capital for nothing.

To a country with our GDP it's mostly symbolic: Iran being reduced to smoldering rubble will be much more impressive.

Originally posted by Zindaihas

I just heard Senator Roland Burris blame the loss of the Olympics on George W. Bush.  Nice to see that the democrats are still trying to get political mileage out of a figure who is long gone.

The truth is that Chicago never really had a chance.  Rio was the heavy favorite and I don't think anything was going to prevent the IOC from voting for the Brazilian city.  If anything, I think the voters would have been more likely to be viewed as racist if they had not picked Rio.  The Olympics have never gone to a South American city before and another pass would have been heavily criticized.  President Obama wasted a lot of political capital for nothing.

Republican blame it on Obama, Dem's on Bush.

Both are retarded.

I agree with the assessment on Rio, did you see the voting results? Rio freakin blew everyone out of the water. i have to disagree on the political capital though, I don't think he wasted anything on it. I think if he didn't go to Copenhagen he would have after the announcement.

In my opinion he didn't gain or lose on this.

Originally posted by BaronJuJu

Republican blame it on Obama, Dem's on Bush.

Both are retarded.

I agree with the assessment on Rio, did you see the voting results? Rio freakin blew everyone out of the water. i have to disagree on the political capital though, I don't think he wasted anything on it. I think if he didn't go to Copenhagen he would have after the announcement.

In my opinion he didn't gain or lose on this.

Yeah I agree with you, its damned if you do; damned if you don't...   

All I've seen lately about Chicago is how you take your life into your hands just stepping out onto the street.  I know it's like that in almost every town, but Chicago seems to be much worse than the others.

I wouldn't want the Olympics there either if that is the case.

And honestly, I've never thought of Chicago as all that outstanding anyhow.  Some cities have endearing charm or some kind of positive characteristic personality to them.  Chicago just seems like a big city to me.  And that isn't anything to get really excited about.

Originally posted by gnomexxx

All I've seen lately about Chicago is how you take your life into your hands just stepping out onto the street.  I know it's like that in almost every town, but Chicago seems to be much worse than the others.

I wouldn't want the Olympics there either if that is the case.

And honestly, I've never thought of Chicago as all that outstanding anyhow.  Some cities have endearing charm or some kind of positive characteristic personality to them.  Chicago just seems like a big city to me.  And that isn't anything to get really excited about.

You only hear the negative.  Chicago is a huge huge city.  It's 234 square miles.  Parts of it is pretty dangerous, and other parts of it are safer than a locked padded room.

Hell Dallas has a higher violent crime rate than we do.  And we aren't even close to the most violent city in the country.  http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0921299.html

It's just political bias.  

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by gnomexxx

All I've seen lately about Chicago is how you take your life into your hands just stepping out onto the street.  I know it's like that in almost every town, but Chicago seems to be much worse than the others.

I wouldn't want the Olympics there either if that is the case.

And honestly, I've never thought of Chicago as all that outstanding anyhow.  Some cities have endearing charm or some kind of positive characteristic personality to them.  Chicago just seems like a big city to me.  And that isn't anything to get really excited about.

 

You only hear the negative.  Chicago is a huge huge city.  It's 234 square miles.  Parts of it is pretty dangerous, and other parts of it are safer than a locked padded room.

 

Hell Dallas has a higher violent crime rate than we do.  And we aren't even close to the most violent city in the country.  http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0921299.html

 

It's just political bias.  

 

This may have something to do with it.  Chicago has a higher crime rate than 90% of Illinois. Dallas or CHicago would be poor choices. Neither of them have the beautiful mountains or lower violent crime rate of saltlake city.

saltlakecity.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm

Both Dallas and chicago have about the same murder, robbery and assault rates.

Now compare Salt lake city, a city they did once choose:

saltlakecity.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm

Chicago towers over  Salt lake city with murder robbery and assault. 

If he had wanted the Olympics to be held in the US, he should have chose a more scenic location. Though I still say we can't afford  it right now.

America has beauty that would appeal to the world. such as Sedona Arizona:

and a below national average crime rate sedona.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm

Even if we could afford it right now, I do not think Chicago or Dallas would be ideal.

 Just look at rio, if we had wanted to compete we would have had to offer up Hawaii.

Rio:

Hawaii:

Just FYI, Rio's murder rate is double of Chicago. They are also listed at top of "murder committed by youths" out of 73 countries and #4 of 57 countries in the "murder committed by youths per capita" category. The US never scored higher in either .

