I thought they had already mentioned once that they were looking at a subscription model with no monthly payments but having MT's. Anybody else remember this?

IMO MT's don't bother me at all as long as whatever is in the cash shop is attainable through playing the game.

Originally posted by MikeB

Some of the gumshoes in the Star Wars: The Old Republic community have dug up some interesting language in the Terms of Service agreement included with the application of the recently announced Game Testing program. The language present in the agreement may allude to the existence of an in-game shop aka microtransactions in The Old Republic.

Sections H-K of the Game Testing Terms & Conditions are the particularly curious sections of the agreement, making mention of "points" and a "Game store".

A screen cap of the aforementioned section of the agreement can be viewed below:

Section H states that "all points acquired during the Game program are non-refundable and have no monetary value".

In Section K, you'll find the agreement pretty explicitly mentions a "Game store".

Of course, BioWare has not officially announced anything along these lines, so while this evidence is certainly convincing it is by no means a direct confirmation that The Old Republic will indeed make use of microtransactions.

Via DarthHater.

Handled responsibly would you be willing to play Star Wars: The Old Republic with the inclusion of microtransactions, either as the sole method of payment or as a supplement/alternative to a paid subscription option? Let us know in the comments below!

No. But, thankfully what has been talked about as far as the the game goes by Vogel, Walton and the few other interviews they aren't making a MMO I'd want to invest time in anyway so I won't have to struggle with this dilemma.

Paying for items, in any way, means I will not be buying this game.

microtransactions don't belong in a game of this magnitude. How hard is it to come up with 15 bucks a month. Even a 10 year old can do that. Come on bioware, don't spend all of this time making a great game then ruin it with shady microtransactions.

Originally posted by Swoogie

If this game was F2P with microtransactions, and $40 to get the game, that would be awesome

^ My thoughts exactly.  If it's subscription + RMT then no, I won't so much as use a free trial if one is offered.

 A the game being a f2p with a cash shop would be the only way I would play the game at this point. It's essentially a co-op kotor with over the top star wars cliches. Sadly, I know they're going to try to milk the game both ways. Either way, I lost hope for this title a long time ago. Bioware needs to stick to making single player RPGs

Also, obviously, the MMO space continues to get bigger and bigger and more important. I think you’re going to be starting to see — there are already a few now in North America — full free-to-play MMOs with microtransactions coming down the pipe and stuff. So, lots and lots of exciting stuff there.” – Greg Zeschuk

That's not a gamer - or even a game designer talking - it's a business man. A suit. People like him shouldn't be designing games. Cash shops WILL alter the design.

Originally posted by Kordesh

 A the game being a f2p with a cash shop would be the only way I would play the game at this point. It's essentially a co-op kotor with over the top star wars cliches. Sadly, I know they're going to try to milk the game both ways. Either way, I lost hope for this title a long time ago. Bioware needs to stick to making single player RPGs

Come on, we know virtually nothing about the game atm! I will definitely give it a try, whatever the payment model is. I am no fan of MT and RMT, but I will try out the game, no matter what.

As much as I have followed this game, desperately wanting to play it.....

If you can pay money to aquire items/skills that benefit your character. I WILL NOT PLAY.

I repeat, I  WILL NOT PLAY. I have faith, that Bioware would not do such a silly thing. We gamers are NOT stupid, do not treat us like idiots. Turning this into a F2P format with a store will drive this game into the ground. DON'T BE GREEDY BIOWARE.

 If this game is great, which sadly, I don't think it will be, I would gladly pay more than $15 a month to keep it RMT free.  I'm not sure how many people would get behind say, a $19.99 sub, but if that would keep RMTs out, then I'm all for it!

It's clear that BioWare has quickly achieved a standard degree of greed and lack of vision despite their inexperience with MMOs.

As for 'players' supporting cash shops - well, it's unfortunate that you think so little of yourselves to accept the insulting sucker bait design.

Originally posted by neoterrar

I went to the dentist the other day. They cleaned my teeth and then offered a variety of extra services. I think if the extra services aren't part of the core game (ie, removing details and then selling then to you later) then I'm all for it.

That's wrong dude.What exactly do you mean core game?you are EXPECTING to buy the BEST effort a developer can give you.You should not be saying things like "it is ok to take parts of a game out and sell them to you later".That is exactly what Aion is doing and how Guild wars is done,they both have their sneaky ways to grind more money out of you.

Personally i hate microtransaction games,they are poorly designed and ONLY designed to rape more money out of you than an actual subscription would.This is because they do expect some kids that will not pay a cent or can't,so they expect the paying customers to make up the slack.There is NO such thing as EXTRAS in a game,if they designed them into the game ,they ARE part of the game,trying to charge you more money to get the COPMPLETE game is really a joke and developers like that should not be supported.

As a matter of fact,item mall games should NEVER cost more than a 15 dollar sub,if they offer bits of the game back to you that add up to more than a full subscription,they are criminals ripping you off.If they take out say 15 items from a game and offer them back at a dollar each,i am totally ok with that,it makes sense,but removing 50 parts and selling them back at 2 bucks each is crooked,because to get the whole game back as designed you would pay 100 bucks to play the entire game.This is actually what item mall games do,that's why they have a black mark amongst gamers,and rightfully so.

Originally posted by TookyG

 If this game is great, which sadly, I don't think it will be, I would gladly pay more than $15 a month to keep it RMT free.  I'm not sure how many people would get behind say, a $19.99 sub, but if that would keep RMTs out, then I'm all for it!