Chicago would have been a fine spot for the Olympics, but from the voting count they pretty much had Rio set in stone. You could have offered up anything in the US and they still would have picked Rio, it didn't matter.

The notion that Chicago couldn't afford it is absurd.

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by gnomexxx

All I've seen lately about Chicago is how you take your life into your hands just stepping out onto the street.  I know it's like that in almost every town, but Chicago seems to be much worse than the others.

I wouldn't want the Olympics there either if that is the case.

And honestly, I've never thought of Chicago as all that outstanding anyhow.  Some cities have endearing charm or some kind of positive characteristic personality to them.  Chicago just seems like a big city to me.  And that isn't anything to get really excited about.

 

You only hear the negative.  Chicago is a huge huge city.  It's 234 square miles.  Parts of it is pretty dangerous, and other parts of it are safer than a locked padded room.

 

Hell Dallas has a higher violent crime rate than we do.  And we aren't even close to the most violent city in the country.  http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0921299.html

 

It's just political bias.  

 

This may have something to do with it.  Chicago has a higher crime rate than 90% of Illinois. Dallas or CHicago would be poor choices. Neither of them have the beautiful mountains or lower violent crime rate of saltlake city.

saltlakecity.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm

Both Dallas and chicago have about the same murder, robbery and assault rates.

Now compare Salt lake city, a city they did once choose:

saltlakecity.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm

Chicago towers over  Salt lake city with murder robbery and assault. 

If he had wanted the Olympics to be held in the US, he should have chose a more scenic location. Though I still say we can't afford  it right now.

He?  Who are you talking about?  Obama?

He had little to do with it.  He had to be begged to go and campaign for them.  He either didn't go, and pissed people off, or he goes and pisses other people off.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by gnomexxx

All I've seen lately about Chicago is how you take your life into your hands just stepping out onto the street.  I know it's like that in almost every town, but Chicago seems to be much worse than the others.

I wouldn't want the Olympics there either if that is the case.

And honestly, I've never thought of Chicago as all that outstanding anyhow.  Some cities have endearing charm or some kind of positive characteristic personality to them.  Chicago just seems like a big city to me.  And that isn't anything to get really excited about.

 

You only hear the negative.  Chicago is a huge huge city.  It's 234 square miles.  Parts of it is pretty dangerous, and other parts of it are safer than a locked padded room.

 

Hell Dallas has a higher violent crime rate than we do.  And we aren't even close to the most violent city in the country.  http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0921299.html

 

It's just political bias.  

 

This may have something to do with it.  Chicago has a higher crime rate than 90% of Illinois. Dallas or CHicago would be poor choices. Neither of them have the beautiful mountains or lower violent crime rate of saltlake city.

saltlakecity.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm

Both Dallas and chicago have about the same murder, robbery and assault rates.

Now compare Salt lake city, a city they did once choose:

saltlakecity.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm

Chicago towers over  Salt lake city with murder robbery and assault. 

If he had wanted the Olympics to be held in the US, he should have chose a more scenic location. Though I still say we can't afford  it right now.

 

He?  Who are you talking about?  Obama?

 

He had little to do with it.  He had to be begged to go and campaign for them.  He either didn't go, and pissed people off, or he goes and pisses other people off.

Thats Prity mutch what beeing the president has Become... Hell Its been that way for a long time. Every move pisses off someone.. we now got 24 hour news and Blogs to Fan the flame.

It wasn't exactly in his power to chose since they start the process pretty far in advance.

once again obama fails.

he failed to do anything with the ecomony and now we are going into the greater depression

he failed to keep nukes out of the hands of north korea and iran and now they have nukes and along with russia and china will start to war with everyone

he failed americans with this stupid heath reform idea when we don't need it as we don't have the money for it and now my kids and your kids will be living only to pay back china

obama has failed and now this shows it i can't wait for 2010 and 2012 when we vote all the lefties out of power and take back our nation real america is back my friends.

Originally posted by BaronJuJu

Just FYI, Rio's murder rate is double of Chicago. They are also listed at top of "murder committed by youths" out of 73 countries and #4 of 57 countries in the "murder committed by youths per capita" category. The US never scored higher in either .

Chicago would have been a fine spot for the Olympics, but from the voting count they pretty much had Rio set in stone. You could have offered up anything in the US and they still would have picked Rio, it didn't matter.

The notion that Chicago couldn't afford it is absurd.

Yea, I bet it was the scenery. Ii mean look at how beautiful that view is from Rio, We would have had to put up Hawaii to beat that.
 

Look at  it this way, where would you rather vacation? On a tropical Island Oasis or in a windy city?

The notion that Chicago can't afford it is not absurd, NO ONE in the US can afford it right now, our economy is still going down the shitter.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Originally posted by gnomexxx

All I've seen lately about Chicago is how you take your life into your hands just stepping out onto the street.  I know it's like that in almost every town, but Chicago seems to be much worse than the others.

I wouldn't want the Olympics there either if that is the case.

And honestly, I've never thought of Chicago as all that outstanding anyhow.  Some cities have endearing charm or some kind of positive characteristic personality to them.  Chicago just seems like a big city to me.  And that isn't anything to get really excited about.

 

You only hear the negative.  Chicago is a huge huge city.  It's 234 square miles.  Parts of it is pretty dangerous, and other parts of it are safer than a locked padded room.

 

Hell Dallas has a higher violent crime rate than we do.  And we aren't even close to the most violent city in the country.  http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0921299.html

 

It's just political bias.  

 

This may have something to do with it.  Chicago has a higher crime rate than 90% of Illinois. Dallas or CHicago would be poor choices. Neither of them have the beautiful mountains or lower violent crime rate of saltlake city.

saltlakecity.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm

Both Dallas and chicago have about the same murder, robbery and assault rates.

Now compare Salt lake city, a city they did once choose:

saltlakecity.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm

Chicago towers over  Salt lake city with murder robbery and assault. 

If he had wanted the Olympics to be held in the US, he should have chose a more scenic location. Though I still say we can't afford  it right now.

 

He?  Who are you talking about?  Obama?

 

He had little to do with it.  He had to be begged to go and campaign for them.  He either didn't go, and pissed people off, or he goes and pisses other people off.

He didn't choose Chicago? Does the Olympic comitee just randomly pick cities in countries, I am sure each country has to select a city and submit it. Why would none of our beautiful mountainous regions not have been on the list instead?  I mean it isn't like either Chicago or Dallas could compete with the views you get in Hawaii.. I mean c'mon we both know we don't have any of that  exotic island Oasis to offer up to go head on with Rio. LOL
 

Originally posted by deviliscious

Yea, I bet it was the scenery. Ii mean look at how beautiful that view is from Rio, We would have had to put up Hawaii to beat that.
 

Look at  it this way, where would you rather vacation? On a tropical Island Oasis or in a windy city?

The notion that Chicago can't afford it is not absurd, NO ONE in the US can afford it right now, our economy is still going down the shitter.

No, it was mostly the fact that the games have not been held in South America..ever.  I find it funny you say no one can afford stuff like,  this yet you sit in a city with THE most expensive football stadium ever built.

In the end it doesn't really matter, neither one of us will agree on the other opinions no matter what.

Originally posted by deviliscious

He didn't choose Chicago? Does the Olympic comitee just randomly pick cities in countries, I am sure each country has to select a city and submit it. Why would none of our beautiful mountainous regions not have been on the list instead?  I mean it isn't like either Chicago or Dallas could compete with the views you get in Hawaii.. I mean c'mon we both know we don't have any of that  exotic island Oasis to offer up to go head on with Rio. LOL

Jesus... H... Christ,

Will you at least ATTMEPT to become educated in items you are arguing?

Here, let me help you this time:

There are 203 National Olympic Committees (NOCs) representing not only nations, but commonwealths, geographical areas, protectorates, and territories as well. If a city wishes to host the Olympics, a formal proposal must be made through its respective NOC. Once the proposal has been received by the IOC, the city is placed on a list with other applicant cities.

Each applicant city receives an Olympics questionnaire from the IOC. The city must respond in writing to a variety of topics that range from their motivation in hosting the Olympics to what venues they intend to use for each event. Each city must also list what kinds of accommodations will be available, and what types of transportation will be provided for athletes and spectators.

Applications are reviewed by IOC members and external experts to determine each city’s potential to host the Olympics. After reading all of the questionnaires, the IOC selects a group of five cities that will continue on in the process. These semi-finalists are known as “candidate cities.”