I would take no issue at all at paying more for a great game. $30, $45 per months would be fine IF it's a great game designed for its players, rather than its investors.

It's inevitable that games charging more per month will show up. It would be a good way to cover the cost of more niche designs (like survival horror). Just be clear and above board, devs. Don't manipulate and deceive us anymore.

Enough is enough, and the 'players' who defend this garbage are more to blame than the devs.

Depends on what these micro transactions are to be honest.  Champions Online has MTs and they don't affect the game whatsoever at this point, though this could change. As long as thegs MTs do not affect the game or shift balance of the game then I'm all for it, minor things like cosmetics and non combat pets would fit along these lines, in NO way, shape, or form should they implement something like most Korean MMOs where you get damage and exp boosters, weapons and armor, or powers and attacks if they do implement this, then I feel that this will only kill the game before it gets off the ground.

From what I have read and seen from LA and BW.   I think two things will be apart of this game, Sub so that everyone is one even ground when it comes to playing and PvP but we'll see a shop like Guild Wars where we buy new toon slots, player housing and things of that nature.  

But it makes no sense for BW to make a MT game if they want to compete with WoW like they said they did.  You would not make the profit or have the sales like WoW has.  This game will be popular either way, but if it is MT to play then it will never take on WoW.  Then again with it being a SW game you would still have a few million fans so it wouldn't be a failure like some of the other games that have come out.

Shit has hit the fan, I suppose...

A little bit of clarification would save them a lot of hassle in my opinion.

As long as its fluff and cosmetic options I have NO problem with it. As long and it does not allow people to pay their way to the top I dont see what the big deal is.

Originally posted by jmd10222

As long as its fluff and cosmetic options I have NO problem with it. As long and it does not allow people to pay their way to the top I dont see what the big deal is.

Two points:

1 - They will, eventually, offer game-changing items for sale. Novelty items won't generate enough sales for them.

2 - They will devote time and effort into the cash items that should be going into the core game.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by jmd10222

As long as its fluff and cosmetic options I have NO problem with it. As long and it does not allow people to pay their way to the top I dont see what the big deal is.

Two points:

1 - They will, eventually, offer game-changing items for sale. Novelty items won't generate enough sales for them.

2 - They will devote time and effort into the cash items that should be going into the core game.

Your a glass half-empty kind of guy aren't ya...

I would use the word realist, at least as far as RMT is concerned.

It will definitely be disappointing if they choose this monetary making method.

Right now I don't have much time for playing games. So as a consequence of that a part of me hopes they do implement imcrotransactions, because such mmorpgs are 100% dead for me personally ... thus sparing me the time managment conflicts arising from a new mmorpg. ^^

Originally posted by Sevey13

Originally posted by Swanea

Wow. They closed my thread, and created a "poll" about how you want to pay....

 

Yeah, yours is the third thread that was closed on the topic. The first was mine, pointing to the website that actually broke the story (www.holofeed.com) on the day Beta was actually announced, not a few days later when Darth Hater picked up the story from there. In fact, I'm a little confused...I submitted a link to the story on Holofeed on the 29th of September to mmorpg.com so they would find it, but they apparently decided to credit the story to someone else.

Funny how life works, eh?

I feel the need to refute as it seems to be the same person who posted this accusation on our website before this:

The article originally came from a comment we received a couple hours after the beta application came online from a commenter on our website named Eria. By the time the article went through the approval process and was posted it was 5:14pm EST on Sept 30th the next day. As for ’stealing info’ and 'not crediting', we credited the person who originally posted a comment about it on our website in the article, which also came earlier than the post you claim that 'actually broke the story' -

Note the time/date mark of the comment

eria said: 2009.09.30 00:38(Link to the comment)

Meaning it was posted on the 30th at 12:38AM Central, and the 29th at 11:38PM Eastern. Which is almost a full hour before the article you mention us ‘not crediting’ was posted (10:28 PM GMT-7 on the 29th or 12:28 AM GMT-5 Eastern on the 30th, according to their own website). They may have posted the article about it earlier than us but the original source, credited in the article, came almost a full hour before their post hit their page.

We also tried to see if there was any reference to it on forum before posting the article but due to the official website/forum being down there was no way of confirming an earlier source. We even made an attempt to check all the TOR related websites we knew of at the time to make sure the article was not posted at another source which may have not been credited by the commenter and found no one mentioning the subject talked about.

Oh well, I wasn't sure if I was interested in this game before this. Now I know I can cross it off my list.

I play EQ2 now so it is possible that I would play a game with micro transitions.

But we still know very little about things.

Will the game have a price to get, monthly pay and microtransitions? If it doesn't have a monthly fee I see no problem.

What are the things you buy? Servers moves, name changes and so on? RPG stuff like clothes that look good but without stats?

XP pots? The best gear in the game? Stuff for customizing your character?

Sorry, I can't really coment anything until I know more.

I know that I don't like RMt shops in a P2P MMO....

It's sad people never read much outside the first few posts, or the first page.

As was mentioned here and in the thread on the TOR forums, the poll they put on on the TOR forums allowed you to select ALL of the options.

It very well could be a DDO sort of setup.  A monthly fee for EVERYTHING, and includes the game points, used for various vanity things.  You get the entire game/content/races/classes, and can use the points on special looks and such.

Or you can play free, and buy adventure packs, items, weapons, armor, npcs, level icons (to level past every 4th level), with points.