Phase 2: Candidate Cities

Each of the five candidate cities has to respond to a new questionnaire about their plans to host the Olympics. The new questionnaire is over 250 pages long and covers such topics as media operations, marketing, and the structure and workings of the athlete’s Olympic Village. Once all of the completed questionnaires have been received, an Evaluation Commission within the IOC analyzes the detailed documents and visits each potential host city for four days.

Phase 3: The Selection

The Evaluation Commission prepares a report for the IOC listing its recommendations. It is made public one month before the final selection of an Olympics host city is made.

A meeting of the IOC general assembly takes place to make the final selection. The meeting must be held in a city that is not on the list of candidate cities.

Each active member of the IOC general assembly gets one vote to choose the new Olympics host city. Members who reside in a country that has a city on the final list cannot participate in the voting process as long as that city is in contention.

Originally posted by BaronJuJu

Originally posted by deviliscious

Yea, I bet it was the scenery. Ii mean look at how beautiful that view is from Rio, We would have had to put up Hawaii to beat that.
 

Look at  it this way, where would you rather vacation? On a tropical Island Oasis or in a windy city?

The notion that Chicago can't afford it is not absurd, NO ONE in the US can afford it right now, our economy is still going down the shitter.

 

No, it was mostly the fact that the games have not been held in South America..ever.  I find it funny you say no one can afford stuff like,  this yet you sit in a city with THE most expensive football stadium ever built.

In the end it doesn't really matter, neither one of us will agree on the other opinions no matter what.

Actually I sit in ROCKWALL TX, just east of Dallas. I did not vote for the stadium, and I am not paying for it. LOL
 

See that little square NEXT to Dallas:

Originally posted by BaronJuJu

Originally posted by deviliscious

He didn't choose Chicago? Does the Olympic comitee just randomly pick cities in countries, I am sure each country has to select a city and submit it. Why would none of our beautiful mountainous regions not have been on the list instead?  I mean it isn't like either Chicago or Dallas could compete with the views you get in Hawaii.. I mean c'mon we both know we don't have any of that  exotic island Oasis to offer up to go head on with Rio. LOL

Jesus... H... Christ,

Will you at least ATTMEPT to become educated in items you are arguing?

Here, let me help you this time:

There are 203 National Olympic Committees (NOCs) representing not only nations, but commonwealths, geographical areas, protectorates, and territories as well. If a city wishes to host the Olympics, a formal proposal must be made through its respective NOC. Once the proposal has been received by the IOC, the city is placed on a list with other applicant cities.

Each applicant city receives an Olympics questionnaire from the IOC. The city must respond in writing to a variety of topics that range from their motivation in hosting the Olympics to what venues they intend to use for each event. Each city must also list what kinds of accommodations will be available, and what types of transportation will be provided for athletes and spectators.

Applications are reviewed by IOC members and external experts to determine each city’s potential to host the Olympics. After reading all of the questionnaires, the IOC selects a group of five cities that will continue on in the process. These semi-finalists are known as “candidate cities.”

Phase 2: Candidate Cities

Each of the five candidate cities has to respond to a new questionnaire about their plans to host the Olympics. The new questionnaire is over 250 pages long and covers such topics as media operations, marketing, and the structure and workings of the athlete’s Olympic Village. Once all of the completed questionnaires have been received, an Evaluation Commission within the IOC analyzes the detailed documents and visits each potential host city for four days.

Phase 3: The Selection

The Evaluation Commission prepares a report for the IOC listing its recommendations. It is made public one month before the final selection of an Olympics host city is made.

A meeting of the IOC general assembly takes place to make the final selection. The meeting must be held in a city that is not on the list of candidate cities.

Each active member of the IOC general assembly gets one vote to choose the new Olympics host city. Members who reside in a country that has a city on the final list cannot participate in the voting process as long as that city is in contention.

I admit, I have never bothered reading up on how they select cities, It has never been an important issue to me. So yes, I am quite ignorant on this sujbect.

 SO basically Chicago applied, wrote up a bunch of good stuff about their city.  sent lobbyists, Obama endorsed and that is how they were in the lot to begin with?
 

You know .. why are we still talking about this? I mean seriously don;t we have more pressing issues such as healthcare, the economy, and  the war to worry about ?

 This whole discussion about where Olympics are held seem petty in comparision.

Had Chicago won it would have made 2 Olympics held in the US within 20 years, 3 within 32 years, South America (the entire fucking continent) has never held a games, ever..... how the fuck do you guys manage a 3 page political blame game debate about this given those facts?